Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #127
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Linux-Misc Digest #127, Volume #2                Wed, 18 May 94 07:13:10 EDT

Contents:
  GNU Manifesto and Lisp window system  was Re: linux unethical ? (Andrew Bulhak)
  Keeping data structures in memory (Terence Davis)
  Re: Standard Linux GUI (Mike Harvey)
  Re: COMAL language (was: Re: Streets named after programming languages) (A Myles)
  Re: BRIEF/vi Compatible GUI Text Editor (Rob Savoye)
  Re: Clothes named after programming languages (lilo)
  Re: GNU Manifesto and Lisp window system  was Re: linux unethical ? (Bill Janssen)
  Re: Clothes named after programming lang (Richard N. Turner)
  Re: Linux in PC Week again (May 9th issue) (Tim Smith)
  ALPHA Linux (Elan Feingold)
  Re: Who are you & what do you do w/ Linux? (Paul Tomblin)
  Is SLS on the net (Dave Davey)
  Looking for an X mail reader (Dave Thomas)
  [SU PASSWD] Getting a password to SU (Dave Thomas)
  Xfig on laptop; size problem?? (Subir Biswas)
  Re: Streets named after programming languages  (Queenie)
  Linux & DEC ALPHAs...II (Dwight M Evers)
  Re: Keeping data structures in memory (Alex Ramos)
  Re: Linux in PC Week again (May 9th issue) (Grant Edwards)
  Re: Learning C++ on Linux? (Paul Kenyon)
  Purify - non-commercial version? (Ian Chard)
  Re: Please help: trouble configuring network (Luke M Kaven)
  Re: What Linux CD distribution to buy? (Steve Brown)

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From: acbul1@penfold.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew Bulhak)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: GNU Manifesto and Lisp window system  was Re: linux unethical ?
Date: 18 May 1994 04:11:38 GMT

Michael Griffith (grif@corsa.ucr.edu) wrote:

:    So far we have an Emacs text editor with Lisp for writing editor
: commands, a source level debugger, a yacc-compatible parser generator,
: a linker, and around 35 utilities.  A shell (command interpreter) is
: nearly completed.  A new portable optimizing C compiler has compiled
: itself and may be released this year.  An initial kernel exists but
: many more features are needed to emulate Unix.  When the kernel and
: compiler are finished, it will be possible to distribute a GNU system
: suitable for program development.  We will use TeX as our text
: formatter, but an nroff is being worked on.  We will use the free,
: portable X window system as well.  After this we will add a portable
: Common Lisp, an Empire game, a spreadsheet, and hundreds of other
: things, plus on-line documentation.  We hope to supply, eventually,
: everything useful that normally comes with a Unix system, and more.

:    GNU will be able to run Unix programs, but will not be identical to
: Unix.  We will make all improvements that are convenient, based on our
: experience with other operating systems.  In particular, we plan to
: have longer file names, file version numbers, a crashproof file system,
: file name completion perhaps, terminal-independent display support, and
: perhaps eventually a Lisp-based window system through which several
: Lisp programs and ordinary Unix programs can share a screen.  Both C
: and Lisp will be available as system programming languages.  We will
: try to support UUCP, MIT Chaosnet, and Internet protocols for
: communication.

A Lisp-based window system? Is that still happening?

--
Andrew Bulhak            acb@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au
The only person more evil than Kibo!

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
From: terence@soldev.tti.com (Terence Davis)
Subject: Keeping data structures in memory
Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 02:33:29 GMT


Hi,

  A student in a class of mine wants to be able to keep large data structures, 
i.e. 10 or more megabytes, in RAM.  He wants to force the objects into RAM and 
doesn't want them paged out.  Assuming he has enough real RAM, what's the 
algorithm Linux uses to page stuff out.  Is there a way to lock the memory for 
particular data structures in RAM?

Thanks,

Terry (terence@soldev.tti.com)


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From: mike@cs.pdx.edu (Mike Harvey)
Subject: Re: Standard Linux GUI
Date: 17 May 1994 13:18:32 -0700

aappel@panix.com (Andrew Appel) writes:

>Is it just me or does anybody else feel that what the Linux (UNIX) 
>community needs is a SINGLE, STANDARD, ONLY ONE, Graphical User Interface 
>(GUI)?  The purpose of a GUI is to reduce the learning curve when moving 
>from application to application in a graphical environment.  Unfortunately, 
>due to the lack of any real (FREE) standards, it is just as aggravating 
>to move between many X applications as it is between most TEXT applications.

