Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #128
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Date:     Wed, 18 May 94 09:13:18 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #128, Volume #2                Wed, 18 May 94 09:13:18 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Openwin Screenlock psswd? (Jonathan Sykes)
  Re: Purify - non-commercial version? (Thomas G. McWilliams)
  Re: Who are you & what do you do w/ Linux? (David - Foulds)
  Re: Yggdrasil 1.1 (jayv@wnsnews.com)
  Yggdrasil : Plug and Play Linux (jayv@wnsnews.com)
  Re: Cdroms.. what NOW?  (no Cd-rom a month.. no LGX, etc) (jayv@wnsnews.com)
  Linux compatibility of ethernet adapter. (Subir Biswas)
  Re: linux 1.1.12 and gcc 2.4.5? (Graham Chapman)
  Re: BRIEF/vi Compatible GUI Text Editor (Robert Broughton)
  ISDN card drivers for Linux? (Jeremy Fitzhardinge)
  Re: Clothes named after programming languages (Dan Pop)
  Re: linux.org springs into existance (Robert Sanders)
  [WANTED]:  Linux Administration Docs... (Brent E Paddon)
  Re: Streets named after programming languages (Johan Bengtsson)
  Arguments for Unix vs DOS (Mark Tarrabain)
  Re: [WANTED]:  Linux Administration Docs... (Bill West)
  Re: [WANTED]:  Linux Administration Docs... (Bill West)
  Re: ISDN card drivers for Linux? (Jamie Honan)

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From: jsykes@asic.sc.ti.com (Jonathan Sykes)
Subject: Re: Openwin Screenlock psswd?
Reply-To: jsykes@asic.sc.ti.com
Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 16:10:24 GMT

I've found that if you have a password longer than 8 characters the openwin
screenlock will only work if you type the first 8 characters. If you type the
whole word it reports an invalid password.

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_________()/ ()_______________________________________________________________
Jonathan Sykes                                           jsykes@asic.sc.ti.com
Design Automation Div.                                          (214) 997-2916 
Texas Instruments Inc. Dallas, Tx.         



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From: tgm@netcom.com (Thomas G. McWilliams)
Subject: Re: Purify - non-commercial version?
Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 23:35:38 GMT

Ian Chard (chardi@cs.man.ac.uk) wrote:
: I remember reading somewhere that there is a non-commercial
: version of purify for Linux - but I can't remember what it's
: called.  If you know, I would really appreciate it if you could
: mail me and tell me where to get it!

There is a Linux package called Checker 0.4 that offers similar
function.  Checker was written by Tristan Gingold
(marc@david.saclay.cea.fr).  It is available from sunsite.unc.edu 
in /pub/Linux/devel/c. Make sure that you get the latest version
which I believe is 0.4. The latest version is *not* at tsx-11.
You'll have to get it from sunsite.unc.edu.

I highly recommend Checker. Checker 0.4 is very powerful and
includes special debugging versions of the standard and X
libraries. It will find leaks, stray pointers, improperly
freed memory, all the devils. It seems to have finer granularity
than some of the malloc debugging aids which I've used, and
consequently it seems to catch errors missed by other packages.

Note that there is a slightly less ambitious debugging malloc
package at tsx-11.mit.edu which is not bad, and somewhat useful
too. It is called dbmalloc and it is found in the archive
dbmalloc_1.14L.tar.z. However, Checker ranks as the king of the
free software Purify challengers. Like Linux, Checker is
protected by the GNU GPL.

Thomas
tgm@netcom.com

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From: foulds@shell.portal.com (David - Foulds)
Subject: Re: Who are you & what do you do w/ Linux?
Date: 18 May 1994 05:58:07 GMT

bau1@cornell.edu               (Bogdan Urma) writes:

>    After reading through the comp.os.linux groups for the past couple
>of months, I keep running into the same names, and out of curiosity I 
>would like to know how you people got introduced to Linux and what you
>use Linux for. I think it would be kind of interesting to see what 
>people use Linux for. Also, who is this person lilo, who pops up everywhere?
>Reply here, not by e-mail, so that everyone could read about you!

