Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #101
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Linux-Misc Digest #101, Volume #2                Thu, 12 May 94 21:14:01 EDT

Contents:
  Which version should I use (George k Frimpong)
  Mosaic for Linux (rah@bwco.com)
  Re: Disk mirroring (Thanh Ma)
  Re: HELP: DMA conflict woes (Please read if you may know anything about them) (Don Becker)
  Re: Change default window manager to 'olvm' (Russell Marks)
  Re: "Linux" trademark (was Re: Shameless commercial announcement on C) (Ken Firestone)
  Re: PLEASE HELP (Can't receive mail on my Linux box) (Edwin Fong)
  Re: Streets named after programming languages  (Colin Simpson)
  Re: Streets named after programming languages (Van Horn)
  Re: Streets named after programming languages (was Re: IRIS frame grabber docs) (Rene COUGNENC)
  Re: Linux in PC Week again (May 9th issue) (James LewisMoss)
  Re: Auto file name completion with "ESC" key? (Rene COUGNENC)
  Kerberized utilities needed (Gene McManus)
  Re: Linux and IDE drive = 1GByte (Arlie Davis)
  Re: Is this a bug with gnu-grep-2.0 or with linux? (Torben Fjerdingstad)
  RawWrite(Copy) (jkw7063@ritvax.isc.rit.edu)
  Re: How many days to receive InfoMagic ? (John Lellis)
  Re: Streets named after programming languages (John Schulien)
  Re: PLEASE HELP (Can't receive mail on my Linux box) (Mike Hollyman)

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From: twfg@unity.ncsu.edu (George k Frimpong)
Subject: Which version should I use
Date: 12 May 1994 13:15:35 GMT

I finally gave up on JANA and went for InfoMagic (should arrive today 
or tomorrow).  Being a Linux (but not Unix) newbie, I was wondering which 
version I should install when the CD's get here?  From what I understand, 
I'll have SLS and Slackware, and ...  Any opinions?  I am running on a 
Gateway 486DX2/50 with about 110Mb of disk set aside for Linux (could be 
more if _abs_ necessary) and 20Mb RAM.  

Any help would be great.

Thanks!
Jeff Kiel


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From: rah@bwco.com
Subject: Mosaic for Linux
Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 22:40:08 GMT


Can anyone point me to an FTP site for either the source or
binaries for Mosaic that will run with Linux?

rah@bwco.com


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From: tma@encore.com (Thanh Ma)
Subject: Re: Disk mirroring
Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 12:59:19 GMT

iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox) writes:

>In article <2q55hb$8iu@tinny.apana.org.au> ernie@tinny.apana.org.au (Ernie Elu) writes:
>>
>>I am wondering if there is a disk mirroring system that will work with
>>Linux? Perhaps by using a drive controller that will do automatic mirroring,
>>or some sort of external drive assembly that will do it for you.
>>Any other suggestions would be appreciated.
>>
>Not currently. If you wanted to write one then a sort of do it yourself
>receipe would be create two partitions the same size. Put the file system
>on one and cp it onto the other (yes you can cp /dev/hda1 /dev/hda2 !)
>Download and install the loopfs stuff. Alter loopfs so you can attach two
>things to the loopfs. write admin tools, tune to taste.

>I alas don't have time to write everything around here 8-)

I personally emailed to the original poster (he did not even say 'thanks')
that there is a IDE controller that does the mirroring for you, transparently.
So if anyone is interested, let me know and I will dig out that number again.
Note that I never use it.

Thanks,
-- 
--
Thanh Ma
tma@encore.com

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From: becker@cesdis (Don Becker)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: HELP: DMA conflict woes (Please read if you may know anything about them)
Date: 12 May 1994 10:52:34 -0400

In article <2qdsjcINNpct@dns1.nmsu.edu>,
Jeffrey T. Noll <jnoll@opus.nmsu.edu> wrote:
>       Hi all, I'm still being plagued with a DMA conflict that ends up
>crashing my machine about every day. HEres a recap of the error:
>eth0: DMAing conflict in ne_block_output.[DMAstat:fffffffe][irqlock:fffffff]


Ohhh, bad.  This "can't" happen when everything is working correctly.

The "DMA" that this message is referring to is the DMA controller
internal to the NE2000.  It has nothing to do with the motherboard DMA
channels.  (A few NE1000 clones do allow the two DMA systems to be
connected, but DMA results in *slower* system operation when
transferring typical ethernet traffic.)

What is likely happening is an interrupt conflict or a noisy interrupt
line, causing the device driver to start another packet transfer when
it thinks that it has locked out interrupt from the card.  The driver
does a sanity check to verify that two transfers aren't happening at
once, since this will likely hang the machine.

A remote possibility is that you are running an old kernel, or mixing
versions of 8390.c and ne.c. 

