Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #107
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Linux-Misc Digest #107, Volume #2                Sat, 14 May 94 10:13:07 EDT

Contents:
  Re: linux and alpha (Ziniu "Michael" Wei)
  HELP: Kernel documentations (Ziniu "Michael" Wei)
  Midi File player for Linux (Carlos Y. Villalpando)
  Re: Streets named after programming languages  (-- Forrest Pan --)
  STB CDYNE 512... (jayv@wnsnews.com)
  How long has your Linux Boxbeen up? (David Minor)
  mount/mke2fs crash (Jason P Heym)
  Re: Interest in a weekly Linux news? (Lars Wirzenius)
  Re: Linux in PC Week again (May 9th issue) (Matthew Dillon)
  Tera BBS for Linux (Gordon Soukoreff)
  Re: Term 115 (beta) is out. (Yasuo Ohgaki)
  Re: XFree86 2.0 And Diampnd Stealth Pro VLB (Frank van Maarseveen)
  Re: Opinions on Novell/Linux (Ian Phillipps)
  Re: A good NFS server ? (Ziniu "Michael" Wei)
  Re: Who is Linux targetting? (Ziniu "Michael" Wei)
  [dosemu] does it work? (Andre Fachat)
  Re: MITSUMI - final word (Steve Fuller)
  Re: [dosemu] does it work? (Robert G. Smith)
  Re: any Mac emulator ? (JAMES HALL)
  Re: Linux in PC Week again (May 9th issue) (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Re: Is this a bug with gnu-grep-2.0 or with linux? (Torben Fjerdingstad)

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From: ziniuwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ziniu "Michael" Wei)
Subject: Re: linux and alpha
Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 01:39:50 GMT

Al Sparks (fxars@lancelot.acf-lab.alaska.edu) wrote:
> In article <CowHL6.AzI@world.std.com> jmantel@world.std.com (Jaime C Mantel) writes:


> According to the FAQ's I've been reading, Linux is running on 486's
> and 386's and that's it.  If you want a Unix type operating system, it
> looks like you're "stuck" with OSF.  But.... don't you have a choice
> between OSF and OpenVMS when you buy the machine, and further, don't
> they come free with the machine?  === Al

Although you're "stuck" with OSF, OSF is a quite decent Unix.  The
early versions of OSF are much better than the early versions of AIX.

--
Ziniu Wei               CEDAR, SUNY at Buffalo       ziniuwei@cs.buffalo.edu
~{@O3LPrT1S@T62;K@#,K{CGV;JGLx5=PB5D5XV7~}
Old programmers never die, they just branch to a new address.

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: ziniuwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ziniu "Michael" Wei)
Subject: HELP: Kernel documentations
Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 03:33:00 GMT

I'm going to read the Linux kernel.  Is there any good documentations
on it?  The source code itself doesn't seem well-documented.

Thank you.

--
Ziniu Wei               CEDAR, SUNY at Buffalo       ziniuwei@cs.buffalo.edu
~{@O3LPrT1S@T62;K@#,K{CGV;JGLx5=PB5D5XV7~}
Old programmers never die, they just branch to a new address.

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From: unbelver@brain.jpl.nasa.gov (Carlos Y. Villalpando)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Midi File player for Linux
Date: 11 May 1994 04:32:21 GMT


Hey all,

I'm wondering if there any midi file players for Linux around.  I've
got the sound extentions in the kernel and they work.  I've got a real
midi card in my machine, but the only two midi file players I've found
(mp02 and adagio) use the FM part of my SB16 instead of the real midi
card.  

If there isn't one then, I plan to write one or help somebody write
one.  I just want to check base with anything that's out there.


Thanks,


--Carlos V.

-- 
Carlos Y. Villalpando           | Don't even think I speak for the Gov't
unbelver@brain.jpl.nasa.gov     | I also didn't screw up the Mars Observer
unbelver@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu     | (There was that button I sat on......)
unbelver@npc.ece.utexas.edu     |

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Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers
From: ez033547@manet.ucdavis.edu (-- Forrest Pan --)
Subject: Re: Streets named after programming languages 
Date: Sat, 14 May 1994 09:05:11 GMT

I have seen a Porche with the license plate "PC UNIX" in the Silicon Valley.

