Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #122
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Tue, 17 May 94 03:13:16 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #122, Volume #2                Tue, 17 May 94 03:13:16 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Clothes named after programming languages (Ryan John Cousineau)
  Re: [Request]: Dump program! (Robert B. White - Senior Reliability Engineer)
  INDEX generator for Linux ? (Rainer Klier)
  Re: idiot's guide to unix/linux (ADAM P JENKINS)
  Re: Mapping keyboard and mounting CD-ROM? (Zenon Fortuna)
  Re: Clothes named after programming languages (Will Parker)
  Re: Linux .MOD players? (Jeff Randall)
  Re: Kerberized utilities needed (Uri Blumenthal)
  [HELP] OBST help needed part II (jean safar)
  Need NCSA_HTTPD binaries for Linux ("V.S.Carpenter")
  Re: Linux .MOD players? (Robert Sanders)
  Re: accentuated characters (diacritics) (Rene COUGNENC)
  Re: Linux in PC Week again (May 9th issue) (Dan Newcombe)
  Re: Which version should I use (Tri Tran)
  tcpdump: how to make a socket only look at one ethernet card (Paul Tomblin)
  Re: [Request]: Dump program! (Gary Merinstein)
  Re: MITSUMI - final word (Wallace Roberts)

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Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology
From: rcousine@malibu.sfu.ca (Ryan John Cousineau)
Subject: Re: Clothes named after programming languages
Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 07:44:40 GMT

alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith) writes:

>In article <2r0hoq$5ll@darkstar.UCSC.EDU> haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (James H. Haynes) writes:
>>
>>You can get Basic or Pascal jeans in the Guess? brand.  Presumably COBOL
>>writers wear suits and not jeans.  Anybody know where to get appropriate
>>wear for C and Fortran?  LISP?  Perl? C++?   (Surely one of these will
>>get someone's nomination as the emperor who wears no clothes.)

>For C/C++ programmers, the obvious thing to wear would be a set of
>matching braces.
Semi-relevantly, in Vancouver there is a Virtual Reality Clothing
Company. Could they be designing any clothes for Emperors, d'ya think?

Or at least computer company marketing departments?


-- 
Ryan Cousineau, rcousine@sfu.ca, DoD#863, Vancouver, BC, Canada |X|
'86 Katana 750: Kit Kat   '82 Vision 550: Kaput  <Beware Keith Lim>
Disclaimer: since Simon Fraser University is supposed to be shaping my mind, I
think they deserve a share of the responsibility for the above opinions.

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From: rbw@mendon.Eng.Sun.COM (Robert B. White - Senior Reliability Engineer)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: [Request]: Dump program!
Date: 16 May 1994 20:59:49 GMT
Reply-To: rbw@mendon.Eng.Sun.COM


Try the following which has worked well on several different computers.  (I have
a better organized one somewhere, but this is what's on the machine at work and it
still compiles and runs.)

Bob
===================================================================================
/* dumpc                Revised by Robert B. White             12 Nov 86
 *
 * core style dump of a file
 *
 *              usage: A>DUMP B:BLIP.O
 *
 * 19 Nov 89  Port to SUN 3/60
 * 12 Nov 86  Cleanup and port to Tandem
 */

#ifndef TANDEM
#include        <stdio.h>
#include        <fcntl.h>
#endif

#define MYBUFSIZ        4096


char *buffer ;
extern char *malloc ( ) ;


main ( argc, argv )

        int  argc ;
        char *argv[] ;

        {
         char *progname =
                      "dumpt.c 19 Nov 89.  Adapted by Robert B. White" ;
         int  i, numin, file, cfrom ;
         unsigned char chr ;
         long int tot ;

         if ( argc < 2 )
            {printf ( "Please try again with a filename.\n" ) ;
             exit ( 1 ) ;
            }

         tot = 0L ;
         if  ( ( file = open ( argv[1], O_RDONLY ) ) == -1 )
             {printf ( "Cannot Open <%s>.\n", argv[1] ) ;
              exit ( 1 ) ;
             }

        buffer = malloc ( MYBUFSIZ ) ;

