Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #125
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Date:     Tue, 17 May 94 19:14:09 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #125, Volume #2                Tue, 17 May 94 19:14:09 EDT

Contents:
  IDE for Linux (was Re: Arguments for Unix vs DOS) (Dan Newcombe)
  Re: DRDOS Password error (Ricardo Guimaraes)
  Re: COMMODORE CALLS IT QUITS (Ricardo Guimaraes)
  Re: Please help: trouble configuring network (Alan Cox)
  Re: tcpdump: how to make a socket only look at one ethernet card (Alan Cox)
  Re: Interest in a weekly Linux news? (Alan Cox)
  Re: BRIEF/vi Compatible GUI Text Editor (Rob Savoye)
  Re: What Does Linus Look Like? (Harald Milz)
  Re: Clothes named after programming languages (Charles F. Herbig)
  Re: Linux in PC Week again (May 9th issue) (Kelly Murray)
  Linux and Dec Alpha ? (Augustus Way Fountain III)
  Re: Novell is trying to Sell a derivative of Linux for a big (Karl Fogel)
  Universa CD-ROM resells the Disc at $20 + $3 shipping; many in stock (Charles Liu)
  Re: Novell is trying to Sell a derivative of Linux for a big (lembark@ug.eds.com)
  Re: *base system? what would it take (Alan Cox)
  Re: LGX '94 is HERE!!!  (?) (Alan Cox)
  Re: [Request]: Dump program! (Andrea Dell'Amico)

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From: newcombe@aa.csc.peachnet.edu (Dan Newcombe)
Subject: IDE for Linux (was Re: Arguments for Unix vs DOS)
Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 08:41:37 UNDEFINED

In article <44861@mindlink.bc.ca> Mark_Tarrabain@mindlink.bc.ca (Mark Tarrabain) writes:
>  As I see it, his decision on whether to switch rests on how easy it is to
>debug source code under Unix.  Having never used a debugger in the Unix
>environment, I couldn't exactly address this issue.  So... the big question
>is this: Is there anything comparable to the Borland IDE for DOS under
>Linux?  I suppose we could always run it under a DOS emulator, but somehow
>I think that would defeat the purpose of switching from DOS in the first
>place.


I changed the subject to be a little more relevant (as the original would 
probably start yet another flame war :)

>   You can run the compiler directly from the editor, errors moving the
>cursor to the correct position in the source code.

I am pretty sure you can do this from Emacs.  I know that you can run the 
compiler from Emacs - I've compiled the kernel from there.  I'm not sure about 
the jumping around part.  Of course Emacs could do with a tad bit of a nicer 
interface - but then you get into the religious wars of
        a) better interface to help bring in new users that don't want to spend
            hours just leaning the editor to do "Hello World!"
        b) No brain-dead menus, and complete customizing ability.

>   You can execute a program and set breakpoints in it, executing to that
>point.
>   Ability to step through the code line by line (both into and around
>function calls).
>   Ability to examine the contents of any variables in the currently
>executing scope (must be able to handle displaying multiple variables
>simultaneously as well as handle complex data types such as arrays and
>structures).

For this, I think that UPS is the best choice (much better than Federal 
Express - HA!)   I am not sure if UPS is a front end to gdb or not, but it is 
an X program that allows (I think) all of the above features.  I'm not sure 
about the last one 100%, but I'm sure there's some support for it.

UPS can be ftped from sunsite somewhere in the dirs...probably the development 
dir.  I've been meaning to get the latest version and recompile it, just never 
got around to it.  





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Clayton State College           Morrow, Georgia
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From: guimar@pegasus.montclair.edu (Ricardo Guimaraes)
Subject: Re: DRDOS Password error
Date: 17 May 94 06:34:20 GMT

ron@draconia.hacktic.nl (Ron Smits) writes:

>A friend of mine is a drdos user. We had a pleasant night working an
>a C program on my linux box. At the end of the evening I mounted a 
>dos floppy and wrote the source to it. When my friend tried to read the files
>on his drdos system. drdos said the files were password protected. My chin
>hit the floor! I've been reading and writing dos floppies for as long as I can
>remember and I have never had any problems whatsoever. BTW, Msdos doesnt
>have any problems with the files on the same machine. So my friend is
>able to read and work with the files. 

>I just want to know :
>       What the f*ck is going on here? Any body care to enlighten a unix guy
>       about drdos?

