Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #102
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Date:     Fri, 13 May 94 00:13:12 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #102, Volume #2                Fri, 13 May 94 00:13:12 EDT

Contents:
  Re: database system for everyday use (John Ackermann)
  Re: X-Windows can't be setup (Mark P. Nelson)
  Re: Streets named after programming languages (was Re: IRIS frame grabber docs) (Alex Freed)
  Re: Novell is trying to Sell a derivative of Linux for a big (Joern Jensen)
  PPP through an IP connection (Alex Ramos)
  PCI-ATI-GUP and Burstmode on X-window (Michael Will)
  Re: Linux in PC Week again (May 9th issue) (Eric Jeschke)
  Machine dedicated to Web servers (adhir@betelgeuse.iagi.com)
  Re: How many days to receive InfoMagic ? (Thomas Pfau)
  Re: Who is Linux targetting? (Robert Ashcroft)
  Re: LILO and OS/2? (Colin Plumb)
  RE: Streets named after programming languages (was Re: IRIS frame grabber docs) (keng" /USER=IN%"keng@climax.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca)
  Re: COMMODORE CALLS IT QUITS (Grant Edwards)
  Re: Streets named after programming languages  (Mark A. Davis)

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: jra@lawdept.daytonOH.ncr.com (John Ackermann)
Subject: Re: database system for everyday use
Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 13:36:43 GMT

In article <1994May9.143332.13505@n5ial.mythical.com> jim@n5ial.mythical.com (Jim Graham) writes:

>So....  I'm thinking about writing the thing myself (actually, part of it
>is already written).  Before I do, I'd like to ask a few questions.  First,
>does such a beast exist for UNIX now?  If so, where is it?  (NOTE:  it
>needs to be small...that's another issue---I have very limited space here.)
>Second, what would people want from a simple, low-end database system?
>List anything that you can think of---I'm looking for ideas here.

I'd like to see something that's compatible with Xbase data and index files.  
It would make import/export a <lot> easier.  Actually, I used to use SCO's 
version of Foxbase on an NCR Tower Unix system, and it wasn't a bad 
environment for simple work, with the advantage of great documentation from 
all the dBase books out there.

John   AG9V
jra@lawdept.daytonOH.ncr.com

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From: mpn@alleleb.berkeley.edu (Mark P. Nelson)
Subject: Re: X-Windows can't be setup
Date: 10 May 1994 19:05:50 GMT
Reply-To: mpn@alleleb.berkeley.edu

M.C. Wai (R15892@PACCVM.corp.mot.com) wrote:
:   Recently, I successfully installed Slackware Linux 1.2.0 to my PC.
: However, I can't start up my X-windows when I tried 'xinit', 'startx',
: 'init', etc. The resultant messages said like no configuration file ...

:   BTW, sometime I run 'setup' in Linux to reconfigure the system, the
: system prompt that
: cp:virtual memory exhausted
: cat: virtual memory exhausted
: ...

It certainly sounds as if you are running out of memory when starting X.
There may be some other problem too, but you won't find it until you
increase your system's memory, virtual or otherwise.

If you don't have physical 8 MB of RAM, and can't afford to get it, you'll
need at least 4MB physical RAM and 8MB of swap.  If you already have a swap
partition, but need more, you can create a swapfile and use that in
addition.  Read the manpage on mkswap for details.

--
Mark P. Nelson (mpn@alleleb.berkeley.edu)

See, if we had bought a dog instead, like _I_ wanted,
we could go out like this all the time.


