Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #119
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Date:     Tue, 17 May 94 00:13:17 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #119, Volume #2                Tue, 17 May 94 00:13:17 EDT

Contents:
  XLIB: Odd Problem With XGetWindowProperty (Christopher Shaulis)
  Re: Improving Linux performance: What works best? (Richard Haakma)
  Re: Zeos Pantera OK ? (E. Robert Tisdale)
  Re: Clothes named after programming languages (Lawrence Allen)
  Re: linux 1.1.12 and gcc 2.4.5? (Graham Chapman)
  Re: Term 115 (beta) is out. (Patrick Reijnen)
  Re: Novell is trying to Sell a derivative of Linux for a big (Thomas Quinot)
  xv viewer (Daniel J Rabinowitz)
  [Announcement] LOADLIN v1.4 for DOS (Chuck Munro)
  Re: Clothes named after programming languages (C.P. Brown)
  What Linux CD distribution to buy? (Franc Ragsac)
  Re: Clothes named after programming languages (Dan Pop)
  Re: Linux in PC Week again (May 9th issue) (Russell Nelson)
  Re: [Request]: Dump program! (Ron Smits)
  Re: How long has your Linux Boxbeen up? (Vir Lagua (y.a.c.c.))

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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.help
From: cjs@netcom.com (Christopher Shaulis)
Subject: XLIB: Odd Problem With XGetWindowProperty
Date: Sat, 14 May 1994 03:36:10 GMT

Here is an odd problem that I'm having. I can create an window property 
with XInternAtom and XChangeProperty. If I run xprop, it will show that 
the property has been created with the correct value. But when I try to 
retrieve the property (which is an interger set to 0) I am returned a 
value of 32K something. I've followed every example I could find, and 
I've read through the docs as well. I'm afraid I can't see the problem. 
I'm hoping that some of you can. =)

/* Creating the property */
  handle->prop = XInternAtom(display,"TEST",False);
  XChangeProperty(display,
                  handle->window,
                  handle->prop,
                  XA_INTEGER,
                  32,
                  PropModeAppend,
                  &temp,
                  1);

/* Output from xprop */
TEST(INTEGER) = 0
WM_HINTS(WM_HINTS):
                Client accepts input or input focus: True
                Initial state is Normal State.
WM_NORMAL_HINTS(WM_SIZE_HINTS):
                program specified location: 16, 248
                program specified size: 592 by 16
WM_ICON_NAME(STRING) =
WM_NAME(STRING) = "TW"

/* Retrieveing the property */
  Atom type_return;
  int format_return;
  unsigned long nitems_return;
  unsigned long bytes_after_return;
  unsigned long prop_return; 

  XGetWindowProperty(event->xany.display,
                     event->xany.window,
                     handle->prop,
                     0L,
                     1L,
                     False,
                     XA_INTEGER,
                     &type_return,
                     &format_return,
                     &nitems_return,
                     &bytes_after_return,
                     (unsigned long**)&prop_return);

/* Value returned */
32760

Hope someone sees what I'm doing wrong.
Christopher
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From: richard@ricks.ak.planet.co.nz (Richard Haakma)
Subject: Re: Improving Linux performance: What works best?
Date: Sat, 14 May 1994 05:58:16 GMT

mlord@bnr.ca (Mark Lord) writes:

>In article <dhdCpKC40.Cpy@netcom.com> dhd@netcom.com writes:
>>I have a 486 DX2/66 with 8mb RAM, an UltraStor 34F SCSI controller and
>>a 1.8GB Quantum SCSI hard disk.  (I also have a 1MB Cirrus Logic video
>>card, a NEC 4FG monitor, and a BocaBoard 2016 multi-port serial card,
>>but I don't think any of those are relevent).
>>
>>The system is being used as a platform for my original Internet-oriented
>>online service software.
>>
>>When news is being processed through the system, I find that it slows
>>down to a crawl.  I would like to speed it up.  I'm thinking of one or

>Presumably you are already using  inn  rather than  cnews  or  bnews  ?
>-- 
>mlord@bnr.ca   Mark Lord       BNR Ottawa,Canada       613-763-7482

News volume has increased so much that I know at least one full-feed news
site has all news unpacking being done on a separate machine, even when
using Sun Sparcstations.  The local university has also got a machine
basically devoted to news only.