Interesting. DRDOS uses some unused bits in the file description to tag it
as protected. I frequently notice that the "hidden" bit gets turned on. He
might try,
        PASSWORD file /N
to remove the protection. Before you transfer files to MS-DOS set the
rights with chmod 777.

-Ricardo

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From: guimar@pegasus.montclair.edu (Ricardo Guimaraes)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: COMMODORE CALLS IT QUITS
Date: 17 May 94 06:53:05 GMT

bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) writes:

>In article <1994May12.192514.12009@rosevax.rosemount.com>, grante@reddwarf.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards) says:
>+---------------
>| : 65C816, but that was an 8/16 bit microprocessor.  (The Apple IIGS
>| 
>| Yep, that's the one -- I mis-remembered the bus width.  Did the IIGS
>| even run the thing in 16 bit mode?
>+------------->8

>If I remember correctly, one of the reaons the IIGS didn't take off was
>problems running 8-bit Apple II software.  I would suspect that means "yes".

The reason the IIGS didn't take off was because it was used as a cash cow to
finance the Mac. After a while, Apple just stopped all advertising. Few
8-bit programs had trouble running on the IIGS (mostly ones with oddball
copy protection). There are tons of 16-bit programs for it. There is a
Unix-like OS for it called GNO. 

BTW, the SNES runs on a 65C816.

-Ricardo

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Please help: trouble configuring network
Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 12:07:22 GMT

In article <2r9lan$k2j@tuba.cit.cornell.edu> lmk6@crux1.cit.cornell.edu (Luke M Kaven) writes:
>-- I receive the following messages in syslog after bootup:
>
>May 16 23:44:55 routed[51]: Adding route to net/host 0.0.0.0 through gateway 0.0.0.0 : Invalid argument
>May 16 23:47:55 routed[51]: deleting route to interface eth0 (timed out)
>
Either run gated if you need RIP routing, or better still don't run
any kind of RIP routing just the static entries you set up initially.#

Alan


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: tcpdump: how to make a socket only look at one ethernet card
Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 12:33:21 GMT

In article <2r8l4e$4p5@canoe.gandalf.ca> pt@gandalf.ca (Paul Tomblin) writes:
>Does anybody have any suggestions on how to make socket() only hear packets
>on one ethernet device?

You can't. But if you use recvfrom() to receive the packets on the 
SOCK_PACKET socket you can look at the sockaddr structure of the address
and get sa_family=device_type (ARPHRD_ETHER etc) and sa_data is the
device name, so you can strcmp() on it.

PS: Your email address is broken.



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From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Interest in a weekly Linux news?
Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 12:36:09 GMT

In article <1994May14.020303.19945@cs.cornell.edu> mdw@cs.cornell.edu (Matt Welsh) writes:
>I, for one, would like to see weekly (?) release announcements for
>the various kernel patches, including a ChangeLog, but someone like
>Linus would have to put it together for each release. If someone were 
>kind enough to maintain something this, I'd post it to c.o.l.a.

Well if someone will maintain it, I'll post them network change summaries,
and if formatted with thought an autoconvertor to HTML should be doable
so they are filed each week.

Alan


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From: rob@Cygnus.COM (Rob Savoye)
Subject: Re: BRIEF/vi Compatible GUI Text Editor
Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 14:03:19 GMT

kevin@valis.ampr.ab.ca (Kevin B. Fluet) writes:

>Rohit Mehrotra <rohit@metronet.com> writes:

>>The purpose of this mail is to announce the availability of CRISP 4.1.9 via 
>>anonymous FTP.

>>For folks not familiar with CRISP, it is a BRIEF/vi compatible, _truly_
>>graphical text editor on Unix and Windows platforms that offers some of 
>>the most advanced set of features combined with an exceptional ease of 
>>use that is unheard of under UNIX.

>The X version (vcr) wants libxv3.so.2.  Does anyone know where to find it?
  For many years I was a crisp2.2e user. (on xenix) While I generally like
crisp (and brief) I don't like what's happened to crisp. It's author
took it *proprietary*, it's not free anymore. You can still get the old
versions, but bug fixes and the cute GUI cost big bucks. I personally, can't
support this. I switched to emacs then, and with the newer X support in emacs
resonably debugged, I see no need to use crisp.

>Linux GUI word-processor everyone has been waiting for.

  Nope, just use lemacs or emacs-19.2?.

        - rob -
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From: hm@seneca.ix.de (Harald Milz)
Subject: Re: What Does Linus Look Like?
Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 19:23:23 GMT
Reply-To: hm@seneca.ix.de

Phil Hughes (fyl@eskimo.com) wrote:

: > For those who can't handle this electronic stuff, try page 45 of Linux
: > Journal #2 (with beer :-) ).