>Bogdan Urma
>E-mail:bau1@cornell.ed

This article reminded me of my days under the boot of an MIS 
department head who sent out a memo demanding to know who
was this user called 'NULL' who was hogging the CPU all the time?
(This was on a VAX 8650)

Cheers, David
w
S

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From: jayv@wnsnews.com
Subject: Re: Yggdrasil 1.1
Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 10:33:18 GMT

Henry O. Farad (lrc@netcom.com) wrote:
: Just thought that I'd let people know, The summer release of
: Yggdrasil is out.  They are furiously working on shipping out
: the orders they have.

: I've installed it on my system and I'm basically very happy with 
: it.  It is much easier to deal with the installation than on
: the winter release.  As with anything, I have a few minor gripes,
: but as I said, it is a major improvevment over the previous.

I have to agree with you - the new Plug-And-Play release is good.  I
particularly like Yggdrasil's approach to getting people up and running
on the Internet - interesting option for a distributor!

j.


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From: jayv@wnsnews.com
Subject: Yggdrasil : Plug and Play Linux
Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 10:36:05 GMT

I just received the new Yggdrasil release of Linux (Called "Plug and Play"
due to it's instant up-and-running'edness...) and I have a question for
anyone else that has this distribution:

I have Intel EtherExpress ethernet cards, and did not see this card included
in the list of supported cards.  Does anyone have any idea how the Yggdrasil
release deals with these cards - do they use a supported chipset or am I going
to have to rebuild the kernel with a new driver from someone somewhere?

Overall I am very satisfied with the Yggdrasil distributions - very easy
to use and there's nothing like having it all on one CD-ROM.  Combined
with the Walnut Creek "LINUX TOOLS" CD-ROM, I can kiss Microsoft goodbye!

j.


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From: jayv@wnsnews.com
Subject: Re: Cdroms.. what NOW?  (no Cd-rom a month.. no LGX, etc)
Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 10:36:51 GMT

Tibor Polgar (tlp00@mtlyell.spg.amdahl.com) wrote:
: In article <1994May10.024532.20979@kf8nh.wariat.org> bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) writes:
:  > In article <TLP00.94May9165750@mtlyell.spg.amdahl.com>, tlp00@mtlyell.spg.amdahl.com (Tibor Polgar) says:
:  > +---------------
:  > | P.S. Rumor is that the new summer release is shipping on monday.  Its got a
:  > | andrew and Lucid emacs. New one will have full x11r6.  Hope that don't do a Jana
:  > +------------->8

:  > I sincerely hope they don't try to ship R6 on Monday... at least, not
:  > binaries.  It's not ready yet (watch for XFree86-3.1 with the X11R6 contrib
:  > release, though).

: Just the raw source i think.  No patches applied.  good for curiosity only i guess.

: -- 
: Tibor Polgar
: tlp00@spg.amdahl.com, Amdahl Corp, ph.(408) 944-3500

I have the new Yggdrasil release and it is very good.  Installed easy, works
great with my system configuration - easier to install than Windows!

j.

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From: skb@cl.cam.ac.uk (Subir Biswas)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,ucam.comp.linux,comp.sys.laptops
Subject: Linux compatibility of ethernet adapter.
Date: 17 May 1994 20:23:54 GMT


Hi,

I am about to buy a second hand parallel port etherner adapter
for my laptop computer. Specifications -

Make:             Lantech

Connector:        BOTH coaxial (10Base-2) &
                  twisted pair (10Base-T) Ethernet cables.

I/O port address: 278h, 378h, 3bch (autoselect)

Memory:           32KB 

Interrupt:        IRQ (autoselect) 5 or 7

Transfer rate:    10Mbit/s transfer rate


I would like to know if anybody out there has any experience of
using such a device and how does it perform generally! More
important - is there a device driver available for Linux so that
I can plug my 'linuxing' notebook in the internet. 

Any sort if information regarding this will be appreciated! I
want to be quite sure before I spend some money on it. Please
reply by e_mail.

Thank you.

