Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #147
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Sat, 21 May 94 21:16:04 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #147, Volume #2                Sat, 21 May 94 21:16:04 EDT

Contents:
  PCI or VL bus SCSI Host Adapters (Bill Heiser)
  Wangdat 4mm dat drives on Linux (Michael K. Johnson)
  Re: GNU Manifesto and Lisp window system (Bernd Meyer)
  Re: URGENT: Linux Security Fixes (Rob Janssen)
  Re: BRIEF/vi Compatible GUI Text Editor (Robert Broughton)
  Re: BBS-development Team wanted (Peter Jones)
  Re: Linux www servers (was: Re: Linux in PC Week again (May 9th issue)) (The Last Gunslinger)
  Works under linux? (Rodrigo Botafogo)
  Re: Standard Linux GUI (Jinwoo Shin)
  Re: Standard Linux GUI (Ron Smits)
  Re: Learning C++ on Linux? (Shyamal Prasad)
  IN2000 controller under kernel 1.x? (daveco@ids.net)
  Re: Seeking Laser Printer Recommendations (Bogdan Urma)
  Re: Standard Linux GUI (Jonathan A Buzzard)
  Where is that hardware-compliance-with-Linux list? (Brad Block)
  Re: URGENT: Linux Security Fixes (Jeroen van Gennip)
  Re: 32-bit Novell desktop OS combines Unix, DOS 7 (Hamish Macdonald)

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
From: heiser@world.std.com (Bill Heiser)
Subject: PCI or VL bus SCSI Host Adapters
Date: Sat, 21 May 1994 22:15:23 GMT

Neither the hardware FAQ nor the kernel config stuff mentions
anything about support in LINUX for VL or PCI bus disk controllers.
I'm particularly concerned about ADAPTEC support.

Are there any plans to support these so we can use the
faster busses for SCSI support?

Bill

-- 
 Bill Heiser   heiser@world.std.com


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From: johnsonm@merengue.oit.unc.edu (Michael K. Johnson)
Subject: Wangdat 4mm dat drives on Linux
Date: 20 May 1994 01:26:15 GMT


I'm thinking very seriously about getting a Wangdat 4mm dat drive for
a Linux box.  I'm wondering if anyone out there is using one with
Linux, and if so,
1) Which controller are you using?  (this one comes with a FD-1680)
2) Do you have the 2gig or the 4gig drive?
3) What is your impression?

Also, anyone with impressions on the most recent FD-1680 boards?

Thanks!

michaelkjohnson

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From: umisef@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Bernd Meyer)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU Manifesto and Lisp window system
Date: 21 May 1994 22:27:27 GMT

Jym Dyer (jym@remarque.berkeley.edu) wrote:
: > A Lisp-based window system? Is that still happening?

: =o= Jeepers, haven't you heard of GWM?  (The "G" is for
: "Generic," not "GNU".)

Yeah, my window manager of choice - but then, the single piece of
software for linux that has given me the worst headache. Somewhere
hidden in its default initialization file is a line that tells it to
suppress xdvi's buttons. It was put there as an example of what can be
done, but it is mentioned nowhere else. I have spent hours trying to
find where the %$%^$^%$&* buttons were, I compiled several versions of
xdvi myself, I went through every single file xdvi referenced. I only
found it when I grepped through my whole harddisk for "xdvi", and
wondered what businnes gwm had with it.

If anybody is considering putting gwm into a linux distribution: Please
do us all a favor and change that line!!

Bernie

-- 
"And the band played 'Waltzing Mathilda' /  as we stopped to bury our slain;
And we buried ours / and the Turks buried theirs  | ..... living in Oz ....
And it started all over again"                    | 
(The Pogues, "Waltzing Matilda", orig by Eric Bogle, "And the band played WM")

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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: URGENT: Linux Security Fixes
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
Date: Sat, 21 May 1994 21:44:28 GMT

In <1994May20.231021.12439@gdsnl.gds.nl> jeroen@gdsnl.gds.nl (Jeroen van Gennip) writes:

>Rene COUGNENC (rene@renux.frmug.fr.net) wrote:
>: You might consider upgrading to the up to date libraries and development
>: tools, I think...

>Or you could do the following:

>cd /bin
>chmod 755 login
>mv login login.xxx
>gcc -o login login.c
>chmod 755 login
>chmod u+s login
>chown root login login.xxx
>chgrp root login login.xxx

>This is an alternative login thingy, call it login.c :
>Comments welcome. Works for me tho.