>I'd love to see Linux workstations in every home, every office, all 
>across America and the World, but the reality is that Microsoft Windows, 
>Macintosh, and NextStep are all standard GUIs that the average users can 
>figure out.  For those of you who don't understand purchasing in large 
>corporations: "IT IS THOSE AVERAGE USERS, NOT THE TECH WEENIES, THAT ARE 
>MAKING THE PURCHASING DECISIONS!"

>Any comments?  (ANDY)

What about fvwm, the default interface which comes with Slackware?
It's my favorite of the ones included in the distribution and the easiest
to sit down and use without reading any manpages.  It looks nice and
has nice easily-configurable popup menus.  It beats MS windows and OS/2
PM hands down, IMHO.  If it is too simple/nonpowerful it could probably
be beefed up a bit, though I think its probably adequate for average
users.  Also, I think its free... 

>P.S.  Before you mention MOTIF remember that it also is not free!

Mike

-- 
Mike Harvey
mike@cs.pdx.edu
Put all things to the test; keep what is good. 

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Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers
From: ajmy@festival.ed.ac.uk (A Myles)
Subject: Re: COMAL language (was: Re: Streets named after programming languages)
Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 19:27:17 GMT

A.M.Wall@newcastle.ac.uk (A.M.Wall) writes:

>In article <HAGEN.94May17133147@verdande.iesd.auc.dk> hagen@iesd.auc.dk (Jesper Hagen) writes:
>>>>>>> "Ben" == Ben Coleman <benc@netcom.com> writes:
>>
[ker-snip!]
>>
>>    Ben> I seem to remember it eventually being ported to the PC.
>>    Ben> Ben
>>It was also ported to the Commodore Amiga.
>>
>>Hagen
>There was a version for the BBC micro.

The "computer studies" SCE o-grade syllabus was only really on the way in
back when I left high school in 1988, so I don't know may people who did
it (I never).

Seemingly COMAL was one of, if not the, standard language that that course
used. This may explain the BBC micro port. Many of the BBCs in our school
certainly had COMAL interpreters. From what I ever saw of it, it reminded
me of LOGO.

Until this thread popped up, I'd never even heard it mentioned for
years. I don't know why it was selected as a/the language of choice,
however.

Andy.

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From: rob@Cygnus.COM (Rob Savoye)
Subject: Re: BRIEF/vi Compatible GUI Text Editor
Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 01:04:50 GMT

whb@rastaban.usc.edu (Win Bent) writes:

>In article <ann-8651.769136143@cs.cornell.edu> Rohit Mehrotra <rohit@metronet.com> writes:
>>
>>The purpose of this mail is to announce the availability of CRISP 4.1.9 via 
>>anonymous FTP.
>>
>> [misc. features and rave reviews deleted]
>>
>>For information regarding its availability, features, pricing etc., send a 
>>mail detailing your requirements to:

>Sounds nice.  Oh, what's that?  "Pricing"?  Let's see...  It turns out
>that a Fixed License to CRISP costs $300.

  Also to note, is that unlike the rest of Unix, none of the newer versions
of crisp past 2.2.e (many years old) have the source released. I personally
don't like the idea of taking all the source of a decent program proprietary.
A truly free (GPL'd) systems like Linux shouldn't be ruined by "non-free"
software. (I don't run motif on Linux either)

        - rob -
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From: lilo@slip-4-15 (lilo)
Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Clothes named after programming languages
Date: 14 May 1994 05:09:01 GMT

On 13 May 1994 18:43:38 GMT, James H. Haynes (haynes@cats.ucsc.edu) wrote:

> You can get Basic or Pascal jeans in the Guess? brand.  Presumably COBOL
> writers wear suits and not jeans.  Anybody know where to get appropriate
> wear for C and Fortran?  LISP?  Perl? C++?   (Surely one of these will
> get someone's nomination as the emperor who wears no clothes.)
> -- 

My s.o. likes it when I wear "object-oriented" clothing, but I'm not sure
that was what you had in mind...?  :)



lilo

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From: janssen@holmes.PARC.Xerox.Com (Bill Janssen)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU Manifesto and Lisp window system  was Re: linux unethical ?
Date: 18 May 1994 06:23:43 GMT

In article <2rc4hq$cvd@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au> acbul1@penfold.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew Bulhak) writes:

   A Lisp-based window system? Is that still happening?

You mean, aside from GNU Emacs?

