Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #115
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Sun, 15 May 94 22:13:15 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #115, Volume #2                Sun, 15 May 94 22:13:15 EDT

Contents:
  Linux becomes a real operating system - official recognition (Jon Brawn)
  accentuated characters (diacritics) (Martin Carmichael)
  Re: Linux & DEC ALPHAs... (John Kinsella)
  2 3COM 3C579 cards in a single LINUX box - How Config? (Mark J. Bailey)
  COMP SCIENCE STUDENTS PORTING FREEWARE UNIX TO THE POWER MAC (Ed June)
  LibXpm.so.4? (CHRISTIAN SAUCIER)
  Re: Own a piece of Linux history! (Graham Nicholls)
  Re: Streets named after programming languages (Martin Olesen)
  Re: /proc/kcore (Joseph W. Vigneau)
  XF86-2.1 with S3-805 and IBM 8515 (bryanc@ralvm29|tp|584676|Bryan Cope)
  Re: Raytracing and Linux (James E. Mcnalley)
  Re: linux unethical ? (James E. Mcnalley)
  Re: linux unethical ? (James E. Mcnalley)
  Re: idiot's guide to unix/linux (Christopher Andrew Smith)
  Misc questions (Elan Feingold)
  Re: Did anyone archive the 'Do you remember....' thread? (las@light-house.uucp)
  Re: database system for everyday use (Thomas G. McWilliams)
  frag and ext2fs fragmentation (David E. Fox)
  Re: Looking for a good editor for coding in. (David E. Fox)
  Re: Linux and CD-ROMs (Phil Launchbury)
  Re: database system for everyday use (jam)

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From: jonb@specialix.com (Jon Brawn)
Subject: Linux becomes a real operating system - official recognition
Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 18:29:34 GMT

Well, I just got a package from Uniforum inviting me to become a member
(again), and normally I would toss this straight in the recycling bin,
but for some reason I flipped through the glossy application form, and
found the obligatory tick-the-boxes section asking how many millions of
dollars I am empowered to spend each year.

There are the obligatory sections such as ``My organization's primary
business'', ``My Job Function'', and the interesting one ``Operating
Systems Used''. Number twelve on the list? LINUX (all capital letters!)

So, there you have it, official recognition from Uniforum (now, don't
we all feel *much* better for that?).

--
More information about Uniforum membership can be obtained from Uniforum,
2901 Tasman Drv, Suite 205, Santa Clara, CA 95054-1100 USA.
Tel. (408)986 8840. I have no involvement with Uniforum other than they
keep offering me membership. All opions self-owned.

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From: martin@CAM.ORG (Martin Carmichael)
Subject: accentuated characters (diacritics)
Date: 15 May 1994 17:53:56 GMT


Does linux support acentuated characters?

Having to support french speaking (or spanish), Is there any good word 
processing software available for linux, with diacritics characters support?

Thank you

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From: ez020772@othello.ucdavis.edu (John Kinsella)
Subject: Re: Linux & DEC ALPHAs...
Date: Sun, 15 May 1994 19:54:37 GMT

Dwight M Evers (evers@plains.NoDak.edu) wrote:
| To all those would be porters of Linux to the DEC ALPHA...

(this is the first I've heard about it...MORE POWER TO YOU GUYS!)

| The DEC ALPHA is the fastest production 64bit RISC CPU on the market today.
| (aka...VERY VERY BUGGY to those wouldbe software developers. I know of 
| those who have tried and failed...its not pretty.)

WOHA!  Did I miss something here?  Fast == Buggy?  HELLO?

|       Trying to use a Ferrari to do the work of a VW will only make 
| things worse. I don't want to make it seem as if noone needs a DEC, but 
| re-evaluate your needs before putting out the $$$...

Jesus, catch a clue!  You're sounding worse than Bill Gates about 12 years
ago!  In case you haven't noticed, the bigger applications are usually 
produced to take advantage of a computer's power.

| Just my 2gig worth.

more like 2 bytes to me.

