Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #105
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Fri, 13 May 94 20:13:14 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #105, Volume #2                Fri, 13 May 94 20:13:14 EDT

Contents:
  Re: COMMODORE CALLS IT QUITS (Grant Edwards)
  Re: Novell is trying to Sell a derivative of Linux for a big (Andrew Bulhak)
  Clothes named after programming languages (James H. Haynes)
  Linux on a Toshiba T2200sx?
  [Observation] Mosaic's Spinning Globe (Chris Smith)
  Re: Streets named after programming languages (Kurt Wm. Hemr, Harvard Law School)
  Re: Streets named after programming languages (was Re: IRIS frame grabber docs) (Wilson Roberto Afonso)
  Streets named after programming languages (was Re: IRIS frame grabber docs) (Andrew Bulhak)
  Pentium optimised Linux?  was Re: Linux on Gateway 2000 Pentium 90MHz (Kevin B. Fluet)
  Re: Interest in a weekly Linux news? (Daniel Quinlan)
  Re: Novell is trying to Sell a derivative of Linux for a big (Erik Talvola)
  Re: Interest in a weekly Linux news? (Tri Tran)
  Re: Streets named after programming languages (SJ. Brewster)
  Xfree86/mouse/IRQ/config problem (Douglas Donahue)
  Re: Interest in a weekly Linux news? (Alan Cox)
  Re: Streets named after programming languages (was Re: IRIS frame grabber docs) (S. Keeling)
  Re: Seeking Documentation for hooking up a terminal. (Greg Hankins)

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
From: grante@reddwarf.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: COMMODORE CALLS IT QUITS
Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 19:40:11 GMT

Maarten Boekhold (Who'd you expect??) (boekhold@morra.et.tudelft.nl) wrote:
: Alexandra Griffin (acg@kzin.cen.ufl.edu) wrote:

: > The 64 & vic were 6502-based-- no danger of that architecture
: > re-emerging, I hope, even though they did manage to take it up to 32
: > bits at one point (68C832?).  The Amigas were MC68K machines.  Quite

: The 68000 (A1000, A500, A2000) work internally with 32 bits. But it has 
: only a 24 bits adress-bus and a 16 bit data-bus. same for 68010. Since 
: teh 68020 the microprocessors were completely 32 bit. The thing you 
: mention is prbably the 68332, which is a microcontroller (notice the 
: _controller_). It incorporates extra interfaces (serial etc. timers 
: internally...) 

Nope, there was a dual-mode 8/32 bit wide 6502 compatible cpu (I don't
remember the number, but 68C832 doesn't sound quite right).  

--
Grant Edwards                                 |Yow!  An Italian is COMBING
Rosemount Inc.                                |his hair in suburban DES
                                              |MOINES!
grante@rosemount.com                          |

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From: acbul1@penfold.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew Bulhak)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Novell is trying to Sell a derivative of Linux for a big
Date: 12 May 1994 09:55:02 GMT

William Devine (wdevine@diralect.me.pvamu.edu) wrote:
: To whom it may concern,

:       I read an article sent to me by a friend who saw the add posted
: in either usenet of some local newsgroup.  It mentions a project of yours 
: called 'Expose'.  The article is included after this for you to ensure it 
: is the correct one i am mentioning.

:       The article says that Novell is developing a derivative of the 
: Linux operating system that will run Windows, DOS, Netware, and other Unix 
: applications.  It also states explicity that: 

:       "The new system, code-named Expose, is not a derivative of Novell's 
:        own UnixWare; it is based on Linux, a full-featured Unix clone for 
:        PCs that is distributed under a free GNU Public License, sources 
:        said. Linux 1.0, which shipped in March, runs on 386- and 486-based 
:        ISA and EISA computers."

:       It goes on to extoll the virtues of project Expose and then it 
: mentions the most disturbing part of the article: Namely, that Novell is 
: planning on SELLING this software package for a 'good sum of money' to the
: general public.  'Good sum of money' being in reference to the cost of other 
: software covered under the GNU General Public License of which any and ALL 
: derivatives of ANY GPL covered software is part of.

:       I urge you to fully understand what this means.  The GPL EXPLICITLY
: states, and i quote:

: "2. You may modify your copy or copies of the Program or any portion
: of it, thus forming a work based on the Program, and copy and
: distribute such modifications or work under the terms of Section 1
: above, provided that you also meet all of these conditions:

:     a) You must cause the modified files to carry prominent notices
:     stating that you changed the files and the date of any change.