Bill
--
 Bill Janssen  <janssen@parc.xerox.com> (415) 812-4763  FAX: (415) 812-4777
 Xerox Palo Alto Research Center, 3333 Coyote Hill Rd, Palo Alto, CA  94304
 URL:  http://pubweb.parc.xerox.com/hypertext/people/BillJanssen.html

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From: rnturn@delphi.com (Richard N. Turner)
Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibol
Subject: Re: Clothes named after programming lang
Date: 18 May 1994 04:23:18 GMT

>> >For C/C++ programmers, the obvious thing to wear would be a set of
>> >matching braces.
>>  
>> { Notice: this joke may be puzzling for some readers in the States }
> 
>this is, of course, because most American C compilers don't use {}'s
>because American keyboards don't have a { key.   
 
Huh?  Watch this!  { }  They're on *my* keyboard and my C compiler
recognizes them too!  Uh, which American keyboard are you referring to?

--RNT


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From: tzs@u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Subject: Re: Linux in PC Week again (May 9th issue)
Date: 18 May 1994 03:47:08 GMT

gsnyder <Gerald_C_Snyder@ccmail.jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>>To anyone that is thinking of buying a computer, I'd wait a bit, and see what 
>>the Pentium, 486DX4, and PowerPC does to the high-end 486dx2 market.
>
>Ah, the never-ending wait.  Soon the Sexium and 486dx10-1000 will
>be driving down the prices of Pentia and DX4's.
>
>Of course, the basic thought is right. If you don't _need_ to buy now,
>wait and you will get more for your money.

I once added up the cost of all the hardware I've bought in the 10 years
or so since I got my first personal computer.  Dividing that by 120 to
get a monthly cost, it comes to about $200/month.

For about $200/month, I could have just leased the stuff, and then I could've 
switched to the latest and greatest each year.  This might be something
worth thinking about for those of you who always want something more than
you have.

--Tim Smith

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From: elan@tasha.cheme.cornell.edu (Elan Feingold)
Subject: ALPHA Linux
Date: 18 May 1994 01:01:14 GMT
Reply-To: elan@tasha.cheme.cornell.edu (Elan Feingold)


Will it run on the DECpc + ALPHA daughterboard?

Just curious...

elan

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|  Cornell University  |     ( .sig currently under construction )     |
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From: ptomblin@gandalf.ca (Paul Tomblin)
Subject: Re: Who are you & what do you do w/ Linux?
Date: 17 May 1994 23:46:48 -0400
Reply-To: ptomblin@gandalf.ca

bau1@cornell.edu               (Bogdan Urma) writes:

>    After reading through the comp.os.linux groups for the past couple
>of months, I keep running into the same names, and out of curiosity I 
>would like to know how you people got introduced to Linux and what you
>use Linux for. I think it would be kind of interesting to see what 
>people use Linux for. Also, who is this person lilo, who pops up everywhere?
>Reply here, not by e-mail, so that everyone could read about you!

Ok, I'm vain.

I started using Linux last summer.  I'd been hearing about it, and was
actually on a mailing list with Matt Welsh, so I was getting interested in
it, when I got offered a job at Gandalf.

We use a network of 10 Linux boxes, with some proprietary hardware and a
series of programs that I'm maintaining and expanding to test Gandalf's
networking products.  In it's first major use, the AutoLAN product tested the
RLAN ISDN product thoroughly, running a test suite that would have taken 30
days to do manually in the past in 18 hours.  And for the most part, it runs
automatically.

The Linux boxes we have at work use Slackware 1.2.0, which I ftp'ed onto a
Sparc here, and then installed using NFS.  When I started, we were using SLS
1.03.  Boy, what a difference!  The machines we have range from a 386DX-40, a
bunch of 486DX-25s, and 3 486DX2/66s (VLB, S3 video cards).  None of them has
more than 8Mb of RAM, which is too little in my opinion.

I'm going to be writing an article for Linux Journal on the technical side of
what we do here.  Look for it.

At home, I have a 486DX-33 with 16Mb of RAM.  Because of the RAM, I'd rate it
faster than the DX2s at work, except when playing fly8 (because I don't have
VLB and S3 video).  I have a CD-ROM on my machine at home, and it currently
has the Trans-Ameritech CD permanently installed in it (I use it for the man
pages and fonts).  I'm about to order something more up-to-date, either the
newest Trans-Ameritech CD or the Ydraggsil CD.