- Subir

=========================================================================
Subir Kumar Biswas                               Tel: +44-223-344618
Computer Laboratory                              Fax: +44-223-334678
University of Cambridge                          E_mail: skb@cl.cam.ac.uk
Cambridge CB2 3QG, UK.
=========================================================================



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From: grahamc@kralizec.zeta.org.au (Graham Chapman)
Crossposted-To: aus.computers.linux,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: linux 1.1.12 and gcc 2.4.5?
Date: 18 May 1994 18:59:13 +1000

In <1994May17.105949.12731@muffin.apana.org.au> cas@muffin.apana.org.au (Craig Sanders) writes:

>> Having done it once, I might go for a binary install next time I
>> upgrade, but where can I get a full binary release which is complete
>> and consistent etc?

>try monu1.cc.monash.edu.au.

>I thing I got my copy from loose.apana.org.au.  Or maybe from sunsite.

>-- 
>Craig Sanders                                     cas@muffin.apana.org.au

I know the mirror sites, what I actually meant was: what specific packages
do I look for. The only ones I've seen so far are source-only, so obviously
I'm looking at the wrong ones.

Thanks for the advice so far

Graham

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From: Robert_Broughton@mindlink.bc.ca (Robert Broughton)
Subject: Re: BRIEF/vi Compatible GUI Text Editor
Date: Tue, 17 May 94 23:10:42 -0700 (PDT)

In article <2rb5lt$1eg@newsserv.cs.sunysb.edu>, vassili@cs.sunysb.edu
(Vassili Leonov) writes:
>
> Rohit Mehrotra (rohit@metronet.com) wrote:
> : Hello,
>
> : The purpose of this mail is to announce the availability of CRISP 4.1.9
> via
> : anonymous FTP.
>
> I have downloaded the stuff - and - unlike most Linux software it
> won't run after following the INSTALL document (though much of the
> install document is about entering passwords and IDs and such...)
> So - in a text mode it says:
> *** CRISP has failed to locate the 'crisp.cm' startup macro.
> In the X-Windows mode it just says:
> >vcr
> vcr: can't load library '//usr/openwin/lib/libxv3.so.2'
>         No such library.
> and YES - such library is not in the Linux openwin distribution.
> And of course no 'crisp.cm' is present nowhere in the tar that I've
> gownloaded from /vendor/vital/linux crbin1.gz
>

It's in crbin2.gz.

From INSTALL.LINUX:

>
> STEP 5:         Change directory to /usr/local or to any other directory
>                 where you would like to install crisp. Distribution will
>                 automatically make a sub-directory called crisp. You may
> have to set the variables CRHELP and CRPATH if installation
> is not done in the /usr/local directory.
>                         cd /usr/local   or
>                         cd <install-directory>

The file crisp.cm (along with all the other *.cm files) should be in
/usr/local/crisp/macros. If it isn't, you'll have to set CRPATH to
wherever the *.cm files are.

There is a mistake in INSTALL.LINUX, by the way; You must type vcr rather
than mcr to start the XWindow version.

I didn't have the "missing shared library" problem that some others
have complained about. I have libxv3.so.2 linked to libxv3.so.2.0, in
the directory /lib.

Also, I saw a price tag of $300 for Crisp posted here. There are several
different types of Crisp licenses. I suspect that all that most Linux
users need is a single-user, single-execution license. The price I was
quoted for this (sans manual) is $99. The manual is OK, but you can
get by without it.


--
*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*

Robert Broughton    Robert_Broughton@mindlink.bc.ca

"We calm and reassure. We embrace people with the message that we're
all in it together. That our leaders are infallible and that there is
nothing, absolutely nothing wrong." - Miles Drentell, _thirtysomething_

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From: jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au (Jeremy Fitzhardinge)
Crossposted-To: aus.computers.linux,comp.dcom.isdn
Subject: ISDN card drivers for Linux?
Date: 18 May 94 07:32:47 GMT

This is just a general query to find out what drivers there are
for ISDN cards, and if it makes a difference, what kinds.

We're looking at setting up a Linux box as an ISDN gateway
machine, and we're wondering if we need to write a driver for
any card we may get.

We'd be happy with ahpha, beta test/prerelease versions, and
could actively help develop/debug a driver.