>#include <stdio.h>

>main (int cnt, char **vec) {
>       short   i,j;
>       char    c,d;
>       for (i=0;i<cnt;i++) {
>               if ((c=vec[i][0])!=' ') {
>                       d=vec[i][1];
>                       if (c=='-') {
>                               if ((d=='l')||(d=='f')) {
>                                       exit (1);
>                               }
>                       }
>               }
>       }
>       execve ("/bin/login.xxx",vec,0l);
>}

Poor solution, the leak still remains.
(I will leave it as an excercise to find how this program can be
bypassed.  it is easy.)

Rob
-- 
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| Rob Janssen                | AMPRnet:   rob@pe1chl.ampr.org           |
| e-mail: pe1chl@rabo.nl     | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8UTR.#UTR.NLD.EU     |
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From: Robert_Broughton@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Broughton)
Subject: Re: BRIEF/vi Compatible GUI Text Editor
Date: Sat, 21 May 94 15:53:50 -0700 (PDT)

Excuse me, but if we're going to have this flame war every time a
commercial product for Linux is announced (we already went over this for
Motif), please let me know now, so I can un-subscribe.
--
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

Robert Broughton    Robert_Broughton@mindlink.bc.ca

"We calm and reassure. We embrace people with the message that we're
all in it together. That our leaders are infallible and that there is
nothing, absolutely nothing wrong." - Miles Drentell, _thirtysomething_

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From: thanatos@drealm.drealm.org (Peter Jones)
Subject: Re: BBS-development Team wanted
Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 21:46:32 +0000

On Wed, 18 May 1994 16:40:30 GMT, ado@bigcomm.gun.de wrote (in article <ann-11164.769279214@cs.cornell.edu>):
> Hi,
> like me many people think that there still is no good bbs-program for Linux.
> There is ix/mbox, a good program, but it has a geonet interface and I 
> personally don't like it. There is also Uniboard, but there is no source-
> code available and so I won't install it. There are other bbs'es, but none of
> them is as powerful and comfortable as the known dos and os/2 bbs'es
> (My personal opinion). 

Have you seen drealm?  The current, PERL version is known to run on Linux.
(Takelap Systems, a UK Linux supplier, is running it.)

We are currently converting the code to POSIX-compliant C, which should
compile and run happily on Linux.  The new version is far more powerful than
the PERL version and has programmable menus.

On our system, every user has their own unix account.  (For a start, it
simplifies incoming e-mail...)

-- Peter

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From: roland@cac.washington.edu (The Last Gunslinger)
Subject: Re: Linux www servers (was: Re: Linux in PC Week again (May 9th issue))
Date: 20 May 1994 07:21:27 GMT

In article <Cpuuwr.2rr@denix.elk.miles.com>,
Dennis Flaherty <dennisf@denix.elk.miles.com> wrote:
>In article <CpuppI.2Eq@denix.elk.miles.com>,
>Dennis Flaherty <dennisf@denix.elk.miles.com> wrote:
>> In article <1994May15.032643.7024@cs.cornell.edu>,
>> Matt Welsh <mdw@cs.cornell.edu> wrote:
>> > In article <CprLyv.3Cy@denix.elk.miles.com> dennisf@denix.elk.miles.com (Dennis Flaherty) writes:
>> > >Wouldn't it be nice if some gopher server somewhere had the Linux FAQs
>> > >online?
>> > 
>> > Gopher at sunsite.unc.edu has all of the docs from /pub/Linux/docs.
>> > Just follow "Worlds of Sunsite" -> "Linux" -> "docs". 
>> 
>> Good.  I'll take a look at it.
>> 
>> Also, has anyone made a www page for Linux?  Complete with logos,
>> links to the newsgroups, distributions, FAQ lists, pictures of Linus,
>> and sound links of Linus saying "Hello, this is Leenus Tooolrvolds,
>> and I pronounce Leenux as Leenux."?
>
>Wooaah!  Just answered my own question.  SunSITE has an excellent www
>page at http://sunsite.unc.edu/, with a link to your Linux page at
>http://sunsite.unc.edu/mdw/mdw.html.  This page of yours has everything
>but FAQs!  It has the info-sheet, the meta-faq, the Doc Project's
>Manifesto, the software map, all of the HOWTO's (conveniently broken
>down into hierarchical indices), the Installation and Getting Started
>manual, links to other Linux www pages, ftp links, and even photographs
>of Linus and yes, sound bites of him saying "Hello, this is Leenus
>Tooolrvolds..."!