:     b) You must cause any work that you distribute or publish, that in
:     whole or in part contains or is derived from the Program or any
:     part thereof, to be licensed as a whole at no charge to all third
:     parties under the terms of this License."
: [prep.ai.mit.edu:/pub/gnu/COPYING]

: "The GPL also allows people to take and modify free software, and 
:  distribute their own versions of the software.  however, any derived 
:  works from GPL software MUST also be covered by the GPL.  In other 
:  words, a company COULD NOT take Linux, modify it, and SELL it under
:  a restrictive license. If any software is derived from Linux, that 
:  software MUST be covered by the GPL as well." 
: [Page 16, tsx-11.mit.edu:/pub/Linux/docs/LDP/install-guide-2.0.ps.gz]

:       As you see, this states that no entity, be it personal or a business,
: may modify ANY software released and covered under the GPL and resale it
: for a profit ON the software.  Profit on the DISTRIBUTION of said software
: is not illegal, but if you sell one copy of the software to anyone and you
: MUST make ALL source code available that is derived from the GPL covered
: software (of which Linux IS GPL covered software), that person is within
: their legal right to FREELY distribute said software to anyone and everyone
: he desires.  

:       The idea of the GPL was to make software copyrightable and freely 
: distributable at the same time to ensure that a large amount of excellent and 
: useful software was available to the world.  There are software packages 
: covered by the GPL for unix, dos, windows and other operating systems.  
: Gnuplot has been ported to Windows and is an excellent graphics program.  
: Gzip and Gunzip have been ported to Dos along with GnuTar and they are 
: excellent software programs.  Expose sounds to be a VERY promising software 
: package, BUT according to the announcement, it will be sold for a profit ON 
: the software, not on the DISTRIBUTION of the software.

:       I just want to go on the record to say that if you are going to
: be selling this Expose software package for a profit and you have derived
: a very large portion of it from the publicly available GPL covered
: Linux operating system developed in large by Linus Torvalds, that you will
: be doing so against the Legal license it was released under.  Especially
: since the Linux OS has been developed and refined and fine tuned by a large
: amount of Programmers and especially Linus who has spent ungodly amounts of
: time improving this os and not making a profit off of it, not even making
: practically ANYTHING from it.  It would be a sin for anyone to make any
: money from others efforts in my eyes and the eyes of everyone else who
: knows about Linus and his efforts.

The thing is, the GPL doesn't matter. Linus Torvalds probably can't
afford to hire a team of top lawyers, and the FSF and LPF may have
trouble doing so. Novell can afford to throw everything at them, and if
the result is to be the end of the GPL, other companies may well invest
in this.

--
Andrew Bulhak            |
acb@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au| "Reality is 80 million polygons per second!"
Monash Uni, Clayton,     |                (seen in a DECstation lab)
Victoria, Australia      |

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From: haynes@cats.ucsc.edu (James H. Haynes)
Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology
Subject: Clothes named after programming languages
Date: 13 May 1994 18:43:38 GMT


You can get Basic or Pascal jeans in the Guess? brand.  Presumably COBOL
writers wear suits and not jeans.  Anybody know where to get appropriate
wear for C and Fortran?  LISP?  Perl? C++?   (Surely one of these will
get someone's nomination as the emperor who wears no clothes.)
-- 
haynes@cats.ucsc.edu
haynes@cats.bitnet

"Ya can talk all ya wanna, but it's dif'rent than it was!"
"No it aint!  But ya gotta know the territory!"
        Meredith Willson: "The Music Man"


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From: swampler@noao.edu ()
Subject: Linux on a Toshiba T2200sx?
Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 16:20:34 GMT

I've just acquired (for business) a used laptop.  It's a Toshiba T2200sx
with 4MB RAM and 70MB hard drive.  There's a modem card in it, as well.

Does Linux work on this beast?  Will it fit (I realize I'll probably have to
avoid X-windows...)?  Can it drive the modem (very important!)?

If the answers are all 'yes', is there a particular version of Linux I
should use?  (I'm assuming the drive is an IDE drive, right?, so I don't
need the SCSI-interface, nor (unless I want to play with PLIP) the networking
code...)

Thanks for any help!
-- 
Steve Wampler
swampler@noao.edu
Gemini Project (under AURA)

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From: chris@blackvelvet.ads.com (Chris Smith)
Subject: [Observation] Mosaic's Spinning Globe
Date: 13 May 1994 12:34:38 GMT

A co-worker pointed out to me recently an oddity in Mosaic 2.4 that
might suggest a problem with either Mosaic 2.4 or with XFree86 itself.
I didn't worry about it at first, but after yesterday afternoon's
netsurfing, I began to wonder...