>This is what i currently have on my system.
>    Linux v1.1.0   (I've tried alot of others with same problem)

OK, that rules out the latter possibility.

>Now, I wasnt paying alot of attention to it, but i believe that the
>crashes seem to coincide with the addition of the 2nd hardrive. Is this
>possible?  The disk controller is on the board, not a seperate card (yuck)

Hmmm, adding a card often results in IRQ conflicts and occasionally
results in electrical noise problems.  Try swapping card in their
slots or changing the interrupt line.  (Note: upper IRQs are often
quieter than lower ones!  Try IRQ11 or IRQ15.)

-- 
Donald Becker                            becker@cesdis1.gsfc.nasa.gov
USRA Center of Excellence in Space Data and Information Sciences.
Code 930.5,  Goddard Space Flight Center,  Greenbelt, MD.  20771

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From: rm1ajy2@greenwich.ac.uk (Russell Marks)
Subject: Re: Change default window manager to 'olvm'
Date: 12 May 1994 15:32:44 -0400
Reply-To: rm1ajy2@greenwich.ac.uk (Russell Marks)

| Try putting the `olvm' command in your .xinitrc file.
[...]
| xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults
| xli -onroot /usr/local/pics/julia.gif
| xclock -bg tan  -digital -geometry +135+88 &
| xload -geometry +0+180 &
| xterm -bg snow3 -fg black -sb -sl 500 -T SuperUser -geometry 90x30+130+130 &
| xhost +
| fvwm

Change this to exec fvwm to save a little bit of memory. It would've been
swapped out anyway (the shell running .xinitrc) but it's nicer to use exec
for the last command, I reckon.

| 
| Note that I use fvwm :-) (you probably have more than my 8M of RAM)

I have 4M. I personally would not touch olvm with *somebody else's* barge
pole. :)

| -- 
| ========================================================================
| |Christopher Smith           | With a rubber duck, one's never alone.  |
| |aka z1g192@ugrad.cs.ubc.ca  |-- "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"|
| ========================================================================

Cheers,
-Rus.

-- 
/ russell marks ::: rm1ajy2@gre.ac.uk ::: speak softly and carry a +6 kitten \
| GCS -d+ -p+ c++++ l++ u++ e+(*) m+@ s+/++ n--(---) h+(*) f+ !g w+ t+ r- y? |
\ ::: "His world is under anaesthetic - subdivided and synthetic" - Rush ::: /

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From: kenf@clark.net (Ken Firestone)
Subject: Re: "Linux" trademark (was Re: Shameless commercial announcement on C)
Date: 10 May 1994 13:39:03 GMT

Kelly Murray (kem@prl.ufl.edu) wrote:
: I'm no lawyer, but to claim a trademark, you must at least indicate you
: are claiming it is yours, use it with a [tm], and also defend it against others
: who use it.  None of this has occured, and with many firms using the name, 
: it leads me to conclude it is in the public domain.
This may or may not be true, but you may not want to piss off your
customer base by "misusing" it in there eyes.

--

============================================================================
Ken Firestone, N3JBU     | If you look at things right, its best not to know 
kenf@clark.net           | who you really are. Because anything that happens 
                         | to anybody who doesn't know who he really is 
                         | actually happens to somebody else. So it makes no 
                         | difference at all. -- Nelson Algren.  
============================================================================

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions,comp.os.linux.help
From: hffong@cs.cuhk.hk (Edwin Fong)
Subject: Re: PLEASE HELP (Can't receive mail on my Linux box)
Date: Wed, 11 May 1994 15:16:13 GMT

V.S.Carpenter (CARPENTERV@vmsa.csd.mu.edu) wrote:

> I can telnet (to & from), ftp (to & from) and send mail to anyone, but I
> cannot receive mail.  I can send mail to remote hosts and when I telnet to

  Exactly what I had before I properly configured my /usr/lib/smail/config.
So, what is your world-known hostname (the hostname you use when you
telnet/ftp to you Linux box from elsewhere)? Add it to the line

more_hostnames=hostname1:hostname2:....

Hope this helps,
Edwin Fong.
hffong@cs.cuhk.hk

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Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers
From: cms@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Colin Simpson)
Subject: Re: Streets named after programming languages 
Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 13:03:46 GMT

Extending this conversation a bit further to streets named
after any field of computing. 

Is there in Silicon Valley a street called `Disk Drive' ? 

Someone once told me this but it sounds bogus to me (But I'll
be very happy to be proved wrong).

In addition, is there a pub in silicon valley named after the atomic
number of silicon.

--
Colin Simpson - cms@dcs.ed.ac.uk



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From: hotei@cats.ucsc.edu (Van Horn)
Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Streets named after programming languages
Date: 12 May 1994 16:15:15 GMT


In <CpoxMB.7BE@dcs.ed.ac.uk> cms@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Colin Simpson) writes:


>Is there in Silicon Valley a street called `Disk Drive' ? 