John
_____________________________                            
History was written by women \ John L. Kinsella<ez020772@othello.ucdavis.edu>
baby, so let's make a little  \ University of California, Davis
of our own tonight             \ finger either account for pgp public key!
            -Thrill Kill Kult   \ (also jlkinsel@engr.ucdavis.edu)
                                 --------------------------------------------

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From: csmjb@perot.mtsu.edu (Mark J. Bailey)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: 2 3COM 3C579 cards in a single LINUX box - How Config?
Date: 15 May 1994 15:47:52 -0500

Hello,

I have a LINUX box that I am setting up and it has *2* 3COM 3C579 (EISA) 
cards in it that need to be in use.  Actually, one card is a 3C579-TP for
twisted pair.  A friend told me that if you had more than one ethernet card 
you had to hard code the values in a file 'space.c' in the same subdir as the 
networking kernel code.  That is all fine an dandy, but how do you know
what the base IO address is going to be as EISA assigns that internally and
it doesn't necessarily have to be a "normal" address????

So, the gist is, what do I do to get *2* EISA ethernet cards configure for
LINUX?

Thanks!

Mark


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From: ed.june@p308.buggz.via.mind.org (Ed June)
Subject: COMP SCIENCE STUDENTS PORTING FREEWARE UNIX TO THE POWER MAC
Date: Sat, 14 May 94 16:05:00 -0500
Reply-To: ed.june@p308.buggz.via.mind.org

-=> Note:
Copied (from: 308-308) by Ed June using timEd.

From: more@power.globalnews.com
To: buggz@buggz.via.mind.org

COMP SCIENCE STUDENTS PORTING FREEWARE UNIX TO THE POWER MAC
(May 13th)Two computer science students at Bowdoin College in
Brunswick, Maine, USA are porting the free Linux Unix clone to the
Power Macintosh. Linux is a Posix-type Unix, originally written for
386/486-based PCs by Swedish programmer Linus Torvalds with the
assistance of a loosely-knit team working across the Internet. It is
freely distributable under the same term as the GNU Unix.

Charlton Wilbur and Jem Lewis began laying plans to developing a
freeware Unix on the Power Macintosh platform in January and say that
they hope to have a stable kernel running on the Power Mac by the end
of August, together with the basic Unix utilities (cd, ls, cp, mv,
gcc, emacs, vi, and bash). Until then, they want to keep the project
tightly controlled, but once it is running relatively bug-free, they
say that it will be freely available for Alpha testing and for others
to help develop device drivers etc. 

The new version of Linux for PowerPC cannot hope to  be binary
compatible with Intel Linux, however the pair say that they are
striving to maintain source code compatibility between the two
versions, so that a small amount of source tweaking and a re-compile
is all that is necessary to run existing Linux applications. They say
that they are currently  beginning to do some of the kernel design
and coding, and are beginning to port gcc. In a posting to
comp.linux.announce they said that they would appreciate not being
innundated with e-mail requests at the moment.

We'll keep you posted on developments.
(c)PowerPC News -  Free by mailing: add@power.globalnews.com

 Ed June   TeamOS2

 Fidonet:   1:133/308, Atlanta's OS/2 Users Group BBS/FAX, 404-471-1549
 Internet:  buggz@buggz.via.mind.org
 UUCP:      ...!emory!uumind!buggz!buggz


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: saucc00@DMI.USherb.CA (CHRISTIAN SAUCIER)
Subject: LibXpm.so.4?
Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 21:31:24 GMT

I got a patience card game for X from sunsite (Xpat-1.2) and when I try
to run it, I get a error saying: can't find library 'libXpm.so.4'

Is this something I'm supposed to have with Linux 1.0 (slackware dist.)?

I looked for it on sunsite but I just can't find it.

Anyone can point me out where this might be?

Thanx,

C.


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From: Graham@rock.demon.co.uk (Graham Nicholls)
Subject: Re: Own a piece of Linux history!
Reply-To: Graham@rock.demon.co.uk
Date: Sun, 15 May 1994 21:25:58 +0000

Grow up Stef, it was funny, and JANA is a crook (Not true? so sue me!)


-- 
Graham Nicholls
Sig applied for.

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From: olesen@math.uiowa.edu (Martin Olesen)
Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Streets named after programming languages
Date: 13 May 1994 19:39:13 GMT


In article <1994May13.014932.32390@hulaw1.harvard.edu>, hemr@hulaw1.harvard.edu (Kurt Wm. Hemr, Harvard Law School) writes:
|> In article <94132.123250U21187@uicvm.uic.edu>, 
|> John Schulien <U21187@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

|> Apropos of Commodore's death [Warning: impending topic drift]
|> does anyone remember a language called COMAL?  Did this language
|> ever exist on a system besides the C64?  If not, any reason why?

 Ah, that's the language I used in high school (some 12 years ago).
 It ran on a machine called the "piccolo" from the Danish company
 "Regnecentralen".