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Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers
From: freed@europa.mv.us.adobe.com (Alex Freed)
Subject: Re: Streets named after programming languages (was Re: IRIS frame grabber docs)
Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 17:50:09 GMT

In article <CpnJ5v.Kww@nutec.com> wilson@nutec.com (Wilson Roberto Afonso) writes:

   Newsgroups: alt.folklore.computers,comp.os.linux.misc
   From: wilson@nutec.com (Wilson Roberto Afonso)
   Organization: Nutec Corporation
   Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 18:53:54 GMT

   acbul1@penfold.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew Bulhak) writes:
   >Luuk Spreeuwers - UT (luuk@mi.el.utwente.nl) wrote:
   >: Inside Technology
   >: Fortranweg 7
   >  ^^^^^^^^^^
   >: 3821 BK  Amersfoort
   >: Netherlands
   >A street named after Fortran? How cool!
   >Does anybody know of any other streets named after programming languages?

   I can think of at least one called "C".  There must be dozens of those.

Last summer I was in Cannes (France) and lived on a street called "aout".
Now is that a BSD name or what? (a.out)
-- 
 _______________________________________________________
| -Alex Freed (The opinions expressed are my own.       |                   
|               However everyone is entitled to them.)  |                   
| freed@adobe.com                                       |
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From: jornj@colargol.edb.tih.no (Joern Jensen)
Subject: Re: Novell is trying to Sell a derivative of Linux for a big
Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 17:52:11 GMT

I removed the other newsgroups from this thread, it's a waste of
bandwidth.

Dominik Kubla (kubla@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE) wrote:
[..]
: It is most likely that they will improve the IPX part of the kernel and when
: they do this, the GPL requires that they make their changes available in source
: code!

Now this would be very nice. But do anyone know if this implies also if
Linux gets 'modular' drivers? That would mean that Novell didn't have to
change any source in the kernel to add IPX. Will a driver written as a
module be regarded as 'based on' the kernel-source? If there is such a
thing as a standard api for modules, can programming an application that
uses this api be said to be 'based on' the GPL-licensed code?

//jornj


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From: ramos@engr.latech.edu (Alex Ramos)
Subject: PPP through an IP connection
Date: 12 May 1994 17:50:49 GMT

Has anybody tried to run PPP through an IP connection?
Or maybe some other solution to the problem I describe below?

Here's the "problem":

* calsun.engr.latech.edu is a Sun 3/60. I do not have root access
  on this machine.

* crawfish.nil.org is Linux 1.0.8 _without a network card_, sitting 2 feet
  from calsun.engr.latech.edu, connected through serial port.

* orbit.cs.engr.latech.edu is Linux 1.0.8 and it's fully connected
  to the network, as is calsun.engr.latech.edu. It's located on another
  building.

* I would like to connect 'crawfish' to the network by running PPP
  on orbit.cs. Note that I do not have a direct serial connection.
  I can run TERM between crawfish and calsun, and redirect some IP
  ports. How would I go about running PPP through this virtual IP
  connection?

Any suggestions would be appreciated. 

--
Alex Ramos (ramos@engr.latech.edu) * This message is copyrighted material!
Louisiana Tech University BSEE/Sr  * All rights reserved. No warranty, etc

http://info.latech.edu/~ramos/

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From: zxmgv07@studserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Michael Will)
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix
Subject: PCI-ATI-GUP and Burstmode on X-window
Date: 10 May 94 18:42:08 GMT

I know that the S3-86C928P-videocards have problems with the saturn-chipset
revision-2-burst and are therefore to be avoided on PCI-Boards using it.
Some cards seem to have a workaround sending a "stop" at these bursts,
slowing down the whole thing.

Now I read that the ATI-GUP which I thought off as unproblematic has the
same problem with being slow due to the "stop" ?!

I read such in the german cs-magazine "c't 5/94", page 214, chapter
"ATI Mach32P". 

Is this the same as ATI-GUP?

Can someone confirm this? They recommend to disable bursts (and loose fast NCR-
scsi [which is not supported with linux at the moment anyway]) or live with it,
having a slowdown on video-access. 

I do not like the idea of shelling out 700,00 DM for a card which does not 
perform good enough in the end because of this "feature"...