Check out the new Linux Organization web server at http://www.linux.org, 
it has all the hypertext HOWTO's, FAQ's, Linux Software Map searches, 
Online Man pagers, etc. 

- liem bahneman
(administrator of www.linux.org)

-- 
=======[roland@cac.washington.edu]=====[The Last Gunslinger]==================
Outside of a dog, computers are a man's best  | UCS Consulting
friend, inside a dog it's too dark to type.   | UW Ice Hockey 
http://topquark.cecer.army.mil/~roland/       | Linux/WWW/tcl/tk/LOTRmush

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From: botafogo@joke.cl.nec.co.jp (Rodrigo Botafogo)
Subject: Works under linux?
Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 01:16:34 GMT


I'm looking for a computer on which to run linux.  I've been reading
all the howto's, but the technology seems to go much faster than one
can write howto's.  I was offered the following:

Turbo 486Dx2-66 with full tower case
VESA local bus motherboard with 256K cache
3 VESA local bus slots, 4 ISA 16 bit slots
32 Mb RAM
1.44 and 1.2 Mb disketters
540 Mb Fujitsu Fast SCSI-2 HD
NEC TRIPLE  spin SCSI DCROM
Conner Tapestore DC-2000 250 Mb SCSI Tape Backup
US Robotics Sporstster 14.4 Kbaud fax/modem
viewsonic 17G 17" monitor (1280x1024, .28 dot pitch 60 Hz Refresh)
Cardex Cobra SVGA VLB Video Card (Tsend Labs ET400AX chipset, 1Mb VRAM)
Honeywell 101 Enhanced Kbd
Serial Mouse
                                all this for only  $ 4800

upgrade to 1.02 Gb Fujitsu Fast SCSI-2 HD    add   $ 250
upgrade to 2Mb VRAM for additional $100

The Conner Tapestore uses dc-2120 tape cartridges with QIC-80 format
(what the hell is that? :-)

Does linux run under this beast?  What about the 3x speed CD-ROM, any
problems there?  I'm trying to find out about the scsi controller, but
does the above have a good chance to work?

Thanks a lot for any info.  $5000 is a lot of money not to be able to
run linux and having to settle for less!


Rodrigo
--
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 botafogo@joke.cl.nec.co.jp 
 TEL 81-44-856-2363  FAX 81-44-856-2239
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From: jwshin@actuator.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (Jinwoo Shin)
Subject: Re: Standard Linux GUI
Date: 20 May 94 07:25:54 GMT

chrisb@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Chris Bitmead) writes:

>>The problem here is, there is really only one choice any more:  Motif.  :-(
>>We have to get some freely available Motif-clone widget set available for
>>Linux, because that's what everyone else has standardized/is standardizing on.

>I agree,  A cloned GPL Motif Widget set would be the best solution. 
>But how much effort would this be?  Is there an enthusiastic bunch of
>hackers in the Linux world that are willing to take up this challenge?

Simply cloning the "looks" for existing Motif widget is not enough. Xwm close
enough to "look" part, but it's not quite same in the "feel" part. Having
to clone a useful Motif means that you should also allow it's extention 
functionality and that isn't a easy task. Usualy development time for a
Motif widge (new one that is) usually few weeks for me. Now, to start that
over with the entire widget set would mean mean years of man hours.
I just think $150 or so for one of those Linux Motif distribution isn't too
bad, although some of who would be upset with the idea that we have to pay for
anything ... I would say that you get what you paid for, except for things
link Linux, XFree86, Emacs, gcc .... :)
-- 
Jinwoo Shin                             jwshin@eecs.berkeley.edu
System Administrator                    jwshin@nitride.eecs.berkeley.edu
Berkeley Sensor and Actuator Center

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From: ron@draconia.hacktic.nl (Ron Smits)
Subject: Re: Standard Linux GUI
Date: 20 May 1994 13:13:39 GMT

