Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #131
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Date:     Wed, 18 May 94 21:13:46 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #131, Volume #2                Wed, 18 May 94 21:13:46 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Streets named after programming languages (Peter Juul)
  Re: Standard Linux GUI (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Re: *base system? what would it take (Ron Smits)
  Re: Standard Linux GUI (Eric V. Bruno)
  Re: How long has your Linux Boxbeen up? (John Rodkey)
  Re: Hackers CD. (Was: Re: InfoMagic CD set - WOW!) (Mark A. Horton)
  Re: Learning C++ on Linux? (Derek Upham)
  3c579 & AC3200 the only supported 32-bit Ethernetcards ? (Klaus R. Liedl)
  Re: Is Liunx a standard UNIX? (Sujat Jamil)
  Re: linux.org springs into existance (Harald T. Alvestrand)
  Re: Slackware installation and kernel recompilation (Alex Freed)
  Re: 2 Graphiccards + 2 Monitors ?? (ps949330@rzcipa03.rz.tu-bs.de)
  Re: InfoMagic CD-ROM -- how to order? (Vir Lagua (y.a.c.c.))

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Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology,alt.humor.puns
From: rockbear@diku.dk (Peter Juul)
Subject: Re: Streets named after programming languages
Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 18:15:13 GMT

g02o@zfn.uni-bremen.de (Mark-Oliver Wolter) writes:

>Sorry - no VESA cards accepted. Ca$h only. ;-)

cache? Damn... how much :_)

-- 
c.    "It can be hard to bear to be a bear."                       o.-.o
(_"                        "To be a bear or not to be a bear"      ((^))
|\_>    "Bee bear ba loo la, she's my bearby."                    0}._.{0
\___>       -This message originated at Rockbear's terminal...     O/ \O

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From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: Standard Linux GUI
Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 16:08:55 GMT

In article <2rbl8d$nav@renux.frmug.fr.net>, cougnenc@hsc.fr.net (Rene COUGNENC) says:
+---------------
| We have it: X-Window, and one of the free window-managers.
+------------->8

How about a widget set, though?

The problem here is, there is really only one choice any more:  Motif.  :-(
We have to get some freely available Motif-clone widget set available for
Linux, because that's what everyone else has standardized/is standardizing on.

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery         kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
The FUDs at Microsoft are shouting "Kill The Wabi!"

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From: ron@draconia.hacktic.nl (Ron Smits)
Subject: Re: *base system? what would it take
Date: 18 May 1994 08:49:45 GMT

In article <1994May17.124553.14717@uk.ac.swan.pyr> iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox) writes:

   In article <2r31ts$g47@draconia.hacktic.nl> ron@draconia.hacktic.nl (Ron Smits) writes:
   >Every so often the question is asked wether there is a dbase (tm) like clone
   >for Linux or Unix. Apperently there isn't one. mbase is real nice and Ingres
   >is great (IMHO). I have written some applications using Ingres, and it's nice
   >to work with. But .. I know that a lot of people would really like it if they
   >could use there dbase(tm) or clipper(tm) sources in linux/unix.

   I keep answering this. The commercial option that works is Codebase portability
   edition which is a source code DBase library for C with all the sorting
   and some rocket fast indexing. The manual wasn't too good but the code 
   quality is excellent - and it compiles easily under Linux

Yes, I know of codebase, I think I even mentioned it in my original
post. I was looking for support to make one that could be placed in
the Public Domain/GPL. Making it free and available for all to use.

   >What would it take and would it be legal to write such a thing. I've written
   >databases before (albeit simple ones) and I'm definitly not unknown to bigger
   >projects (It's my job after all). So I would be willing to put some time and
   >effort in it. If somebody can tell me how it is organized/build up. 
   It would be quite easy to do the basics and very hard to do the fast
   indexing stuff. Have you asked around for free DOS stuff for this.

Yes, I have spoken with several of my friends who are very at home in
the DOS world. apparently there are a lof of libraries available that
do little nifty things for you, but the database enginge remains
either dbase (tm) or clipper (tm).
   Alan

I have received several mails from people who would really like a
project like that started, So my first step will be to get the
documents that were mentioned in one of them and work from there.
Don't expect a result next week, but expect something coning ``real
soon now'' :^)


--



                Ron Smits
                ron@draconia.hacktic.nl
                Ron.Smits@Netherlands.NCR.COM

/*-( My opinions are my opinions, My boss's opinions are his opinions )-*/
/*-(                They might not be the same                        )-*/

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From: eribruno@netcom.com (Eric V. Bruno)
Subject: Re: Standard Linux GUI
Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 07:22:10 GMT

