Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #103
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Fri, 13 May 94 08:13:08 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #103, Volume #2                Fri, 13 May 94 08:13:08 EDT

Contents:
  What is latest CD out? (Mario Gutierrez)
  Mail Tool, etc. for Linux? (Edward Baichtal)
  Re: Linux on Gateway 2000 Pentium 90MHz (Michael R. Gile)
  Re: BogoMips on a Pentium/66 (Peter Hahn)
  Re: Cdroms.. what NOW?  (no Cd-rom a month.. no LGX, etc) (Tibor Polgar)
  Re: Still that BackSpace key problem (Christian Weisgerber)
  Re: PCI-ATI-GUP and Burstmode on X-window (Michael L. VanLoon)
  Wine (Paul Stoneman)
  Re: Linux in PC Week again (May 9th issue) (Charles Hedrick)
  Re: database system for everyday use (DAVID L. JOHNSON)
  Re: Linux & DOS ? (Alan Cox)
  Re: MITSUMI - final word (Hubert Mantel)
  Re: InfoMagic CDROM (Mark Edgeworth)
  Re: Streets named after programming languages (Jeremy Bettis)
  Re: OpenStep for $100 (Doug Rabson)
  Re: COMMODORE CALLS IT QUITS (Markus Wischerath)
  Re: COMMODORE CALLS IT QUITS (Maarten Boekhold (Who'd you expect??))
  Re: Streets named after programming languages (Shaun Lowry)

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From: masc1266@saturn.sdsu.edu (Mario Gutierrez)
Subject: What is latest CD out?
Date: 13 May 1994 00:25:19 GMT

I'm looking to purchase a CD with Linux and the the arcvhies from Sunsite,
etc. Since there are so many to choose from, I would like to purchase the
latest.  If you have the number to the company I would be even more
appreciative.

---
mario l gutierrez
mgutierr@mentor.sdsu.edu
mgutierr@saturn.sdsu.edu

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From: edwardb@netcom.com (Edward Baichtal)
Subject: Mail Tool, etc. for Linux?
Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 00:07:44 GMT

I can't seem to find something like Mail Tool for X Windows in t
my copy of the Slackware installation.  Should it be there, or do I need to get
it from somewhere else?
-- 
Edward Baichtal                              "... too jaded to 
edwardb@netcom.com                            question stagnation"

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From: gilem@litecdev.eng.rpi.edu (Michael R. Gile)
Subject: Re: Linux on Gateway 2000 Pentium 90MHz
Date: 12 May 1994 20:38:15 GMT

In article <2qa7gg$7qa@news.cs.tu-berlin.de>,
Ronald Hindmarsh <ronald@cs.tu-berlin.de> wrote:
>chu@monoceros.jpl.nasa.gov (Chester Chu) writes:
>
>>I am thinking to buy Pentinum 90MHz from Gateway 2000 with their
>>high performance PCI local bus graphics (2M VRAM).
>>I'd like to install Linux on this system.  Since I could not find PCI local
>>bus on the Linux's supported hardware list, I am not sure Linux will
>>work on this machine.

since this is a new motherboard (Intel PLATO), it is not mentioned
in the current PCI-HOWTO.  The same goes for Micronics' motherboard

>
>Let me add three extra questions:
>
>1) Is there a difference between "PCI bus" and "PCI local bus"?

no.

>
>2) Does the GW2000 P90 run 90 Mhz on the MOTHERBOARD?

no.  All systems which I know of use a 60MHz bus
(= 2/3 of chip clock)

>
>3) I would like to keep some ISA cards of my present machine
>   (486/33/ISA). Are there any ISA slots in the GW2000 P90?

yes.  I believe that there are 4 ISA slots, 2 PCI slots, and 
1 shared ISA/PCI slot


Mike
-- 
Michael Gile                        |               Graduate Assistant
gilem@rpi.edu                       |   Computer & Systems Engineering
"Don't Blame Me, I voted for Perot!"| Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute

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From: Peter@tequila.oche.de (Peter Hahn)
Subject: Re: BogoMips on a Pentium/66
Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 19:14:06 GMT

darrell@efn.org (Darrell Fuhriman) writes:

>In <2q199o$3e6@galaxy.ucr.edu> syum@corsa.ucr.edu (Sunny Yum) writes:

>>Rick (kswst4+@pitt.edu) wrote:
[...]
>Looks like fomit-frame-pointer makes a bit of a difference, eh?