/*      read and dump 4k at a time      */

         do
           {numin = read ( file, buffer, MYBUFSIZ ) ;
            if ( numin == -1 )
               {printf ( "Cannot Read <%s>.\n", argv[1] ) ;
                exit ( 1 ) ;
               }
            cfrom = 0 ;
            while ( cfrom < numin )
                  {/* print the offset in hex                         */
                   printf ( "%08lx ", (long)( cfrom + tot ) ) ;
                   /* print 16 bytes in hex                           */
                   for ( i = 0; i < 16; i++ )
                       {printf ( " %02x", (unsigned char)buffer[cfrom++]
                               ) ;
                       }
                   cfrom -= 16 ;
                   printf ( "  *" ) ;
                   /* print the bytes in ascii                        */
                   for ( i = 0; i < 16; i++ )
                       {chr = (unsigned char)buffer[cfrom] ;
                        if ( ( chr < ' ' ) || ( chr > 0x7f ) )
                           {chr = '.' ;
                           }
                        putchar ( chr ) ;
                        cfrom++ ;
                       }
                   printf ( "*\n" ) ;
                  }
            tot += numin ;
           }
         while ( numin == MYBUFSIZ ) ;
        }


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From: rrklier@tychen.franken.de (Rainer Klier)
Subject: INDEX generator for Linux ?
Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 17:12:18 GMT

Hi there !

going through the directories of ftp-servers I noticed the directories
named .cap. Obviously they are used to store information about the files
in the directory where .cap can be found. 
Maybe they can be used too to create an INDEX of the files below a subdir
using those informations in the .cap directory. Are there any programs
available under linux (maybe scripts or so) to generate INDEX files
similar to those on ftp-servers ?

Thanx in advance :)

Rainer
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   | /__/|  |  90762 Fuerth       |__________________________________________

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From: apj@twain.ucs.umass.edu (ADAM P JENKINS)
Subject: Re: idiot's guide to unix/linux
Date: 15 May 1994 05:14:25 GMT

Stuart G Moncur (smoncur@cee.hw.ac.uk) wrote:
: Hello,

: I've been reading all this stuff on the "idiot's guide to unix/linux" and was
: just pondering... Aren't the newsgroups (like this) supposed to be a media for
: spreading knowledge/ideas, etc. Why are newcomers told to sift through endless
: ASCII, when they possibly don't know what to look for? FAQ's are great, but they
: are very limited. Couldn't there be a comp.os.linux.newcommer or something where
: people could learn and discuss unix in general (with more emphasis on learning) 
: - I'm sure it would be a lot more effective than giving people reading lists,
: at least the newsgroups could give new users a starting point.

: A reassuring word to all newcommers to the happy world of linux and unix:
: There are no "stupid questions" - If you don't know, ask. How do we learn if we
: don't ask questions?
: -- 
: --------------------------------------+----------------------------------------
: "How many escape capsules are there?" | Department of Computing & Elec.Eng.
: "None..."                             | Heriot-Watt University, Edinburgh,
: "Have you counted them?"              | Scotland
: "Twice!"                              | Stuart Moncur: smoncur@cee.hw.ac.uk
: --------------------------------------+----------------------------------------

        A good idea is to have the FAQs available on the newsgroups,
as most of them are on comp.os.linux.help.  Then you can direct faqs
to read them and they don't have to go far to find them.  Also,
informing people of the Linux Documentation Projects books would be a
big help.  Once I found those, I no longer had so many faqs.
--Adam
apj@twain.ucs.umass.edu

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From: zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna)
Subject: Re: Mapping keyboard and mounting CD-ROM?
Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 20:58:19 GMT

In article <Cpn9t2.66q@avalon.chinalake.navy.mil>,
Tri Tran <tran@f18sun5.nwc.navy.mil> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I've just successfully installed Linux and XFree86.  Now how
>do I go about maintaining/configuring my system to be like the
>SUN sparc that I have at work?  Is there a document that I
>can refer to for this?  What I would like to do is map certain
>function keys on my keyboard for various function such as "open icon",
>"Copy", "Paste", and "Cut" to name a few.  Can it be done?
>

A week ago I pushed to Matt Welsh a "Keystroke-HOWTO". It will show up
some day, I presume.
In the meantime I can send it by e-mail.