Disk Drive is in Scotts Valley CA.  about 20 or so miles sw of
San Jose.  I think Scotts Valley is the main home of some
corps like seagate and borland------
======
Bob Van Horn                    hotei@cats.ucsc.edu
=======


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From: rene@renux.frmug.fr.net (Rene COUGNENC)
Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Streets named after programming languages (was Re: IRIS frame grabber docs)
Date: 12 May 1994 11:21:33 GMT
Reply-To: cougnenc@hsc.fr.net (Rene COUGNENC)

Ce brave Victor Eijkhout ecrit:

> acbul1@penfold.cc.monash.edu.au (Andrew Bulhak) writes:
>    Does anybody know of any other streets named after programming languages?

> I'm sure you can find streets named after Pascal in France....
> Rue Pascal? Sounds entirely plausible to me.

Yes of course, there is one in Paris; and probably in many other towns as
well. I'll verify one day, but may be  "Rue Blaise Pascal" is specified...

--
 linux linux linux linux -[ cougnenc@renux.frmug.fr.net ]- linux linux linux 

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From: moss@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu (James LewisMoss)
Subject: Re: Linux in PC Week again (May 9th issue)
Date: 11 May 1994 15:14:43 -0400

newcombe@aa.csc.peachnet.edu (Dan Newcombe) writes:

>In article <2qqvn0$krr@agate.berkeley.edu> maxims@ucsee.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (Maxim Spivak) writes:
>>  Unix applications can be run on it, and an emulator for the running 
>>MS-DOS applications is available via a File Transfer Protocol site, as is 
>>all Linux software. Volunteer programmers are developing an interface to 
>  ^^^

>Great...now where someone tell me where I can ftp the 1.2.3 version of Motif 
>for Linux.  :)  (oh well, only if you could believe what you read)

>       -Dan

RUMOR...
I heard a rumor that OSF might be releasing Motif to the public in about
a year.  (ie GPL or something similar)  Has anyone heard anything
similar.  I just thought I'd ask to see if anyone else out there had
heard the same rumor.

jim


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From: rene@renux.frmug.fr.net (Rene COUGNENC)
Subject: Re: Auto file name completion with "ESC" key?
Date: 12 May 1994 11:25:13 GMT
Reply-To: cougnenc@hsc.fr.net (Rene COUGNENC)

Ce brave Tri Tran ecrit:

> Could someone tell me why I can't complete the file name that
> I want to type by hitting the "ESC" under linux?  Is there a 
> special program/setup that I need to enable/run.  Sorry if this
> is a trivial faq question.

With bash or tcsh, use the "tab" key.

--
 linux linux linux linux -[ cougnenc@renux.frmug.fr.net ]- linux linux linux 

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From: gmcmanus@oti.disa.mil (Gene McManus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Kerberized utilities needed
Date: 12 May 1994 13:57:34 GMT

Has anyone ported the following Kerberos and kerberized utilities to Linux?:

    ksu
    rsh
    rlogin
    kpop

Thanks...

Gene

gmcmanus@oti.disa.mil

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From: arlie@thepoint.com (Arlie Davis)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Linux and IDE drive = 1GByte
Date: 12 May 1994 09:07:56 -0400

>:Matthew Dillon (dillon@apollo.west.oic.com) wrote:
>:Whiler I confess that I am not terribly familiar with the inner workings of
>:IDE drives (or scsi for that matter), I own a ~1gig IDE drive from
>:Micropolis (the model number escapes me), and it has worked beautifully for
>:about half a year, especially under Linux.  Quite fast, too.  The only
>:problem I've had was with DOS not recognizing hard drives bigger than
>:500megs.  I have to use a disk manager. 

I'm also running a 1G IDE drive on one machine, and it works fine.
One reccomendation, though: Make one partition that is less than 500M,
and put your boot kernel image on it.  LILO will otherwise complain about
a bogus geometry if any part of the kernel is above the DOS/BIOS limited
number of cylinders.

Drive worked without a single problem under Linux.

-- 
-- Arlie Davis
-- System administrator
-- <arlie@thepoint.com>

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From: tfj@olivia.ping.dk (Torben Fjerdingstad)
Subject: Re: Is this a bug with gnu-grep-2.0 or with linux?
Date: 12 May 1994 14:07:23 +0200
Reply-To: tfj@olivia.ping.dk

wirzeniu@cc.Helsinki.FI (Lars Wirzenius) writes:

>tfj@olivia.hillkomm.dk writes:
>> Why won't this work i a sane way?
>> Please don't tell me about work-arounds.
>> A kernel patch or a patch to gnu-grep is what is what I am
>> looking for.

>It does work in a sane way.  `*/*' is shorthand notation for `all files
>in all subdirectories of the current work directory'.  That includes
>subdirectories and binary files.

