Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #142
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Sat, 21 May 94 08:13:07 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #142, Volume #2                Sat, 21 May 94 08:13:07 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Linux & DEC ALPHAs... (Scott C. Gray)
  Re: postscript converter for linux (Mark P. Nelson)
  Re: Help selecting good SCSI disk (Andy Burgess)
  ftp'ing files after a given date (travis jensen)
  Fortran ? (dave duling)
  Re: InfoMagic CD set - WOW! (Heinz Wolter)
  Re: BBS-development Team wanted (Kyle Hasselbacher)
  Patches for xarchie+term? (Pawel Potocki)
  Postgres Development (Chris Bitmead)
  Re: Standard Linux GUI (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Re: Wait'll you see the May 16th PCWEEK... (Brandon S. Allbery)
  YAIR - Yet Another InfoMa (Rick Emerson)
  Re: Why does GW2K P90 fail installation? (Steve Fuller)
  Re: Learning C++ on Linux? (Maxim Spivak)
  Re: Own a piece of Linux history! (Brett G Person)
  Re: fsck necessary during boot? (Kai Petzke)
  Re: COMMODORE CALLS IT QUITS (Greg Boehlein)
  Re: Please help: trouble configuring network (Luke M Kaven)
  Amiga Linux (Peter Jones)

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From: gray@pong.nas.nasa.gov (Scott C. Gray)
Subject: Re: Linux & DEC ALPHAs...
Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 22:06:59 GMT

In article <2r16ul$9ia@sousa.amt.ako.dec.com>,
Jim Paradis <paradis@sousa.amt.ako.dec.com> wrote:
>Dwight M Evers (evers@plains.NoDak.edu) wrote:
>: To all those would be porters of Linux to the DEC ALPHA...
>

     [Much Cray-1 Info Deleted]

>Well, I used to work with Dick Sites, one of the chief architects of Alpha.
>He used to work at Cray, so he's uniquely qualified to answer these 
>assertions.  We ran your message by him and these are his comments:
>
>       The Cray-1 had an 80 MHz clock, not 58.
>
>       The Cray-1 was uniprocessor, not SMP.
>
>       Some customers bought solid-state disks, but those were the days 
>       of $1M and up government purchases.
>
>       The Cray-1 was built in 1975, nearly 20, not 10 years ago.
>
>       The "math core" had 12 functional units, not 100. 
>
>       Cray-1 Specfp is under 100 and below high-end Alphas.
>
>       Unicos is/was a Unix-based Cray operating system.
>

Well, we have a 16 processor Cray C-90 with 1GW (= 8Gbytes) of main memory
here, and I would dearly love to get it running Linux.  Xpilot runs
just a little too slow on my 486DX/50 with 16M of memory.

Anyone interested in porting?     =8-) 

-scott

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From: mpn@AlleleB (Mark P. Nelson)
Subject: Re: postscript converter for linux
Date: 20 May 1994 22:11:41 GMT
Reply-To: mpn@alleleb.berkeley.edu

naji al-khudairi (nma2255@u.cc.utah.edu) wrote:

:       I have been hearing about the Linux Network Administrators guide
: (or something to that affect) on the net.  I downloaded it, but I cannot
: print out postscript files.  Is there a small package I can get for Linux
: that will let me print postscript files to a Canon Bubble-Jet 200?

If you installed it, you can use ghostscript.  Type

man gs

to see some instructions on setting it up.

--
Mark P. Nelson (mpn@alleleb.berkeley.edu)
While I'll admit that anyone can make a mistake once, to go on making the
same lethal errors century after century seems to me nothing short of
deliberate.--V.

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Crossposted-To: comp.arch.storage,comp.periphs.scsi,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage
From: aab@cichlid.com (Andy Burgess)
Subject: Re: Help selecting good SCSI disk
Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 21:39:29 GMT

In <1994May19.091716.23065@jet.uk> cpg@jet.uk (Chris Gatcombe) writes:

>I am about to invest in a 1 GB SCSI disk and controller. I have a
>486DX50 (ISA bus) with an existing 210 MB IDE drive.  I have on my
>existing disk DOS and Windows, and Linux, and everything seem to work
>well.  