        Zenon

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From: willhoek (Will Parker)
Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Clothes named after programming languages
Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 13:09:09 -0800

> Geoffrey Spear (gspear+@CMU.EDU) wrote:
> : lmccarth@cs.umass.edu (Lewis (YDNCTFL YWSRCFAOTW) McCarthy) writes:
> : > alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith) writes:
> : > >For C/C++ programmers, the obvious thing to wear would be a set of
> : > >matching braces.
> : > 
> : > { Notice: this joke may be puzzling for some readers in the States }
> 
> : this is, of course, because most American C compilers don't use {}'s
> : because American keyboards don't have a { key.

What HAVE you Kiwis been smoking? {{{{{{{{{{{{{{}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

BTW, we call 'em braces over here as well, having gotten off the boat from
England at approximately the same time as you folks.
-- 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 Parker's Third Rule of Tech Support:  
            If you can't navigate a one-level, five-item phone tree, 
            you didn't need a computer anyway.
                                    willhoek@halcyon.com 
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From: randall@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Jeff Randall)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Linux .MOD players?
Date: 16 May 1994 21:24:01 GMT
Reply-To: jrandall@uiuc.edu (Jeff Randall)

rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen) writes:

>smthomas@unixg.ubc.ca (Shawn Matthew Thomas) writes:

>>I just recompiled my kernel to get the sound support for my GUS so now 
>>I'm looking for some .MOD players... preferably for X.  I thought I read 
>>something about it here awhile back but my locale dumps messages pretty 
>>quickly :(.

>Look for "gmod".  I have version 1.2b, and it is great.  I believe
>a newer version was made available in the meantime.
>I also recently downloaded a program called "s3mod" but it is no good
>for playing .MODs (it supports a different format, maybe it is good at
>playing that)

The newest version of gmod is 1.3 and it will play s3m files in addition
to all of the formats that gmod 1.2b will play.  There are a few minor
timing problems with the s3m portion of gmod1.3, but the author is aware
of them and is very likely working on fixes.

The newest version of s3mod does support the GUS naitively (ie, it doesn't
use system CPU to mix when it finds a GUS but instead does it the propery
way, on the GUS itself).  It also has a few minor timing problems with
s3m files, but they are not the same ones as with gmod1.3.  On the plus
side, s3mod compresses samples in GUS memory, so if you don't have a full
Meg on the GUS, you might be able to play some files with s3mod that you
can't with gmod.

GUS owners should likely have both installed, since some s3m files sound
better with one and others with the other player.  

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                                               If It were, It would've had a
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is without a home!  Mail me if you can help.

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From: uri@watson.ibm.com (Uri Blumenthal)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: Kerberized utilities needed
Date: 12 May 1994 21:15:39 GMT
Reply-To: uri@watson.ibm.com

In article <2qtcke$mj5@xserver.oti.disa.mil>, gmcmanus@oti.disa.mil (Gene McManus) writes:
> Has anyone ported the following Kerberos and kerberized utilities to Linux?:
> 
>     ksu
>     rsh
>     rlogin
>     kpop

Well, yes...

Are you in USA?

Regards,
Uri.
============
<Disclaimer>

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From: jsafar@lehman.com (jean safar)
Subject: [HELP] OBST help needed part II
Reply-To: jsafar@lehman.com
Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 15:32:24 GMT

I compiled OBST on my Linux box, configured and installed 
everything fine, except that it doesn't generate anything. 

Has anyone tried it successfully?

I would appreciate any hint.

---
=======================================================

John Safar                           jsafar@lehman.com
                  I've seen things that you people ...

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From: CARPENTERV@vmsa.csd.mu.edu ("V.S.Carpenter")
Subject: Need NCSA_HTTPD binaries for Linux
Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 14:26:29 -0500 (CDT)



Hi.. I need the binaries for NCSA_HTTPD as I want to start up a little Web
server on my Linux PC.  I've checked NCSA, but they don't have the binaries 
for Linux and I don't have enough room on my HD to install GCC/C++ and all 
the libraries. 

Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

Vinny
==============================================================================
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     Author of the INTERNET-MENU for OpenVMS and Learn C/C++ TODAY List
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From: gt8134b@prism.gatech.edu (Robert Sanders)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Linux .MOD players?
Date: 16 May 1994 17:45:22 -0400

rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen) writes:

>In <2r6sjd$5ca@nnrp.ucs.ubc.ca> smthomas@unixg.ubc.ca (Shawn Matthew Thomas) writes:

>>I just recompiled my kernel to get the sound support for my GUS so now 
>>I'm looking for some .MOD players... preferably for X.  I thought I read 
>>something about it here awhile back but my locale dumps messages pretty 
>>quickly :(.