  Give -finline-functions and -funroll-loops a try. I get +25% from both
performance and code size. Note, however, -fomit-frame-pointer equally
makes faster and even smaller, but also debugging impossible.

  The problems mentioned above are the reason for which this options are
not included into the standard -O/-O2 set.

Regards
        Peter
-- 
Peter Hahn                                                         Peterstr. 26
     52062 Aachen                                                Germany
          Peter@tequila.oche.de   pch@pool.informatik.rwth-aachen.de
                             Voice: +49 241 37151

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From: tlp00@mtlyell.spg.amdahl.com (Tibor Polgar)
Subject: Re: Cdroms.. what NOW?  (no Cd-rom a month.. no LGX, etc)
Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 23:03:50 GMT

In article <1994May10.024532.20979@kf8nh.wariat.org> bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) writes:
 > In article <TLP00.94May9165750@mtlyell.spg.amdahl.com>, tlp00@mtlyell.spg.amdahl.com (Tibor Polgar) says:
 > +---------------
 > | P.S. Rumor is that the new summer release is shipping on monday.  Its got a
 > | andrew and Lucid emacs. New one will have full x11r6.  Hope that don't do a Jana
 > +------------->8

 > I sincerely hope they don't try to ship R6 on Monday... at least, not
 > binaries.  It's not ready yet (watch for XFree86-3.1 with the X11R6 contrib
 > release, though).

Just the raw source i think.  No patches applied.  good for curiosity only i guess.

-- 
Tibor Polgar
tlp00@spg.amdahl.com, Amdahl Corp, ph.(408) 944-3500

-- all disclaimers apply  --

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From: naddy@mips.ruessel.sub.org (Christian Weisgerber)
Subject: Re: Still that BackSpace key problem
Date: 13 May 1994 00:16:21 +0200

danubius@chinook.halcyon.com (Joe Pannon) writes:

> I've seen several posts mentioning the Slackware 1.2.0 backspace key
> anomaly (it's ^? instead of ^H)

This isn't specific to Slackware, and this isn't an anomaly. The rubout
key produces a del (^?).

> I am also wondering about that /lib/cpp error.  Is it only a question of
> missing soft link to /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i486-linux/2.5.8/cpp ?

Yep.

> That would be a strange directory for an executable though. 

Ask the folks on alt.folklore.computers for the full story.

-- 
Christian 'naddy' Weisgerber, Germany         naddy@mips.ruessel.sub.org
                      Im uebrigen bin ich der Meinung,
                dass die Gateways abgeklemmt werden muessen.

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From: michaelv@iastate.edu (Michael L. VanLoon)
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix
Subject: Re: PCI-ATI-GUP and Burstmode on X-window
Date: 11 May 94 00:36:41 GMT

In <zxmgv07.768595328@studserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de> zxmgv07@studserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Michael Will) writes:

>I know that the S3-86C928P-videocards have problems with the saturn-chipset
>revision-2-burst and are therefore to be avoided on PCI-Boards using it.
>Some cards seem to have a workaround sending a "stop" at these bursts,
>slowing down the whole thing.

>I do not like the idea of shelling out 700,00 DM for a card which does not 
>perform good enough in the end because of this "feature"...

From what I understand, and I may be wrong, but the fault is not with
the card, but with buggy early PCI chipsets.  If this is of concern to
you, you should see if you can get your motherboard upgraded.

-- 
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
 Michael L. VanLoon                 Iowa State University Computation Center
    michaelv@iastate.edu                    Project Vincent Systems Staff
  Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free Un*x for PC/Mac/Amiga/etc.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

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From: rebel@io.org (Paul Stoneman)
Subject: Wine
Date: 11 May 1994 16:41:03 -0400

Can someone please tell me where to get information on the WINE emulator?  I
have been trying to track down some news groups but I cannot find them
anywhere.  ie comp.os.wine.misc  etc.  Is there any information about the
devolpement of it?  I would be interested in beta testing etc..