I'm running Linux 1.0 on a 486DX50; my enlightened co-worker is using
something else, methinks.  I was trying to retrieve an HTTP document
related to Linux, in fact, but sunsite.unc.edu wasn't responding right
away, so the globe was spinning away.  The globe was spinning so fast,
in fact, that I could barely see the dots moving in to the globe nor the
continents spinning by on the globe; it was all a blur.  Remembering my
co-worker's observation, I checked the status of the X process via ps --
ie. 'ps -ax | grep X' -- to see what it was up to.  It was running (R)
away, with its CPU time climbing every second.  It had gained a minute
of CPU time in a minute.  Once I aborted the retrieval, X's status was
now idle, not running, and its CPU time stopped climbing.

I tried this out on my Sun Classic at work, for giggles and grins, and I
didn't see this behavior.  X's CPU time was climbing, but not nearly as
fast as it was on my Linux system.  It had gained maybe two seconds in
fifteen...

Anyway, this is just an observation...  I imagine this could have some
nasty consequences in some situations...

          ----------------------------------------------------
           Christopher A. Smith -- Booz-Allen & Hamilton Inc.
                     Internet: chris@sartre.ads.com

    *** These views DO NOT represent those of Booz-Allen & Hamilton ***

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From: hemr@hulaw1.harvard.edu (Kurt Wm. Hemr, Harvard Law School)
Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Streets named after programming languages
Date: 13 May 94 01:49:32 EDT

In article <94132.123250U21187@uicvm.uic.edu>, 
John Schulien <U21187@uicvm.uic.edu> writes:

> Well, I live a few blocks from Ada street, here in Chicago

We have a Perlman Place in the Gramercy Park area of Manhattan,
as well as a Pe[a]rl St. downtown -- and of course Ave. C in
the East Village.

Apropos of Commodore's death [Warning: impending topic drift]
does anyone remember a language called COMAL?  Did this language
ever exist on a system besides the C64?  If not, any reason why?

-- 
Kurt Wm. Hemr /  1541 Mass. Ave. Apt. 553  /  Cambridge, MA  02138
** Pres. Clinton -- appoint R. Posner, J., 7th Cir., to S. Ct.! **

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Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers
From: wilson@nutec.com (Wilson Roberto Afonso)
Subject: Re: Streets named after programming languages (was Re: IRIS frame grabber docs)
Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 18:53:54 GMT

acbul1@penfold.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew Bulhak) writes:
>Luuk Spreeuwers - UT (luuk@mi.el.utwente.nl) wrote:
>: Inside Technology
>: Fortranweg 7
>  ^^^^^^^^^^
>: 3821 BK  Amersfoort
>: Netherlands
>A street named after Fortran? How cool!
>Does anybody know of any other streets named after programming languages?

I can think of at least one called "C".  There must be dozens of those.

-Wilson
-- 
Wilson Roberto Afonso              NA Nutec Corporation
+1 415 988-9781                    2685 Marine Way Suite 1319
FAX: +1 415 988-9782               Mountain View, CA 94043
Internet: wilson@nutec.com

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From: acbul1@penfold.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew Bulhak)
Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Streets named after programming languages (was Re: IRIS frame grabber docs)
Date: 11 May 1994 02:08:16 GMT

[comp.os.linux.announce]

Luuk Spreeuwers - UT (luuk@mi.el.utwente.nl) wrote:
: The supplier is:

: Inside Technology
: Fortranweg 7
  ^^^^^^^^^^
: 3821 BK  Amersfoort
: Netherlands

A street named after Fortran? How cool!
Does anybody know of any other streets named after programming languages?

--
Andrew Bulhak            | "The Information Stuporhighway will be 
acb@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au|  paved with beables"
Monash Uni, Clayton,     |                  -- David C. Brogden
Victoria, Australia      |

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From: kevin@valis.ampr.ab.ca (Kevin B. Fluet)
Subject: Pentium optimised Linux?  was Re: Linux on Gateway 2000 Pentium 90MHz
Date: 13 May 1994 18:29:32 GMT

Speaking of g2k pentium systems, is anyone out there running a pentium
optimised kernel, etc.?  I know there was a one-time-only unsupported
release of a Pentium GCC from Intel a few months back, but I haven't heard
anything since.  Did it work with Linux?  Was that release rolled into the
standard GCC?  