You may need to consider doing the same.

-- 
Richard A. Haakma               richard@ricks.ak.planet.co.nz
Linux, SunOS, MSDOS admin       richard@kcbbs.gen.nz

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.admin
From: edwin@maui.cs.ucla.edu (E. Robert Tisdale)
Subject: Re: Zeos Pantera OK ?
Date: Sun, 15 May 94 08:01:04 GMT

In article <sib1.768979718@Isis.MsState.Edu>
sib1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Shahid Ikram Butt) writes:

>I am considering buying a Zeos Pantera machine with 486DX2-66, 16MB RAM,
>3PCI 5 ISA slots, on board Adaptec 6360 SCSI controller chip and a Diamond
>Speedstar 64 PCI (1meg) video card.
>
>I am wondering if someone out there has the same or a similar machine 
>running Linux ?  I would hate to buy the machine and find out I made a 
>mistake. Any help will be greatly appreciated. 

Why don't you ask Zeos to install Linux for you?  Try calling Greg Herrick,
the president of Zeos International LTD at (612) 623-9614 during normal
business hours.  You probably won't get Greg Herrick but you may get to
talk to a vice president in marketing who can decide whether or not Zeos
should install Linux on the machines that they sell if the customers asks
them to do so.  Like Zeos, most mail order computer vendors have never
heard of Linux and have no idea what kind of market there might be for
mail order Linux workstations.  They just might decide to install Linux
if enough customers tell them that they should.  Good Luck, Bob Tisdale.

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Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology
From: lra0322@mcdata.com (Lawrence Allen)
Subject: Re: Clothes named after programming languages
Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 17:08:00 GMT

Geoffrey Spear (gspear+@CMU.EDU) wrote:
: lmccarth@cs.umass.edu (Lewis (YDNCTFL YWSRCFAOTW) McCarthy) writes:
: > alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith) writes:
: > >For C/C++ programmers, the obvious thing to wear would be a set of
: > >matching braces.
: > 
: > { Notice: this joke may be puzzling for some readers in the States }

: this is, of course, because most American C compilers don't use {}'s
: because American keyboards don't have a { key.  

Yeah. That's why I bought my C compiler from Turbo, the outfit founded 
by that French guy, Pascal. 
I had my keyboard shipped over from Europe, just to get the braces.
 
Lawrence "I can't find the 'ANY' key on this thing" Allen


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From: grahamc@kralizec.zeta.org.au (Graham Chapman)
Crossposted-To: aus.computers.linux,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: linux 1.1.12 and gcc 2.4.5?
Date: 15 May 1994 21:58:59 +1000

In <1994May14.012234.10106@muffin.apana.org.au> cas@muffin.apana.org.au (Craig Sanders) writes:

>grahamc@kralizec.zeta.org.au (Graham Chapman) writes:

>    particular, libg.a was a sym link to libc.a - I guess things have
>    changed a lot since SLS 1.03 was released.  I don't think that this
>    was documented in the release notes...I had to figure it out myself.

Hmm. I didn't run into this one. My /usr/lib/libg.a is still a symlink to 
libc.a. I might dig into this a little...

>I installed all of the above except for tools 2.10 - what's in that,
>and where do you get it from?  It certainly wasn't in the archive I
>ftp-ed GCC 2.5.8 and libc 4.5.21 from because i did an "mget *" to leech
>everything.

Tools was written by Eric Youngdale and provides tools to generate 
DLL jumptable libraries. The current version is tools-2.11.
You can get it from tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/linux/packages/GCC/src.
Archie almost certainly has a copy, but I found mine right here on
kralizec.


>I didn't have to rebuild anything - I just extracted the binaries and
>the include files in the right places, and everything worked.  Then I
>rebuilt the kernel with the new libraries - just so everything is up to
>date - and it worked fine.