   Martin Olesen
   olesen@math.uiowa.edu


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From: joev@otter.WPI.EDU (Joseph W. Vigneau)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: /proc/kcore
Date: 15 May 1994 21:44:39 GMT

In article <2r5j5m$590@nuscc.nus.sg>,
Shim Phyau Min <med70047@solar.cc.nus.sg> wrote:
>
>This file: /proc/kcore seems to be growing bigger and bigger. It currently
>stands at 8 MB and appears to be the file that is responsible for chewing
>up the free space left in my root partition.
>
>Is there a program available for me to look at it in a meaningful way?
>Can I remove it without anything untoward happening to my system?
>If I can't remove it, can I make a symbolic link for it to somewhere else
>on another partition where I have more space?

As far as I remeber, the entire /proc filesystem is kept in memory,
and not on disk.  Therefore, you shouldn't have to touch the /proc
filesystem at all.

-- 
joev@wpi.edu, joev@hotblack.schunix.dmc.com     WPI Computer Science     Linux!
    <a href="http://realsoon.wpi.edu:8080/~joev"> Click Here! </a>

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From: bryanc@pooch.raleigh.ibm.com (bryanc@ralvm29|tp|584676|Bryan Cope)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: XF86-2.1 with S3-805 and IBM 8515
Date: 15 May 1994 16:21:36 GMT
Reply-To: bgc@vnet.ibm.com


Help! I am TRYING to get Xfree86 running on my IBM
Valuepoint 486/dx2 with an S3-805 Local Bus video chip and
an IBM 8515. I am having NO luck trying to get this to
work!!! If there is someone out there who has this combination
working, I would appreciate any possible suggest or even
better, an Xconfig file would be great!!!

Also, can someone tell me where to find the source for the
Xservers? It was my understand that they were available, but
I cannot seem to locate them at any ftp site? Thanx for 
any info here...

Bryan Cope
bgc@vnet.ibm.com
bgc@moose.ncsu.edu

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: mcnalley@agora.rdrop.com (James E. Mcnalley)
Subject: Re: Raytracing and Linux
Date: Sat, 14 May 1994 17:55:19 GMT

Ben Adams (bra@bentek.mese.com) wrote:
: bkoen@crl.com (Bryan Koen) writes:

: > Are there any raytracing packages avilable for Linux or X?

: Try POV-Ray 2.0.  It can be found on Compu$erve, or I will email
: the source to who ever wants it...
        or alfred.ccs.carleton.ca (I think) and many other places...
2.0 is an old version.  I think 2.3 or 2.4 is current..
: ------------------------------------------------------------------------
: <bradams@info-gw.mese.com>     <-Ok   | The opinions above are mine    |
: <bra@bentek.mese.com>          <-Best | alone and do *not* necessarily |
:                                <-     | represent the views of my      |
: Ben R. Adams                   <-Me!  | government. (:->)              |
: -----------[PGP Keys Sent on Request & on Public Key Servers]-----------

--
James McNalley          | "I have never let my schooling interfere with my
JEM Computer Consulting | education" -Mark Twain 
mcnalley@agora.rdrop.com| "Live free or die" -New Hampshier motto 
Portland, OR            | 

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From: mcnalley@agora.rdrop.com (James E. Mcnalley)
Subject: Re: linux unethical ?
Date: Sat, 14 May 1994 22:43:48 GMT

Wolf Paul (cc_paul@rcvie.co.at) wrote:
: In article <2q55la$qpe@winx03.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de>, ibel@cip.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de (Maximilian Ibel) writes:
: |> A friend of mine recently tried to convince me that linux, as well as the
: |> whole GPL-stuff was unethical. 
: |> 
: |> He stated: Writing a program for free will destroy a employance.
: |> (E.g. if you give away linux for free and a firm decides to use linux instead
: |> of , lets say netware, then novell gets less profit and has to throw out
: |> employees.)

: Your friend's reasoning would be correct if we assumed that the ethics of
: an action are to be measured primarily by how the action affects other people's
: jobs.

: By that standard, any neighbourly help would be unethical because it deprives
: the professionals you'd have to call otherwise of paid work.
        Actually, any business would be unethical.  If two business compete
together, and one goes out of busines because it can't compete, is the
otehr business unethical???  I guess the whole computer industry is prety
unethical :-)

: By that standard keeping your kids at home with Mummy would be unethical 
: because it deprives a kindergarten teacher of a job.
        Or, letting mom go to work would be unethical because she gets a job
that someone else could have gotten  :-)  

: By that standard breast-feeding babies would be unethical because it deprives
: Nestle, and Gerber, and Milupa, etc., of sales and thus some of their 
: (potential) employees of a job.

