Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #100
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Date:     Thu, 12 May 94 11:13:23 EDT

Linux-Misc Digest #100, Volume #2                Thu, 12 May 94 11:13:23 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Change default window manager to 'olvm' (Christopher Andrew Smith)
  Re: What Does Linus Look Like? (John Paul Morrison)
  *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07) (Ian Jackson)
  from field in smail (Shim Phyau Min)
  Re: MITSUMI - final word (Ron Smits)
  Accessing a Linux partition from MS-DOS (Matthias Tymrakiewicz)
  Re: Sony CDU 33-a With Linux? (Michael James Porter)
  Different dist.'s [Q] (Gerrit Cap)
  Re: Who is Linux targetting? (Thomas M Gorman)
  Re: UUCP Packet Size (Rob Janssen)
  Re: Linux & DOS ?  (Rob Janssen)
  Re: What Does Linus Look Like? (Phil Hughes)
  Hercules Xconfig (Alan Robert Clark)
  Re: "Linux" trademark (was Re: Shameless commercial announcement on C) (Kelly Murray)
  Re: Linux on a Mac 610 Dos compatible (Gary J LaPointe)
  Re: COMMODORE CALLS IT QUITS (Charles Rutledge)
  Re: linux 1.1.12 and gcc 2.4.5? (Craig Sanders)

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From: z1g192@rick.cs.ubc.ca (Christopher Andrew Smith)
Subject: Re: Change default window manager to 'olvm'
Date: 12 May 1994 00:38:35 -0700

In article <2qq83p$a8j@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>,
M.C. Wai <R15892@PACCVM.corp.mot.com> wrote:
>  Is it possible to change 'fvwm' window manager which is default one
>when I execute 'startx' in command line to 'olwm' (OpenLook window
>manager)?
>  I already tried to execute 'olvm' in command line but it doesn't
>work. What's wrong? Please Help! Thanks!
>

Try putting the `olvm' command in your .xinitrc file.

If you don't have one already, make a file called .xinitrc in your
home directory. Everytime you `startx' this file is sourced. Mine follows
as an example:

xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults
xli -onroot /usr/local/pics/julia.gif
xclock -bg tan  -digital -geometry +135+88 &
xload -geometry +0+180 &
xterm -bg snow3 -fg black -sb -sl 500 -T SuperUser -geometry 90x30+130+130 &
xhost +
fvwm

Note that I use fvwm :-) (you probably have more than my 8M of RAM)

Hope this helps,


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From: jmorriso@bogomips.ee.ubc.ca (John Paul Morrison)
Subject: Re: What Does Linus Look Like?
Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 07:17:07 GMT

In article <1994May11.131750.15063@uk.ac.swan.pyr>,
Alan Cox <iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr> wrote:
>In article <1994May10.194640.29983@midway.uchicago.edu> chan@alfrothul.uchicago.edu (Go-Captain Suzdal) writes:
>>But for those of us who haven't the resources to attend
>>European conferences, can some describe what Mr. T. looks
>>like?
>There are three (very funny) GIF's of Linux floating around the net.
                                       ^^^^^
one of these days, maybe he will legally change his name to Linux Torvalds....

>If I get the chance I'll do some more in Heidelberg. Maybe someone
>could a developer collect the set 8-)

Linus trading cards! Look for the rookie card, world series etc.

>>
>>PCWeek has mentioned Linux four issues in a row now. SOmeone at
>>that mag is very keen about this OS.
>>
>Alan
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From: ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ian Jackson)
Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07)
Date: 12 May 1994 04:04:17 -0600

Please do not post questions to comp.os.linux.misc - read on for details of
which groups you should read and post to.

Please do not crosspost anything between different groups of the comp.os.linux
hierarchy.  See Matt Welsh's introduction to the hierarchy, posted weekly.

If you have a question about Linux you should get and read the Linux Frequently
Asked Questions with Answers list from sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/docs, or
from another Linux FTP site.  It is also posted periodically to c.o.l.announce.

In particular, read the question `You still haven't answered my question!'
The FAQ will refer you to the Linux HOWTOs (more detailed descriptions of
particular topics) found in the HOWTO directory in the same place.

Then you should consider posting to comp.os.linux.help - not
comp.os.linux.misc.

Note that X Windows related questions should go to comp.windows.x.i386unix, and
that non-Linux-specific Unix questions should go to comp.unix.questions.
Please read the FAQs for these groups before posting - look on rtfm.mit.edu in
/pub/usenet/news.answers/Intel-Unix-X-faq and .../unix-faq.

Only if you have a posting that is not more appropriate for one of the other
Linux groups - ie it is not a question, not about the future development of
Linux, not an announcement or bug report and not about system administration -
should you post to comp.os.linux.misc.


Comments on this posting are welcomed - please email me !
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From: med70047@solar.cc.nus.sg (Shim Phyau Min)
Subject: from field in smail
Date: 12 May 1994 09:55:13 GMT


Hello, I'm having problems setting up smail. Please e-mail to me if you 
can help.
When I set the visible_domain=shim@csah.com , the resulting messages 
become ivan@shim@csah.com . How do I get the first @ to be a % .
Thanks.


