Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #118
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Mon, 16 May 94 21:13:43 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #118, Volume #2                Mon, 16 May 94 21:13:43 EDT

Contents:
  Re: GNU C Lib Ref Manual (news@vision.uccs.edu)
  Hello las@uucp.light-house! (Russell Marks)
  Re: Streets named after programming languages (Jim Graham)
  2 Graphiccards + 2 Monitors ?? (Holger Biber)
  Sync serial cards for Linux (Matt Harrop)
  Re: Novell is trying to Sell a derivative of Linux for a big (Robert Sanders)
  Re: Clothes named after programming languages (Jay C Jachimiak)
  Re: Xfree86/mouse/IRQ/config problem (John M. Collinson)
  NeXT like voice mail ? (Shahid Ikram Butt)
  Re: Streets named after programming languages (Doug Claar)
  SERVER BUG XFree v2.0 (MACH8) Under Linux (Christopher Shaulis)
  SERVER BUG XFree v2.0 (MACH8) Under Linux (Christopher Shaulis)
  Re: Interest in a weekly Linux news? (Matt Welsh)
  Re: Linux on Leading Edge? (Frank Lofaro)
  Re: Clothes named after programming languages (Anthony E. Siegman)

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From: news@vision.uccs.edu
Subject: Re: GNU C Lib Ref Manual
Date: 16 May 1994 07:49:23 -0600

danubius@chinook.halcyon.com (Joe Pannon) writes:
: I was just reading Michael K. Johnson's "Introduction to the GNU C
: Library" in the Linux Journal where the author claims that the "GNU C
: Reference Manual" exists in electronic form but fails to point out 
: where and how to get it.
: 
: Can anybody clue me in on this?
: 
Try "sunsite.unc.edu: pub/Linux/Incoming/glibc-1.06.info.tar.gz", it
was there this morning 16 May 94 at 08:30 CDT.

Louis-ljl-  (lou@minuet.siue.edu)

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From: rm1ajy2@greenwich.ac.uk (Russell Marks)
Subject: Hello las@uucp.light-house!
Date: 16 May 1994 12:38:34 -0400
Reply-To: rm1ajy2@greenwich.ac.uk (Russell Marks)

#ifdef ABUSE_OF_NEWSGROUP

Laslo, I have no other way of reaching you! (hope you read this) I email
las@light-house.uucp and it doesn't work; Unknown domain 'uucp.light-house'.
Can you send me a bang-path or something, and tell me some other way to
reach you that doesn't involve posting to a newsgroup!?

#endif

(apologies to everyone else)
-Rus.

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Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers
From: jim@n5ial.mythical.com (Jim Graham)
Subject: Re: Streets named after programming languages
Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 03:37:19 GMT

In article <2qtnlo$adj@crcnis1.unl.edu> jbettis@cse.unl.edu
(Jeremy Bettis) writes:

>There is a Disk Drive in Rapid City, South Dakota.  Rushmore Mall is located
>at 100 Disk Drive.

Let's take it a step further....  Just imagine, if you will, an apartment
building where the apartments are given letters, instead of numbers---there
are lots (no pun intended) of those around here.

Now, imagine something like ``330M Disk Drive''.  :-)

Sorry, couldn't resist.  We now return you to your regularly scheduled
Linux discussion (or for those in alt.folklore.computers, whatever...).

Later,
   --jim

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From: hbiber@hesse.uni-paderborn.de (Holger Biber)
Subject: 2 Graphiccards + 2 Monitors ??
Date: 16 May 1994 14:16:11 GMT

Hey Linuxer !
I have a little(great) problem. Here in the university they give
me a new PC (486 DX2-66, 16MB-Ram, 600MB-HDD, Ethernet-card,
Mitsumi CD-Rom )with 2 (!) Graphiccards and 2 Monitors.
So i install Linux 1.0 Slackware 1.2 on this PC.
The Graphiccards are the following :
  1.Card : ET4000 based VGA-Card with a 14" Color-Monitor
           (640x480)
  2.Card : ATI Ultra Pro Mach32-Card with 2MB-Ram and a
           19" const.-frequency Monitor from Hitachi
           (64 kHz @ 1280x1024)
The problem is :
 Boot (with Lilo) and show the boot-messages
(and console-messages) on the small monitor and then (as root)
start X (with xdm) on the big monitor.
How can I manage this ????
With MessDos and WinDos it runs when configuring some
(Dos-)config-files, but how under Linux ?