: By that standard eating healthily and not smoking would be unethical because
: it deprives doctors, and nurses, and pharmacists, and the employees of
: tobacco manufacturers of their jobs.
        Just as not comitting a crime is unethical because if there is no
crime there is no need for poliece :-)  By extension,  peace is *VERY* unethical
because all those soldiers would be out of a job, not to mention the
companies that make tanks, planes and assult weapons (that reminds me, gun 
control is unethical because it reduces the sales of guns...  Actually,
it is unethical because it is unconstitutional, etc.  I *DO* disagree with
gun control :-)

: By that standard the local amateur performance of classical music would be
: unethical because it might keep people from paying for expensive opera
: tickets and thus might cost some high-paid tenor his job.
        No, you have it all wrong!  It is the "professional" musicians
that are unethical, they are putting the street-musicians out of business!!!


: This is an unreasonable standard to judge behaviour by.
        By making that statement, you are putting professional lawyers
and judges out of business :-) :-) :-) :-)
: -- 
:          V           Wolf N. Paul, Computer Center      wnp@aaf.alcatel.at
: +-----------------+  Alcatel Austria Research Center  +43-1-391621-122 (w)
: |  A L C A T E L  |  Ruthnergasse 1-7                   +43-1-391452 (fax)
: +-----------------+  A-1210 Vienna-Austria/Europe        +43-1-2206481 (h)

--
James McNalley          | "I have never let my schooling interfere with my
JEM Computer Consulting | education" -Mark Twain 
mcnalley@agora.rdrop.com| "Live free or die" -New Hampshier motto 
Portland, OR            | 

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From: mcnalley@agora.rdrop.com (James E. Mcnalley)
Subject: Re: linux unethical ?
Date: Sat, 14 May 1994 22:47:11 GMT

David Fox (fox@graphics.cs.nyu.edu) wrote:
: In article <1994May9.154313.12805@aaf.alcatel.at> cc_paul@rcvie.co.at (Wolf Paul) writes:

: ] By that standard, any neighbourly help would be unethical because it deprives
: ] the professionals you'd have to call otherwise of paid work.

:   [Other examples deleted.]

: And even all these examples would only be unethical if you
: then took the money you saved and burned it.  If you spend
: it on something else then you are still creating employment.
        HA!  You see, trickle-down economics *DOES* work!!!!  (sorry, I had to do that).


: So is burning money the ultimate anti-social act?
        Depends.  If you burn less than 50% of the money (ie, half of each
dollar is left), you can send it in to the government, where teams of
specialists will check to make sure it is real money, and the ammount you
claim, and then give you new money.  So, we should all take out or dollars
and burn part of them so that those people will be able to keep their jobs :-)


--
James McNalley          | "I have never let my schooling interfere with my
JEM Computer Consulting | education" -Mark Twain 
mcnalley@agora.rdrop.com| "Live free or die" -New Hampshier motto 
Portland, OR            | 

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From: z1g192@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Christopher Andrew Smith)
Subject: Re: idiot's guide to unix/linux
Date: 13 May 1994 11:47:07 -0700

In article <BILL.94May11100954@yossarian.pianosa.gov>,
Bill Reynolds <bill@goshawk.lanl.gov> wrote:
>
>Actually what I was thinking of was more along the lines of converting
>things to html - sgml is good because it also gives your hardcopy and
>ascii. It seems to me that a Mosaic or a Chimera could be hacked into
>a pretty good document browsing tool.

Basically what you want is "winhelp" for Linux (i.e hypertext help).

This should be fairly easy to put together, but would be incredibly time
consuming.  You probably wouldn't have to change Mosaic at all, except
for the fact that it takes up lots of memory (on my system w/ 8Megs ram)

IMHO using more and grep to find help is a good exercise for when you
start writing programs and searching config files on a Linux system. :-)


-- 
========================================================================
|Christopher Smith           | With a rubber duck, one's never alone.  |
|aka z1g192@ugrad.cs.ubc.ca  |-- "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"|
========================================================================

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From: elan@tasha.cheme.cornell.edu (Elan Feingold)
Subject: Misc questions
Date: 13 May 1994 19:47:04 GMT
Reply-To: elan@tasha.cheme.cornell.edu (Elan Feingold)


386SX/16.  Linux v1.1.0, XFree2.1.1. GCC 2.5.8

1. Sometimes when a networking program I'm writing (which binds a socket
to a port) crashes, I can't start it again, since I get an error that
says "cannot bind socket: port in use" or something to that effect.  Is there
any way to remedy this, i.e. unbind the port after the program has crashed?