-- 
Paul Tomblin, Head - Automation Design Group.
Gandalf Canada Limited
This is not an official statement of Gandalf, or of Vicki Robinson.
"Hello, this is Linus Torvalds, and I pronounce Linux as Linux"

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Crossposted-To: aus.computers.linux,comp.os.linux.help
From: daved@cortex.physiol.su.oz.au (Dave Davey)
Subject: Is SLS on the net
Date: Wed, 18 May 1994 02:01:31 GMT

The subject says it all.  I'm hoping to send something to softlanding
electronically.

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From: dave@thomases.demon.co.uk (Dave Thomas)
Subject: Looking for an X mail reader
Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 16:11:22 +0000


I'm looking for a X mail reader with a straightforward user
interface - casual users of my machine don't much care for VM!

I've looked at xmailtool, but I run smail, and don't want to
replace my ``mail'' command with the BSD version. 

Any suggestions?

TIA  

Dave


From______________________________________________________________
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| Tel: +44 753 833760 - email: dave@thomases.demon.co.uk          |       
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From______________________________________________________________
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| Tel: +44 753 833760 - email: dave@thomases.demon.co.uk          |       

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From: dave@thomases.demon.co.uk (Dave Thomas)
Subject: [SU PASSWD] Getting a password to SU
Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 16:16:33 +0000



I've a shell script that starts up DIP/SLIP. It has to be run as
root.

I'm looking for a way of running it from non-privileged sessions.
However,
      
        ``su - -c start.dip''

opens /dev/tty and reads the root password from it. I can't
overcome this behaviour (I tried renaming /dev/tty, sticking my
password in a file called /dev/tty and letting su read that - it
checks that /dev/tty _is_ a tty!). 

So, how can I hack this so I can start DIP using a single
command?

TIA

Dave


From______________________________________________________________
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| Tel: +44 753 833760 - email: dave@thomases.demon.co.uk          |       
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From______________________________________________________________
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| Tel: +44 753 833760 - email: dave@thomases.demon.co.uk          |       

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From: skb@cl.cam.ac.uk (Subir Biswas)
Crossposted-To: ucam.comp.linux,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Xfig on laptop; size problem??
Date: 17 May 1994 20:08:19 GMT


Hello Linuxers,

Recently I downloaded xfig from sunsite and
installed on my linux laptop. Everything
works just fine except that the xfig window
is too big for the LCD screen and as a result
I can't use the lower portion of the xfig
window. Scaling the window down does not help 
b'se doing so removes a portion of xfig.

Did anybody face this problem and would any
kind soul let me know how to get around this.

Thanks a lot.

- Subir

PS: E_mail responses will be appreciated.

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Computer Laboratory                              Fax: +44-223-334678
University of Cambridge                          E_mail: skb@cl.cam.ac.uk
Cambridge CB2 3QG, UK.
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Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers
From: cairnss@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Queenie)
Subject: Re: Streets named after programming languages 
Date: Sat, 14 May 1994 04:49:07 GMT

cms@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Colin Simpson) writes:

>Extending this conversation a bit further to streets named
>after any field of computing. 

>Is there in Silicon Valley a street called `Disk Drive' ? 

In the _Storage_Tech_ complex south of Boulder all of the streets
have cute computer names both 'Disk Drive' and 'Hard Drive' do exist.

-- 
carinsj@vampyre.colorado.edu         | What do 7, 11, and 438479857 have in
common?  Send a self-addressed stamped envelope to 'PRIMES, PO BOX 17986,
Boulder, CO 80308, for your official prime number.        Inquire within.

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From: evers@plains.NoDak.edu (Dwight M Evers)
Subject: Linux & DEC ALPHAs...II
Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 16:16:14 GMT

Boy, when people get miffed, they sure know how to send hate mail...
        
        Relax people, I may have some of my facts mixed up on the part about
        Jim P. comparing SOME of the features of the DEC to the CRAY, but lets
        grab some reality here...THOSE TWO SYSTEMS ARE VERY DIFFERENT!!! 
        OK so the CRAY didn't have true SMP, but it did utilize dedicated
        processors. There were no GUI's at all for the CRAY, just plug
        and chug. The SPECmark's used for comparison have been designed 
        for different setup, I believe. VAX fortran is a bit diff than
        what was used by CRAY Ind. But here is an awful truth, what the CRAY
        did good 10-15-20 years ago, the newer VAX andAS/400's dominate 
        at now!!!