Perhaps someone could help me !
Please mail me or post it to thios group !
   Bye bye
        Holger
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From: mharrop@interlog.com (Matt Harrop)
Subject: Sync serial cards for Linux
Date: 16 May 1994 10:23:47 -0400


Hello all,
  I'm starting up a public access Internet site, and some of my customers
have asked me about using free Unix clones on cheapo PCs as routers to
connect their networks.  I use BSDI (no flames please), and I know that
I can use a BSDI box with a RISCom sync-serial card as a 56K router.  Does
Linux have this ability?  I assume that it's easy to use Linux as a router
from a dial-up SLIP line to ethernet.  If it supports any sync-serial cards
I assume that it would be equaly easy to set up a Linux box to route from
a 56/64K leased line to ethernet.

Cheers,
-- 
Matt Harrop                                     mharrop@interlog.com
InterLog Internet Services  voice (416) 537-7453  fax (416) 532-5015
Online   Publishing,   Marketing,   and   Support  on  the  Internet
Dedicated Dial-Up and Leased Line SLIP or PPP Internet Connnectivity

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From: gt8134b@prism.gatech.edu (Robert Sanders)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Novell is trying to Sell a derivative of Linux for a big
Date: 16 May 1994 15:41:50 -0400

ron@draconia.hacktic.nl (Ron Smits) writes:

>I wish Novell would say something about it. The last thing I would
>want is a split in the Linux community between Novell-Linux and
>Linus-Linux. I think that would be a bad thing indeed

Ah, well, if it brings in 5x the people then a split is still a
net gain for Linus-Linux.  And it's very unlikely that Novell-Linux
would abandon binary compatibility with Linus-Linux -- in fact,
there's no way for Novell-Linux to make a kernel change that Linus-Linux
can't merge back in -- so Linus-Linux would benefit from binaries produced
for Novell-Linux.

There's no way to lose.

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From: jaycjay@panix.com (Jay C Jachimiak)
Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Clothes named after programming languages
Date: 16 May 1994 12:04:30 -0400

Geoffrey Spear  wrote:

> lmccarth@cs.umass.edu (Lewis (YDNCTFL YWSRCFAOTW) McCarthy) writes:
> > alien@acheron.amigans.gen.nz (Ross Smith) writes:
> > >For C/C++ programmers, the obvious thing to wear would be a set of
> > >matching braces.
> > 
> > { Notice: this joke may be puzzling for some readers in the States }
> 
> this is, of course, because most American C compilers don't use {}'s
> because American keyboards don't have a { key.  

That's not always true.  I'm using an IBM PC that I bought in 1984.  It
does have a { key, but has no } key - so I still can't use my darn 
european C compiler.  If anyone in Europe has an American "braceless"
compiler they'd be willing to trade, I'd appreciate it.


                                     -Jay
                                      jaycjay@panix.com in NYC



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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.os.linux.development,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,aus.computers.linux,fr.comp.os.linux,maus.os.linux,de.comp.os.linux,fj.os.linux,no.linux
From: csjmc@blaze.trentu.ca (John M. Collinson)
Subject: Re: Xfree86/mouse/IRQ/config problem
Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 19:50:23 GMT

In article <2r10br$gfm@panix.com>, Douglas Donahue <odoncaoa@panix.com> wrote:
>Greetings,
>
>
>Here are the entries in /dev:
>
>lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root            8 Mar 23 08:05 mouse -> bmousems
>crw-rw-rw-   1 root     root      10,   2 Nov 30 14:30 bmousems
>
>Here is the output of startx:
>
>> XFree86 Version 2.0 / X Window System
>> (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 5000)
>> Operating System: Linux 
>> Configured drivers:
>>   VGA256: server for 8-bit colour SVGA (Patchlevel 0):
>>       et4000, et3000, pvga1, wd90c00, wd90c10, wd90c30, wd90c31, gvga, ati,
>>       tvga8800cs, tvga8900b, tvga8900c, tvga8900cl, tvga9000, clgd5420,
>>       clgd5422, clgd5424, clgd5426, clgd5428, clgd6205, clgd6215, clgd6225,
>>       clgd6235, ncr77c22, ncr77c22e, cpq_avga, oti067, oti077
>> (using VT number 7)
>> 
>> Xconfig: /usr2/odoncaoa/Xconfig
>> (**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values
>> (**) Mouse: type: Microsoft, device: /dev/mouse, baudrate: 9600
                     ^^^^^^^^^                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                     I think your problem lies here, but If I am wrong
                     please feel free to correct me.  Your Xconfig file
                     should contain the line:
                     Busmouse         /dev/mouse
                     and comment out your baud setting.  The microsoft
                     setting the way i understand it is for serial
                     mice.