...in that case I would rather buy a cheap Mirocrystal-8s which will be slow
and cheap instead of just slow. (And still dramaticaly faster than my current
ISA-et4000 I guess :-) )

Cheers, Michael Will 
PS: I plan to use the card with Linux/XFree86(tm)-2.1 running on an 
    ASUS-PCI-board with Saturn-chipset rev. 2...

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From: jeschke@cs.indiana.edu (Eric Jeschke)
Crossposted-To: cs.intel-unix
Subject: Re: Linux in PC Week again (May 9th issue)
Date: 12 May 94 19:02:07 GMT
Reply-To: jeschke@cs.indiana.edu

[Reposted from comp.os.linux.misc]

It seems that Linux is beginning to make weekly appearances in PC Week. 
Here's an article from the System Software section dated May 9th.

======================================================================
          Linux freeware poised to make commercial step

by Anne Knowles

  Novell Inc.'s possible use of Linux in a future desktop offering could 
give the Unixlike oprating system, which has spent the bulk of its 
existence as freeware on the Internet, the endorsement it needs to make a 
splash in the commercial world.
  So say users and distributors of Linux, the POSIX-compliant PC 
operating system that is available under a GNU Public License. Novell, of 
Provo, Utah, is reportedly using Linux to develop a graphical, 32-bit 
desktop operating system that can run DOS, Windows, NetWare, and Unix 
applications (PC Weeks, April 25, Page 1).
  The Novell stamp of approval will give marketing clout to an operating 
system that many users already see as a robust, industrial-strength 
environment well-suited for commercial applications.
  "Linux is far superior to any Unix out there," said Mark Horton, of 
Mark Horton Associates, a system-administration consulting firm in 
Decatur, Ga.
  "The installation is far superior to SCO [Unix] and it is more reliable 
than Solaris 2.3. It is a full-blown system that comes with development 
tools, TCP/IP networking, and X Windows," Horton added. "And you get it 
for nothing."
  Like many Linux users, Horton downloaded Linux from the Internet. 
Others but it through the four or five distributors in the United States 
that sell it, primarily on CD ROM, for $15 to $50.
  According to users and developers, Linux's other benefits include 
internals that are well-documented and under the GNU Public License, and 
source code that is always available--unlike Unix.
  "Everyone talks about Unix being more open but it really isn't," said 
Joel Goldberger, president of InfoMagic Inc., a Princeton, NJ., 
distributor of Linux. "Its source code isn't always available at a 
resonable cost. Linux is more attractive to commercial users who want 
some sense that people are going to respond to their needs.
  Horton agreed. "When was the last time you could talk to the person who 
developed the operationg system at SCO or Sun? I E-mail Linus and he 
responds."
  Linus is Linus Torvalds, the Finnish programmer who developed the Linux 
kernel. Over the past two years, Torvalds and dozens of volunteer 
programmers from around the world have added to Linux over the Internet. 
Its utilities come from the GNU project at the Free Software Foundation, 
in Cambridge, Mass., said Bob Young, editor of New Your Unix, a 
newsletter in New Your and former publisher of The Linux Journal, in 
Seattle. 
  Big fixes are also available via the Internet. "I know commercial 
customers want a vendor they can call," like Novell, said Horton. "I 
would personally rather post to the [Internet] and get 10 to 12 answers 
in 10 minutes." [An exaggeration IMO --Max Spivak]
  Linux runs on PCs based on either the ISA or EISA but and 386-or-higher 
processors. According to The Linux Journal, the average system comprises 
8M butes of RAM and 300M bytes to 1G byte of disk storage.
  Unix applications can be run on it, and an emulator for the running 
MS-DOS applications is available via a File Transfer Protocol site, as is 
all Linux software. Volunteer programmers are developing an interface to 
run Windows applications using the X Window System, which comes bundled 
with it. Novel's version reportedly runs Windows and NetWare applications 
as well, sources said.

==========================================================================

Seems like PC Week _really_ likes Linux, esp. since they use it internally.