>I have selected an Adaptec 1542CF, and as for a disk, I have quotes for
>the following:

>              Seagate  Seagate  Micropolis Digital IBM
>              ST11200N ST31200N MIC2210    DSP3107 45G9466
>Capacity:     1050MB   1052MB   1056MB     1070MB  1052MB
>Avg seek:     10.5ms   9ms      10ms       9.5ms   8.6ms
>Trk/trk seek: 1.5ms    1ms      1.5ms      1ms     0.6
>Cache:        256k     256k     512k       512k    512k
>Size:         HalfHgt  LowProf  HalfHgt    LowProf LowProf

>All the drives above are fast SCSI-2, and have a 5 year warranty.

A few comments:

Rotational speed is a spec to consider. Many are >3600 rpm to 5400 or 6400.

Check out the Fujitsu 2694 and the HP 2247 as well.

Mel Steadman at Fast Access 708 268 8787 has given me great prices on fujitsu drives
over the years.

-- 
Andrew A. Burgess         ////          News news gotta have it
aab@cichlid.com          (@ @)          News news really love it
=====================oOO==(_)==OOo==============================


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From: jensen@hellgate.utah.edu (travis jensen)
Subject: ftp'ing files after a given date
Date: 20 May 94 19:35:43 GMT

Is there any software available for Linux that will conveniently
download all files on an ftp site after a specified date?  I
would prefer something that I just run, telling it what site,
what directory to get, what date to start at, and where to put
it.

If not, does anybody know ftp well enough to help me write a
script to telnet to port 21 and do that with the modification
time?

As always, appreciative of your help.

Travis

--
Travis A. Jensen                
jensen@peruvian.utah.edu  
travis@exodus.pht.com  (Linux reaches the Internet again)

"aaahhhhg-g-g-geeeeee"--Alexander Jensen (10/6/93), the 2-teethed,
                        smiling, bottle-sucking, faucet-drooling,
                        cutest-baby-in-the-whole-world!

I am a Scandinavian-American (5 generations removed
                              from Scandinavia)

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From: duling@hippo.niehs.nih.gov (dave duling)
Subject: Fortran ?
Date: 19 May 1994 01:43:23 GMT

Is there an F77 compiler for Linux ?

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From: heinz@focus-systems.on.ca (Heinz Wolter)
Subject: Re: InfoMagic CD set - WOW!
Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 16:38:19 GMT

In article <1994May14.040731.274@bhami.wimsey.com> bhenning@bhami.wimsey.com (William Henning) writes:
>I am extremely pleased with their service too. I ordered the CD's on Monday,
>and received them on Thursday or Friday (I did not check my mail Thursday).
>I have not tried the CD's yet, but they sound very good...
>
The CD is wonderfull. For any Torontians (or close by), the University of
Toronto Bookstore sells the April 2-disk set for $CAN27.95. The CD contains
many distibutions of which I installed (actually upgraded) the Slackware 
trouble free. UT bookstore also sells Linux Journal! (so I picked up
four copies of Vol 1 - anybody looking for a historical item ? I have 
3 immaculate copies still in the plastic wrap...The Infomagic is best bang
for buck I've seen yet. The only drawback is that there is no "live" image
to mount and run off, but the sunsite ans tsx dumps more than make up for it.
I think TransAmer and others offer live mountable images but who wants a 300k/s
disk ? -heinz


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From: kh55250@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Kyle Hasselbacher)
Subject: Re: BBS-development Team wanted
Date: 20 May 1994 16:39:16 GMT
Reply-To: khassel@uiuc.edu

veck@pshrink.chi.il.us (Chelloveck) writes:
>ado@bigcomm.gun.de publicly declared:

>>How do we realize that the sysop can watch/aid bbs-users screens ? How do
>>we map different Terminal-Types then ?

>Tough one.

        I remember being able to do something like this with the "script"
command on a few other systems, but I can't seem to get Linux to do it for
me.  Probably some permissions set wrong somewhere or something.