>>>>> "jam" == jam  <jam@jammed.is.ic.net> writes:

    jam> It seems like there are a lot of choices, and the thing to
    jam> do, when distributing binaries for X in a CD-ROM type
    jam> distribution, is to make sure that whatever interface you
    jam> want to use, they all use the _same_ one. Of course it would
    jam> be more marketable to be "compatible" with MS-WINDOZE, but
    jam> Microsoft would probably sue for look and feel anyway (anyone
    jam> remember all the Apple lawsuits over their machine?)..

    jam> I happen to like the concept of chosing your own user
    jam> interface. I am not an X programmer (yet), but it sounds like
    jam> this whole concept of widgets that everyone can choose to you
    jam> or not to use sounds like a good one. I would assume, though,
    jam> that changing widget sets is a royal pain..

    jam> There isn't a way to win on this one.

    jam> J

    jam> -- Jeff MacDonald jam@jammed.is.ic.net +1 (313)973-8742
    jam> jam@ic.net

Yes, being able to choose the  widget set is  real neat. But it is the
programmer that makes the choice not the  user. The user has influence
on key tables, colors,   positioning, fonts and  stuff like  that. But
once the programmer has written a program  using a certain widget set.
You're   stuck with  it.  At  the   moment there  is  only one  dropin
replacement   (That I  Know  Of) namely   XaW3D. This   has the  exact
functionality as the  normal  XaW widget  set but it  gives the  set a
really beautifull (IMHO) 3D look.
I wish there were more like these dropin replacements.

BTW, when  you start your  programming check out  the  FSF widget set,
that is also very nice indeed.
--



                Ron Smits
                ron@draconia.hacktic.nl
                Ron.Smits@Netherlands.NCR.COM

/*-( My opinions are my opinions, My boss's opinions are his opinions )-*/
/*-(                They might not be the same                        )-*/

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Crossposted-To: unl.linux,comp.lang.c++
From: shyamal@seas.smu.edu (Shyamal Prasad)
Subject: Re: Learning C++ on Linux?
Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 01:13:54 GMT

In article <2rbqlf$i8i@crcnis1.unl.edu>,
Jeff Epler <jepler@herbie.unl.edu> wrote:
>I'm interested in learning C++ during my free time this summer, and
>the only compiler I have easy access to is GCC on my home Linux
>machine.
>
>Does anyone know of a book that is well-suited to what I want?

Bjarne Stroustrups (spelling?) book is excellent. If you already are a
reasonably good programmer I would be hard pressed to suggest a
different book.

> 2) Is targeted at the proficient C programmer who is knowledgeless
>    about this 'objects' thing.

No book can teach you this in a hurry! Learning a new paradigm is
always hard going. Again, Stroustrup's book is good at this one.

> 3) (Is this too talk an order?  A book unto itself?) Teaches me to
>    program in X Windows, but certainly not Motif.

The X libraries in X11R5 are not in C++, so most books on this topic
are written in C. A really good book, IMHO, is the O'Rielly volume on
Xt Programming. Its for *C* programmers though. You should be able to
find the series in any bookstore that stocks computer related books.

>Also, is GCC's c++ compilation really good enough for me to learn c++?

Yes. 2.5.5 does not seem to do exception handling and I've not checked
out if it does templates. But it seems to do everything else okay (I'm
a C++ newbie).

>I have read, though not understood, about how g++ is still limited

Maybe. Its still good, and is a true compiler. I knew lots of object
oriented programming (Smalltalk and LISP variants) but no C++ until 4
weeks ago. I had to do a medium size project (<5000 lines) that was
obviously a candidate for object oriented implementation so I bought
Stroustrup's book, and wrote it on my Linux box at home using g++! It
took me two days to get my library together. Really ;-) 

g++ works great. At least to learn the language like I did! Go for it.
I'm speaking from experience :-)

Shyamal
-- 
Shyamal Prasad, Department of Computer Science
Southern Methodist University, Dallas TX 75275, USA

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From: daveco@ids.net
Subject: IN2000 controller under kernel 1.x?
Date: Thu, 19 May 94 17:12:29 GMT


 Hey there...
 
    Is anyone using an Always IN2000 SCSI controller under Linux with kernel
1.x? I installed the drivers from tsx.mit.edu and still can't get it to work.
 
  Anyone have it working?
 