Or maybe iX 12/93 pg. 128 (sorry, couldn't resist ;0)

Ciao,
hm

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Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology
From: cfherbig@netcom.com (Charles F. Herbig)
Subject: Re: Clothes named after programming languages
Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 15:43:14 GMT

Troll, troll, troll, troll, troll, troll, troll, troll, troll, troll, troll.
--
Charles Herbig cfherbig@netcom.com    |Pope Extraodinaire
I'm not allowed to tell you that Karla|Temple of Occupied Mexico
Homolka pleaded guilty to manslaughter|Disturbed Feline Clench
because a Judge in Canada says so.    |Holy Heretic of the First Order of Feng

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From: kem@prl.ufl.edu (Kelly Murray)
Subject: Re: Linux in PC Week again (May 9th issue)
Date: 17 May 1994 13:12:01 GMT

|> In article <1994May14.220238.26443@cs.cornell.edu> mdw@cs.cornell.edu (Matt Welsh) writes:
|> 
|>    In article <1994May14.154731.29192@news.cs.indiana.edu> "Eric Jeschke" <jeschke@cs.indiana.edu> writes:
|>    >Anyway, in reference to Mosaic/Web he says "virtually every component
|>    >is available as freeware, including a public-domain version of Unix".
|>    >I'm almost certain he is referring to Linux.
|> 
|>    If so, he's dead wrong about the "public domain" part.
|> 

They were most likely referring to FreeBSD, although not "public-domain",
it's pretty close.

- Kelly Murray  (kem@prl.ufl.edu) <a href="http://www.prl.ufl.edu">
-University of Florida Parallel Research Lab </a> 96-node KSR1, 64-node nCUBE



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From: afountai@garnet.acns.fsu.edu (Augustus Way Fountain III)
Subject: Linux and Dec Alpha ?
Date: 17 May 1994 10:43:00 GMT

Is anyone running Linux on a Digital AXP 150?  Is it possible?  Im
interested in running it and I'm looking for comments.


  
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From: kfogel@ninja.life.uiuc.edu (Karl Fogel)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Novell is trying to Sell a derivative of Linux for a big
Date: 17 May 1994 19:29:54 GMT

In article <1994May16.214253.8657@solucorp.qc.ca> jack@solucorp.qc.ca (Jacques Gelinas) writes:

>This look disturbing. Having two linux kernel going away. One claiming
>to be the best or more standard...
>
>I doubt it will happen because there are many advantage to stick
>to the current one.
>
>1-Linux is free and is spreading like hell. You better have a
>super whatever to beat it and claiming to be it.

        The Novell version would free too, unless they (unlikely)
violated the GPL.

>2-Linux is certainly the best general purpose OS
>on PCs (performance reliability footprint ...). Judging by
>the different offering out there (OS/2 SCO
>Windows), it looks like debugging an OS is almost impossible
>except when it is truely open and testers have access to its
>internal.

        They'd have that access with the Novell kernel as well,
though.

>So I doubt a company may create a better linux kernel and claim
>(and sell) it is more reliable.

        Unless it *is* more reliable. :-) Here's a thought: if Linus
had been employed by Novell all this time, how would we know the
difference?  It wouldn't affect the release-debug-patch-submit loop
that has kept Linux going so well, nor would it even affect the
availability of the kernel to non-programmers.

>3-Linux is like X. Nobody has won trying to defeat X with a better
>X. Sun lately has droped its X/news stuff because it could not stay
>current with X (They were still on R4 while R5 was there for some time).

        But the X copyright allows proprietary derivatives.  Since
they didn't have the whole Net hacking on their code, there was no way
it could stay current.  Well, at least that's one theory... the
situation with Linux is different, though.
--
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From: alte@rahul.net (Charles Liu)
Subject: Universa CD-ROM resells the Disc at $20 + $3 shipping; many in stock
Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 23:20:39 GMT

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know some other place offers better price, please let us know, we will 
try to match. 

        The price does not include shipping and California sales tax (if 
applicable).  We accept Visa/MasterCharge Card.

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=============================================================


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Same day shipping if we get the order before 6 PM.