In article <2rb4bu$ka6@cmcl2.NYU.EDU> Edwin Ramirez <ramirez@mchip00.med.nyu.edu> writes:
>In article <2rb3e3$bbj@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Highlander,
>tabaer@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu writes:
>>Well, OpenLook is freely available, but it's not too hot of an interface
>IMHO.
>>Maybe people can be convinced to standardize in Tcl/Tk, or the Notif
>>project if anything comes of it (not intended as a slam, I just haven't
>>heard if any progress has been made).
>
>       Having used Tcl/Tk for a while, I would propose it as a standard.  There
>is a large user base and many programs and utilities are available for
>it.  There are also people working on ports for MS-Windows and Macintosh.
> Also, its creator Dr. Ousterhout has gone to work for Sun, (Tcl/Tk
>related projects).  The software will remain in available freely and it
>is also Motif compliant.
>
>Thanks
>Edwin Ramirez

The first step would be to get Linux CD-ROMS to include xf which is GUI/
application builder for tcl/tk.  The author is lives in Berlin.

The README file follows, IMHO xf is a great package. Great
for prototypes.

===============================================================
|Eric Bruno, Santa Clara, CA       | All opinions are my own. |
|eribruno@netcom.com               |                          |
|CompuServe ID - 71540,36001       |                          |
===============================================================
===================  xf README =========================

XF: An interface builder for Tcl/Tk

What is XF ?
============
XF allows you to interactively build and modify a user
interface based upon the Tcl/Tk package. You will need the
Tcl/TK package to run XF (at least version 2.3). The output
generated by XF is a Tcl/Tk script that can be executed with
wish or any other Tcl/Tk interpreter.

The idea for XF was born when I got my fingers on BYO. You
will find that some basic concepts of BYO have been taken
for XF, but there are a lot of changed/additional
conceepts/features:

XF features:
          - provides partial support for TK 3.6 (new relief
            and new packer... see FAQ.running),
          - editing "on the fly". XF is running as a
            part of the application (not in an external
            wish),
          - editing of existing Tcl/Tk programs,
          - placing and sizing of widgets by direct
            manipulation (what I call direct manipulation :-),
          - full access to all widget attributes,
          - cut and paste functionality,
          - provides the access to "templates" (pieces
            of interface e            of interface elements and procedures that
           r (emacs :-),
          - integrates version control for procedures,
          - a help system (you should really use it if
            you get frustrated :-),
          - interactive tutorial,
          - support for xygraph, hypertext and photo,
          - allows the fast and flexible integration of
            new widget types (contact me if you have an
            interesting widget and want to integrate it
            into XF),
          - creation of widget structures via procedures,
          - modularization of the output script,
          - setting of resources for widget groups,
          - autosaving,
          - and much more to be discovered....

Requirements:
=============
This program is written for Tk 2.3, Tk 3.2 and Tk 3.6
So you need this package, especially the wish interpreter.
The support for Tk 2.3 may be not complete at some points.
Testing is mainly done with Tk 3.6.

The manual page was written for groff. With another troff, I
got terrible output, but that was probably an exotic :-).


Installation:
=============
Please unpack the XF distribution inside the directory where
XF should be "officially" located (e.g. /usr/local/lib).
The compressed tar file contains a directory tree named
"xf2.3/...". The installation procedure will not copy the XF
files to another location. When the distribution is
unpacked, you have to configure the Makefile. The Makefile
contains some file and path names that must correspond to
your system. You only have to adapt the Makefile at the top
of the distribution directory tree. For a detailed
description of the installation take a look at the file
INSTALL.

Availability:
=============
XF is available via anonymous ftp at:
        harbor.ecn.purdue.edu:  pub/tcl/contrib/code/xf2.3pl?.tar.gz
        ftp.ibp.fr:             pub/tcl/contrib/code/xf2.3pl?.tar.gz
        nic.funet.fi:           pub/languages/tcl/code/xf2.3pl?.tar.gz
        syd.dit.csiro.au:       pub/tk/contrib/code/xf2.3pl?.tar.gz
        ftp.cs.tu-berlin.de:    pub/tcl/contrib/code/xf2.3pl?.tar.gz

Please look for patchfiles beyond the archives patchlevel!!

To get a copy of it, just type the folTo get a copy of it, just type the following:

        ftp ftp.cs.tu-berlin.de
        bin
        cd pub/tcl/extensions
        get xf2.3pl?.tar.gz, or (that depends on the site)
        get xf2.3pl?.tar.Z

To get a copy via ftpmail, just send the following mail to:

        mail-server@cs.tu-berlin.de

To get a help message, send the following body:

        send HELP
        end

To retrieve TkPixmap, send the following body:

        send pub/tcl/contrib/extensions/xf2.3pl?.tar.gz
        end


Mailing list:
=============
There exist two mailing lists for XF. Take a look at the
file MAILLIST in the XF source directory.