>> (**) FontPath set to "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,
>> /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc/"
>> (**) VGA256: chipset:  tvga8900c
>> (**) VGA256: videoram: 1024k
>> (**) VGA256: clocks:  25.20  28.30  44.90  36.00  50.35  40.35  65.00  75.00
>> (--) VGA256: Maximum allowed dot-clock: 90MHz
>> (**) VGA256: Mode "800x600": mode clock =  36.000, clock used =  36.000
>> (**) VGA256: Mode "640x480": mode clock =  25.000, clock used =  25.200
>> (**) VGA256: Virtual resolution set to 800x600
>> (--) VGA256: SpeedUp code selection modified because virtualX != 1024
>> Warning: unable to get status of mouse fd (Invalid argument)
>>
>> waiting for X server to shut down 
>> 
>> xinit:  Unknown error (errno 0):  Client error.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Doug

John Collinson

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From: sib1@Ra.MsState.Edu (Shahid Ikram Butt)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: NeXT like voice mail ?
Date: 15 May 1994 00:26:50 -0500


I have not installed Linux on my machine yet, I am looking to do that 
real soon. A quick question. Is anybody working on NeXT-like voice 
mail system for Linux ? I like the ability to send/receive voice mail on my
computer.  Just about everybody has sounblaster or compatible card and
it shouldn't be difficult to stnadardize something like that. 

If we could get voice messages and gifs in the sig file of a voice message
we'd very close to video-conferencing without wasting all that bandwidth.
The data could also be automatically compressed/decompressed 
uudecoded/uuencoded etc ? 

How easy or difficult something like this should be to write ? Does something 
like this already exist for Linux ? I haven't noticed in any Linux users' sigs
as I do in NeXT owners' sigs. Imagine putting "Linux mail accepted here" next
to your email address. 

Any ideas ?


Shahid
   ______________________sib1@Ra.Msstate.Edu____________________________
                  Cruising Information Super Highway
                  WWW : http://www.msstate.edu/~sib1

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Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology,alt.humor.puns
From: dclaar@cup.hp.com (Doug Claar)
Subject: Re: Streets named after programming languages
Date: Mon, 16 May 1994 14:55:12 GMT


Of course, the new Apple facility is on "Infinite loop."

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.help,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps,comp.windows.x.intrinsics,comp.unix.programmer,comp.programming
From: cjs@netcom.com (Christopher Shaulis)
Subject: SERVER BUG XFree v2.0 (MACH8) Under Linux
Date: Sun, 15 May 1994 05:24:52 GMT

The following concerns the Linux version of the XFree v2.0 MACH 8 X11R5 
server. I've gone over all the XGetWindowProperty calls in Xlib as well
as the MIT docs, and it appears that I'm passing all the correct 
arguments (valid arguments I might add). According to the outputs from 
XGetWindowProperty, it is returning one 32-bit item of type XA_INTEGER.
However, the number it returns is not even close to what I put (and 
xprop confirms) into the property. I believe that I have eliminated
all the possible causes except for the server itself. Though I would
rather someone make me look like an idiot and show me what the problem
with the code is, then have a bug report to my credit. Below is the code
I use to creat the property and retrieve the value. Along with sample 
output from xprop. And before I go, let me say one more time that 
handle->window, handle->prop, display, and all the rest are indeed valad
handles. temp is an unsigned long integer at all times.

/* Creating the property */
  handle->prop = XInternAtom(display,"TEST",False);
  XChangeProperty(display,
                  handle->window,
                  handle->prop,
                  XA_INTEGER,
                  32,
                  PropModeAppend,
                  &temp,
                  1);

/* Output from xprop */
TEST(INTEGER) = 0
WM_HINTS(WM_HINTS):
                Client accepts input or input focus: True
                Initial state is Normal State.
WM_NORMAL_HINTS(WM_SIZE_HINTS):
                program specified location: 16, 248
                program specified size: 592 by 16
WM_ICON_NAME(STRING) =
WM_NAME(STRING) = "TW"

/* Retrieveing the property */
  Atom type_return;
  int format_return;
  unsigned long nitems_return;
  unsigned long bytes_after_return;
  unsigned long prop_return; 

  XGetWindowProperty(event->xany.display,
                     event->xany.window,
                     handle->prop,
                     0L,
                     1L,
                     False,
                     XA_INTEGER,
                     &type_return,
                     &format_return,
                     &nitems_return,
                     &bytes_after_return,
                     (unsigned long**)&prop_return);

/* Value returned */
32760

The above value decreases every time I call the function 
which retrieves the value.