Also, what PC ISDN cards available approved for use in Australia?

        J

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Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology
From: danpop@cernapo.cern.ch (Dan Pop)
Subject: Re: Clothes named after programming languages
Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 10:48:47 GMT

In <cairnss.769226559@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> cairnss@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Queenie) writes:

>Bug.  
>(void)printf("What???!\n");
>outputs
>  What?|
>fix
>  use "What\?\?\?\!\n" instead.
>
>So much typing for so few keyboards.  
>
Shorter fixes: "What??""?!\n" or "What??\?!\n".

>Can you say K&R C?  I can. :)
>
I can, too, but I don't dare :-)

Dan
-- 
Dan Pop 
CERN, CN Division
Email: danpop@cernapo.cern.ch
Mail:  CERN - PPE, Bat. 31 R-004, CH-1211 Geneve 23, Switzerland

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From: gt8134b@prism.gatech.edu (Robert Sanders)
Subject: Re: linux.org springs into existance
Date: 18 May 1994 07:14:17 -0400

hta@uninett.no (Harald T. Alvestrand) writes:

>So far, so good (or bad).
>I just wish for 2 things:

>- The guy's name
>- A statement of what he intends to use it for (policy, not "www and ftp").

I think the problem with the distributed nature of Linux development
is not that everyone's spread out, but that people can disappear so
easily.  If someone puts his address on a program one year and leaves
school (or switches jobs) the next, a lot of users are stranded.  A
centralized mailing address "switch" for those involved in Linux
would help to alleviate that: if I move, I simply update my alias
at linux.org.

There are other uses, I'm sure, and I hope linux.org is successful.


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From: ci084@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brent E Paddon)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: [WANTED]:  Linux Administration Docs...
Date: 18 May 1994 11:27:51 GMT
Reply-To: ci084@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Brent E Paddon)



Hi people,

Does anyone out there know of anywhere to get hold of some
good documentation on general administration for Linux??

Prefer Postscript but anything will do....

Thanks 
Brent

-- 
=========================================================================
 Brent Paddon       /     ci084@cleveland.freenet.edu
 01161636           /     itb531paddon@acacia.qut.edu.au
=========================================================================

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From: johanb@Student.DoCS.UU.SE (Johan Bengtsson)
Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Streets named after programming languages
Date: 18 May 1994 11:25:50 GMT

In article <1994May13.014932.32390@hulaw1.harvard.edu> hemr@hulaw1.harvard.edu (Kurt Wm. Hemr, Harvard Law School) writes:
> 
> Apropos of Commodore's death [Warning: impending topic drift]
> does anyone remember a language called COMAL?  Did this language
> ever exist on a system besides the C64?  If not, any reason why?
> 
 Here in Sweden the national board of education put in a lot of money
 in a sytem called Compis, (a 80186-based machine running CP/m-86),
 and the programming language they forced on all schools using that
 sytem was COMAL.

 

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From: Mark_Tarrabain@mindlink.bc.ca (Mark Tarrabain)
Subject: Arguments for Unix vs DOS
Date: Mon, 16 May 94 20:32:57 -0700 (PDT)

  Now I'm certain that there are hundreds (if not thousands) of reasons,
but there is a person that I work with who has remained unconvinced in the
12 months that he and I have been working together.  I've tried mentioning
the usual: doing more than one thing at one time, longer filenames, simpler
cross-platform development... but I haven't quite got him convinced... So,
I'm asking for some help here.
  As I see it, his decision on whether to switch rests on how easy it is to
debug source code under Unix.  Having never used a debugger in the Unix
environment, I couldn't exactly address this issue.  So... the big question
is this: Is there anything comparable to the Borland IDE for DOS under
Linux?  I suppose we could always run it under a DOS emulator, but somehow
I think that would defeat the purpose of switching from DOS in the first
place.
  Anyways, I'm not asking for something that has ALL the bells and
whistles... but it should handle at least the following, all without
leaving the editor environment:
   You can run the compiler directly from the editor, errors moving the
cursor to the correct position in the source code.
   You can execute a program and set breakpoints in it, executing to that
point.
   Ability to step through the code line by line (both into and around
function calls).
   Ability to examine the contents of any variables in the currently
executing scope (must be able to handle displaying multiple variables
simultaneously as well as handle complex data types such as arrays and
structures).