>>I think, if some of us work together and one writes the menu-stuff, the other
>>the file up/download stuff and the third one a user-database we could have
>>a working version quite soon. If we have something working, I think there
>>will be more and more people writing good tools.

        I was thinking of using the CCSO nameserver for a user database.
However, I haven't gotten a chance to compile and test it since my system
is woefully low on disk space.

>I hate to mention it, 'cause the code's a piece of crap, but my BBS is a 
>homebrew program.  I simply call existing tools like Pine and TRN, and 
>don't have much additional functionality.  It's mostly a (vaguely) 
>friendlier shell.

        I've written 'bout the same program myself except that it's mostly
a menu (and I think it uses tin instead of trn).  I'm not running it,
though; I still haven't gotten around to writing a new user program (one to
run as user new's shell and ask folks for names and other personal
information).
-- 
Kyle Hasselbacher            All programmers are playwrights.
khassel@uiuc.edu             All computers are lousy actors.

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From: ppotocki@panix.com (Pawel Potocki)
Subject: Patches for xarchie+term?
Date: 21 May 1994 02:33:10 -0400


Hi,

I'm trying to find some patches for xarchie (archie) to 
use it with term.  So far I couldn't find anything and
I would appreciate if anyone could point to me where
to find them (or send me by email).

For few days I am trying to collect patches for some other
network clients to use with term. It is not easy since they
are all over the place(net). So far I could find few things 
for xgopher, ftptool, telnet, ftp, ncftp, finger, whois.

If anyone has some patches for other programs (archie,
xarchie, gopher, talk, etc.) then please, inform me.

I'll try to collect all I get (got) and post it so
it would be easier for other people to get them all
at once.

Thank you,

Pawel Potocki 

e-mail:ppotocki@panix.com




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From: chrisb@cssc-syd.tansu.com.au (Chris Bitmead)
Subject: Postgres Development
Date: 18 May 1994 15:34:08 +1000

I Wrote to the Postgres developers at Berkeley because I was interested
if work was continuing on the database. The reply I received was that
it had pretty much ended with V4.2 except that "some crazy Linux developers"
had taken up work on it.

Is there a group of Linux developers working on Postgres?




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From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: Standard Linux GUI
Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 22:59:21 GMT

In article <2rg5sn$7nq@canoe.gandalf.ca>, ptomblin@gandalf.ca says:
+---------------
| And it's not a "de facto" standard.  It's a "de jure" standard.  I.e. it's a
| standard because OSF (and others) have declared it a standard, not because
| people wanted it or evolved it.
+------------->8

Untrue.  Motif would have gotten precisely nowhere if it hadn't sold; after
all, XView was available for free at about the same time...  The market made
Motif the winner.

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery         kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
The FUDs at Microsoft are shouting "Kill The Wabi!"

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From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: Wait'll you see the May 16th PCWEEK...
Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 23:04:11 GMT

In article <1994May19.053147.13848@cs.cornell.edu>, mdw@cs.cornell.edu (Matt Welsh) says:
+---------------
| solidified, but from this description it sounds quite _unlike_ Linux---
| i.e., not a Linux system as we know it. Coupled with PowerPC support I 
| suspect that Novell has incorporated only the core of the Linux
| kernel, and therefore this product shouldn't be seen as ``in competition''
| with Linux. 
+------------->8

I agree; it sounds like a desktop which will be available on multiple *ixes,
and which is being hosted on Linux for x86 because that way they can make it a
lot cheaper than if they used UnixWare and beat Microsoft on the price point.

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery         kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
The FUDs at Microsoft are shouting "Kill The Wabi!"

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Subject: YAIR - Yet Another InfoMa
From: rick.emerson@dscmail.com (Rick Emerson)
Date: Fri, 20 May 94 12:38:00 -0640

 @SUBJECT:YAIR - Yet Another InfoMagic Rave                           N
I placed my order with InfoMagic on the 17th and they said, "oh, gee,
we're all out of Linux disks.  The new ones will be in tomorrow."  An
immediate sense of doom set in but, lo and behold, sitting in my
mailbox yesterday, 19 May, was my InfoMagic order, as promised.  I've
already glommed a couple of goodies off the disks and I'll go for the
complete system re-build (this one's been in place since last August)
next week.

