Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #104
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Date:     Fri, 13 May 94 12:13:12 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #104, Volume #2                Fri, 13 May 94 12:13:12 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Streets named after programming languages (Michael E. Christensen)
  Re: recompiling the kernel (Snorfle)
  Re: Auto file name completion with "ESC" key? (Timothy Andrew Lister)
  Re: linux unethical ? (Maximilian Ibel)
  Re: Streets named after programming languages (was Re: IRIS frame grabber docs) (Robert Bernecky)
  Re: PCWEEK 'Product of the week' (Marc Fraioli)
  Re: Streets named after programming languages (was Re: IRIS frame grabber docs) (Absalom on Drugs)
  Linux on Leading Edge? (zachary brown)
  Re: A good NFS server ? (Alan Cox)
  Re: Novell is trying to Sell a derivative of Linux for a big (Alan Cox)
  Re: [Observation] Mosaic's Spinning Globe (Kari E. Hurtta)
  Simple (OO)DBMS (Andrej Vckovski)
  Re: Is this a bug with gnu-grep-2.0 or with linux? (Lars Wirzenius)
  how to connect WFW 3.11 to linux box ?? (Papa Legba)
  Re: COMMODORE CALLS IT QUITS (Alexandra Griffin)
  Re: Mail Tool, etc. for Linux? (Marc Fraioli)
  Linux/NetBSD/386BSD.... (duling@niehs.nih.gov)

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From: sybil@iesd.auc.dk (Michael E. Christensen)
Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Streets named after programming languages
Date: 13 May 94 12:25:09

>>>>> On 13 May 94 01:49:32 EDT, hemr@hulaw1.harvard.edu (Kurt Wm. Hemr, Harvard Law School) said:

        [snip ...]

Kurt> Apropos of Commodore's death [Warning: impending topic drift]
Kurt> does anyone remember a language called COMAL?  Did this language
Kurt> ever exist on a system besides the C64?  If not, any reason why?


Yes i remember. COMAL80 on the C64 (i never had one thow) but it was
(is) a fun language, at that time fun just had the meaning "better
than basic".

I had comal on the PC, but i can't remember if you coudt get it for the
ZX-spectrum.
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From: sta@whale.micro.umn.edu (Snorfle)
Subject: Re: recompiling the kernel
Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 00:56:53 GMT

Quinn Paul (p_quinn@cs.concordia.ca) wrote:

: I have just recompiled my kernel with the changes I needed.  I am booting
: Linux from my HD, where do I need to copy the new kernel to?

Just copy the new kernel to /vmlinuz, assuming that lilo is configured to
the same way that mine was originally.  It's probably a good idea to make 
a backup of your currect /vmlinuz, just incase!

: Thanks
: -- 
: ________________________________________________________________________________
: |                                     |                                      |
: | Paul Quinn                          |                                      ||                                       |                                      |
: | p_quinn@cs.concordia.ca             |                                      |

--

-Shawn

*-Shawn T. Amundson-----------*-SnorfWare Software Products--------*
|  sta@mermaid.micro.umn.edu  |  Coming Soon:  crlf v1.0 for linux |  
|  amun0024@gold.tc.umn.edu   |  Linux RULES.   (Space for rent)   |     
*-USAR Specialist-------------*-Software made for people!-;->------*
Only God can make random selections.

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From: tal@st-andrews.ac.uk (Timothy Andrew Lister)
Subject: Re: Auto file name completion with "ESC" key?
Date: 13 May 1994 10:13:22 GMT

In article <CpnGLo.7Bp@avalon.chinalake.navy.mil>,
Tri Tran <tran@f18sun5.nwc.navy.mil> wrote:
>Could someone tell me why I can't complete the file name that
>I want to type by hitting the "ESC" under linux?  Is there a 


You don't mention what shell you are using but if it's tcsh then it
should do it when you press the Tab key. In csh you had to set a variable
called filec in $HOME/.cshrc.

I don't know how to do it ksh, but as my version of ksh I got with Slackware
is *very* flakey I don't use it.

Hope this helps,
                Tim Lister

-- 
The secret of success in Maths: "Plagiarize. Plagiarize, let no one's work evade
 your eyes, but remember all of the time to call it... research" -  Tom Lehrer.
GS(A&A) -p+ c++++ l++ u++ e++ m+(-) s++/ !n(+) h+(*) f+ g+ w+(+++) t+
 r+(++) y?  (finger hayden@vax1.mankato.msus.edu to get translation)

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From: ibel@informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de (Maximilian Ibel)
Subject: Re: linux unethical ?
Date: 13 May 1994 10:42:20 GMT

Hello, again.