2. What are the keys that represent the F1-F12 in emacs, for a 
(global-set-key "???" '????) command?  I've tried with no luck using
various different things, under emacs 18.59.

Thanks, 

elan

--
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|  Elan Feingold       |                                       |
|  CS/EE Depts.        |                          |
|  Cornell University  |     ( .sig currently under construction )     |
|  Ithaca NY 14850     |                        |
===========================================================================

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From: las@light-house.uucp
Subject: Re: Did anyone archive the 'Do you remember....' thread?
Date: Sun, 15 May 1994 17:41:55 GMT
Reply-To: whome!light-house!las@planix.com



: Do you remember ...
:  - when it took 12 mins for a full kernel rebuild on a 386/25 with 4MB ram?
:  - byte 510?

When you had a choice between "jump" and "nojump" libraries.
When Linus used to have a 386 with a Trident card.
When dosemu ran only in a character-based mode with funny screen updates.



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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: tgm@netcom.com (Thomas G. McWilliams)
Subject: Re: database system for everyday use
Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 19:30:31 GMT

Henning Holtschneider (hh@hhdo.ping.de) wrote:
: I need a database system that runs under Linux that is useable! I looked at
: Onyx and Ingres but they both are to difficult to use. Ingres is quite nice
: in what it does but not nice to work with at all :-) So, is there perhaps
: anything that's better or perhaps a front-end for one of the database
: systems for Linux?

Metalbase sounds like what you are looking for. It is fairly easy
to use. It is available from:

 sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/apps/databases/mbase.tar.z 

The docs are not great. It is helplful to remember that "vr"
is the front-end supplied with mbase for updating and searching
records. Using "vr" gives you a pleasant enough way to work
with your data. All in all I recommend mbase for basic record
keeping.

Note: use this small patch below to compile mbase:
=========================== cut here =============================
diff -cri mbase/sample/Makefile mbase.new/sample/Makefile
*** mbase/sample/Makefile       Fri May 21 16:24:59 1993
--- mbase/sample/Makefile       Wed Feb  2 19:21:47 1994
***************
*** 15,20 ****
--- 15,23 ----
  clean:
        rm -f *.o bench sample
  
+ clobber:
+       rm -f *.o bench sample *.rel sampl_fm.h bench.h sample.h
+ 
  bench : bench.o
        cc -f -o bench bench.o -lmb
  
diff -cri mbase/src/input.c mbase.new/src/input.c
*** mbase/src/input.c   Fri May 21 16:31:30 1993
--- mbase/src/input.c   Wed Feb  2 19:06:36 1994
***************
*** 81,86 ****
--- 81,87 ----
     if (ch == KEY_RIGHT)  return (char)AR_RIGHT;
     if (ch == KEY_IC)     return (char)AR_INS;
     if (ch == KEY_DC)     return (char)AR_DEL;
+    if (ch == 0x7f )      return (char)AR_DEL;
     if (ch == KEY_HOME)   return (char)AR_HOME;
     if (ch == KEY_LL)     return (char)AR_END;
     if (ch == KEY_PPAGE)  return (char)AR_PGUP;
diff -cri mbase/src/vr.c mbase.new/src/vr.c
*** mbase/src/vr.c      Fri May 21 16:09:28 1993
--- mbase/src/vr.c      Wed Feb  2 19:03:40 1994
***************
*** 509,515 ****
--- 509,517 ----
                                strcpy(temp, fmt_date (*(mb_date *) ((char *)buf +rel->start[n]), 0)); 
                                break;
                }
+ #if 0
                fprintf(stderr, "moving %s to %d and %d\n", temp, y, FIRSTCOL);
+ #endif
                mvaddstr (y, FIRSTCOL, temp);
        }
  }


              

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From: root@belvedere.sbay.org (David E. Fox)
Subject: frag and ext2fs fragmentation
Date: Sat, 14 May 1994 21:33:10 GMT

I got bored a while ago, and decided to run frag on /, a whole 330 MB
(roughly) ext2fs partition on my 345 meg drive. The drive has been in use
as a Linux system (and carries a modest newsspool) since last September.

frag returns ca. 48% file fragmentation on the whole partition. In
perusing a few sample directories, it seems that (according to frag) the
fragmentation is about as bad as I would see on a DOS filesystem that
hadn't been optimized in a few months.