Feedback (Author):
==================
Sven Delmas
TU Berlin, Germany
garfield@cs.tu-berlin.de


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From: rodkey@rain.org (John Rodkey)
Subject: Re: How long has your Linux Boxbeen up?
Date: 18 May 1994 00:21:24 -0700

dminor@metronet.com (David Minor) writes:

>Just out of curiosity, how long has your Linux system been up?  I have a 
>client who is using a Linux system as a DOS file server.  Due to power work
>being done over the weekend, I had to shut it down after 146 days, 22 hours
>and 7 minutes.  "Joshua" is Slackware 1.1.0 (0.99.pl13) on a 386/33 ALR.

>-Dave

Dang!   And I thought I was doing pretty good with pulsar (486/33) being up
for 64 consecutive days.  Of course, it was rebooted because of a power outage,
and it was about 50 days before that....  Still second-best.  Oh well... :)

-- 
============[[[[[[]]]]]]============
John Rodkey  rodkey@westmont.edu
Director of Academic Computing,
Westmont College, Santa Barbara, CA, USA

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From: mahmha@crl.com (Mark A. Horton)
Subject: Re: Hackers CD. (Was: Re: InfoMagic CD set - WOW!)
Date: 18 May 1994 00:57:03 -0700

Rick (pclink@qus102.qld.tne.oz.au) wrote:
: dt@yenta.yenta.abq.nm.us (David B. Thomas) writes:

: >Put me down for an AMEN BROTHER!  The infomagic linux CD set is a
: >Linux hacker's wet dream.  I've used it extensively and I'm so pleased
: >that my coworkers are geting tired of hearing about how good it is.

: Before the faithful flame me for this slightly negative comment, be
: aware that the set does as is advertised, and I'm satisfied with it.
: However, as a long time hacker, I *always* want *full* source for
: whatever I'm using.  That's why I got involved with Linux in the first
: place.  As a hacker, I also like to dabble in other areas - audio/video
: processing, AI, db's, speech synthesis, VR, GUI's, etc.

: Who's interested in a hackers CD?

: I envisage a CD with a minimum Linux runtime - kernel, boot utils, and
: compiler.  The rest of the CD is filled to capacity with gzip'ed source
: code, say 1Gb of the finest hackery.  Any takers?  Any suggestions on
: what to include?

: Rick.

Sounds like what you are looking for is the Prime-Time-Freeware 2 CD set
of Unix Software... no Linux, but 2 CDs full of source in all the areas
you mention.  You might want to give them a call.  I think their 
telephone number is : +1.408.433.9662
or email at : ptf@cfcl.com

Mark

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                "=" has the meaning "may be confused with."  

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From: upham@cs.ubc.ca (Derek Upham)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.c++,gnu.g++.help
Subject: Re: Learning C++ on Linux?
Date: 18 May 1994 16:18:05 -0700

mrs@cygnus.com (Mike Stump) writes:

>For example, gcc 2.6.0, when released will have the new ANSI C++
>boolean data type (bool, true and false).

How about template member functions of template classes?  (Why?
Because this would allow type-safe Complex<float> and Complex<double>,
among other things...)  I promise I won't ask about RTTI...

Derek

-- 
Derek Lynn Upham                               University of British Columbia
upham@cs.ubc.ca                                   Computer Science Department
=============================================================================
"Ha!  Your Leaping Tiger Kung Fu is no match for my Frightened Piglet Style!"

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From: krl@tci005.uibk.ac.at (Klaus R. Liedl)
Subject: 3c579 & AC3200 the only supported 32-bit Ethernetcards ?
Date: 17 May 1994 05:41:52 GMT

Are the 3c579 and the AC3200 really the only two supported 32-bit
(EISA or PCI) Ethernetcards ?
(The Ethernet-HOWTO says so, but I can not beleive it ...)

Thanks for any hint

Klaus
--
(Klaus.Liedl@uibk.ac.at)
======================================
LinuX the choice of the GNU-generation

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From: sujat@shasta.ee.umn.edu (Sujat Jamil)
Subject: Re: Is Liunx a standard UNIX?
Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 18:13:14 GMT

In article <CpC7p8.GzG@acsu.buffalo.edu>,
Ziniu "Michael" Wei <ziniuwei@acsu.buffalo.edu> wrote:
>H. Peter Anvin N9ITP (hpa@ahab.eecs.nwu.edu) wrote:
>
>> X/Open, which recently got the rights to the UNIX trademark, have a
>> new specification out that is a *superset* of POSIX.  An X/Open
>                                                        ^^^^^^^^^
>> compliant OS should be POSIX compliant as well.
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Typo?  
>
>should be "A POSIX compliant should be X/Open compliant as well"
>

Probably not, *if* X/Open is *indeed* a superset of POSIX.
                                        ^^^^^

Your statement would be true if POSIX was a superset of X/Open.