Now, to address my statement about 'buggy'... lets not read into this too 
much here. A bug is something that occurs in programming or compiling 
that prevents the program from operating in the idealstate as designed by 
the programmer/porter. Bugs refer to problems that CAN/MIGHT be fixed. 
Ever here of the phrase, "getting the Bugs out..."?

Now, for all of you out there that were really ticked off by my saying 
about using a Ferrari to do the work of a VW, take a long hard look at 
what your needs are before you pull out the green-backs for a system. Why 
the fuck do you think that there are so many diff kinds of systems out 
there now?!?!?!? Jesus, get a clue. Would anyone buy a SGI for just doing 
WP or Printshop?...get real...only Trump would bother.

Do not compare my statements to the Evil one (B.Gates). Although you 
flamers may have hit on a similarity between what I said, I do not follow 
the teachings of MS. But back to Linux and DECs...

DECs are nice for very specific applications that require their services. 
DEC's OSF/1 is NOT the greatest rendition of UNIX, but it is better than 
most. I have used it and can conclude that it has many usefull features 
as do most unix/os. All but one of my fortran programs have proted 
succesfully to the Alpha. Its the integrating of hardware and specific 
software that leads to problems. 

When all is said and done, I think (yes I do have some cranial activity 
once in a while) that Linux/FreeBSD will outlive most other unix type OSs 
if for no other reason than that they have such a large development base, 
everyone who reads these columns programs a little. I have only seen SCO 
on more tables than Linux or FreeBSD. I won't even go into that flop 
called NeXTStep...for that kind of $$$ I'll just get SCO. But I hardly 
have 2 nickels to rub together, so Linux is it for me...

And that is the way I see it folks, disagree if you want, but most if not 
all of what I say is true. Just my 2gig worth.

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Dwight M. Evers         |           must be willing to fight for..."
evers@plains.NoDak.edu  |
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From: ramos@engr.latech.edu (Alex Ramos)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: Keeping data structures in memory
Date: 17 May 1994 02:26:35 GMT

Terence Davis (terence@soldev.tti.com), quoted out of context, wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> A student in a class of mine wants to be able to keep large data
> structures, i.e. 10 or more megabytes, in RAM.  He wants to force the
> objects into RAM and doesn't want them paged out.  Assuming he has
> enough real RAM, what's the algorithm Linux uses to page stuff out.  Is
> there a way to lock the memory for particular data structures in RAM?

Has mlock() been implemented on Linux? I've seen it on other Unix systems.
Note that it would require the program to be run as root. Also note that
I think it's pointless to use mlock(): If you have enough RAM and the
machine is not loaded, the stuff will be in memory anyways.

--
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Louisiana Tech University BSEE/Sr  * All rights reserved. No warranty, etc

http://info.latech.edu/~ramos/

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From: grante@reddwarf.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Linux in PC Week again (May 9th issue)
Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 01:48:20 GMT

Dan Newcombe (newcombe@aa.csc.peachnet.edu) wrote:

: >People that are annouyed by seeing things appearing on the market for
: >(nearly) free that they earlier paid a lot of money for, better don't
: >buy anything related to computing...  (especially hardware, but probably
: >software as well)

: I weep everytime I look at computer shopper.

: In 1984 or so, my Dad bought an XT clone - and paid about $2000+ for
: it (Mono, 640K, 20 Meg Hard Drive, 2 5.25" drives).  Now you are
: lucky if you can pay someone $200 to take it :) (Actually, $200 is
: the going price I've seen them before.)

[More stories of how prices have dropped]

But, the important thing to remember is the 5000 dollar computer
axiom.  Having messed about with microcomputers (haven't heard that
term much lately, eh?) for the past 15 years, a friend and I finally
came to the realization that no matter what technology advances and
price drops happen, the computer you _really_ want always costs
$5,000.  (And the corollary: the computer you actually bought cost
$2,500, and a few years later is worth $250)

At one point in history that was an S-100 system with a 4MHz Z80B CPU
board, 64K of RAM, CP/M 1.7 and two 8" double-sided double-density
floppy drives at a whopping 1MB each!  Whether you preferred a serial
terminal or a memory mapped video board was a bit of a religous
question.

Now, the computer I _really_ want is a bit more powerful, but it still
comes in at about $5,000.

Five and a fraction years ago I wrote a purchase req for a Sun 3/60
and shoebox.  It cost $18K.  Today you can buy the same thing used for
$600.