First of all (in order to appease several people who
wrote me mails/posted in this group), I want to thank
Linus Torvalds for his wonderful os.
Obviously, I haven't made it clear enough that I use
linux regularly (I have no other os, at the moment)
and am quite happy with it. Thanks also to R. Stallman
and other autors of GNU or free software, whose
programs I use, too.
My original article wasn't intended to be an attack
but a question.


Second, I want to thank all  people who answered me,
per mail or by posting here. The generally friendly
tone was perhaps more I deserved for my stupid
questions, and I have to confess that I have to
think about capitalism/socialism etc a bit harder
before posting. However, "wer nicht fragt, bleibt
dumm" (Who does not ask, remains ignorant).

Even my friend had to concede that if a firm
uses a free  (or GNU, I know the difference, I
have known before, but for an exact definition, read
the GPL) program instead of a commercial one, the
spared money will not dissapear in limbo, it will
make the firms products cheaper (for the competition),
or when no competition exists, the managers will
order new swimming pools etc for themselves ;-),
which will create new jobs as well.

So far, so good. I could not convice him of more.
It seems useless. However, he is not a socialist,
(as far as I can tell) like many of the posters/writers
suspected. I give up now. (Convincing a block.... is
boring, anyway).

I think, there are some examples in the computer world
which show that commercial product *can* compete
with the same product (free). "TeX" is a fine
example for this. There are several firms earning lots
of money for commercial TeX-Versions.
If NOVELL(TM) does sell a linux-containing product,
we have another nice example.

In my opinion, there are more jobs for writing
customized software or for adapting software than
there are jobs for writing programs ala MS-DOS
which are programmed once (by a relatively small
staff) and sold many times (ala MSDOS) . Free Software
(especially software under the GPL which "opens"
the source code) will promote the jobs for
customized software and (perhaps) lessen the market
for MSDOS et al. The total number of jobs would also
increase.
HOWEVER: for this opinion, I have no proof. Therefore
I wrote my original article. Just to get some
statistical data.

If you have some relevant data, please feel free to
write me. PLEASE USE EMAIL. DON'T POST ANY MORE
ARTICELS ABOUT THIS TOPIC IN THIS NEWSGROUP. PLEASE FORGIVE
SYNTACTICAL AND SEMANTICAL ERRORS.

With best regards,
Maximilian
P.S. I really don't care wether linux is unethical or
not. I would use it anyway, I think. MI


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Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers
From: bernecky@eecg.toronto.edu (Robert Bernecky)
Subject: Re: Streets named after programming languages (was Re: IRIS frame grabber docs)
Date: 11 May 94 23:29:13 GMT

In article <EIJKHOUT.94May11023235@cupid.cs.utk.edu> eijkhout@cupid.cs.utk.edu (Victor Eijkhout) writes:
>In article <2qpemg$3nu@harbinger.cc.monash.edu.au> acbul1@penfold.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew Bulhak) writes:
>
>   Does anybody know of any other streets named after programming languages?
>
There are "J" streets in most towns with C streets.

Also, the computer language seen most often on the open road and asea
is APL.  (American President Lines -- a shipping firm).

Bob

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From: mjf@clark.net (Marc Fraioli)
Subject: Re: PCWEEK 'Product of the week'
Date: 11 May 1994 21:31:33 GMT
Reply-To: mjf@clark.net

In article Rovers@di0023.kub.nl, Perry.Rovers@kub.nl  (Perry Rovers) writes:
>In Article <1994May6.095056.11844@cabell.vcu.edu> "nts3cjc@cabell.vcu.edu (Christopher J. Cioffi)" says:
>> Well, I'd say that by merely being *included* in the list with OS/2
>> and DOS is a pretty good thing!  Being thrown into the list with the
>> big two 32-bit OSs goes far to say how popular Linux is.  
>DOS? a 32-bit OS? I must be reading something wrong...
>He probably means NT, right? But then again.. 'the big two 32-bit OSs'?
> 
Microsoft's project code-named "Chicago" is a 32-bit OS, and when released
will be available in two versions-- with GUI and without.  The former will
be known as Windows 4.0, the latter DOS 7.0.  This is probably what was 
being referred to.

---
Marc Fraioli          | "They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist- " 
mjf@clark.net         |    - Last words of Union General John Sedgwick,
                      |    Battle of Spotsylvania Court House, U.S. Civil War


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Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Streets named after programming languages (was Re: IRIS frame grabber docs)
From: Absalom on Drugs <stsai@husc.harvard.edu>
Date: 13 May 94 01:18:57 GMT
Reply-To: <stsai@husc.harvard.edu>

bcj@cs.brown.edu (brent jackson) writes:

>\\ Does anybody know of any other streets named after programming languages?

>C street in washington d.c. 

Also C Street at NASA Ames in Calif.