--Forrest


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From: jayv@wnsnews.com
Subject: STB CDYNE 512...
Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 23:18:16 GMT


I have an STB CDYNE 512 card (el cheapo VL-bus graphics card) and figured out
how to turn it into a 1M card.  So it runs windoze and dos great - relatively
fast in my 486DX2/66.

So what I want to know is if anyone has gotten X-Windows configured for this
card yet?  I'll try working on it in a day or two, but would definitely like
to hear if anyone else has had success.  It's not the best card in the world,
but it's cheap, and that's good.

j.

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From: dminor@metronet.com (David Minor)
Subject: How long has your Linux Boxbeen up?
Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 20:52:47 GMT

Just out of curiosity, how long has your Linux system been up?  I have a 
client who is using a Linux system as a DOS file server.  Due to power work
being done over the weekend, I had to shut it down after 146 days, 22 hours
and 7 minutes.  "Joshua" is Slackware 1.1.0 (0.99.pl13) on a 386/33 ALR.

-Dave


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From: Jason P Heym <jh95+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: mount/mke2fs crash
Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 00:13:07 -0400

A while ago Linux was locking up (giving a kernel dump or reboot) randomly
whenever I tried one of the following commands:
mke2fs /dev/fd0H1440 
mount -t ext2 /dev/fd0 /tmp/f
umount /dev/fd0

So I tried different disks and used fdformat which didn't help. Then I
recompiled mke2fs and tried different zImages which still didn't
help. Finally, when I put the original kernel (from when the problem
started) back in, it disappeared. I don't have any clue what caused
this, but for a good hour, I could not make or mount a ext2 floppy.
Could anyone explain this?
        Jason

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From: wirzeniu@cc.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius)
Subject: Re: Interest in a weekly Linux news?
Date: 14 May 1994 12:15:04 +0300

tranter@Software.Mitel.COM (Jeff Tranter) writes:
> Is there any interest in reviving Linux News or have Linux Journal and
> c.o.la. made it obsolete?

Linux News as it used it by is not needed anymore.  C.o.l.a has obsoleted
it completely, since it was merely a collection of announcements (with the
odd editorial or interview thrown in).

However, I've been thinking (together with Ari Lemmke) of reviving LN.
Ari's idea would be to have a WWW magazine, I'm not sure what I want
myself, but non-WWW distribution is a must.  I don't want to, nor can
I, compete with the Linux Journal (I haven't seen it myself yet, but I
assume that it would be rather difficult to compete alone with a
magazine of dozens of writers).  I don't want to do just a summary of
announcements, although that would be part of it.  Preferably, I'd like
to take advantage of the Net: provide WWW links in the WWW version (and
pointers to WWW in the other versions), perhaps do it in real-time, so
that there wouldn't be issues in the traditional sense.  I think the
target audience would be those that are on the net, but do not want to
spend their time reading newsgroups and mailing lists to stay up to
date with what's happening with and around Linux.

I won't have time to do a weekly issue (never did have, remember?).  I
won't even have time to do anything until sometime in June.  If someone
else wants to it instead, be my guest, however, I'd like to reserve the
name Linux News for myself (and Denise, if she wants to continue).  There
are plenty of other nice names out there, grab one of them instead. :-)

--
Lars.Wirzenius@helsinki.fi  (finger wirzeniu@klaava.helsinki.fi)
My name is Ozymandias, king of kings/Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!