Anyways--enjoy.
Max
-- 
**************************************************************************
Maxim Spivak                            |  #include <GoBears.h>
University of California, Berkeley      |  #include <StdDisclaimer.h>
maxims@ucsee.berkeley.edu               |  #include ".signature"

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From: adhir@betelgeuse.iagi.com
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.unixware,comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: Machine dedicated to Web servers
Date: 12 May 1994 22:05:29 GMT
Reply-To: adhir@bigdipper.umd.edu

Hello all - we will soon be setting up a Pentium server with some flavor of 
Unix in order to use mainly as a Web/Gopher server.  There will likely be 10
or 15 different homepages on the system with many connections at a time.  We
would like the ability to handle up to 100 simultaneous Web/Gopher accesses
at a time.  We have configured a Pentium 66mhz machine with 64mb ram and
2 gigs of disk for this purpose.

The question that remains is what flavor of Unix to run on it.  I am familiar
with Linux, Unixware and NeXTStep (for Intel).  I am leaning towards Unixware
since it is a 'commercial' Unix which would be potentially more stable than
a Linux box.  NeXTStep is rather expensive (compared to Linux and Unixware)
but I have found it to be extremely stable on my 486/66 machine.  I had a
2 week bout with unixware which I finally gave up on, although by the end of
it I did have a working system.  It was far from painless however.  The last
Linux version I used was kernel revision .99pl11 or so, which I ran on an
unnetworked box.  I am not familiar with how it handles multiple inbound
connections.

Can anyone out there in net.land offer suggestions/reasons for or against any
of the above Unix flavors in our intended configuration?  Any other Unixes
I should be considering?

Thanks...

  ---------------------------------------___---------------------------------
 | Al Dhir                              /___\  Internet Access Group, Inc    |
 | Internet: adhir@betelgeuse.iagi.com  (o o)  301-847-0228 Fax:301-847-0229 |
  -----------------------------------ooO-(_)-Ooo-----------------------------
-- 
  -------------------------------------___---------------------------------
 | Al Dhir, Programmer Analyst        /___\    UMCP Ag-Engineering Dept    |
 | Internet: adhir@bigdipper.umd.edu  (o o)    (301) 405-1197              |
  ---------------------------------ooO-(_)-Ooo-----------------------------

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From: pfau@cnj.digex.net (Thomas Pfau)
Subject: Re: How many days to receive InfoMagic ?
Date: 12 May 1994 15:17:33 -0400

Call InfoMagic at 1-800-800-6613 or, in NJ, 1-609-683-5501.

I have no relation to Infomagic except as a satisfied customer.
-- 
tom_p                           | I could get a new lease on life
internet:   pfau@cnj.digex.net  | if only I didn't need the first
compuserve: 73303,1136          | and last month in advance.

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From: rna@leland.Stanford.EDU (Robert Ashcroft)
Subject: Re: Who is Linux targetting?
Date: 12 May 1994 19:31:52 GMT

In article <2qt2cf$11a@mudraker.mtholyoke.edu>,
Thomas M Gorman <tgorman@mtholyoke.edu> wrote:
>It's more than just a few apps; being a programmer, I love the fact
>that I can FTP the source to an interesting sounding Linux app
>on the net and change it if it doesn't suit my needs. But, I'm
>only recently in the UN*X world and I'm finding that a handicap
>access is very much in need. It helped me a lot to start with a
>CD distribution of Linux (LGX) that guided me through at least
>getting the new OS up to where I could log in. After that, I
>had to dig around for days to find FAQs and HOWTOs just to learn
>how to print and to get my modem to say "OK". It was two months
>before I came accross Ghostscript and realized I could print
>the Postscript DOCs on my 24pin Panasonic. And after many many
>hours of time I STILL can't get Xfree86 to work at better than
>640x480 (a useless resolution) on my monitor/adapter. In the
>DOS/Windows world, it was an afternoon of my time to switch
>video adapters and it worked for resolutions up to 1024x786.
>To print, you just pick "Print" from the File menu in any
>Windows app. 
>
>Maybe Linux (UN*X) is JUST for programmers, but who are the 
>programmers going to sell their programs to if they actually
>want to live off their skills? I'm the kind of person who doesn't
>stop until I figure something out. I enjoy the process as
>much as the results. But if there isn't a Quick-Start package
>for Linux (posibly with a spreadsheet, word processor, and 
>communications program) to get newbies up and running faster
>Linux will never get past the "just for programmers" stage.