Grep is supposed to print lines matching a pattern. Since lines only
occur in textfiles, it does not make sense to grep inside a binary
file, as it has no lines.

It is very complex to create a command line which exactly
feeds text-only files to grep.

>On Linux and some other modern Unix systems, it is an error to
>try to read a directory as if it were a file.  Other versions of
>grep might not complain about this, but GNU grep does.  I think this
>is a good thing, since it is very rarely a good idea for programs
>to suppress error messages (makes it awfully hard to find what the
>problem is, sometimes).

This could be an option.

>All versions of grep that I know of will happily search for the
>required string also in binary files.  If they happen to find it,
>they will print whatever they think is the current line.

I can't imagine any case where that behaviour is useful.

Also, if grep hits a named pipe, it hangs.
That happened when I was searching for files in my inn directory,
which had to do with nntp. There's a named pipe called control.

>GNU grep does the same thing.
>In order for things to work like you want them
>to work, grep would have to guess whether a file is a binary file
>(not so easy to do reliably) and ignore such files.  However, that
>makes the behaviour more complicated for the user: if grep doesn't
>report anything, it might be because the file doesn't contain the
>searched string, or it might be because it thinks the file is a
>binary file.

I do not agree on the more complicated for the user sentence.
It is very complicated to the user to feed grep with exactly text
files, while it would be rather easy for grep to do it itself.

In that case the hardest possible job of the user would be to
apply an --read-any-file option.

I think text files can be found pretty close. Text has lines in it,
and I don't think some isprint() would slow things much.

>So as not to get lots of error messages for directories and lots of
>garbage from binary files, you could use the find command:

>       find . -type f ! -name '*.o' -print | xargs grep something

It is much more complicated to to things right. The searched
directory may have already-build executables, gif icons or other
unknown-named binary files. Find must also have at least a
-maxdepth 2 flag to "simulate" my */* argument.

>(The script could of course be modified so that it would use the
>current directory by default, but use the directories named on the
>command line if there were any.  More exercises for the reader.)

All right. Here is my contribution, a grep-wrapper-script, which 
does what I want in most situations, I think. (I just made it).
It's too simple, to take options, and it trusts that the file
command writes the word text as $3 or $4, after the filename.
It fails with filenames with ':'s in it.

grep "$1" `shift;file $*|awk '$3 ~ /text/||$4 ~ /text/ {print $1}'|tr -d :`

Sample usage: grep-wrapper chrdev */*

Thanks for helping.
I think I have to hack gnugrep [ Sigh! ].

-- 
torben fjerdingstad                     | linux-1.1.12     (God's Own OS).
tfj@olivia.ping.dk  /  (234/85@fidonet) |   And it's FREE!

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From: jkw7063@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Subject: RawWrite(Copy)
Reply-To: jkw7063@ritvax.isc.rit.edu
Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 15:04:57 GMT

Hello

      I know the first 2 files must be RawWritten (is there such a word?) to
floppies.  I'm just wondering, is there a way for me to make the file on my
Hard Drive?  If I have a disk, can I RawWrite it to one file on my Hard
Drive?  Then, to restore in I know I have to RawWrite it back to the floppy.
I got Linux working, so I'm able to RawWrite it to floppies.  Does RawWrite
allow users to do it the other way around or is there another file I need?
Thanks, and E-mail is much prefered, since I do not check this news group
too often.
                                                Jason
                                                JKW7063@ritvax.isc.rit.edu

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From: lellis@igate.com (John Lellis)
Subject: Re: How many days to receive InfoMagic ?
Date: 12 May 1994 17:01:21 GMT

At the risk of being flamed,

<Nomex on>

Where does one order these InfoMagic CDs?

An address or phone number would be greatly appreciated.

<Nomex off>

Sounds like a good way to join the fun!  :-)

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Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 12:32:50 CDT
From: John Schulien <U21187@uicvm.uic.edu>
Crossposted-To: alt.folklore.computers
Subject: Re: Streets named after programming languages

Well, I live a few blocks from Ada street, here in Chicago


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From: mikeh@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Mike Hollyman )
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: PLEASE HELP (Can't receive mail on my Linux box)
Date: 12 May 1994 17:32:57 GMT

hffong@cs.cuhk.hk (Edwin Fong) writes:

>V.S.Carpenter (CARPENTERV@vmsa.csd.mu.edu) wrote:

>> I can telnet (to & from), ftp (to & from) and send mail to anyone, but I
>> cannot receive mail.  I can send mail to remote hosts and when I telnet to

To the original poster:

Are you using slip?  Here, our slip accounts can send but not receive mail
to slip accounts, helps avoid camping out on lines!

Mike Hollyman

-- 
/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*/*Mike Hollyman - mikeh@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu
"Behind every successful man is a woman who didn't marry me."
                                                -Al Bundy

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