-- Kevin

============================================================
Kevin Fluet               WorldGate Public Access Internet
kfluet@ccinet.ab.ca       Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
kevin@valis.ampr.ab.ca    modem: (403)444-7685

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From: quinlan@pleiades.cs.bucknell.edu (Daniel Quinlan)
Subject: Re: Interest in a weekly Linux news?
Date: 13 May 1994 16:52:42 GMT
Reply-To: quinlan@spectrum.cs.bucknell.edu


Jeff Tranter writes:

> I think that Linux Journal is doing a great job, but there is quite
> a delay between the time an article is written and the time it
> appears in print.

I hope that this will improve in the future.

> A while back, Lars Wirzenius and later Denise Tree produced a weekly
> report on Linux happenings called "Linux News"; it was posted to the
> net. I found this very useful, but it stopped sometime around June.
> 
> Is there any interest in reviving Linux News or have Linux Journal and
> c.o.l.a. made it obsolete?

I like the idea of reviving Linux News, but I think it may be a good
idea to try something more ambitious than the old Linux News.  If
hypertext could be used for such a project, it could be made available
in HTML via WWW, text versions posted to c.o.l.a., and PostScript/DVI
versions downloadable via FTP on the major Linux sites.

Dan

--
Daniel Quinlan  <quinlan@spectrum.cs.bucknell.edu>

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From: talvola@fennel.berkeley.edu (Erik Talvola)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Novell is trying to Sell a derivative of Linux for a big
Date: 13 May 94 16:08:58


I'm not sure what people think the problem is here.  "Linux" is a collection
of programs.  The kernel is GPL, and Novell would have to provide source code
for it.  However, if they take the Linux kernel, and add some of their own
applications to it (from the original article, it sounds like this is their
plan), and sell it for whatever (the article mentioned about $100 I think),
there is no problem at all.  Many major pieces of Linux are not GPL programs,
like X11 for example.

I hope Novell continues with the project.  Getting commercial support of
Linux from a large company like Novell would likely stabilize the kernel
quickly.

--
+-----------------------------+
! Erik Talvola                | "It's just what we need... a colossal negative 
! erikt@psi.prc.com           | space wedgie of great power coming right at us
! talvola@gnu.ai.mit.edu      | at warp speed." -- Star Drek

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From: tran@f18sun5.nwc.navy.mil (Tri Tran)
Subject: Re: Interest in a weekly Linux news?
Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 18:07:39 GMT


This sound like a good idea.  I for one don't have all of the time
to continuously read news to keep up with the latest news.  Also,
the writer(s) would probadly have an indept knowledge of what is
important and what is not.  Also, wouldn't it defeat the
purpose if it's going to be posted.  Would a mailing list be
more appropriate?  That way, you don't have to shift through
all of the many article to get to it.

Tri

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Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology
From: masjb@irix.bris.ac.uk (SJ. Brewster)
Subject: Re: Streets named after programming languages
Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 17:11:57 GMT

There's a Zed Alley in Bristol...

--
Steve.Brewster@Bristol.ac.uk 
There is no dark side in the moon, really.  Matter o' fact it's all dark.

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From: odoncaoa@panix.com (Douglas Donahue)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.os.linux.development,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,aus.computers.linux,fr.comp.os.linux,maus.os.linux,de.comp.os.linux,fj.os.linux,no.linux
Subject: Xfree86/mouse/IRQ/config problem
Date: 13 May 1994 18:52:43 -0400

Greetings,

I am trying to determine and correct, what would appear to be a (soft)
configuration problem on my system. Previously, I had a similar
problem. The cause of which, apparently turned out to be a hard-
ware problem. Linux didn't like the other busmouse card. I'm
guessing that the I/O port address for it was not 23Ch-23Fh. In any
case, the problem I am having is still apparently mouse related.

X now seems to initialize ok. I get an X session with a workspace and
a virtual desktop. However, I have almost no control over the mouse. As
you may note, a warning has been generated by xinit reguarding the
mouse:

> Warning: unable to get status of mouse fd (Invalid argument)

The behaviour of the 'mouse to cursor' interaction resembles what I
would normally conclude to be an IRQ conflict. When trying to interact
via the mouse, the cursor keeps bouncing back to the [0,0] position.
As it is moved, the cursor jumps around to about 9 or so positions
with a degree of regularity. The positions are roughly [0,100],
[100,100], [100,0]; [0,200], [200,200], and [200,0], the corners of a
square. Occasionally, the window manager control pop-up menu apprears.
I am pretty confident that the problem is not an IRQ conflict
because I have double checked the jumper configurations for all of the
boards in the machine. The system works well under windoze/DOS. No
conflicts or strange behaviours are encountered (well, other than the
stock issue ones ;} ). I also pulled all but the video, adaptec scsi
disk controller and mouse cards and tried X again. The behaviour
remained.  Have you seen this before? Any suggestions? I have tried
using all of the other mouse drivers. i.e. signifying every mouse
keyword in the 'Xconfig' file and none of those worked (as expected).