I obviously got different packages. The gcc 2.5.8 and libc 4.5.21 both
contained source only and had to be built. The packages were both put
together by H.J Lu. Libc 4.5.21 was the one which had the line at the
start that you quoted to someone else the other day: something about
"if you miss ONE LINE of this document then this library may not work
for you". One of those lines said that tools 2.10 was needed.


Binutils, ld.so and libg++ were binary releases.

Quite possibly I upgraded the hard way, but I wanted to get packages which
were complete and which I could trust. I also wanted to see a bit about
how the packages and the compiler etc fit together. Having done it 
once, I might go for a binary install next time I upgrade, but where can
I get a full binary release which is complete and consistent etc?


Graham

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From: patrickr@sci.kun.nl (Patrick Reijnen)
Subject: Re: Term 115 (beta) is out.
Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 14:54:09 GMT

In <1994May15.054431.4716@nmt.edu> swhitlat@nmt.edu (Steven Whitlatch) writes:

>In article <CpsBvv.J45@du.edu> yohgaki@cassandra.cair.du.edu (Yasuo Ohgaki) writes:
>>I've tried term115 on AIX. It still can't compile on AIX. :(
>>(I'm using xlc. no gcc on the AIX :(
>>

>       No quick, easy compile on SunOS_4.1 either.

>       Anyone get a successful compile on Sun yet?

>       Steve Whitlatch
>       swhitlat@prism.nmt.edu

>       nice and easy on Linux though


Yep, I had a (not easy) compile on sunos. Just let me know your problems.



Patrick Reijnen

--
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* Patrick Reijnen                                                 *
* Department of Computer Science, Catholic University of Nijmegen * 
* Email: patrickr@{sci,cs}.kun.nl    (Make your choice)           *

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From: thomas@melchior.frmug.fr.net (Thomas Quinot)
Subject: Re: Novell is trying to Sell a derivative of Linux for a big
Date: 13 May 1994 12:41:31 +0200

jmk8213@ritvax.isc.rit.edu wrote:
: This Novell thing is an operating system; WordPerfect is an application
: that runs on an operating system, like DOS.
Well, they might be preparing something like the Yggdrasil CD-rom, which
Yggradsil calls the LGX (Linux, GNU, X Window) "operating system", that is,
a (supposedly) coherent distribution, which gives you an up-and-running system
with a single installation, and which may contain (for example) configuration
scripts, or whatever.

My 2 cents worth...

Thomas.

-- 
ThoThoThoThoTho
        Totolitoto !

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From: djr@ruphys.rutgers.edu (Daniel J Rabinowitz)
Subject: xv viewer
Date: 16 May 94 18:30:06 GMT


        Having problems compiling xv under linux.  Anyone been able to do it?

-dan
djr@physics.rutgers.edu
-- 
===============================================================================
             <a href="http://electron.rutgers.edu/~djr/">
            Daniel J Rabinowitz -- djr@physics.rutgers.edu      </a>
                 Department of Physics, Rutgers University

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From: chuckm@canada.hp.com (Chuck Munro)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: [Announcement] LOADLIN v1.4 for DOS
Date: 16 May 1994 18:34:20 GMT

Crossposted to c.o.l.{development,admin,help,misc}


  Announcing Version 1.4 of the LOADLIN Linux Boot Utility for DOS !

  (c) Hans Lermen     lermen@elserv.ffm.fgan.de


  LOADLIN is a DOS-based utility which allows you to boot Linux from:

     1)  A DOS comand line

     2)  A DOS batch file

     3)  The DOS CONFIG.SYS menu facility


  LOADLIN eliminates some of the dangers of using LILO, especially for
  those new users who have not mastered the intricacies of LILO's
  configuration.  Your DOS Master Boot Record is not modified in any way.

  The LOADLIN package also supports the booting of a UMSDOS system by
  providing automatic translation of DOS drive names to Linux device files.

  LOADLIN is a follow-on to F.Coutant's BOOTLIN utility.  It fully
  supports the command line parameters feature of Linux kernels
  (revision 0.99pl15 and later).  This includes the ability to pass
  environment variables to Linux which can then be examined by your
  bootup "rc" scripts, to customize the bootup behaviour of Linux.
  Boot-time parameters can also be passed to several Linux drivers.