I realize that one of the features of ext2fs is that it is resistant to
fragmentation - but at least in my situation, this doesn't seem to be the
case.  Of course, the semantics of fragmentation are probably different -
at least the speed is not as much an issue on ext2fs as it is on dosfs,
because of the buffer cache.

Two pertinent questions:

1) Are the semantics of fragmentation (i.e., a file contains a series of
blocks, and if the blocks aren't continuous, it takes longer to collect
the whole file because of increased head movement) on ext2fs very
different from a dosfs partition (irrespective of the buffer cache)?

2) I know that there's no DiskOptimizer for ext2fs.  Most people have said
"you don't need one" as a response to questions / requests for one.  Is
this true?  From my own experimenting with 'frag', this doesn't seem to be
the case.


n
-- 
David Fox                       root@belvedere.sbay.org
5479 Castle Manor Drive
San Jose, CA 95129              Thanks for letting me change
408/253-7992                    magnetic patterns on your hard disk.

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From: root@belvedere.sbay.org (David E. Fox)
Subject: Re: Looking for a good editor for coding in.
Date: Sun, 15 May 1994 06:59:23 GMT

GLEN HEIN (ghein@nevada.edu) wrote:
: I'm looking for a good editor for coding software in.  I would it to be an 
: XWindows app if possible.  Good auto-indenting and color coding would be 
: helpful.  If you have a recommendation, please send it to me.  

The extensions to the Andrew user interface system for programming may be
what you want, but Andrew is rather huge.

I haven't checked out the programming editor extensions, but the ones
developed for word processing look fairly OK.  (It would be kind of nice
to be able to use more fonts though.)

All this can be found in sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/X11/andrew.  The
programming-editor extensions were uploaded fairly recently, and an
announcement was made to c.o.l.a about them.  I think the filename is
something like auis62L2-??.tgz.  (?? == wp for the word processing
extensions; I forget the ones for the programming-editor ones.)


: Thanks,
: Glen Hein
: ghein@nevada.edu

-- 
David Fox                       root@belvedere.sbay.org
5479 Castle Manor Drive
San Jose, CA 95129              Thanks for letting me change
408/253-7992                    magnetic patterns on your hard disk.

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From: phil@catsoft.demon.co.uk (Phil Launchbury)
Subject: Re: Linux and CD-ROMs
Date: Sun, 15 May 1994 22:47:10 +0000

: :  
: [Sorry, message skiped]
: : Thanks in advance, Andrew Wilcockson
: :
: Try to mount CD drive:  
:  mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom -t iso9660
:    
Not forgetting to make the /dev/cdrom (cos it doesn't come as standard!)
FYI, my Panasonic (with SB 16 i/f) was MAJOR 25, MINOR 0...)
Cheers,
Phil.

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From: jam@jammed.is.ic.net (jam)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: database system for everyday use
Date: 15 May 1994 17:39:44 -0400

Thomas G. McWilliams (tgm@netcom.com) wrote:
: Henning Holtschneider (hh@hhdo.ping.de) wrote:
: Metalbase sounds like what you are looking for. It is fairly easy
: to use. It is available from:

:  sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/apps/databases/mbase.tar.z 

: The docs are not great. It is helplful to remember that "vr"
: is the front-end supplied with mbase for updating and searching
: records. Using "vr" gives you a pleasant enough way to work
: with your data. All in all I recommend mbase for basic record
: keeping.

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On the contrary, the docs _are_ great (at least in 5.1)-- I have yet to see
a piece of _free_ software available with such extensive and well written
documentation on the library itself-- maybe the docs for VR are a little
lacking, but that program is not all that hard to use. Richid has been quite
responsive to all the questions I have asked, and been more than willing to
provide answers to my (sometimes ridiculous) questions.

The latest version, which features delayed indexing (which is of more
interest to users of the library as opposed to VR), is on markv.com in
/pub/metalbase as mbase51.tar.Z

For free software, I have yet to see something that ports this well to other
platforms. I believe when he wrote this, he was only knee high to a
grasshopper anyway-- perhaps 6.0 will have fewer compiler warnings and an
improved version of VR.

J
-- 
Jeff MacDonald                                     jam@jammed.is.ic.net
+1 (313)973-8742                                   jam@ic.net


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