Oh, and for some reason, they discounted my order (the Linux CD-ROM's
and the Usenet disk) by 10% so the total bill was only $41 including
$2.90 for priority mail.  

I'm a happy camper!

Rick
  
...
 * ATP/Linux 1.42 * Talk is cheap, until you hire a lawyer.

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From: sfuller@picard.infonet.net (Steve Fuller)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Why does GW2K P90 fail installation?
Date: 19 May 1994 02:19:49 GMT


>>at a loss for where to go from here.  [I was smart enough to get
>>the ATI-GUP rather than the MATROX, but I didn't know what to do

Well, at least there's ONE OS in existance with stable support for ATI cards. 
ATI's Windows programmers haven't been able to manage this one yet for some 
reason.....


-- 
Steve Fuller                              I will choose the path that's clear
sfuller@ins.infonet.net                   I will choose freewill  -- N. Peart
INS Info Services Support Staff 


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From: maxims@ucsee.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (Maxim Spivak)
Crossposted-To: unl.linux,comp.lang.c++
Subject: Re: Learning C++ on Linux?
Date: 19 May 1994 02:38:27 GMT

In article <2rbqlf$i8i@crcnis1.unl.edu>,
Jeff Epler <jepler@herbie.unl.edu> wrote:
>I'm interested in learning C++ during my free time this summer, and
>the only compiler I have easy access to is GCC on my home Linux
>machine.
>
>Does anyone know of a book that is well-suited to what I want?
> 1) Isn't taylored to a DOS compiler like BC++ -- So no chapters upon
>    chapters on the BGI or creating a Mouse class or installing an
>    interrupt or 

A book that's good for learning, nor reference, is _Developing C++ 
Software_ by Russel Winder (published by Wiley Books, ISBN 
0-471-93610-3). This is the book they use at UC Berkeley to teach C++ 
programming. The author says he's tried all the examples using 
Borland C++ 3.1 and gcc. I liked it.

> 2) Is targeted at the proficient C programmer who is knowledgeless
>    about this 'objects' thing.

Targeted at both experience C programmers and newcomers to programming. 
You might end up skipping or skimming the first several chapters before 
you get to Classes, etc.

>Also, is GCC's c++ compilation really good enough for me to learn c++?
>I have read, though not understood, about how g++ is still limited

I don't think so. So far I haven't found anything wrong with g++. BTW, 
it's a true c++ compiler, not a translator-into-C-then-compiler.

>
>Jeff

Max


-- 
**************************************************************************
Maxim Spivak                            |  #include <GoBears.h>
University of California, Berkeley      |  #include <StdDisclaimer.h>
maxims@ucsee.berkeley.edu               |  #include ".signature"

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From: person@badlands.NoDak.edu (Brett G Person)
Subject: Re: Own a piece of Linux history!
Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 08:26:59 GMT

Maybe Mark could become Jana's distrubutor?    Hmmm..

Has anyone gotten Jana CDs yet?  

C'mon Jana.  Either ship or shutdown!




-- 
Brett G. Person
person@badlands.nodak.edu
IBM Screen Reader Technical Support
North Dakota State University

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From: wpp@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de (Kai Petzke)
Subject: Re: fsck necessary during boot?
Date: 21 May 94 10:37:12 GMT

adams@ms.uky.edu (Robert Adams) writes:

>Is it necessary to run fsck on every boot?  I don't leave my computer on all
>the time, so every time I boot, I have to sit through the check.  Is it safe
>to remove fsck, and run it by hand every so often?

Yes.

However, most modern linux distributions are set up, that they will
run the file system check only from time to time automatically.  To get
this for your machine, too, without reinstalling everything:

- Get the newest version of the fsck utilities for the filesystem
  type(s) you use.
- Don't use the "-f" by default.