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From: lembark@ug.eds.com
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Novell is trying to Sell a derivative of Linux for a big
Date: 17 May 94 13:08:57 PDT

>       "The new system, code-named Expose, is not a derivative of Novell's 
>        own UnixWare; it is based on Linux, a full-featured Unix clone for 
>        PCs that is distributed under a free GNU Public License, sources 
>        said. Linux 1.0, which shipped in March, runs on 386- and 486-based 
>        ISA and EISA computers."

the CopyLeft explicitly states that you CAN charge for services and support of
freeware (e.g., ready to run, cygnus).  what novell will do is charge for their
portion of the software, which will come with some sort of support and added
warranty.  what they'll be charging for is the warranty and support.

what'll probably stick in their craw is less the free distribution of derived
works [they're charging for support and warranty, remember?].  i'm waiting to
see if they'll send me the source to their kernel for a "copying fee" [quote
the CL] and start putting it on every BBS in the nation...

one of the original goals of gnu was to show that freeware could be
commertially viable (e.g., again, cygnus + ready-to-run).

if Novell follows through on the CL it might be the pudding's final proof:
 here is a BIG player in the business choosing freeware because it's the best
 software they can get.

if they don't then at least they're forwarned: 
 gnu adherents are probably the largest single collection of skilled
 programmers on the planet.  prodded with enough abuse we could become the
 largest collection of hackers...


steve lembark
(@oxy.edu:lembark@workhorse.uucp)


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From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: *base system? what would it take
Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 12:45:53 GMT

In article <2r31ts$g47@draconia.hacktic.nl> ron@draconia.hacktic.nl (Ron Smits) writes:
>Every so often the question is asked wether there is a dbase (tm) like clone
>for Linux or Unix. Apperently there isn't one. mbase is real nice and Ingres
>is great (IMHO). I have written some applications using Ingres, and it's nice
>to work with. But .. I know that a lot of people would really like it if they
>could use there dbase(tm) or clipper(tm) sources in linux/unix.

I keep answering this. The commercial option that works is Codebase portability
edition which is a source code DBase library for C with all the sorting
and some rocket fast indexing. The manual wasn't too good but the code 
quality is excellent - and it compiles easily under Linux

What would it take and would it be legal to write such a thing. I've written
>databases before (albeit simple ones) and I'm definitly not unknown to bigger
>projects (It's my job after all). So I would be willing to put some time and
>effort in it. If somebody can tell me how it is organized/build up. 
It would be quite easy to do the basics and very hard to do the fast
indexing stuff. Have you asked around for free DOS stuff for this.

Alan


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From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: LGX '94 is HERE!!!  (?)
Date: Tue, 17 May 1994 12:48:57 GMT

In article <940514164245@lambada> steve.mcmahon@lambada.oit.unc.edu (Steve McMahon) writes:
>>>>>> On 13 May 1994 23:34:08 GMT, adam@adam.yggdrasil.com (Adam J. Richter) said:
>
>>      Summer 1994 Plug-and-Play Linux (formerly LGX) has been shipping
>> since Thursday.  We will submit a product announcement to

>Will you give a free CD to software contributers like you used to do
>with the previous version?

Oooh what a nice idea 8)

Alan



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From: adellam@apollo.di.unipi.it (Andrea Dell'Amico)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: [Request]: Dump program!
Date: 17 May 1994 15:22:48 GMT

In article <RON.94May16135700@draconia.hacktic.nl> ron@draconia.hacktic.nl (Ron Smits) writes:


   In article <1994May16.094342.13185@imec.be> buytaert@imec.be (Steven Buytaert) writes:

      Gioacchino La_vecchia (gio@cli.di.unipi.it) wrote:
      :         Is there any program for dump in Linux environment?

        Gio,

        Check out 'man od' and its options. Maybe that can
        help you out... 
        An 'apropos dump' could also get you started...

        --Stef

      --
      Steven Buytaert 

      WORK buytaert@imec.be
      HOME buytaert@innet.be

              'Imagination is more important then knowledge.'
                              (A. Einstein)


   I think he means the BSD dump and rdump programs for making backups.
   If this is what he means he might check out tbackup and afio



Excuse me, I'm working with Gio and I can explain the problem in detail.

We are searching a program like BSD dump or rdump, to backup our linux
PC with a backup program named amanda. It can use dump/rdump, or GNU
tar. It runs on an HP 9000 ( where the tape is attacched ) and it
backups all the workstations of the Departments of Computer Science of
Pisa; the workstations have dump/rdump, and amanda can use only a
backup program, so we need dump/rdump.


   --



                   Ron Smits
                   ron@draconia.hacktic.nl
                   Ron.Smits@Netherlands.NCR.COM

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   /*-(                They might not be the same                        )-*/


Thanks all for the help,
andrea

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