--
Grant Edwards                                 |Yow!  TAPPING?  You
Rosemount Inc.                                |POLITICIANS!  Don't you
                                              |realize that the END of the
grante@rosemount.com                          |``Wash Cycle'' is a TREASURED
                                              |MOMENT for most people?!

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From: kenyon@cse.unl.edu (Paul Kenyon)
Crossposted-To: unl.linux,comp.lang.c++
Subject: Re: Learning C++ on Linux?
Date: 18 May 1994 03:42:36 GMT

jepler@herbie.unl.edu (Jeff Epler) writes:

>I'm interested in learning C++ during my free time this summer, and
>the only compiler I have easy access to is GCC on my home Linux
>machine.

My recommendation is "The C++ programming Language" by Bjarne
Stroustrup it is close to "K&R" in style so if you didn't like K&R it
may not be the best for you. It is succinct and to the point, covers
the language, and assumes you know C (or can read K&R) it is by the guy
who came up with the language and is not about a specific compiler.  It
is a real book and isn't available on the net.  Don't confuse this book
with "The C++ annotated refernce manual" by Stroustrup and Ellis which
is the first book you want if your goal is to either write a C++
compiler or win a C++ language lawyer argument.

G++ (C++ in gcc) is a very fine language, it does differ from the
compiler from AT&T which is called "cfront" and written
by Stroustrup and company but you won't need or want the missing
features for the first 6 months.

I commend C++ to you, it is a good topic for a student who has
discovered that all the useful knowledge is not handed out in class.
OOP as a whole is a very important force in what is going on in CS and
while C++ is not currently my language of choice it has a lot of nice
stuff in it.

Hope this helps,

-Paul Kenyon

Which sig would you like?


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From: chardi@cs.man.ac.uk (Ian Chard)
Subject: Purify - non-commercial version?
Date: 17 May 94 11:18:47 GMT

Hi,

I remember reading somewhere that there is a non-commercial version of purify
for Linux - but I can't remember what it's called.  If you know, I would really
appreciate it if you could mail me and tell me where to get it!

Thanks,

Ian.

-- 

[ Ian Chard, Systems Integration |  "I may be cruel,                          ]
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From: lmk6@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Luke M Kaven)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Please help: trouble configuring network
Date: 17 May 1994 20:08:45 GMT

lmk6@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Luke M Kaven) writes:

[my own sob story deleted in the interests of reducing world
suffering.]

I've received a few suggestions from folks, but nothing has
worked straight away.

(1) It was suggested that the specification of the domain name
service was in error.  But that seems to be right.  The other
hosts in the subnet use the same name server, and the
name server appears to be up.  My /etc/host.conf file reads

order hosts,bind
multi on

as was suggested by a number of folks.  The "ifconfig" utility
seems to bring the interface up by default without the explicit
"up" argument.  Adding that produced no improvement.

(2) It was suggested that I run gated for RIP.  I hear this was
written at Cornell, but I don't know where to obtain it.  Does
anyone else have experience substituting gated for routed?

What seems most plausible to me is that there may be
something unusual with the SMC Ethernet Elite Ultra that I
am not doing as I should.  I would be very grateful if other
users of this network card could tell me about how they
configured it through ezstart.  I have the I/O address,
and RAM window and IRQ set up as was recommended, but I
don't know what else there is to know about this card.

"Oh let's get a Linux machine instead," I said.  "Why
spend the money?"  I would really like to succeed at
this one, unfortunately...and I set myself up to be under
a little pressure to do it.  Thanks again to those who
have replied...still hoping that the person with the
answers is out there somewhere!!

Sincerely, Luke "statically routed" Kaven

Center for Advanced Biotechnology and Medicine
Rutgers University

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From: sbrown@charon.dseg.ti.com (Steve Brown)
Subject: Re: What Linux CD distribution to buy?
Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 08:25:54 GMT

In article <2r4lr1$jpl@crl.crl.com> francr@crl.com (Franc Ragsac) writes:

> I'm shopping for Linux in CDs.
> I've heard TransAmeritech, Walnut  Creek and Ygdrassil.
> Anyone know which one is easier to install?

Might have a limited set of people who are able to answer this - those
who have installed multiple versions?  :-)

My only contribution is this:

  I don't see how anything could be much _easier_ to install than
  the TransAmeritech version.  I was very impressed.  I have 
  participated in installations of software costing thousands of
  dollars that did not install as smoothly as Slackware from
  the latest TransAmeritech CD-ROM.

I have no relationship to TransAmeritech other than that of a satisfied
customer.

My $0.02 worth.

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