Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #140
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Date:     Fri, 20 May 94 20:13:11 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #140, Volume #2                Fri, 20 May 94 20:13:11 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Term 115 (beta) is out. (Ben Taylor)
  Re: COMMODORE CALLS IT QUITS (Andre Fachat)
  comparison of free unix software? (golds)
  linking against newer lib? (Michael Schmidt)
  Re: COMMODORE CALLS IT QUITS (Andrew Bulhak)
  Re: Slackware installation and kernel recompilation (Robert G. Smith)
  Making "nice" nicer. (Joel M. Hoffman)
  Jay at CDrom-a-month phone number? (Sean A. Long)
  Linux_&_Internet (K Gibbs)
  Re: Jay at CDrom-a-month phone number? (Dan Swartzendruber)
  Support for the EXOS205T network card in linux? (Alexander Larsson)
  Re: GNU Manifesto and Lisp window system  was Re: linux unethical ? (Marco Antoniotti)
  Re: Q: How to contact QNX Developers? (Thomas G. McWilliams)
  LINUX and hooking up remote terminals (Nelson J. Chadderdon)
  NEC 3xi CDROM cant boot Linux1.0(Yggdrasil 1.1) (Saul J. Rosenberg)
  Re: [SU PASSWD] Getting a password to SU (James W. Abensdchan)
  Re: A good NFS server ? (Martin Sohnius)
  Re: [FSSTND] - What is it's current state? (Daniel Quinlan)
  Re: BRIEF/vi Compatible GUI Text Editor (Ron Smits)

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From: s9ubxt@almserv.uucp (Ben Taylor)
Subject: Re: Term 115 (beta) is out.
Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 15:35:19 GMT

patrickr@sci.kun.nl (Patrick Reijnen) writes:

>For Sun people I do have a solution which worked well for me. terminal.c
>gave me an error about N_TTY. After commenting out #define USE_TERMIOS
>term115 compiled nicely on my sun. Commenting out the above rule means
>you want to use sgtty instead of TERMIOS. For me this worked fine.
>Hope it helps you too.

I tried this but it didn't work.

BTW, for Solaris 2.3,  if you #ifndef SVR4 out the N_TTY,
term115 works just fine (Using test mode.  I've not had success
actually testing from a modem term connection cause my home
is a SunOS 4.1.3 version)

Ben

>--
>*******************************************************************
>* Patrick Reijnen                                                 *
>* Department of Computer Science, Catholic University of Nijmegen * 
>* Email: patrickr@{sci,cs}.kun.nl    (Make your choice)           *

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From: fs1@aixfile1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Andre Fachat)
Subject: Re: COMMODORE CALLS IT QUITS
Date: 20 May 1994 14:14:21 GMT


: The 65C02 and 65816 processors were a REALLY cool architecture when
: they were released. Mine is -STILL- serving me well..
mine too!
I built myself a nice computer with the 6502 - off course it's kind'o slow,
but:  up to 1MByte Memory, MMU, Multitasking OS, reading MS-DOS and CBM 
disks and, if I run a special
emulator, it is 98% old CBM3032 compatible, where I started to work
on computers with....
(You have to have something to run your games on.....)

And now back to real live...
Bye
Andre


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From: golds@fjc.GOV (golds)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.os.386bsd.questions
Subject: comparison of free unix software?
Date: 20 May 94 14:54:52 GMT

I am not trying to initiate a flame war, just gather some facts.  I am
curious about the differences between the free unix products, including:
-- what kinds of boards and buses they support
-- their relative stability
-- the size of their user groups and distribution
-- relative performance on
====== compute intensive tasks
====== multi=user load with many context switches
====== disk intensive tasks
-- support for DOS and/or Windows without reboot?
-- and any other differences which would have an obvious impact on
   the user as opposed to the developer/maintainer

Has anybody done a feature matrix comparing these operating systems?
Thanks.