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From: dillon@apollo.west.oic.com (Matthew Dillon)
Subject: Re: Linux in PC Week again (May 9th issue)
Date: 11 May 1994 15:50:41 -0700

In article <2qqvn0$krr@agate.berkeley.edu> maxims@ucsee.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (Maxim Spivak) writes:
:It seems that Linux is beginning to make weekly appearances in PC Week. 
:Here's an article from the System Software section dated May 9th.
:
:======================================================================
:          Linux freeware poised to make commercial step
:
:by Anne Knowles
:
:  Novell Inc.'s possible use of Linux in a future desktop offering could 
:...
:-- 
:**************************************************************************
:Maxim Spivak                            |  #include <GoBears.h>
:University of California, Berkeley      |  #include <StdDisclaimer.h>
:maxims@ucsee.berkeley.edu               |  #include ".signature"

    Thanks for posting that!  I tend to agree... Novel can add a lot
    of clout to Linux.  Even disregarding any software Novel writes itself,
    a commitment from Novel would have the effect of getting commercial 
    software vendors more of an incentive to develop for it, and getting 
    commercial hardware vendors more of an incentive to develop linux 
    drivers for their boards.

                                        -Matt

-- 

    Matthew Dillon              dillon@apollo.west.oic.com
    1005 Apollo Way
    Incline Village, NV. 89451  ham: KC6LVW (no mail drop)
    USA                         Sandel-Avery Engineering (702)831-8000
    [always include a portion of the original email in any response!]


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From: gordon@tradenet.tradenet.com (Gordon Soukoreff)
Subject: Tera BBS for Linux
Date: 13 May 1994 06:15:15 -0000

Is there anyone using Dynamis Softwares ( Brian Cummings ) Tera BBS for
Linux v2.0 with RIP support ? They can't give me any references for
some funny reason or a demo. Strange I'd say.

---gord



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From: yohgaki@cassandra.cair.du.edu (Yasuo Ohgaki)
Subject: Re: Term 115 (beta) is out.
Date: Sat, 14 May 1994 09:04:42 GMT

I've tried term115 on AIX. It still can't compile on AIX. :(
(I'm using xlc. no gcc on the AIX :(

-- 
Yasuo Ohgaki    - Please correct me, if I'm wrong.  
e-mail: yohgaki@diana.cair.du.edu 
        yohgaki@cassandra.cair.du.edu

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: fvm@tasking.nl (Frank van Maarseveen)
Subject: Re: XFree86 2.0 And Diampnd Stealth Pro VLB
Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 16:07:05 GMT

I've used a Stealth Pro VLB 2Mb ram with XFree86 1.2 (or 1.3 ?)
XFree86 2.0 and I've just succesfully upgraded to 2.1.
Some time ago there were lots of clock setting programs and discussions.
Currently I use a program derived from earlier postings and it works
well. It programs the third clock and a timing constant (fourth clock?). I
use it at a clock frequency of 135 MHz, yielding 1280-1024 at approx. 72 Hz.

There are no smoke signals (yet :-)

--
______________________________________________________________________
Frank van Maarseveen            _____   _   _           fvm@tasking.nl
Tasking BV                       /_    / |_/ /
Plotterweg 31                   /  \/_/    _/    phone : +31 33 558584
Amersfoort, The Netherlands                        fax : +31 33 550033
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
When I hear of Schrodingers cat, I reach for my gun ---  S. W. Hawking

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From: ian@unipalm.co.uk (Ian Phillipps)
Subject: Re: Opinions on Novell/Linux
Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 23:15:08 GMT

In article <3moeller.768140365@rzdspc59>,
Bodo Moeller <3moeller@rzdspc59.informatik.uni-hamburg.de> wrote:

>Actually, (many of?) the networking device drivers are copyrighted by
>the U.S. government (and I'm sure Clinton didn't write them :)
>-- from drivers/net/LINCENSE.SRC:

>|Code in this directory written at the IDA Supercomputing Research Center
>|carries the following copyright and license.

>|    Copyright 1993 United States Government as represented by the
>|    Director, National Security Agency.  This software may be used
>|    and distributed according to the terms of the GNU Public License,
>|    incorporated herein by reference.

