Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #139
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Date:     Fri, 20 May 94 14:13:49 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #139, Volume #2                Fri, 20 May 94 14:13:49 EDT

Contents:
  Re: [PATCH] Make term115 go on sos413 Re: Term 115 (beta) is out. (0000-Admin(0000))
  Re: Streets named after programming languages (Jens Stark)
  [FSSTND] - What is it's current state? (Scott Barker)
  Putting keywords in Subject: lines (Scott Barker)
  Re: Clothes named after programming languages (Stano Meduna)
  pthreads for linux (Erik Rozendaal)
  InfoMagic + Linux         (PAT SHEAFFER)
  Re: Clothes named after programming languages (C.P. Brown)
  Learning C++ on Linux? (Jeff Epler)
  [HELP]: Hardware woes again [HDs *grrr*] (Dan Miner)
  Re: pthreads for linux (Steven Buytaert)
  Re: Making "nice" nicer. (Joel M. Hoffman)
  Re: Who is Linux targetting? (Mark van Hoeij)
  Re: LOGISCAN V0.0.1 released (CHRISTOPHER M MAY)
  PCMCIA and Linux (Donald VuKovic)
  Pro Graphics Video Card  and Yggdrasil distribution (Dave Brown)
  3C509 (Etherlink III) support
  fsck necessary during boot? (Robert Adams)
  Re: Streets named after programming languages (Logan Shaw)
  Re: BBS-development Team wanted (Larry W. Virden)
  Re: InfoMagic CD-ROM -- how to order? (Thomas Pfau)
  Re: A good NFS server ? (Craig I. Hagan)
  Re: Standard Linux GUI (Rene COUGNENC)
  Re: Clothes named after programming languages (DoN. Nichols)
  Linux port of AKCS BBS? (JL Gomez)

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From: root@cats.ucsc.edu (0000-Admin(0000))
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Make term115 go on sos413 Re: Term 115 (beta) is out.
Date: 18 May 1994 00:46:22 GMT

I vaguely recall a useful thing in getting term to compile, is to use
"ncurses", from gnu.  

Don't forget to define -DNCURSES.

Otherwise... just ignore the "tmon" thing, and go on with life.


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From: root@foobar.seca.de (Jens Stark)
Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers,alt.humor.puns
Subject: Re: Streets named after programming languages
Date: 20 May 1994 06:28:05 +0200

g02o@zfn.uni-bremen.de (Mark-Oliver Wolter) writes:

>Robert Swirsky-Warner (swirsky@adobe.com) wrote:
>:> (BTW: Does anyone remember Microsoft's compiler for
>:> "Applsoft BASIC" that, according to the manual, was
>:> written in Applesoft and compiled with itself? It
>:> worked well, but took a long time to compile anything.
>Almost ALL interpreter language compilers are written in the interpreter version
>and compiled with themselves...
>(c64 Austrospeed, Atari GFA Basic Compiler, Omikron Compiler,...)

I remember getting hold of the IBM FORTRAN H compiler sources a LONG time
ago. It consisted of three parts :

library ( in assembler )
private macros ( same )
compiler source ( in a FORTRAN dialect not compilable with any FORTRAN
                  compiler plus some assembler statements )

The most frequent comment in the source was :
       "MOTHER SUPERIOR JUMPED THE GUN"

Jens
-- 
/* world's shortest cslaw emulator */
main() { while (fork());}

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From: barkers@cuug.ab.ca (Scott Barker)
Subject: [FSSTND] - What is it's current state?
Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 04:17:43 GMT

Does anybody have a copy of the FSSTND or know where to get it? I can't find
it in any of my usual hunting grounds for docs.

--
Scott Barker
barkers@cuug.ab.ca

"I'm not afraid of dying, I just don't want to be there when it happens."
   - Woody Allen

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From: barkers@cuug.ab.ca (Scott Barker)
Subject: Putting keywords in Subject: lines
Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 04:22:16 GMT

I vaguely recall some discussions going on in the c.o.l.help group where
someone was trying to encourage the use of [keywords] in the Subject lines of
news articles. Does anyone know if a set of keywords was arrived at, and if
there are any plans to promote this practice? I personally think it's a great
idea, and it would make it a lot easier to wade through the hundreds of
articles coming through per day. Sure, kill files work great, but it would be
even easier if all you had to do was kill any article not containing
[<something>]. 

If this idea was squashed, forgive my asking. If not, and others think it's a
good idea, and no-one else is working on maintaining a list of keywords, I'd
be willing to adminster it - doing things like the initial voting on
appropriate keywords, maintaining and periodically posting the list, etc.