I'm not a programmer (in the hacker sense... I just do meatball numerical
analysis) and I had Slackware up an running no problem.  I had the
advantage of a friend who had done it before, but I have since reloaded
Slackware numerous times by myself (hardware problems unrelated to Linux).

I have 1280x1024 X-windows on a Mach32 card.  No problem.

And I've successfully tinkered with the Xconfig files and if I had to
I'm pretty sure I could setup the modes and clocks by myself (oooh,
pride goeth before a fall... ;-)

RNA

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From: colin@nyx10.cs.du.edu (Colin Plumb)
Subject: Re: LILO and OS/2?
Date: 10 May 1994 00:32:32 -0600

In article <Cp8oKF.339@avalon.chinalake.navy.mil>,
Tri Tran <tran@f18sun5.nwc.navy.mil> wrote:
>I'm about to dive into the Linux world and am wondering about LILO and
>my OS/2 boot manager.  I know it can be done and they're compatible.
>However, how exactly do you do it?  Does LILO replace boot manager?
>Will the Slackware (1.2.0.3) install routine recognize my Boot manager
>and replace it LILO automatically?  Sorry if this is a faq or in one of
>the Howto doc.  I just can't seem to find the indept info that I
>needed.  Thanks.

I've run OS/2 from LILO directly with no problems.  Just forget the
whole boot manager thing.

Basically, LILO can boot another partition's boot sector, and it is
itself a boot sector, so you can boot it from itself, or a similar
product (like boot manger), or it can boot another OS.

(LILO can also boot a Linux kernel, of course.)
-- 
        -Colin

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Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers
From: gehring@biotek.arc.ab.ca (keng" /USER=IN%"keng@climax.ersys.edmonton.ab.ca)
Subject: RE: Streets named after programming languages (was Re: IRIS frame grabber docs)
Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 14:15:53 GMT


Here in Edmonton we have an Ada Blvd.

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
From: grante@reddwarf.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: COMMODORE CALLS IT QUITS
Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 19:25:14 GMT

Brandon S. Allbery (bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org) wrote:
: grante@reddwarf.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards) says:
: +---------------
: | Nope, there was a dual-mode 8/32 bit wide 6502 compatible cpu (I don't
: | remember the number, but 68C832 doesn't sound quite right).  
: +------------->8

: 65C816, but that was an 8/16 bit microprocessor.  (The Apple IIGS
: used it; I don't think any other "major manufacturer" machines did.)
: I don't think there was a 32-bit version.

Yep, that's the one -- I mis-remembered the bus width.  Did the IIGS
even run the thing in 16 bit mode?

--
Grant Edwards                                 |Yow!  I need to discuss
Rosemount Inc.                                |BUY-BACK PROVISIONS with at
                                              |least six studio
grante@rosemount.com                          |SLEAZEBALLS!!

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Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers
From: mark@taylor.wyvern.com (Mark A. Davis)
Subject: Re: Streets named after programming languages 
Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 15:08:46 GMT

cms@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Colin Simpson) writes:

Hey.... I just saw this posting.  Guess where I live?  1180 Pascal Place!
Neat, no?
-- 
  /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\
  | Mark A. Davis    | Lake Taylor Hospital | Norfolk, VA (804)-461-5001x431 |
  | Sys.Administrator|  Computer Services   | mark@taylor.wyvern.com   .uucp |
  \--------------------------------------------------------------------------/

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