Creepy. The networking drivers copyright by the NSA? Followups to
alt.conspiracy :-)

Ian
-- 
Ian Phillipps. Tech support manager, Unipalm. News admin, pipex. Internic: IP4
Many system managers claim that holes in an NNTP stream are more valuable than
the data. Van Jacobson, RFC 1144


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.unix.unixware,comp.unix.solaris
From: ziniuwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ziniu "Michael" Wei)
Subject: Re: A good NFS server ?
Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 16:50:12 GMT

I'm concern about the filesystem speed on Linux.  Can anyone give a
comparison between Ext2fs and the BSD fastfilesystem used in Sun?

--
Ziniu Wei               CEDAR, SUNY at Buffalo       ziniuwei@cs.buffalo.edu
~{@O3LPrT1S@T62;K@#,K{CGV;JGLx5=PB5D5XV7~}
Old programmers never die, they just branch to a new address.

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From: ziniuwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ziniu "Michael" Wei)
Subject: Re: Who is Linux targetting?
Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 01:50:44 GMT

Brett Coon (brett@iit.com) wrote:

> Does anyone really think Linux could "win the OS war"?  It seems clear
> to me that it's impossible and not really desirable, anyway.  The
> average DOS/Windows user has very different OS needs than I do, and
> I don't want Linux development to make too many concessions towards their
> needs.  There's nothing wrong with having an OS for average users,
> and a different OS for us.  The average user wants a shrink-wrapped,
> easy-to-use, hand-holding OS that gets out of their way and just lets
> them run the programs they want.  Linux is for people who appreciate
> the OS in addition to the programs.

Strongly agree.

Actually, that's why Microsoft invents Chicago after they built
Windows NT.  Technically, NT is a real and modern OS with features
like microkernel and somwhat object oriented.  However, not everyone
needs that stuffs (actually most don't), Microsoft notices that (a
lesson from OS/2) and make Chicago for those average users.

--
Ziniu Wei               CEDAR, SUNY at Buffalo       ziniuwei@cs.buffalo.edu
Rule # 1:  Network *is* computer

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From: fs1@aixfile1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (Andre Fachat)
Subject: [dosemu] does it work?
Date: 14 May 1994 11:39:22 GMT

Some time ago I tried to install dosemu on my linux but didn't suceed.
I got it compiled but it crashed.

Is there a quite stable version available nowadays?
You know about MS Word 5.0 running on it?

Btw. is it to be suid root?

Thanks
Andre


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From: sfuller@picard.infonet.net (Steve Fuller)
Subject: Re: MITSUMI - final word
Date: 11 May 1994 23:10:42 GMT

My setup went like this.

1) Ordered the InfoMagic CD
2) Made the boot/root disk combo for loading the software from CD (this was
   done with the DOS tools supplied on the CD)
3) Installed from CD
4) The installation setup the Mitsumi for me. 

It is supported in the 1.0 kernel for sure. It works great. I've been using 
mount -t iso9660 -o ro /dev/cdrom /cd

for my mount line. No problems at all.




-- 
Steve Fuller                              I will choose the path that's clear
sfuller@ins.infonet.net                   I will choose freewill  -- N. Peart
INS Info Services Support Staff 


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From: rob@bip.anatomy.upenn.edu (Robert G. Smith)
Subject: Re: [dosemu] does it work?
Date: 14 May 1994 12:06:46 GMT

Andre Fachat (fs1@aixfile1.urz.uni-heidelberg.de) wrote:
: Some time ago I tried to install dosemu on my linux but didn't suceed.
: I got it compiled but it crashed.

: Is there a quite stable version available nowadays?
: You know about MS Word 5.0 running on it?

The current released version of dosemu 0.50pl1 won't
work with kernels 1.1.8 and up, though it will work
with 1.0.8 and 1.0.9.  This is because of changes
in the kernel having to do with the vm86() subroutine.
The changes make dosemu run much faster.  A new
dosemu that runs with the latest kernels will 
be released soon.  If you absolutely have to get
dosemu going, the test versions are in 

tsx-11.mit.edu: /pub/linux/ALPHA/dosemu/private/devel/pre51_xx*

where xx is the patchlevel.  It comes with patches for
several of the most recent kernels.  I'm using dosemu
now with the 1.1.12 kernel and it seems quite stable
for my purposes, and between 2 and 4 times faster than 0.50.