>Look for "gmod".  I have version 1.2b, and it is great.  I believe
>a newer version was made available in the meantime.
>I also recently downloaded a program called "s3mod" but it is no good
>for playing .MODs (it supports a different format, maybe it is good at
>playing that)

Get gmod 1.3 from sunsite.unc.edu in /pub/Linux/apps/sound/players or
something like that.  It only works on the Gravis UltraSound (for now),
but it handles 4/6/8 voice .mod, .669, .ult (UltraTracker), .mtm (MultiTracker),
and .s3m (ScreamTracker III) files.

It uses less than 1% CPU for playing most files and won't skip even when your
system is heavily loaded.  It still lacks a neat user interface with meters,
Fourier transforms, etc., but it sounds good, which is the most important
thing.


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From: rene@renux.frmug.fr.net (Rene COUGNENC)
Subject: Re: accentuated characters (diacritics)
Date: 16 May 1994 13:25:05 GMT
Reply-To: cougnenc@hsc.fr.net (Rene COUGNENC)

Ce brave Martin Carmichael ecrit:


> Does linux support acentuated characters?
> Having to support french speaking (or spanish), Is there any good word 
> processing software available for linux, with diacritics characters support?

3 lines in french as a demo:

Bien s{r Martin, par difaut que ce soit sous X11 ou sur les consoles textes,
Linux supporte le jeu ISO-8859-1, comme le dimontrent ces lignes tapies sous
'vi', si les 8 bits ont riussi ` traverser l'atlantique...

If you can get the fr.* Usenet news hierarchy, there is a newsgroup called
"fr.news.8bits" where the problems with accentuated characters on most
Unix systems are discussed, a very intesting FAQ about this is regularly
posted in it.
 
I'm not a word processor specialist, but TeX works fine under Linux.
--
 linux linux linux linux -[ cougnenc@renux.frmug.fr.net ]- linux linux linux 

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From: newcombe@aa.csc.peachnet.edu (Dan Newcombe)
Subject: Re: Linux in PC Week again (May 9th issue)
Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 16:39:19 UNDEFINED

In article <CpwMzL.53D@pe1chl.ampr.org> rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen) writes:
>>In article 1r5@coconut.cs.scarolina.edu, moss@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu 
>>>I heard a rumor that OSF might be releasing Motif to the public in about
>>>a year.  (ie GPL or something similar)  Has anyone heard anything
>>>similar.  I just thought I'd ask to see if anyone else out there had
>>>heard the same rumor.
>>>
>>That would be marvelous...but wouldn't all the people who had previously
>>paid for it be annoyed?

>People that are annouyed by seeing things appearing on the market for
>(nearly) free that they earlier paid a lot of money for, better don't
>buy anything related to computing...  (especially hardware, but probably
>software as well)

I weep everytime I look at computer shopper.

In 1984 or so, my Dad bought an XT clone - and paid about $2000+ for it (Mono, 
640K, 20 Meg Hard Drive, 2 5.25" drives).  Now you are lucky if you can pay 
someone $200 to take it :)  (Actually, $200 is the going price I've seen them 
before.)

A couple years ago I got the following:
        386DX33 w/ 4Megs, 120 Meg HD, SVGA  (Gateway 2000) for $1899.
You can now get basically the same machine, but with a 486, 300+ Meg HD, CD, 
sound, and 16.8 million colors for the same price or less.

I go to stores like Best Buy and Media Play and look at the software they have 
in the "El Cheapo" bins.   For years I wanted to get a hold of "StarFlight" by 
Electronic Arts.  Everytime I saw it in the store it was still $40+ (I was 
still mowing lawns then - that was a lot!)  Last week I saw it for $9.   did I 
get it?  no.  Looking at  it and comparing it to todays stuff, it's a joke.

To anyone that is thinking of buying a computer, I'd wait a bit, and see what 
the Pentium, 486DX4, and PowerPC does to the high-end 486dx2 market.

        -Dan, who remembers when IBM PS/2 model 80's were going for $10,000!!!