Thanks in advance..  

Paul Stoneman
rebel@io.org



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From: hedrick@geneva.rutgers.edu (Charles Hedrick)
Subject: Re: Linux in PC Week again (May 9th issue)
Date: 13 May 94 02:40:10 GMT

>I heard a rumor that OSF might be releasing Motif to the public in about
>a year.  (ie GPL or something similar)  Has anyone heard anything
>similar.  I just thought I'd ask to see if anyone else out there had
>heard the same rumor.

A year or so ago, there was a commitment that OSF would release the
*specifications* for Motif, not the code.  That was some time ago, so
there could be a newer commitment that I don't know about.  But a lot
of people made this confusion when it was originally announced.

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From: dlj0@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (DAVID L. JOHNSON)
Subject: Re: database system for everyday use
Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 00:24:20 GMT

In article <jra.116.00089CF6@lawdept.daytonOH.ncr.com>, jra@lawdept.daytonOH.ncr.com (John Ackermann) writes:
>In article <1994May9.143332.13505@n5ial.mythical.com> jim@n5ial.mythical.com (Jim Graham) writes:
>
>>So....  I'm thinking about writing the thing myself (actually, part of it
>>is already written).  Before I do, I'd like to ask a few questions.  First,
>>does such a beast exist for UNIX now?  If so, where is it?  (NOTE:  it
>>needs to be small...that's another issue---I have very limited space here.)
>>Second, what would people want from a simple, low-end database system?
>>List anything that you can think of---I'm looking for ideas here.
>
I just found (from hints on this thread) a program called `index' - 
index-1.3.tar.Z was found by Archie somewhere.  It's not bad, needed a little
tweaking to compile (BSD - vs - SYSV problems, and linux is half&half, 
couldn't be set either way completely), but it does what it advertises, which
I never could get mbase to do.  It is curses-based, very simple and small,
the data is stored as simply a contatenated list of teh entries, and the 
labels (and the number of fields) stored as a separate index file.

It'll find, sort, and cull out entries matching a given regex pattern.  It's
trivial to set up a database and do these operations.  

As far as missing features:  when culling by an expression, it'd be nice to 
be able to retrieve only certain fields, as opposed to all fields, and 
output it in printable lists.  I can manage, though.

If someone has trouble compiling this, let me know.
-- 

David L. Johnson                             ID:  dlj0@lehigh.edu
Department of Mathematics
Lehigh University, Bethlehem, PA 18015       Telephone: 610-758-3759 (office)
                                                        610-828-3708 (home)
MS-DOS: Just say No!

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From: iialan@myhost.subdomain.domain (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Linux & DOS ?
Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 10:07:16 GMT

Steve Fuller (sfuller@picard.infonet.net) wrote:
: If you're considering running a BBS and doing DOS/windows things, then any PC 
: based on an INTEL chip is out of the question (this is my opinion) Under 
: DOS/Windows you are not going to be able to get good performance for both you 
: and the board if both are active at the same time...

To get some kind of reliable setup you'd neet go beyond DOS/Windows to either
Linux and Unix (Especially since Citadel appears to have come out for Linux)
or OS/2. I guess NT could do it as well but....

--
Alan Cox: gw4pts@gw4pts.ampr.org      \\  //          GW4PTS@GB7SWN
=======================================\\//===================================
<<<<<<     Toolkits are for WIMPS :::: //\\Lib :::: the only way to fly >>>>>>
======================================//==\\==================================

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From: mantel@suse.de (Hubert Mantel)
Subject: Re: MITSUMI - final word
Date: 13 May 1994 02:16:36 +0200

In article <2qpntl$7qn@bronze.lcs.mit.edu>,
OMEN <omen@bronze.lcs.mit.edu> wrote:
>mount: /dev/mcd is not a valid block device.
>
> Someone give me the bottom line: IS the mitsumi supported at my
>kernel level? If not, at a higher level?  What the hell am I 
>doing wrond?  I'd really like to be able to access the Linux Toolkit

Do you get a message at bootup saying that your Mitsumi is recognized?
If not so, look at /usr/src/linux/include/linux/mcd.h and enter the
correct values for I/O address and IRQ in lines 25 and 28.