--
Scott Barker
barkers@cuug.ab.ca

"I'm not afraid of dying, I just don't want to be there when it happens."
   - Woody Allen

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From: stano@trillian.eunet.sk (Stano Meduna)
Subject: Re: Clothes named after programming languages
Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 08:23:21 GMT

Please, please, is it really necessary to have all this sh*t in
comp.os.linux.misc ? alt.folklore.computers is perfectly good
for such discussions.

Not everybody has 2 GB of free diskspace and terbo modem ...

Regards
--
                                  Stano

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From: dlrozend@cs.vu.nl (Erik Rozendaal)
Subject: pthreads for linux
Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 11:24:44 GMT


I've heard the pthreads library has been ported to Linux, but I
haven't been able to find it on any Linux site, not even when using
archie. Where can it be found? (I need it to use tasking with GNU
Ada).

Erik
-- 
-- Erik Rozendaal                                E-mail:dlrozend@cs.vu.nl
-- GNU Ada 9X (GNAT): ftp://cs.nyu.edu/pub/gnat                  Team Ada
-- "Where do we go from here? We're going no where" - Pink Floyd

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Reply-To: pat_sheaffer@labsline.win.net (PAT SHEAFFER)
From: pat_sheaffer@labsline.win.net (PAT SHEAFFER)
Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 16:00:00 GMT
Subject: InfoMagic + Linux        


Hi:
        Heard the great deal that InfoMagic is giving
on Linux CD-ROM.  Am wondering if it has (useable) X-Windows
in that version, since that appears to be still evolving, and if
it has a DOS/Windows emulator to allow cross-OS stuff.

Newbie


 * PowerEdit 1.0 Since I've used up my sick leave, I'm calling in dead.



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From: cpb1001@cl.cam.ac.uk (C.P. Brown)
Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Clothes named after programming languages
Date: 18 May 1994 01:23:10 GMT
Reply-To: cpb1001@hermes.cam.ac.uk

In article <769125184snz@rock.demon.co.uk>, Graham@rock.demon.co.uk (Graham Nicholls) writes:
|> In article <1994May16.205321.4163@dxcern.cern.ch>
|>            danpop@cernapo.cern.ch "Dan Pop" writes:
|> 
|> > Every ANSI C compiler is braceless!
|> > Just use ??< instead of { and ??> instead of }.
|> > If you're using gcc, don't forget the -ansi option.
|> 
|> Am I missing something? (dont say a brain, please)
|> You _cannot_ be serious! ??< every time I want a brace?
|> Or am I missing some subtle joke?

Why not? It's shorter than BEGIN annd END. :-)

-- 
     //    Chris Brown.  finger cpb1001@hermes.cam.ac.uk for my PGP public key.
 \\ //  Cambridge University Computer Society discounts officer
  \X/ Amiga - rising from the ashes.

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From: jepler@herbie.unl.edu (Jeff Epler)
Crossposted-To: unl.linux,comp.lang.c++
Subject: Learning C++ on Linux?
Date: 18 May 1994 01:22:55 GMT

I'm interested in learning C++ during my free time this summer, and
the only compiler I have easy access to is GCC on my home Linux
machine.

Does anyone know of a book that is well-suited to what I want?
 1) Isn't taylored to a DOS compiler like BC++ -- So no chapters upon
    chapters on the BGI or creating a Mouse class or installing an
    interrupt or 
 2) Is targeted at the proficient C programmer who is knowledgeless
    about this 'objects' thing.
 3) (Is this too talk an order?  A book unto itself?) Teaches me to
    program in X Windows, but certainly not Motif.
 4) Is available in electronic form.  Less necessary, but way I
    finally learned C was with some 'ctutor' program, viewing
    the text in one window of my text editor, and the code in another.
    This would be more of an added bonus than a requirement.

Also, is GCC's c++ compilation really good enough for me to learn c++?
I have read, though not understood, about how g++ is still limited
compared to 'cfront' (whatever that is -- I gather it is some
commercial c++ compiler) but I don't know if this deficiency is
anything that I'm going to be frustrated by as I take my first steps
at learning the language...

Jeff


--
Jeff Epler       echo "kill -9 -1" | su         jepler@herbie.unl.edu 
____ "Nuke the unborn gay whales for Jesus" 
\bi/                                  -- Never seen on a protest sign
 \/  1.5<kinsey<2.5      Running Linux 1.1.11 -- DOS is to boot DOOM!

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From: dminer@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Dan Miner)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: [HELP]: Hardware woes again [HDs *grrr*]
Date: 17 May 1994 19:05:03 -0600

I just bought a new 486DLC computer.  I finally got the HD
[a 420meg Conner IDE] installed.  I got everything working under
DOS.  I tried booting Linux to install it onto the machine.