--
Dan Newcombe                    newcombe@aa.csc.peachnet.edu
Clayton State College           Morrow, Georgia
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"And the man in the mirror has sad eyes."       -Marillion

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From: tran@f18sun5.nwc.navy.mil (Tri Tran)
Subject: Re: Which version should I use
Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 22:44:25 GMT

In article <2qta5n$og6@taco.cc.ncsu.edu>,
George k Frimpong <twfg@unity.ncsu.edu> wrote:
>I finally gave up on JANA and went for InfoMagic (should arrive today 
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Good move.  You'll never regrete it.  Anyone who's waiting for Jay and
his latest trick will have to wait along time.

>or tomorrow).  Being a Linux (but not Unix) newbie, I was wondering which 
>version I should install when the CD's get here?  From what I understand, 
>I'll have SLS and Slackware, and ...  Any opinions?  I am running on a 
>Gateway 486DX2/50 with about 110Mb of disk set aside for Linux (could be 

Try Slackware.  It works wonder for me and I even had OS/2 Boot disk
installed.  With 110Mb, don't install everything in the distribution.
Don't think it'll fit.  The script is very good and you'll have the
system up and running in no time.  Just make sure you read all of the 
howto docs that you can get before hand.  Helps in case you get in
trouble.  Good luck.

Tri


>more if _abs_ necessary) and 20Mb RAM.  
>
>Any help would be great.
>
>Thanks!
>Jeff Kiel
>



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From: pt@gandalf.ca (Paul Tomblin)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
Subject: tcpdump: how to make a socket only look at one ethernet card
Date: 16 May 1994 16:30:06 -0400

In the pcap-linux.c module in tcpdump, it opens a
socket(AF_INET,SOCK_PACKET,PROTO), then it does an ioctl (SIOCSIFFLAGS) to
set the appropriate device to promiscuous (although it does the test
backwards).  But that doesn't do anything about shutting up the other
device(s).  So consequently, tcpdump sees all the packets on the specified
device, but it also sees all packets aimed at the host running tcpdump on any
other ethernet devices present.  This is pretty confusing!

Does anybody have any suggestions on how to make socket() only hear packets
on one ethernet device?

-- 
Paul Tomblin, Head - Automation Design Group.
Gandalf Canada Limited
This is not an official statement of Gandalf, or of Vicki Robinson.
"Hello, this is Linus Torvalds, and I pronounce Linux as Linux"

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From: gmerin@panix.com (Gary Merinstein)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: [Request]: Dump program!
Date: 16 May 1994 20:06:20 -0400

In <1994May16.094342.13185@imec.be> buytaert@imec.be (Steven Buytaert) writes:

>Gioacchino La_vecchia (gio@cli.di.unipi.it) wrote:
>:      Is there any program for dump in Linux environment?

>  Gio,

>  Check out 'man od' and its options. Maybe that can
>  help you out... 
>  An 'apropos dump' could also get you started...

fyi, i believe dump/rdump/ufsdump is used for image device backups, 
whereas od is related to hexdump (or octal dump) routines used for debugging.

i have also been looking for a dump/rdump/ufsdump pgm for linux for a few 
months now - i originally looked at porting the bsd code, but their code 
assumes a ufs-type file system (which linux didn't {doesn't?} have) so it 
wasn't of much use. it seems to be more involved than the code for the pc 
tape drive units, and more tightly tied into the actual/virtual hardware 
architecture. 

-gmm

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From: robertsw@agcs.com (Wallace Roberts)
Subject: Re: MITSUMI - final word
Date: 16 May 1994 17:17:18 -0700

In article <2qpntl$7qn@bronze.lcs.mit.edu>, OMEN <omen@bronze.lcs.mit.edu> wrote:
>mount: /dev/mcd is not a valid block device.
>
> Someone give me the bottom line: IS the mitsumi supported at my
>kernel level? If not, at a higher level?  What the hell am I 
>doing wrond?  I'd really like to be able to access the Linux Toolkit

i'm running linux 0.99pl13 on a 486/isa box with a mitsumi cdrom drive.
linux will only recognize the mitsumi if i boot it with the mitsumi's
door open... i kid you not.

otoh, if i do this, then i can't run x because it reports that the mouse
(logitech busmouse) device is busy.  go figure. :-(

i've already bought the latest infomagic cdrom set, so i'll be installing
the slackware distribution & hopefully this will cure these quirks... :-?

gears,
ye wilde ryder
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