Hope someone sees what I'm doing wrong.
Christopher
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.help,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.apps,comp.windows.x.intrinsics,comp.unix.programmer,comp.programming
From: cjs@netcom.com (Christopher Shaulis)
Subject: SERVER BUG XFree v2.0 (MACH8) Under Linux
Date: Sun, 15 May 1994 05:25:59 GMT

The following concerns the Linux version of the XFree v2.0 MACH 8 X11R5 
server. I've gone over all the XGetWindowProperty calls in Xlib as well
as the MIT docs, and it appears that I'm passing all the correct 
arguments (valid arguments I might add). According to the outputs from 
XGetWindowProperty, it is returning one 32-bit item of type XA_INTEGER.
However, the number it returns is not even close to what I put (and 
xprop confirms) into the property. I believe that I have eliminated
all the possible causes except for the server itself. Though I would
rather someone make me look like an idiot and show me what the problem
with the code is, then have a bug report to my credit. Below is the code
I use to creat the property and retrieve the value. Along with sample 
output from xprop. And before I go, let me say one more time that 
handle->window, handle->prop, display, and all the rest are indeed valad
handles. temp is an unsigned long integer at all times.

/* Creating the property */
  handle->prop = XInternAtom(display,"TEST",False);
  XChangeProperty(display,
                  handle->window,
                  handle->prop,
                  XA_INTEGER,
                  32,
                  PropModeAppend,
                  &temp,
                  1);

/* Output from xprop */
TEST(INTEGER) = 0
WM_HINTS(WM_HINTS):
                Client accepts input or input focus: True
                Initial state is Normal State.
WM_NORMAL_HINTS(WM_SIZE_HINTS):
                program specified location: 16, 248
                program specified size: 592 by 16
WM_ICON_NAME(STRING) =
WM_NAME(STRING) = "TW"

/* Retrieveing the property */
  Atom type_return;
  int format_return;
  unsigned long nitems_return;
  unsigned long bytes_after_return;
  unsigned long prop_return; 

  XGetWindowProperty(event->xany.display,
                     event->xany.window,
                     handle->prop,
                     0L,
                     1L,
                     False,
                     XA_INTEGER,
                     &type_return,
                     &format_return,
                     &nitems_return,
                     &bytes_after_return,
                     (unsigned long**)&prop_return);

/* Value returned */
32760

The above value decreases every time I call the function 
which retrieves the value.

Hope someone sees what I'm doing wrong.
Christopher
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| (__| |_| |\__ \/ / _` | .` | _|  | | | (__| (_) | |\/| | _| (__| (_) | |\/| |
 \___|\___/ |___/\ \__,_|_|\_|___| |_|  \___|\___/|_|  |_|(_)\___|\___/|_|  |_|
==================\____/=======================================================



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From: mdw@cs.cornell.edu (Matt Welsh)
Subject: Re: Interest in a weekly Linux news?
Date: Sat, 14 May 1994 02:03:03 GMT

In article <2r16a6$o68@agate.berkeley.edu> maxims@ucsee.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (Maxim Spivak) writes:
>For those who just want to keep up with new developments in the Linux 
>world this would be a great resource!!!

I'm not sure what people are looking for that c.o.l.a doesn't provide.
Can people please mail or post specific suggestions and ideas? I may not
have time to work on such a project, but it may be something that we
can provide in another form. 

I, for one, would like to see weekly (?) release announcements for
the various kernel patches, including a ChangeLog, but someone like
Linus would have to put it together for each release. If someone were 
kind enough to maintain something this, I'd post it to c.o.l.a.

mdw

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From: ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro)
Subject: Re: Linux on Leading Edge?
Date: Sat, 14 May 94 02:29:54 GMT

In article <2qvrnb$8f0@lynx.dac.neu.edu> zbrown@lynx.dac.neu.edu (zachary brown) writes:
>
>Hi. Has anyone had success with linux on a Leading Edge computer? The
>one I'm thinking of is a model #2700   486/66 with 4MB ram with no cache
                                                                 ^^^^^^^^
>memory. Successes, failures, problems welcome.
>
>zbrown@lynx.dac.neu.edu
>
>lovitlovitsince0.99pl15
>Linux, the internet, libraries and fire departments are good.

DON'T BUY A MACHINE WITH NO CACHE! ESPECIALLY FOR USE WITH LINUX!
IT WILL KILL YOUR PERFORMANCE!!!!!


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From: siegman@Sierra.Stanford.EDU (Anthony E. Siegman)
Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Re: Clothes named after programming languages
Date: 16 May 1994 16:22:03 GMT

   Well all right, this thread seems to me kind of a dumb one, but to
go with the flow we have two 100 lb dogs, both the same age, and at
the time we got them my wife and I both worked with computers -- so
the all black Belgian shepherd is "Blaise" (Pascal), and the all white
Kuvasz is "Ada" (Lovelace).



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