Linux is getting parameters for my new HD

as 965 cyl, 17 sects, 20 head
        when it really is:
826 cyl, 63 sects, 16 heads

Linux says my ST-506 interface is proabably non-standard, which I
don't believe.  And Linux panics when is tries to write a sector
for no good reason.  :)

I have
4 meg RAM
Cyrix 486DLC with co-processor
IDE card(s) [I have tried many with no luck]
AMI BIOS [copyrighted 1992]
Trident 8900B SVGA
420meg IDE, Conner

Under AMI, type 47 specs are stored at 0:300


Is there a way to easily tell Linux what the real parameters are?
What do cause this in the first place?

Note, I believe everything works under DOS, but I don't want to 
install DOS fully.  *grin*

please reply to dminer@nyx.cs.du.edu, or tell me if I too vague.

        Thanks,
                Dan
-- 
Dan Miner                                       dminer@nyx.cs.du.edu
        "The longer I stare at this screen; the blanker it gets."
                                                Linux: try it, you'll like.
"Your program is encoded in pi."                I started with a 64

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From: buytaert@imec.be (Steven Buytaert)
Subject: Re: pthreads for linux
Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 12:30:41 GMT

Erik Rozendaal (dlrozend@cs.vu.nl) wrote:
: I've heard the pthreads library has been ported to Linux, but I
: haven't been able to find it on any Linux site, not even when using
: archie. Where can it be found? (I need it to use tasking with GNU
: Ada).

  Erik,

  Just saw this followup and saved it 2 days ago...

  [begin included followup]


Subject: Re: p-thread (pre-emptive) package: volunteers gladly accepted :)
Reply-To: soulard@sor.inria.fr

> Help is gladly accepted--we *will* bother you about it :)

Here is my "help" :

        Chris Provenzano has implemented a pthreads library that is
        based on the POSIX1003.4a Draft 8 pthread standard. It works
        on Linux as well as on *BSD and Sparc and ....
        
        It is available on  sipb.mit.edu in pub/pthreads.


                Herve Soulard.

 [end of included followup]


  Should get you started...

  --Stef

--
Steven Buytaert 

WORK buytaert@imec.be
HOME buytaert@innet.be

        'Imagination is more important then knowledge.'
                        (A. Einstein)

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From: joel@wam.umd.edu (Joel M. Hoffman)
Subject: Re: Making "nice" nicer.
Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 12:30:56 GMT

>
>   machine.  A "top -q" that only let top run would be nice.
>
>Well, I don't know which top you run, but the top that comes with
>procps has a -q flag which causes it to run without pause, and if you
>are the superuser at the highest priority.  What more can it do?

My point is not about top, but about the kernel.  Even with top
running as superuser with highest priority, it may not run very often
if the system gets overloaded.  I wish there were a way of giving a
process even higher priority than the current scheduling algorithm
allows.

-Joel
(joel@wam.umd.edu)
-- 
=============================================================================
|_|~~ Germany, Europe. 1943.    "The diameter of the bomb was 30 centimeters,
__|~| 16 Million DEAD.           and the diameter of its destruction, about 7
                                meters, and in it four killed and 11 wounded. 
 cnc  Bosnia, Europe. 1993.     And around these, in a larger circle of  pain
 cnc  HOW MANY MORE?          and time,  are scattered two  hospitals and one
                          cemetery.   But the young woman who was  buried  in
                    the place from where she came, at a distance of more than
             than 100 kilometers, enlarges the circle considerably.   And the 
      lonely man who is mourning her death in a distant  country incorporates
into the circle the whole world.  And I won't speak of the cry of the orphans
that reaches God's chair and from there makes the circle endless and godless."
=============================================================================
     Tell Clinton to stop the genocide:  president@whitehouse.gov

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From: hoeij@sci.kun.nl (Mark van Hoeij)
Subject: Re: Who is Linux targetting?
Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 12:21:40 GMT

In <2qgvvc$5n5@news1.svc.portal.com> poulet@shell.portal.com (boris leonid sheikman) writes:

>Hi,

>   I've installed Linux and have been using for about a month or two, and I 
>really enjoy using it as opposed to DOS. Call me a Linux novice, but I notice
>that the Linux and whole UNIX market is aiming somewhere above the user who
>just wants to dump DOS and Windows. I can't find a simple application like a 
>graphical word processor similar to MS-WORD or MS-WRITE (ok, simple may have
>been the wrong word). I can't even find some X sound editing tools similar
>to COOL for Windows.