  That's about it.  Does it exist?  Can it be done?  If not, why not?  (If
I'm going to have to write code for DOS until the cows come home, I dang
well wanna know how come.)

  Please respond via email only.

  Thanks in advance,
>> Mark

--
The economical one-line .signature: Mark_Tarrabain@mindlink.bc.ca

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From: billw@news.neosoft.com (Bill West)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: [WANTED]:  Linux Administration Docs...
Date: 18 May 1994 11:37:16 GMT

Brent E Paddon (ci084@cleveland.Freenet.Edu) wrote:


: Hi people,

: Does anyone out there know of anywhere to get hold of some
: good documentation on general administration for Linux??

: Prefer Postscript but anything will do....

: Thanks 
: Brent

: -- 
: =========================================================================
:  Brent Paddon       /     ci084@cleveland.freenet.edu
:  01161636           /     itb531paddon@acacia.qut.edu.au
: =========================================================================

--
******************************************************************************
Bill West
Houston TX
email: billw@starbase.neosoft.com
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From: billw@news.neosoft.com (Bill West)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: [WANTED]:  Linux Administration Docs...
Date: 18 May 1994 11:43:09 GMT

Sorry about the previous blank reply
try sunsite.unc.edu  /pub/Linux/docs/LDP

They are not finished yet but there is still some useful info there
--
******************************************************************************
Bill West
Houston TX
email: billw@starbase.neosoft.com
******************************************************************************

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From: jhonan@jolt.mpx.com.au (Jamie Honan)
Crossposted-To: aus.computers.linux,comp.dcom.isdn
Subject: Re: ISDN card drivers for Linux?
Date: 18 May 1994 11:02:45 GMT

jeremy@sour.sw.oz.au (Jeremy Fitzhardinge) writes:

>This is just a general query to find out what drivers there are
>for ISDN cards, and if it makes a difference, what kinds.

>We're looking at setting up a Linux box as an ISDN gateway
>machine, and we're wondering if we need to write a driver for
>any card we may get.

>We'd be happy with ahpha, beta test/prerelease versions, and
>could actively help develop/debug a driver.

>Also, what PC ISDN cards available approved for use in Australia?

>       J
I went through this exercise about a year ago. 

At the time Austel gave me a list of ISDN PC cards that were approved.
I contacted all the people, saying that I was prepared to work on a
driver, provided I could publish the source of same.

At that time (the situation may have changed since then) there were only
two reasonably priced cards: the one sold by Telecom, a rebadged
'Stohlman', and a 'Design Two Thousand', marketed by JNA.

(There exist other approved cards: IBM, HP, NCR, ISIS, Mitel, and
JTech - they are all expensive)

The Design Two Thousand actually looks the best (you can use both B
channels for Data - it also operates to some extent with the PC
off), but I never actually got through to JNA what GNU means etc. etc.
(They were enthusiastic, I know a number of people there, but kept
talking non-disclosure etc.). In the end I gave up becuase the cards
cost (ahem) over two thousand dollars.

I'm still interested in the idea myself, but after I put the line in,
buy the card, I then have to write code, which (essentially) helps
JNA sell more cards. Somehow I don't feel as though I'd be coming out
ahead here!

Amongst the most popular cards in Europe are the Diehl (German). There
are Linux driver's for these. I'm not sure if these are dumb or smart
cards (or if they have a range).

These are also reasonably priced (figures of DM 500). The problem is
Austel approval. The testing process was quoted to me by Austel as
$30,000. Private conversation with companies that have actually gone
through the process put the figure at more like $100,000. You have
to sell a lot of cards to make this worth while.... maybe this has
changed since then

Just to round off this long-winded article: I don't recommend external
TA's. You lose too much bandwidth in 'framing'.

For me, probably the simplest thing to do is use V.FC modems. You also
don't have timed local calls.

Regards,
Jamie


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