  Please reply to daveco@ids.net, as I don't often read this area.
  Thanks,  -> Dave



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From: bau1@cornell.edu               (Bogdan Urma)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc
Subject: Re: Seeking Laser Printer Recommendations
Date: 20 May 1994 02:24:18 GMT

Mark P. Nelson (mpn@AlleleB) wrote:
: Jason Yanowitz (jmy@yid.hampshire.edu) wrote:

: : I am going to buy a laser printer for home use and am looking for the
: : best one to get for the cheapest amount (has to be less than $1000,
: : <$700 preferable).

: I have an HP LJ4L, which cost me $689.  It prints beautiful postscript
: graphics out of Linux.  In fact, halftones look better than on the 800dpi
: NewGen at my girlfriend's office.

     But the HP 4L is NOT a postscript printer! The HP 4ML is!
                                                        ~

Bogdan


: --
: Mark P. Nelson (mpn@alleleb.berkeley.edu)
: While I'll admit that anyone can make a mistake once, to go on making the
: same lethal errors century after century seems to me nothing short of
: deliberate.--V.

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From: phyjab1@phyd4c6.caledonia.hw.ac.uk (Jonathan A Buzzard)
Subject: Re: Standard Linux GUI
Reply-To: phyjab1@phyd4c6.caledonia.hw.ac.uk (Jonathan A Buzzard)
Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 16:06:46 GMT


--

>Untrue.  Motif would have gotten precisely nowhere if it hadn't sold; after
>all, XView was available for free at about the same time...  The market made
>Motif the winner.

More to do with the fact that Digital, IBM, Hewlet-Packard, SCO etc. have been
shipping it bundled with there versions of X for some time now the only significant people not doing this where SUN, who shipped an Xview toolkit 
which was written by SUN to provide a transition from the old  SunTool graphics library stuff which visually was very similar, though even they have ditched Xview in favour of Motif now.

The market did not make Motif the winner, it had more backers that where combined able to squeeze the opposition out.

JAB.

===============================================================================
Jonathan A. Buzzard,              
Physics Department,           Email:-
Heriot-Watt University,            phyjab1@caledonia.hw.ac.uk   InterNet
Edinburgh. EH14 4AS                phyjab1@uk.ac.hw.clust       JANET
United Kingdom.

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From: bradb@bronze.coil.com (Brad Block)
Subject: Where is that hardware-compliance-with-Linux list?
Date: 19 May 1994 23:07:16 -0400

Does anyone know where that one list is that lists a-bunch of hardware 
(CD-ROMS, HD's, controllers...) that is known to work well with Linux?

- I really need it bad!
- Thanks!


-- 
----|Brad Block|----                            ----|Sysoop: Wave 2 BBS|----
     AKA: MaKi                                          614\766-1258
                                                    bradb@bronze.coil.com


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From: jeroen@gdsnl.gds.nl (Jeroen van Gennip)
Subject: Re: URGENT: Linux Security Fixes
Date: Sun, 22 May 1994 00:38:17 GMT

Rob Janssen (rob@pe1chl.ampr.org) wrote:

: Poor solution, the leak still remains.
: (I will leave it as an excercise to find how this program can be
: bypassed.  it is easy.)

I gather you are one of these assholes that actually _enjoy_ security
leaks, as in: enjoying breaking in to somebodies home, because you 
just bought a master key from your local hardware shop.

Neither is it funny, nor is anyone asking for any of your damn 
riddles.
If you have a _solution_ to this problem, that might be usefull to 
other people, by all means: post it. Otherwise, shut up, or at 
least: take your kindergarten mentality somewhere else.

It is worth to note (as posted earlier) that AIX systems, for instance
are also affected.
We will reward the best solution with the 'GDS Cream Cake for Incredible
Technical Merit'. ;-)

I will leave this in an attempt to further the cause of Free, Open, and
Reliable systems. Comments anyone?
___
J.


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From: Hamish.Macdonald@bnr.ca (Hamish Macdonald)
Subject: Re: 32-bit Novell desktop OS combines Unix, DOS 7
Date: 20 May 1994 23:11:54 GMT

>> we all know that Linus himself says that it would be virtually
>> impossible, or at least very difficult, to port the Linux kernel to
>> another processor.

>>>>> orc@pell.com (Orc) wrote:

Orc> Well, this will no doubt come as a great surprise to the people
Orc> who've ported Linux to the (RIP) Commodore Amiga.

Damn; you mean I did all that work in my sleep?

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