Absalom on Drugs

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From: zbrown@lynx.dac.neu.edu (zachary brown)
Subject: Linux on Leading Edge?
Date: 13 May 1994 08:27:23 -0400


Hi. Has anyone had success with linux on a Leading Edge computer? The
one I'm thinking of is a model #2700   486/66 with 4MB ram with no cashe
memory. Successes, failures, problems welcome.

zbrown@lynx.dac.neu.edu

lovitlovitsince0.99pl15
Linux, the internet, libraries and fire departments are good.

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.unix.unixware,comp.unix.solaris
From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: A good NFS server ?
Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 11:51:59 GMT

In article <CpC9AJ.HyL@acsu.buffalo.edu> ziniuwei@acsu.buffalo.edu (Ziniu "Michael" Wei) writes:
>Geoff Rehmet (csgr@cs.ru.ac.za) wrote:
>Is it IPC you're talking about?  I don't have experience using IPC as
>file server, 'cause it's damn slow.  IPX is much better.  I'm curious
>that why a 486DX33 only compares with an IPC.

Partly because until 1.1.3 the SCSI subsystem wasn't as fast as it could
have been. With 1.1.3 my Adaptec SCSI doubled in speed - and I was very 
happy indeed!

Alan



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From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Novell is trying to Sell a derivative of Linux for a big
Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 12:03:27 GMT

In article <CppAz0.652@edb.tih.no> jornj@colargol.edb.tih.no (Joern Jensen) writes:
>: It is most likely that they will improve the IPX part of the kernel and when
>: they do this, the GPL requires that they make their changes available in source
>: code!
>
>Now this would be very nice. But do anyone know if this implies also if
>Linux gets 'modular' drivers? That would mean that Novell didn't have to
>change any source in the kernel to add IPX. Will a driver written as a

Modules are dynamically linked code (like shared libraries), not seperate
applications. Its a little fuzzier than that too a lawyer I suspect. As it
happens several Novell people have been contributing code in their role
as individuals to Linux including help with the DOS emulation and IPX
fixes. 

What it basically seems to come down to with Novell in my experience is

o       IPX info is pretty much free
o       SPX info is very hard to get but can be deduced from the Xerox XNS
        that it closely follows and from ethernet dumps
o       NCP is a tightly guarded secret and licensable only under strict
        rules and at high cost. Since thats the key to a lot of their 
        sales I understand why even if I dislike it. 
        
In fact with NCP bits are documented in free Novell documents as overviews
and concepts, a load more is documented in Dr.Dobbs journal Nov 1993 and the
rest can be found out by analysing ethernet or the output off NETX.

Someone (including Novell) could easily write a NETX client for Linux using
UserFS and the kernel IPX code. Given a lot of time you could also clone the
Novell server too 8)

Alan


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From: hurtta@dionysos.fmi.fi (Kari E. Hurtta)
Subject: Re: [Observation] Mosaic's Spinning Globe
Date: 13 May 1994 12:59:14 GMT

chris@blackvelvet.ads.com (Chris Smith) writes:
;A co-worker pointed out to me recently an oddity in Mosaic 2.4 that
;might suggest a problem with either Mosaic 2.4 or with XFree86 itself.
;I didn't worry about it at first, but after yesterday afternoon's
;netsurfing, I began to wonder...

<...>

;Anyway, this is just an observation...  I imagine this could have some
;nasty consequences in some situations...

My 0.50 marks(*) that this is Mosaic's bug. (How about select(2)?)

((*) Finnish marks, of course!)
--
- Kari E. Hurtta                             /  Eldmd on monimutkaista
  Kari.Hurtta@Fmi.FI                         puh. (90) 1929 658

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From: vckovski@gis.geogr.unizh.ch (Andrej Vckovski)
Subject: Simple (OO)DBMS
Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 14:09:01 GMT

Hi Linuxer's
I was wondering if there is a simple, eassy to install, use and program
DBMS or better OODBMS available somewhere. I'm a bit afraid of
installing postgres, and I do not know /rdb.

The best would be a class library for C++ that adds persitence.

And ideas ?
(Please reply by e-mail, will post a summary afterwards)

Andrej
==============================================================
Andrej Vckovski                    vckovski@gis.geogr.unizh.ch
University of Zurich               Phone: +41 1 257 52 55
Winterthurerstr. 190               Fax:   +41 1 362 52 27
CH-8057 Zurich
Switzerland
==============================================================

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From: wirzeniu@cc.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius)
Subject: Re: Is this a bug with gnu-grep-2.0 or with linux?
Date: 13 May 1994 14:47:13 +0300

tfj@olivia.ping.dk writes:
> It is very complex to create a command line which exactly
> feeds text-only files to grep.