-- 
Rich Goldschmidt: uunet!fjcp60!golds or golds@teo.ao.gov
Commercialization of space is the best way to escape the zero-sum economy.
Disclaimer: I don't speak for the government, and it doesn't speak for me...

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From: michael@muc.de (Michael Schmidt)
Subject: linking against newer lib?
Date: 19 May 1994 17:16:21 +0200


I installed the newest Xpm libs, cped xpm.h, ldconfiged and then
recompiled sxpm.  And got a sxpm linked against the old library. Why
this?

        Michael

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From: acbul1@penfold.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew Bulhak)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: COMMODORE CALLS IT QUITS
Date: 18 May 1994 04:07:14 GMT

Brandon S. Allbery (bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org) wrote:
: In article <1994May11.194011.20646@rosevax.rosemount.com>, grante@reddwarf.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards) says:
: +---------------
: | Nope, there was a dual-mode 8/32 bit wide 6502 compatible cpu (I don't
: | remember the number, but 68C832 doesn't sound quite right).  
: +------------->8

: 65C816, but that was an 8/16 bit microprocessor.  (The Apple IIGS used it; I
: don't think any other "major manufacturer" machines did.)  I don't think there
: was a 32-bit version.

The Super Nintendo uses it.

--
Andrew Bulhak            acb@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
The only person more evil than Kibo!

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From: rob@bip.anatomy.upenn.edu (Robert G. Smith)
Subject: Re: Slackware installation and kernel recompilation
Date: 18 May 1994 04:34:39 GMT

zachary brown (zbrown@lynx.dac.neu.edu) wrote:

: Two questions about Slackware:

: 1) if I copy the .tgz files from the installation disks to the root
: directory and gunzip and untar them from there, is that the same as
: running the (excellent) installation program without configuring at the
: end?

To duplicate the effect of the setup program, run

  tar vtzf file.tgz | more

and look for binary files that are running in the
background.  Tar won't overwrite running binaries, so
you need to rename them first.  Then you can extract
with tar.  If there is an "install/doinst.sh" file in
the package, then you can correctly set all the symbolic
links, etc. as "setup" does by running

   /bin/bash /install/doinst.sh

 However remember that the doinst.sh file is not erased
after you install a package this way, and some packages
don't have their own doinst.sh file, so you don't want
to blindly run this for every one.

: 2) If I compile the kernel included in the D series without changing any
: of the defaults, do I get an identical kernal to the one included on the
: a series?

It is easy to configure the kernel at compile time to get the
same kernel binary.

Hope this helps.

Rob Smith

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From: joel@wam.umd.edu (Joel M. Hoffman)
Subject: Making "nice" nicer.
Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 22:45:35 GMT

On my lowly '386 machine, I find that even with background jobs niced,
foreground jobs don't get enough CPU time.  For example, as I type
this, I have povray running  nice'd (level 10), but it's still getting
over 30% of the CPU time.  

Likewise, sometimes I want something to run almost to the exclusion of
everything else (for example, "top -q" if necessary), but no matter
how much priority I give it, on a busy system it doesn't get enough
CPU. 

Is there some way to remedy this?  Or, rather, has someone already
looked into modifying the scheduler to make nice levels more
important?

Thanks for any advice.

-Joel
(joel@wam.umd.edu)

-- 
=============================================================================
|_|~~ Germany, Europe. 1943.    "The diameter of the bomb was 30 centimeters,
__|~| 16 Million DEAD.           and the diameter of its destruction, about 7
                                meters, and in it four killed and 11 wounded. 
 cnc  Bosnia, Europe. 1993.     And around these, in a larger circle of  pain
 cnc  HOW MANY MORE?          and time,  are scattered two  hospitals and one
                          cemetery.   But the young woman who was  buried  in
                    the place from where she came, at a distance of more than
             than 100 kilometers, enlarges the circle considerably.   And the 
      lonely man who is mourning her death in a distant  country incorporates
into the circle the whole world.  And I won't speak of the cry of the orphans
that reaches God's chair and from there makes the circle endless and godless."
=============================================================================
     Tell Clinton to stop the genocide:  president@whitehouse.gov

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From: longsa94%cs02@cadetmail.usafa.af.mil (Sean A. Long)
Subject: Jay at CDrom-a-month phone number?
Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 19:59:02 GMT

Hi all...