This reminds me when I had a commodore 64. Then a PC with DOS was a big
computer. But there wasn't a single good game, or any funny program
for DOS at that time. Just like with DOS then, for Linux there will be
this kind of programs if the number of people using it increases.

Mark


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From: cmay@titan.ucs.umass.edu (CHRISTOPHER M MAY)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: LOGISCAN V0.0.1 released
Date: 18 May 1994 02:06:14 GMT

Well, the file made its way into the ALPHA/scanner directory on tsx-11.
Look for logiscan.tar.z, I'll let you all know how it works, but 
probably not until after finals are over.
--

-Chris May, Computer Science, University of MA, Amherst
-       Technical Assistant, P.C. Maintenance Lab


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From: dvukovic@csn.org (Donald VuKovic)
Subject: PCMCIA and Linux
Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 02:40:56 GMT


Does anyone know of an ftp site for an PCMCIA driver for Linux??

thanks in advance.

donaldV


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From: jdbrown@netcom.com (Dave Brown)
Subject: Pro Graphics Video Card  and Yggdrasil distribution
Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 13:29:08 GMT

I have a Pro Graphics 1024 video card and the Yggdrasil distribution of 
Linux. They currently don't support this card, does anyone have any idea 
when the may or if there's a driver out there somewhere ??

Thanks,

Dave
jdbrown@netcom.com

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From: evanev@Mountain.Net ()
Subject: 3C509 (Etherlink III) support
Date: 18 May 1994 14:07:26 GMT

Anyone know if support for 3COM 509 cards (Etherlink III) is being added 
or under testing, etc...

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From: adams@ms.uky.edu (Robert Adams)
Subject: fsck necessary during boot?
Date: 20 May 1994 09:47:58 -0400

Is it necessary to run fsck on every boot?  I don't leave my computer on all
the time, so every time I boot, I have to sit through the check.  Is it safe
to remove fsck, and run it by hand every so often?

Thanks,
Robert

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Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology,alt.humor.puns
From: logan@taligent.com (Logan Shaw)
Subject: Re: Streets named after programming languages
Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 18:40:03 GMT

In article <2qvjnf$6lk@icebox.mfltd.co.uk>, sml@mfltd.co.uk (Shaun Lowry) writes:
> In article <2qtkmj$euj@darkstar.ucsc.edu>,
> Van Horn <hotei@cats.ucsc.edu> wrote:
> >In <CpoxMB.7BE@dcs.ed.ac.uk> cms@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Colin Simpson) writes:
> >>Is there in Silicon Valley a street called `Disk Drive' ? 
> >
> >Disk Drive is in Scotts Valley CA.  about 20 or so miles sw of
> >San Jose.  I think Scotts Valley is the main home of some
> >corps like seagate and borland------
> 
> How much does a trip there on the local bus cost from Memory Lane?  Do foreign
> nationals need a VESA?  Inquiring minds need to know.

Actually, there's also a Disk Drive in Addison, Texas.  In Dallas, there is
a Lois Lane.

And, of course, Apple Computer's relatively new facilities are located
on Infinite Loop.

Adios,
  Logan

-- 
The genius of France can be seen at a glance
And it's not in their fabled fashion scene
It's that they're mean, or their wine, or cuisine
I refer of course to the guillotine
(the French knew how to lynch)
                T-Bone Burnett, "I Can Explain Everything"

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From: lwv26@cas.org (Larry W. Virden)
Subject: Re: BBS-development Team wanted
Reply-To: lvirden@cas.org
Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 13:46:52 GMT

You might want to look into :

What: fn and ForumNet
Where: ftp://f.ms.uky.edu/u/ftp/pub/misc/vms-fn/
Description: ForumNet - teleconferencing system,
        fn - client to access ForumNet
Contact: "Sean Casey" <sean@ms.uky.edu> ???
        "Sean Casey" <csc@pilot.njin.net> ???

-- 
:s Great net resources sought...
:s Larry W. Virden                 INET: lvirden@cas.org
:s Personal: 674 Falls Place,   Reynoldsburg, OH 43068-1614
The task of an educator should be to irrigate the desert not clear the forest.

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From: pfau@cnj.digex.net (Thomas Pfau)
Subject: Re: InfoMagic CD-ROM -- how to order?
Date: 17 May 1994 23:07:30 -0400

By phone: 800-800-6613 or in NJ, 609-683-5501.
By enet: info@infomagic.com

I have no relationship with infomagic except as a VERY satisfied
customer.
-- 
tom_p                           | I could get a new lease on life
internet:   pfau@cnj.digex.net  | if only I didn't need the first
compuserve: 73303,1136          | and last month in advance.