  LOADLIN has been enhanced to work with most DOS extended-memory
  managers.  The UMSDOS translation feature works with any type of
  boot disk which is accessible via BIOS INT13 (for example, IDE and
  SCSI disks which are accessed directly via BIOS).

  The LOADLIN package includes full source code and documentation.

  LOADLIN Version 1.4 will be available by ftp from  sunsite.unc.edu
  in the file  pub/Linux/system/Linux-boot/lodln14.tgz  just as soon
  as it is moved from the Incoming directory.

  Questions can be directed to:  Hans Lermen   lermen@elserv.ffm.fgan.de
                            or:  Chuck Munro   chuckm@canada.hp.com

  Following is the LSM entry:

 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

 Begin2
 Title        = LOADLIN, loads Linux with command line from DOS
 Version      = 1.4
 Desc1        = This is a BOOTLIN-like program that runs under MSDOS.
 Desc2        = It can boot Linux from a DOS prompt or CONFIG.SYS, and fully
 Desc3        = supports the command line feature of the Linux kernel.
 Desc4        = It's very useful in conjunction with precompiled kernel images
 Desc5        = because boot configuration can be done without recompilation.
 Author       = Hans Lermen
 AuthorEmail  = lermen@elserv.ffm.fgan.de
 Maintainer   = Hans Lermen
 MaintEmail   = lermen@elserv.ffm.fgan.de
 Site1        = elserv.ffm.fgan.de
 Path1        = /pub/linux/loadlin-1.4
 File1        = lodlin14.tgz
 FileSize1    = 81K
 Site2        = sunsite.unc.edu
 Path2        = /pub/Linux/system/Linux-boot
 File2        = lodlin14.tgz
 FileSize2    = 81K
 Required1    = Linux > 0.99.14  (better >= 1.0.5)
 Required2    = MSDOS (or compatible operating system)
 CopyPolicy1  = GPL
 Keywords     = LOADLIN, BOOT
 Comment1     = Also works in virtual-86 mode (VCPI server needed).
 Comment2     = Built-in test option (-t) to isolate most problems, with DOS
 Comment3     = configuration and/or Linux boot parameters verbose output.
 Comment4     = DOS drive-letter to /dev/xxx translation to support UMSDOS.
 RelFiles1    = loadlin.exe, loadlinX.exe, realbios.exe, biosintv.sys
 Entered      = 16MAY94
 EnteredBy    = Hans Lermen
 CheckedEmail = lermen@elserv.ffm.fgan.de
 End

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From: cpb1001@cl.cam.ac.uk (C.P. Brown)
Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Clothes named after programming languages
Date: 16 May 1994 16:24:22 GMT
Reply-To: cpb1001@hermes.cam.ac.uk

In article <b7xrjesEdoUS062yn@panix.com>, jaycjay@panix.com (Jay C Jachimiak) writes:

|> That's not always true.  I'm using an IBM PC that I bought in 1984.  It
|> does have a { key, but has no } key - so I still can't use my darn 
|> european C compiler.  If anyone in Europe has an American "braceless"
|> compiler they'd be willing to trade, I'd appreciate it.

If it's compiling pr-written source wouldn't it work OK anyway? If you want to
write your own programs, why not use the two trigraphs:

??< and ??>

-- 
     //    Chris Brown.  finger cpb1001@hermes.cam.ac.uk for my PGP public key.
 \\ //  Cambridge University Computer Society discounts officer
  \X/ Amiga - rising from the ashes.

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From: francr@crl.com (Franc Ragsac)
Subject: What Linux CD distribution to buy?
Date: 15 May 1994 01:17:37 -0700

I'm shopping for Linux in CDs.
I've heard TransAmeritech, Walnut  Creek and Ygdrassil.
Anyone know which one is easier to install?