Does anyone know the current email address and phone number for cdrom a 
month?  I've sent a few messages to cdrom@hookup.com, and had no 
replies.  I'm graduating June first, and need either my CD, or a refund 
before I leave...

-=>Sean Long

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From: kgibbs@world.std.com (K Gibbs)
Subject: Linux_&_Internet
Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 20:54:07 GMT

Summary: 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: The World Public Access UNIX, Brookline, MA
Keywords: 
Cc: 

I would like to talk to someone who has used Linux to setup an
internet connection.  I run a Wildcat BBS (DOS), and I want to
offer Internet Access.  I have an Internet provider ready to
accomidate me but It's up to me to figure out how to get it done.

From my past experience, I believe it can be done as follows, but
please correct me if I'm wrong our you have a better idea.

I have 8 nodes comming in to my BBS via a 800 number.  I would 
put 8 lines going out to a 486 running Linux.  Then have a dedicated
56K line to my internet provider.  The BBS would require a custom 
door application to access the line out into UNIX, and the login
script in unix would pass them straight through to the Internet.

But is Linux OK to use for this?  How does it compare to SCO?

Does Linux have SLIP and PPP?  Is is easy to setup?  Are there
any technical problems with using Linux for this purpose.

If you would like to talk further, please contact me at either
my office (216) 494-5504 x680 or my residence (216) 966-1813 or
my direct internet address at kgibbs@world.std.com.  I would
appreciate any feed back.  Also, if long distance is a problem,
let me know and I will be more then happy to put it on my dime.

Thanks,
Kelly E. Gibbs
Director,
CompuClub Financial Developments

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From: dswartz@pugsley.osf.org (Dan Swartzendruber)
Subject: Re: Jay at CDrom-a-month phone number?
Date: 20 May 1994 21:12:17 GMT

In article <longsa94%cs02.227.769463942@cadetmail.usafa.af.mil>, longsa94%cs02@cadetmail.usafa.af.mil (Sean A. Long) writes:
> Hi all...
> 
> Does anyone know the current email address and phone number for cdrom a 
> month?  I've sent a few messages to cdrom@hookup.com, and had no 
> replies.  I'm graduating June first, and need either my CD, or a refund 
> before I leave...

Think of it as a learning experience...


-- 

#include <std_disclaimer.h>

Dan S.

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From: alla@lysator.liu.se (Alexander Larsson)
Subject: Support for the EXOS205T network card in linux?
Date: 20 May 1994 14:23:05 GMT

I just recently got my hands on a EXOS205T network card and
i wonder if there is any support in linux (i can't find any).

If there is anyone out there who has such a card and know
anything about it i would be very interested

/ Alexander Larsson alla@lysator.liu.se


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From: marcoxa@graphics.cs.nyu.edu (Marco Antoniotti)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU Manifesto and Lisp window system  was Re: linux unethical ?
Date: 20 May 1994 17:03:23 GMT


In article <habaoch.940519094234@wilbur.eng.auburn.edu> habaoch@eng.auburn.edu (Bao Chau Ha) writes:

   From: habaoch@eng.auburn.edu (Bao Chau Ha)
   Sender: usenet@mail.auburn.edu (Usenet Administrator)
   Nntp-Posting-Host: wilbur.eng.auburn.edu
   Organization: Auburn University Engineering

   In article <JANSSEN.94May17232343@holmes.PARC.Xerox.Com> janssen@holmes.PARC.Xerox.Com (Bill Janssen) writes:
   >In article <2rc4hq$cvd@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au> acbul1@penfold.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew Bulhak) writes:
   >
   >   A Lisp-based window system? Is that still happening?
   >
   >You mean, aside from GNU Emacs?
   >
   YES, something like Symbolics' Genera development environment.