Have a lot of fun...
                    hm
-- 
    Hubert Mantel, S.u.S.E. GmbH, Gebhardtstr. 2, 90762 Fuerth, Germany
    Tel: +49-911-74053-0,  Fax: +49-911-7417755,  Email: mantel@suse.de

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From: Mark Edgeworth <medgewor@lincoln.gpsemi.com>
Subject: Re: InfoMagic CDROM
Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 08:52:58 GMT

In article <CpMAGE.2Gp@cda.mrs.umn.edu> Kris C. Nelson,
nelsonkc@cda.mrs.umn.edu writes
about the fine service he has received from InfoMagic.

Being a UK resident, I was astounded to find a company which
could keep its
promises on delivery.  I received my Linux disks in a little
over a week from
the States, a mere three days after the promised shipping date.
 Considering
it took nearly two weeks to get SIMMS from a company barely
fifty miles
from where I live, InfoMagic should be applauded.

Keep it up :-)

Medge

=============================================================
===
Mark Edgeworth                Tel: (+44) 522 502406 (direct)
Principal Design Engineer          (+44) 522 500500
(switchboard)
GEC Plessey Semiconductors    Fax: (+44) 522 502393
Lincoln,LN6 3LF. England     Gnet: +595
=============================================================
===

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From: jbettis@cse.unl.edu (Jeremy Bettis)
Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Streets named after programming languages
Date: 12 May 1994 17:06:00 GMT

cms@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Colin Simpson) writes:
>Extending this conversation a bit further to streets named
>after any field of computing. 

>Is there in Silicon Valley a street called `Disk Drive' ? 

>Someone once told me this but it sounds bogus to me (But I'll
>be very happy to be proved wrong).

>In addition, is there a pub in silicon valley named after the atomic
>number of silicon.

There is a Disk Drive in Rapid City, South Dakota.  Rushmore Mall is located
at 100 Disk Drive.
--
Jeremy Bettis   -*-   Jerbo Jehoshaphat   -*-   University of Nebraska
INET:   jbettis@cse.unl.edu             "Those who stand in the middle of the
UUCP:   jerbo@tddi.UUCP                  road are often hit by passing cars."
Running Linux -- The Free Unix for i386/i486/Pentium machines. Ask me how.

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From: dfr@render.com (Doug Rabson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.misc,comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.os.unix.misc,comp.windows.x.misc
Subject: Re: OpenStep for $100
Date: 11 May 94 08:29:14

In article <hastyCpAwv2.IyM@netcom.com> hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) writes:
> In article <DFR.94May4113809@minnow.render.com> dfr@herring.demon.co.uk (Doug Rabson) writes:
> >In article <hastyCoqAtn.H37@netcom.com> hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) writes:
> >   In article <Coop38.27y@rex.uokhsc.edu> benjamin-goldsteen@uokhsc.edu writes:
> >
> >Performance rates for 3D graphics under FreeBSD using XFree86-2.0 on a
> >66DX2 local bus system are about 60,000 poly/sec.  For a P90 this
> >would be proportionately higher.
> >
> 
> Very, very curious about your product sounds fantastic!
> 
> Can you tell us a bit more about your product and how much 
> does it cost for FreeBSD ?
> 

Our product is a real time 3D rendering library with software
implementations reaching the quoted performance figures.  Hardware
accelerated implementations will be available for the new generation
of 3D accelerated graphics cards.

The product is called Reality Lab and is available now on MS-DOS,
Windows 3.1, Windows NT, Sparcs, SGI workstations and FreeBSD.  For
more details, email info@render.com.

> Also, I am curious as to what did you use for a graphic card?
> 

The graphics card used was a Tseng ET4000 VL bus..