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From: hagan@opine.cs.umass.edu (Craig I. Hagan)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.unix.unixware,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: A good NFS server ?
Date: 20 May 1994 15:54:36 GMT

Martin Sohnius (msohnius@novell.co.uk) wrote:
> Alan Cox (iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr) wrote:
> : In article <Cq1HGz.8w1@hippo.ru.ac.za> csgr@cs.ru.ac.za writes:
> : >[.. something about Linux and freeBDS...]

> : [.. something else about Linux and something about BSD in general...]

> Hey, you guys,  this whole thread is degenerating into a little
> NFS-on-BSD discussion!

the point is to get people talking about what is a good nfs
server. since linux isn't the best, people who need the
best now should be aware of their options. people developing
for linux should know where to look for implementation ideas. 
If i remember right, *BSD got a lot of nifty ideas
from linux already (and vice versa), isn't that the point
of free software and competition (even if it is friendly)?
I like having multiple free os's for the pc. it allows
people to explore in different directions. I believe
that anthropoligists would call this a diversified gene pool,
and with all of this stuff kicking around, we can potentially
introduce some hybrid vigor into the linux nfs server/client.
I look forwards to this -- and if i have some more time,
i intend upon finishing some work on nfs' caching 
that i started for linux. If not, changing the current
(useable, but slow) implementation is pretty simple,
change the linear search to a cache -- i was working with
a MxN hash table, hash into M, linear search through N (e.g. 256x4 table)
and allow M and N to be parameters in a .h file.

i would be happy to provide my code (which doesn't yet compile)
to anyone who wants to work, as i haven't been able to look at
it for 2 months -- nfs hasn't changed since then,
so it is still drop in for any kernel.



-- craig

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From: rene@renux.frmug.fr.net (Rene COUGNENC)
Subject: Re: Standard Linux GUI
Date: 17 May 1994 23:50:37 GMT
Reply-To: cougnenc@hsc.fr.net (Rene COUGNENC)

Ce brave Andrew Appel ecrit:

> Is it just me or does anybody else feel that what the Linux (UNIX) 
> community needs is a SINGLE, STANDARD, ONLY ONE, Graphical User Interface 
> (GUI)?  The purpose of a GUI is to reduce the learning curve when moving 
> from application to application in a graphical environment.  Unfortunately, 
(...)

We have it: X-Window, and one of the free window-managers.

Everyone can have his own environment, based on his favourite window
manager and his own settings, on any machine running X11. (Not only PC's
running Linux).

For me it is more powerful than, for example, MS/Windows: I can't install
the Microsoft window-manager on the Sparcs at my job...I can't even change
it on the PC.

X11 + twm, fvwm, whatever you like, makes this possible.

What you think about is probably more a default window-manager with
default settings for all the binary distributions. This is not a bad
idea at all... or perhaps it is one, I don't know :-)

--
 linux linux linux linux -[ cougnenc@renux.frmug.fr.net ]- linux linux linux 

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Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology
From: dnichols@d-and-d.com (DoN. Nichols)
Subject: Re: Clothes named after programming languages
Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 02:40:56 GMT

In article <6859846siegman16043@EE.Stanford.EDU> siegman@Sierra.Stanford.EDU (Anthony E. Siegman) writes:
>   Well all right, this thread seems to me kind of a dumb one, but to
>go with the flow we have two 100 lb dogs, both the same age, and at
>the time we got them my wife and I both worked with computers -- so
>the all black Belgian shepherd is "Blaise" (Pascal), and the all white
>Kuvasz is "Ada" (Lovelace).

        A couple of the kittens our first cat gifted us with were adopted by
a co-worker and his wife.  They named the black one "Pascal", and the
technicolor one "Idris".  (This was during a time of many ads from
Whitesmiths, Ltd in our technical and home-computing magazines.)  If they
had taken a third one, it would have had to be named "C" to complete the
sequence/grouping.
-- 
 Email:   <dnichols@d-and-d.com>  |  ...!uunet!ceilidh!dnichols 
 Donald Nichols (DoN.)  |   Voice (Days): (703) 704-2280 (Eves): (703) 938-4564
        --- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero ---

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From: kitana!sysop@caprica.com (JL Gomez)
Subject: Linux port of AKCS BBS?
Date: 20 May 1994 09:01:51 -0500

Has anyone successfully compiled AKCS BBS software under Linux?

If so, can you send your diffs?

Thanks.

P.S.    AKCS BBS was recently made available with source code.
        Can be found at mcs.com.
-- 
sysop@kitana.org

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