>--
>Ziniu Wei               CEDAR, SUNY at Buffalo       ziniuwei@cs.buffalo.edu
>~{@O3LPrT1S@T62;K@#,K{CGV;JGLx5=PB5D5XV7~}
>Old programmers never die, they just branch to a new address.


Sujat
--
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Sujat Jamil                                             Electrical Engineering
Graduate Research Assistant                             University of Minnesota
******************************sujat@shasta.ee.umn.edu**************************

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From: hta@uninett.no (Harald T. Alvestrand)
Subject: Re: linux.org springs into existance
Date: 18 May 1994 08:23:38 GMT

So far, so good (or bad).
I just wish for 2 things:

- The guy's name
- A statement of what he intends to use it for (policy, not "www and ftp").

The www server is either down or DEAD slow.
(He is connected through sprintlink.net, seen from my site; if he has
anything like what a private person can afford in terms of bandwidth,
I wouldn't *expect* it to be up 10 minutes after the announcement.
There are too many of us!)
-- 
                   Harald Tveit Alvestrand
                Harald.T.Alvestrand@uninett.no
      G=Harald;I=T;S=Alvestrand;O=uninett;P=uninett;C=no
                      +47 73 59 70 94
My son's name is Torbjxrn. The letter between "j" and "r" is o with a slash.

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From: freed@europa.mv.us.adobe.com (Alex Freed)
Subject: Re: Slackware installation and kernel recompilation
Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 18:00:04 GMT

In article <2rd3i8$st0@lynx.dac.neu.edu> zbrown@lynx.dac.neu.edu (zachary brown) writes:

   From: zbrown@lynx.dac.neu.edu (zachary brown)
   Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc
   Date: 18 May 1994 09:00:56 -0400
   Organization: Northeastern University, Boston, MA. 02115, USA
   Summary: Clarification

   [extra deleted]
   <> 
   <>    2) If I compile the kernel included in the D series without changing any
   <>    of the defaults, do I get an identical kernal to the one included on the
   <>    a series?
   > 
   > That won't be easy: if there is no config file, the "make" will try to make
   > one by asking you questions.
   > 
   What I meant was:

   If, when I make the config file, I just press <enter> to all its questions,
   would the compile produce an identical kernel to the one that comes with
   Slackware?

   In other words, if I just want to change a single aspect of the kernel,
   can I press <enter> at each prompt during make config, except for the
   prompt that controls the aspect I want to change?

Yes, that's the idea. And the next time you do the same the defaults (saved in
the config.in) will reflect the last kernel that you have compiled. Now
weather or not the original defaults have been used for one of the two kernels
that come with Slackware is a different story. If I remember right there are
log files in Slackware distribution that you can verify against the config.in




-- 
 _______________________________________________________
| -Alex Freed (The opinions expressed are my own.       |                   
|               However everyone is entitled to them.)  |                   
| freed@adobe.com                                       |
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From: ps949330@rzcipa03.rz.tu-bs.de
Subject: Re: 2 Graphiccards + 2 Monitors ??
Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 15:48:55 GMT

Hi Holger!
There is NO problem at all in doing so. Linux will automagically show
the lilo prompt etc. on the VGA card. Then you simply start the aprobiate
X-Server (XF86_MACH32 ??) in your case. I and some friends of mine have a
similar configuration running for several month now
(et4000/14" & 8514a comp./19").
We added a little patch for not having the 19" screen go blck when switching
to a text console, but it isnt realy nessecary.
Happe linux-ing
-olf
--
Swap the swapper!

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From: vir@xmission.com (Vir Lagua (y.a.c.c.))
Subject: Re: InfoMagic CD-ROM -- how to order?
Date: 17 May 1994 18:25:58 GMT

horne@leader.pfc.mit.edu wrote:
: I've read many good things lately about the InfoMagic 2-CD deal,
: but I must have missed the original advertisement.
: How do I order it?  I have looked around a bit -- c.o.l.a, .m, .h,
: distribution how-to and it hasn't jumped out at me.
:                                         Thanks
:                                                 Steve
:                                                 horne@leader.pfc.mit.edu

        1.800.800.6613

        I am not connected with InfoMagic.

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