Kai
-- 
Kai Petzke                      | How fast can computers get?
Technical University of Berlin  |
Berlin, Germany                 | Sol 9, of course, on Star Trek.
wpp@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de   |

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
From: damin@csuohio.edu (Greg Boehlein)
Subject: Re: COMMODORE CALLS IT QUITS
Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 02:16:07 GMT

Grant Edwards (grante@reddwarf.rosemount.com) wrote:
: Brandon S. Allbery (bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org) wrote:
: : grante@reddwarf.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards) says:
: : +---------------
: : | Nope, there was a dual-mode 8/32 bit wide 6502 compatible cpu (I don't
: : | remember the number, but 68C832 doesn't sound quite right).  
: : +------------->8

: : 65C816, but that was an 8/16 bit microprocessor.  (The Apple IIGS
: : used it; I don't think any other "major manufacturer" machines did.)
: : I don't think there was a 32-bit version.

: Yep, that's the one -- I mis-remembered the bus width.  Did the IIGS
: even run the thing in 16 bit mode?

Yes, the IIGS ran GS/OS, a full 16 bit OS. In fact, there is a "unix"
kernel called GNO that runs under the OS and offers a lot of the
features of a Unix operating system. My GS is jacked up to 14 mhz and
runs GNO with 4 megs of Ram. It's really quite cool! :) I can DL in
the background, and Emacs / Compile programs in the foreground. YOu
can have up to 64 concurrent procesess operating.

Actually, Derek Taubert has just finished up his TCP/IP package for
GNO that should make my machine -REALLY- useful.

The 65C02 and 65816 processors were a REALLY cool architecture when
they were released. Mine is -STILL- serving me well..
    

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From: lmk6@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Luke M Kaven)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Please help: trouble configuring network
Date: 19 May 1994 19:22:36 GMT

andyh@jumper.mcc.ac.uk (Andy Hawkins) writes:

>Luke M Kaven (lmk6@crux1.cit.cornell.edu) wrote:
>: I am having great difficulty getting networking to run correctly
>: on our Linux machine.  

>We had a similar problem here...and it's something to do with not being able
>to reach the nameserver I think. If you do a route -n (which doesn't try to
>resolve ip numbers into names) then things work Ok. Check that your
>nameserver setup is correct (/etc/resolv.conf).

>If it's not that...I'm stumped...

>Andy

--

Well, I am very grateful to Paul Tomblin for supplying me with 
configurations that were workable.  (Mostly his configs are what
you see in the base note in this thread.)  Thanks very much also
to Alan Cox, who observed that the routings looked correct, but
that the Ethernet card may have been configured incorrectly.  
THAT was the major problem.  (The first round of notes here
cured my confusion about routing configs, so that was some
critically needed assistance).  The card I was using is an
SMC Ethercard Elite Ultra.  I set it up to use RAM D800, I/O 280,
and IRQ 5 as in an earlier suggestion.  What confused me was
that the DOS soft configuration for the card seemed to think
there was a RAM conflict when there were no other devices in
the system.  SILLY ME!  I forgot about SHADOW RAM.  Once I
disabled the shadowing and used the suggested configs, things
began to work!  

To the folks who too a concern in this matter...I can't tell
you how grateful I am.  Besides saving me from a round of
"blame the admin for why the expensive purchase wont work",
we have also made the way for more widespread acceptance of
Linux in the laboratory and workplace.  I may be able to
convince folks to buy another two or three Linux machines as
a result of succeeding with the first machine.  Now I am
fortunate to be able to help other people with similar
problems as I was helped.  So it goes.

Thanks all..

Luke Kaven
Center for Advanced Biotechnology and Medicine
Rutgers University



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From: thanatos@drealm.drealm.org (Peter Jones)
Subject: Amiga Linux
Date: Sat, 21 May 1994 11:14:48 +0000

Hi folks.

Just to keep myself up to date on things, what newsgroup(s) should I be
following to stay abreast of the Amiga Linux port?  (I've searched the
FAQ... and I've not seen this question answered here, either.)

-- Peter

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