This is a tickling topic for a die hard CL programmer.

Actually a "specification" for a portable CL window system IS out
there: CLIM. Unfortunately there is no public domain and not even
GPL'd version.

I guess we Lisp programmers will have to languish slowly toward
extinction. :(

--
Marco Antoniotti - Resistente Umano
===============================================================================
Robotics Lab            | room: 1220 - tel. #: (212) 998 3370
Courant Institute NYU   | e-mail: marcoxa@cs.nyu.edu

...e` la semplicita` che e` difficile a farsi.
...it is simplicity that is difficult to make.
                                Bertholdt Brecht

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From: tgm@netcom.com (Thomas G. McWilliams)
Subject: Re: Q: How to contact QNX Developers?
Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 17:29:36 GMT

Michael P. Jarreau (jarreau@vuse.vanderbilt.edu) wrote:
: I am looking for an internet address for Quantum Software, makers of 
: QNX os.  I specifically need to contact BJ Software Systems who
: make "Real Flex" for that os. 

Wrong newsgroup. Try asking in comp.os.qnx


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From: laslo@northshore.ecosoft.com (Nelson J. Chadderdon)
Subject: LINUX and hooking up remote terminals
Date: 20 May 1994 09:36:41 -0400

My company is getting net access in the near future... as long as the 
price is right.  Obviously Linux fits in this catagory.

My question:
all together there maybe 8 to 10 dumb terminals around the building.  
What are my opotions for hooking these up.  I can easily get some 4-port 
serial cards cheap, but the furthest terminal maybe close to 500 feet maybe
even 1000 feet away from the Linux box.  I can also get some either-net 
cards relatively cheap too, the only thing is at least to of these 
terminals will be MAC notebooks (only cheap way I see here is to use 
serial cables).  I had one last option that I thought of.  It maybe 
possible for my company yo obtain a Xylogics Annex box (either net to 
serial).  has anyone had expierences with the Annex box, or its equivalent

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From: rosenberg@eisner.decus.org (Saul J. Rosenberg)
Subject: NEC 3xi CDROM cant boot Linux1.0(Yggdrasil 1.1)
Date: 20 May 94 14:45:12 -0400


Problem:
    Unable to boot Linux 1.0 from NEC 3Xi triple speed CDROM
 
selected lines from the console...
    LILO
    loading linux
    uncompressing linux
    ...
    aha152x: P_CMD: 1(0) bytes left in FIFO, resetting
    ...
    ll_rw_block: only 2048-char blocks implemented (1024)
    ...
    minix_fs unable to read superblock
 
The login screen prompt eventually emerges, but logging in
as demo/guest/root/install generates more P_CMD messages
and immediately returns to the login menu
 
Boot options used (see pg 58 of manual)
    linux aha152x=0x340,11,7,1
 
Environment
    Linux from Yggdrasil, Summer 1994, version 1.1, received 5/94
 
    486/66, AMI motherboards, 16 MB memory
 
    multi-device internal SCSI cable:
    1) Adaptec SCSI controller, integrated on the motherboard, which
       identifies itself as AHA 1510/AIC 6360, IO Port 340H, IRQ 11
       terminated
    2) NEC CDROM 3xi, non-terminated
    3) SCSI disk, Fuji 1 GB, terminated

    The CDROM is on unit #1, the SCSI disk is unit #0
 
    Tried two jumper settings on the NEC CDROM: SCSI-1 and SCSI-2
    both returned the same results
 
    The NEC CDROM drive works fine under DOS 6.2 and Windows.
 
Notes:
    The backpage of the Yggdrasil booklet does not list the NEC drive.
    The Adaptec 1510 SCSI controller is listed as experimental.
 