> So I guess with a P90 and with  200k poly/sec is VR time for FreeBSD :)
> 
>       Amancio
--
Doug Rabson, RenderMorphics Ltd.        Mail:  dfr@render.com
                                        Phone: +44 71 266 5090
                                        FAX:   +44 71 266 1623

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
From: mw@spinfo.Uni-Koeln.DE (Markus Wischerath)
Subject: Re: COMMODORE CALLS IT QUITS
Reply-To: mw@spinfo.uni-koeln.de
Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 10:15:10 GMT


bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) writes:
> In article <1994May12.192514.12009@rosevax.rosemount.com>, grante@reddwarf.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards) says:
> +---------------
> | : 65C816, but that was an 8/16 bit microprocessor.  (The Apple IIGS
> | 
> | Yep, that's the one -- I mis-remembered the bus width.  Did the IIGS
> | even run the thing in 16 bit mode?
> +------------->8
> 
> If I remember correctly, one of the reaons the IIGS didn't take off was
> problems running 8-bit Apple II software.  I would suspect that means "yes".
> 
Huh? The GS runs 8-bit stuff just fine, except for a few old games. The 
65c816 can be switched into 6502 emulation mode. The reason that the GS
died was that Sculley rather wanted to sell Macintoys galore, and the GS
outperformed low-end Macs even though the standard GS CPU ran at a whopping 
2.8 MHz. The 16bit IIGS System resembles the one for the Mac, BTW.

Not that has anything to do with Linux, but... :) Any questions on the 
IIGS, drop me a line. 

--Markus               
mw@spinfo.uni-koeln.de            # rm -rf / and one was assaulted...peanut


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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: COMMODORE CALLS IT QUITS
From: boekhold@morra.et.tudelft.nl (Maarten Boekhold (Who'd you expect??))
Date: 11 May 94 10:59:15 +0200

Alexandra Griffin (acg@kzin.cen.ufl.edu) wrote:
> In article <2q3q5a$8ht@clarknet.clark.net>, Ken Bass <kbass@clark.net> wrote:
> >: I guess this means that the market for PCs will be focused around the
> >: Intel, MIPS, Sparc and powerPC series of chips.
> >
> >  As opposed to what- the C64, Vic20, or Amiga chip?

> The 64 & vic were 6502-based-- no danger of that architecture
> re-emerging, I hope, even though they did manage to take it up to 32
> bits at one point (68C832?).  The Amigas were MC68K machines.  Quite

The 68000 (A1000, A500, A2000) work internally with 32 bits. But it has 
only a 24 bits adress-bus and a 16 bit data-bus. same for 68010. Since 
teh 68020 the microprocessors were completely 32 bit. The thing you 
mention is prbably the 68332, which is a microcontroller (notice the 
_controller_). It incorporates extra interfaces (serial etc. timers 
internally...) 

> ahead of their time in 1985 (I had an A1000), when CGA was still
> considered high resolution, but it's a pity Commodore kind of let them
> die out...

> It would be interesting if HP purchased rights to the Commodore
> product line... PA-RISC based Amigas would be quite nice!

It would be nice out of speedconsiderations, but you would loose binary 
compatibility (thought they could do something like apple with their new 
powermac).

Ok, enough talkabout this. Oh, one more thing, i've heard that 'a 
japanese company' was most likely to take over the amiga line. The 
company probably being sony. I'm not sure I like that :-(

Maarten

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From: sml@mfltd.co.uk (Shaun Lowry)
Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers,alt.religion.kibology,alt.humor.puns
Subject: Re: Streets named after programming languages
Date: 13 May 1994 11:10:55 +0100

In article <2qtkmj$euj@darkstar.ucsc.edu>,
Van Horn <hotei@cats.ucsc.edu> wrote:
>
>In <CpoxMB.7BE@dcs.ed.ac.uk> cms@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Colin Simpson) writes:
>
>
>>Is there in Silicon Valley a street called `Disk Drive' ? 
>
>
>Disk Drive is in Scotts Valley CA.  about 20 or so miles sw of
>San Jose.  I think Scotts Valley is the main home of some
>corps like seagate and borland------

How much does a trip there on the local bus cost from Memory Lane?  Do foreign
nationals need a VESA?  Inquiring minds need to know.

        Shaun.
-- 
"I was in Camberwell when I invented it, and it looks like a carrot."

                -- "Danny" in Withnail & I


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