If you have any problems with these, you're better off
staying with 1.0.9 kernel and 0.50 dosemu until
the next official dosemu release.

I have wp51 going very nicely (in "rawkeyboard" mode,
use Ctl-Alt-F? to switch consoles) and have had
no problems with screen updates (i.e. an improvement
over 0.50).

Rob Smith
~

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Subject: Re: any Mac emulator ?
From: ph99jh42@uwrf.edu (JAMES HALL)
Date: 12 May 94 15:13:07 -0600

Paloma Calvo (paloma@casbah.acns.nwu.edu) wrote:
: Hi all:

:       Maybe this is the wrong group and maybe this has been posted
: before. In any case, please forgive me.

:       My question is: Is there any Macintosh emulator for Linux or,
: alternatively, can Executor be used under Dosemu ?

Under Linux, no.  Any takers???

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From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: Linux in PC Week again (May 9th issue)
Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 22:05:41 GMT

In article <2qrar3$1r5@coconut.cs.scarolina.edu>, moss@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu (James LewisMoss) says:
+---------------
| I heard a rumor that OSF might be releasing Motif to the public in about
| a year.  (ie GPL or something similar)  Has anyone heard anything
+------------->8

OSF is giving the Motif 1.2 *specifications* to X/Open.  Motif 2.x isn't
covered by this, and neither is any code.  If OSF really intends to release
Motif 1.2 code under a BSD or X Consortium-style license (more likely than
GPL), I'd be very surprised.

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery         kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
The FUDs at Microsoft are shouting "Kill The Wabi!"

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From: tfj@olivia.ping.dk (Torben Fjerdingstad)
Subject: Re: Is this a bug with gnu-grep-2.0 or with linux?
Date: 14 May 1994 12:41:43 +0200
Reply-To: tfj@olivia.ping.dk

wirzeniu@cc.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius) writes:

>tfj@olivia.ping.dk writes:
>> It is very complex to create a command line which exactly
>> feeds text-only files to grep.

>Agreed.

>> >All versions of grep that I know of will happily search for the
>> >required string also in binary files.  If they happen to find it,
>> >they will print whatever they think is the current line.
>> 
>> I can't imagine any case where that behaviour is useful.

>The "10%/90%" rule: do the 10% of the work that will solve 90% of the
>problem.  Treating all filenames similarly is somewhat easier than
>coding all the information about potentially useful files into grep,
>therefore, grep treats all filenames similarly.  

At the moment I am playing with filtering the grep output through
tr -c -d "[\011\012\040-\177]", which saves the life of my screen.

>BTW, not only grep has this problem.  Lots of other programs would
>benefit from such a feature as well.  But it would make all those
>program more complex.  Therefore, it is better to have a separate
>tool that finds text files.

I see. The koncept tells it to do so. wc also tries to count lines
inside binaries, which does make no sense. I don't know what
posix(.2?) has to say about it, but I guess it agrees with you.

BTW. I still miss a ksh (posix.2) which works with hlu's newer
libraries. The bash-1.13.1 readline-vi-emulation is not right.
( '.' does not repeat last editing command).

>And since isprint would have to be applied to every character in the
>file, it could indeed be inefficient.  Since the binary nature of a
>file might not be evident until the last characters, grep would have
>to read the file twice, once to check for binaryness, once to actually
>find stuff, or else it would have to buffer its output until it had made
>sure that the input wasn't a binary file.

I think you have convinced me now.

Unix has the amazing feature that it has lots of simple (simple?)
commands that can easily (easy?) be combined in 2^999 ways, which
maybe is why I love it so much.

>Lars.Wirzenius@helsinki.fi

Thank to Linus, to you, and to the other contributors that made my
hardware much more powerful than anything else.

-- 
torben fjerdingstad                     | linux-1.1.12     (God's Own OS).
tfj@olivia.ping.dk  /  (234/85@fidonet) |   And it's FREE!

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