Thanks for your advice
franc

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Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology
From: danpop@cernapo.cern.ch (Dan Pop)
Subject: Re: Clothes named after programming languages
Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 20:53:21 GMT

In <b7xrjesEdoUS062yn@panix.com> jaycjay@panix.com (Jay C Jachimiak) writes:

>Geoffrey Spear  wrote:
>
>> lmccarth@cs.umass.edu (Lewis (YDNCTFL YWSRCFAOTW) McCarthy) writes:
>> > alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith) writes:
>> > >For C/C++ programmers, the obvious thing to wear would be a set of
>> > >matching braces.
>> > 
>> > { Notice: this joke may be puzzling for some readers in the States }
>> 
>> this is, of course, because most American C compilers don't use {}'s
>> because American keyboards don't have a { key.  
>
>That's not always true.  I'm using an IBM PC that I bought in 1984.  It
>does have a { key, but has no } key - so I still can't use my darn 
>european C compiler.  If anyone in Europe has an American "braceless"
>compiler they'd be willing to trade, I'd appreciate it.
>
Every ANSI C compiler is braceless!
Just use ??< instead of { and ??> instead of }.
If you're using gcc, don't forget the -ansi option.

Dan
-- 
Dan Pop 
CERN, CN Division
Email: danpop@cernapo.cern.ch
Mail:  CERN - PPE, Bat. 31 R-004, CH-1211 Geneve 23, Switzerland

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From: nelson@crynwr.crynwr.com (Russell Nelson)
Subject: Re: Linux in PC Week again (May 9th issue)
Date: 15 May 1994 03:07:48 GMT

In article <1994May14.220238.26443@cs.cornell.edu> mdw@cs.cornell.edu (Matt Welsh) writes:

   In article <1994May14.154731.29192@news.cs.indiana.edu> "Eric Jeschke" <jeschke@cs.indiana.edu> writes:
   >Anyway, in reference to Mosaic/Web he says "virtually every component
   >is available as freeware, including a public-domain version of Unix".
   >I'm almost certain he is referring to Linux.

   If so, he's dead wrong about the "public domain" part.

Yeah, but the term "public domain" seems to be changing to mean
"freely copyable".  But I'll keep fighting the good fight.

--
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From: ron@draconia.hacktic.nl (Ron Smits)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: [Request]: Dump program!
Date: 16 May 1994 13:57:00 GMT

In article <1994May16.094342.13185@imec.be> buytaert@imec.be (Steven Buytaert) writes:

   Gioacchino La_vecchia (gio@cli.di.unipi.it) wrote:
   :    Is there any program for dump in Linux environment?

     Gio,

     Check out 'man od' and its options. Maybe that can
     help you out... 
     An 'apropos dump' could also get you started...

     --Stef

   --
   Steven Buytaert 

   WORK buytaert@imec.be
   HOME buytaert@innet.be

           'Imagination is more important then knowledge.'
                           (A. Einstein)


I think he means the BSD dump and rdump programs for making backups.
If this is what he means he might check out tbackup and afio



--



                Ron Smits
                ron@draconia.hacktic.nl
                Ron.Smits@Netherlands.NCR.COM

/*-( My opinions are my opinions, My boss's opinions are his opinions )-*/
/*-(                They might not be the same                        )-*/

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From: vir@xmission.com (Vir Lagua (y.a.c.c.))
Subject: Re: How long has your Linux Boxbeen up?
Date: 16 May 1994 18:45:36 GMT

David Minor (dminor@metronet.com) wrote:
: Just out of curiosity, how long has your Linux system been up?  I have a 
: client who is using a Linux system as a DOS file server.  Due to power work
: being done over the weekend, I had to shut it down after 146 days, 22 hours
: and 7 minutes.  "Joshua" is Slackware 1.1.0 (0.99.pl13) on a 386/33 ALR.

: -Dave


        I had one that ran non-stop for more than 300 days.  It was
        running SLS1.01+lx099.pl6 (if anybody can remember Peter's
        1.01 release) before I was down-sized from Corporate-America
        last Feb 15, 1994.  It was running on a 486-25MHz/8MB/680MB/
        WD8003/ET4000 system.  Alas, it's probably running DOS now.
        A UNIX solution company that ran more DOS machines than UNIX.

CUL,
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