Any help would be appreciated....
Thanx
Saul Rosenberg
212-502-1798

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From: unkadath!shamus@naucse.cse.nau.edu (James W. Abensdchan)
Subject: Re: [SU PASSWD] Getting a password to SU
Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 21:14:05 GMT

In article <DAVE.94May17171630@thomases.thomases.demon.co.uk> dave@thomases.demon.co.uk (Dave Thomas) writes:
>I've a shell script that starts up DIP/SLIP. It has to be run as
>root.

[ ... ]

>So, how can I hack this so I can start DIP using a single
>command?

Since dip itself is (or should be) suid root, the program that calls
it doesn't have to be suid.  So:

# chmod 6555 /etc/dip
# cat > /etc/diprun
#!/bin/sh
/etc/dip -i
^D
# chmod 555 /etc/diprun

... and have all of your diplogins run /etc/diprun.

James

-- 
James W. Abendschan                "Turing," she said.  "You are under arrest."
...!naucse!unkadath!shamus    shamus@unkadath.uucp      jwa@sunset.cse.nau.edu

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.unix.unixware,comp.unix.solaris
From: msohnius@novell.co.uk (Martin Sohnius)
Subject: Re: A good NFS server ?
Date: Thu, 19 May 1994 17:15:19 GMT

Alan Cox (iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr) wrote:
: In article <Cq1HGz.8w1@hippo.ru.ac.za> csgr@cs.ru.ac.za writes:
: >[.. something about Linux and freeBDS...]

: [.. something else about Linux and something about BSD in general...]

Hey, you guys,  this whole thread is degenerating into a little
NFS-on-BSD discussion!

--
Martin Sohnius

Novell Labs Europe              |  Press one for confusion, press two
Bracknell, England              |  for frustration, and any other number
+44-344-724031                  |  to hear this message again.

(My opinions may not be those of Novell!)

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From: quinlan@spectrum.cs.bucknell.edu (Daniel Quinlan)
Subject: Re: [FSSTND] - What is it's current state?
Date: 20 May 1994 14:54:06 GMT
Reply-To: quinlan@spectrum.cs.bucknell.edu


Scott Barker <barkers@cuug.ab.ca> writes:

> Does anybody have a copy of the FSSTND or know where to get it? I
> can't find it in any of my usual hunting grounds for docs.

The first public release of the FSSTND is at tsx-11.mit.edu in
/pub/linux/docs/linux-standards/fsstnd.

I am hoping that the second release will be happening fairly soon.

Dan

--
Daniel Quinlan  <quinlan@spectrum.cs.bucknell.edu>

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From: ron@draconia.hacktic.nl (Ron Smits)
Subject: Re: BRIEF/vi Compatible GUI Text Editor
Date: 19 May 1994 11:08:41 GMT

>>>>> "dan" == dan  <dan@oea.hacktic.nl> writes:

    dan> Rob Savoye (rob@Cygnus.COM) wrote: : whb@rastaban.usc.edu
    dan> (Win Bent) writes:

    dan> : Also to note, is that unlike the rest of Unix, none of the
    dan> newer versions : of crisp past 2.2.e (many years old) have
    dan> the source released. I personally : don't like the idea of
    dan> taking all the source of a decent program proprietary.  : A
    dan> truly free (GPL'd) systems like Linux shouldn't be ruined by
    dan> "non-free" : software. (I don't run motif on Linux either)

    dan> Grow up.

    dan> -- |< Dan Naas dan@oea.hacktic.nl >|
    dan> +--------------------------------------+

What is the difficulty here? If you like it buy it, If you don't
don't, But stop whining! Be glad people are bringing more and more
products to Linux!!
--



                Ron Smits
                ron@draconia.hacktic.nl
                Ron.Smits@Netherlands.NCR.COM

/*-( My opinions are my opinions, My boss's opinions are his opinions )-*/
/*-(                They might not be the same                        )-*/

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