Agreed.

> >All versions of grep that I know of will happily search for the
> >required string also in binary files.  If they happen to find it,
> >they will print whatever they think is the current line.
> 
> I can't imagine any case where that behaviour is useful.

The "10%/90%" rule: do the 10% of the work that will solve 90% of the
problem.  Treating all filenames similarly is somewhat easier than
coding all the information about potentially useful files into grep,
therefore, grep treats all filenames similarly.  

BTW, not only grep has this problem.  Lots of other programs would
benefit from such a feature as well.  But it would make all those
program more complex.  Therefore, it is better to have a separate
tool that finds text files.

> Also, if grep hits a named pipe, it hangs.

No, it just waits until there is someone at the other end who will
write stuff to the pipe.

> It is very complicated to the user to feed grep with exactly text
> files, while it would be rather easy for grep to do it itself.

I vehemently disagree.  There is no 100% reliable way for a program
to distinguish between text files and binary files.  Anything less
than 100% accurate will create serious problems.

> I think text files can be found pretty close. Text has lines in it,
> and I don't think some isprint() would slow things much.

Are formatted man pages text files?  They have control characters
in them, so they fail the ispring test, but they are rather readable
aren't they?

And since isprint would have to be applied to every character in the
file, it could indeed be inefficient.  Since the binary nature of a
file might not be evident until the last characters, grep would have
to read the file twice, once to check for binaryness, once to actually
find stuff, or else it would have to buffer its output until it had made
sure that the input wasn't a binary file.

--
Lars.Wirzenius@helsinki.fi  (finger wirzeniu@klaava.helsinki.fi)
My name is Ozymandias, king of kings/Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!

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From: lockwooj@janus.ucq.edu.au (Papa Legba)
Subject: how to connect WFW 3.11 to linux box ??
Date: 12 May 1994 05:09:58 GMT

I'm looking for ways to connect my dos box to my linux box.

I have got ncsa telnet etc for dos and have just ftp'd the nfs stuff fot
dos but I'm also looking for a linux program that will directly
interface with Win For Workgroups default networking stuff.

I did hear of Samba ( I think it wass called that ) that is a linux
add on that will let it talk to windows boxes running window's standard
protocols, which is lan manager or something ...

Thanks for any help anyone can provide.
--
Jason Lockwood.
3rd Year Bachelor of Computing
Central Queensland University
Rockhampton, Queensland, Australia.




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From: acg@kzin.cen.ufl.edu (Alexandra Griffin)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: COMMODORE CALLS IT QUITS
Date: 10 May 1994 22:51:59 GMT

In article <2q3q5a$8ht@clarknet.clark.net>, Ken Bass <kbass@clark.net> wrote:
>: I guess this means that the market for PCs will be focused around the
>: Intel, MIPS, Sparc and powerPC series of chips.
>
>  As opposed to what- the C64, Vic20, or Amiga chip?

The 64 & vic were 6502-based-- no danger of that architecture
re-emerging, I hope, even though they did manage to take it up to 32
bits at one point (68C832?).  The Amigas were MC68K machines.  Quite
ahead of their time in 1985 (I had an A1000), when CGA was still
considered high resolution, but it's a pity Commodore kind of let them
die out...

It would be interesting if HP purchased rights to the Commodore
product line... PA-RISC based Amigas would be quite nice!
-- 
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\    / //////////////////////////////////////////////
 \  / / Alexandra Griffin /// acg@kzin.cen.ufl.edu /
  \/ //////////////////////////////////////////////

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From: mjf@clark.net (Marc Fraioli)
Subject: Re: Mail Tool, etc. for Linux?
Date: 13 May 1994 14:40:36 GMT
Reply-To: mjf@clark.net

In article Cx@netcom.com, edwardb@netcom.com (Edward Baichtal) writes:
>I can't seem to find something like Mail Tool for X Windows in t
>my copy of the Slackware installation.  Should it be there, or do I need to get
>it from somewhere else?
>-- 
If you mean the MailTool you see in Sun's OpenWindows, Sun owns it, and it's
not available.  There are alternatives though-- get the Slackware Tcl disks
and install them, and then get tkmail.  It's more Motif-looking, but it's
quite good.

---
Marc Fraioli          | "They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist- " 
mjf@clark.net         |    - Last words of Union General John Sedgwick,
                      |    Battle of Spotsylvania Court House, U.S. Civil War


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From: dave duling (duling@niehs.nih.gov)
Subject: Linux/NetBSD/386BSD....
Date: 11 May 1994 01:37:41 GMT

Just curious, is there any effort to combine/distill one 
freeware unix from all the current possiblities ?  And
what are the relative merits of the alternatives ?

-dave duling
 duling@niehs.nih.gov

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