The following is output of 'startx' on my machine. I have already
reconfigured and recompiled the kernel on my machine and, yes IRQ5 is
setup for the MS bus mouse that I am using. The mouse is found and works
correctly with MS windows.  It is jumpered correctly as well (IRQ5,I/O=
23Ch-23Fh=primary,AT slot). Oh yea, I've a Trident 9200cxr which I
configured as an 8900c graphics adapter.

Here are the entries in /dev:

lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     root            8 Mar 23 08:05 mouse -> bmousems
crw-rw-rw-   1 root     root      10,   2 Nov 30 14:30 bmousems

Here is the output of startx:

> XFree86 Version 2.0 / X Window System
> (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 5000)
> Operating System: Linux 
> Configured drivers:
>   VGA256: server for 8-bit colour SVGA (Patchlevel 0):
>       et4000, et3000, pvga1, wd90c00, wd90c10, wd90c30, wd90c31, gvga, ati,
>       tvga8800cs, tvga8900b, tvga8900c, tvga8900cl, tvga9000, clgd5420,
>       clgd5422, clgd5424, clgd5426, clgd5428, clgd6205, clgd6215, clgd6225,
>       clgd6235, ncr77c22, ncr77c22e, cpq_avga, oti067, oti077
> (using VT number 7)
> 
> Xconfig: /usr2/odoncaoa/Xconfig
> (**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values
> (**) Mouse: type: Microsoft, device: /dev/mouse, baudrate: 9600
> (**) FontPath set to "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,
> /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc/"
> (**) VGA256: chipset:  tvga8900c
> (**) VGA256: videoram: 1024k
> (**) VGA256: clocks:  25.20  28.30  44.90  36.00  50.35  40.35  65.00  75.00
> (--) VGA256: Maximum allowed dot-clock: 90MHz
> (**) VGA256: Mode "800x600": mode clock =  36.000, clock used =  36.000
> (**) VGA256: Mode "640x480": mode clock =  25.000, clock used =  25.200
> (**) VGA256: Virtual resolution set to 800x600
> (--) VGA256: SpeedUp code selection modified because virtualX != 1024
> Warning: unable to get status of mouse fd (Invalid argument)
>
> waiting for X server to shut down 
> 
> xinit:  Unknown error (errno 0):  Client error.

Cheers,

Doug

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From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Interest in a weekly Linux news?
Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 18:13:29 GMT

In article <17218@tranter> tranter@Software.Mitel.COM (Jeff Tranter) writes:
>A while back, Lars Wirzenius and later Denise Tree produced a weekly
>report on Linux happenings called "Linux News"; it was posted to the
>net. I found this very useful, but it stopped sometime around June.
>
>Is there any interest in reviving Linux News or have Linux Journal and
>c.o.la. made it obsolete?

Definitely revive it. If there is someone who will put it together anyway.

Alan

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From: keelings@wl.aecl.ca (S. Keeling)
Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Streets named after programming languages (was Re: IRIS frame grabber docs)
Date: 13 May 1994 10:45:45 -0500

In article <MATT.94May11101448@snoopy.setanta.demon.co.uk>,
Matt Francomb <matt@setanta.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In article <2qpg4t$itm@cat.cis.Brown.EDU> bcj@cs.brown.edu (brent jackson) writes:
>   C street in washington d.c. 
>
>   -brent
>
>Rather depends on whether you count C as a programming language.

        Pray tell, what do you count it as?

-- 

 keelings@wu1.wl.aecl.ca       S. Keeling,   AECL - Whiteshell Labs

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From: gregh@cc.gatech.edu (Greg Hankins)
Subject: Re: Seeking Documentation for hooking up a terminal.
Date: 11 May 1994 22:09:04 GMT

In article <2qqfpd$r00@lynx.dac.neu.edu>,
zachary brown <zbrown@lynx.dac.neu.edu> wrote:
>I recently found an EPSON QX-10. Does anyone know if this can be used as
>a terminal for my Linux box, or where I can find the relevant
>documentation? I seem to remember reading that terminal connection via
>the serial port is possible, but there was no other mention of it in the
>Getting Started guide.

Get the Serial-HOWTO from sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO.
It has detailed information on hooking up terminals.

Greg

Greg Hankins (gregh@cc.gatech.edu)  |  College of Computing
Georgia Institute of Technology     |  Computing and Networking Services
Atlanta, GA 30332-0280              |  +1 404 894 9678

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