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From: ron@draconia.hacktic.nl (Ron Smits)
Subject: Re: MITSUMI - final word
Date: 11 May 1994 20:40:48 GMT

OMEN (omen@bronze.lcs.mit.edu) wrote:
:   I've seen something like 5 threads in *.admin, *.help, and *.misc
: about setting up the mitsumi double speed cdrom drive with linux.
: This is what the final word was:

: mknod /dev/mcd b 23 0

: followed by something like 

: mount -t iso9660 -oconv=binary,umask=077,uid=405,gid=1 /dev/mcd /cdrom

: I've recompiled the kernel (.99pl13) with the mitsumi support, 
: yet that second command always results in

: mount: /dev/mcd is not a valid block device.

:  Someone give me the bottom line: IS the mitsumi supported at my
: kernel level? If not, at a higher level?  What the hell am I 
: doing wrond?  I'd really like to be able to access the Linux Toolkit
: CD which just arrived.... :-) Thanks a lot...

: Damian

: --
: Damian R. Kanarek                      |"I am an insomniac-agnostic-egotist:
: Computer & Information Science (9T4)   | I lie awake nights trying to figure
: University of Toronto (9T2 CS/MAT/PHY) | out whether or not I believe that I'm
: preferred email -> omen@io.org         | as great as I am." - Frank   


--

I just checked the config.in in the top directory of the kernel dirtree:
bool 'Mitsumi CDROM driver support' CONFIG_MCD n

So it's there in v1.1.11


                Ron Smits
                ron@draconia.hacktic.nl
                Ron.Smits@Netherlands.NCR.COM

/*-( My opinions are my opinions, My boss's opinions are his opinions )-*/
/*-(                They might not be the same                        )-*/

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From: matt@cip.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de (Matthias Tymrakiewicz)
Subject: Accessing a Linux partition from MS-DOS
Date: 10 May 1994 08:38:57 GMT


Does anyone know a MS-DOS program or driver to access a linux partition
directly? It would be enough if it could read the linux partion at least.
There are much linux stuff such as c++-libraries of the GNU-Compiler
that could be also used by DOS compilers for example.
I would appreciate any suggestions, programming tips and hints
or sources where to find an executable program or driver to
solve this problem.

My second question is:
is it possible to simulate hard or symbolic links in MS-DOS?
Have anyone an idea about programming such thing or where I can
find a driver?

Thanks for any suggestions...
========
Matthias
[no sig]

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From: mike@strauss.udel.edu (Michael James Porter)
Subject: Re: Sony CDU 33-a With Linux?
Date: 11 May 1994 14:59:36 -0400

In article <ssinger.29.2DCEE978@hookup.net>,
Steven Singer <ssinger@hookup.net> wrote:
>Has anyone gotten the Sony CDU 33-a to work with Linux? Is there a driver 
>available or does the driver for the CDU 31 work for the 33 also?

The 31a driver works with a 33a, but drives it in single speed
mode.  Works well enough for software installs.  Several people,
myself included, have expressed interest in writing a 33a driver,
but we're waiting for classes to end.

Mike

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From: gerrit@vtm.be (Gerrit Cap)
Subject: Different dist.'s [Q]
Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 10:49:51 GMT

Hi there,

I've got a small question concerning different distributions on several
locations (e.g. the Linux CDrom from InfoMagic)

What's the real difference between these distributions ?


Gerrit.
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From: tgorman@mtholyoke.edu (Thomas M Gorman)
Subject: Re: Who is Linux targetting?
Date: 12 May 1994 11:02:39 GMT

Helgi Borg Johannsson (hbjo90@control.auc.dk) wrote:
> I use Linux as a program development platform and I might add that I am
> very happy with it. In my opinion this is exactly the use of Linux which
> suits it best at present time.

> Much work is being done to make Linux better suited for the average 
> Dos/Windows user -- but....

> As far as I know, the must popular Windows programs are Word and Excel.
> These are exactly the programs that the average Dos/Windows user needs.
> If Linux is to win the OS war, a good word processer and a good spreadsheat
> must be available for Linux. 


> //Helgi

It's more than just a few apps; being a programmer, I love the fact
that I can FTP the source to an interesting sounding Linux app
on the net and change it if it doesn't suit my needs. But, I'm
only recently in the UN*X world and I'm finding that a handicap
access is very much in need. It helped me a lot to start with a
CD distribution of Linux (LGX) that guided me through at least
getting the new OS up to where I could log in. After that, I
had to dig around for days to find FAQs and HOWTOs just to learn
how to print and to get my modem to say "OK". It was two months
before I came accross Ghostscript and realized I could print
the Postscript DOCs on my 24pin Panasonic. And after many many
hours of time I STILL can't get Xfree86 to work at better than
640x480 (a useless resolution) on my monitor/adapter. In the
DOS/Windows world, it was an afternoon of my time to switch
video adapters and it worked for resolutions up to 1024x786.
To print, you just pick "Print" from the File menu in any
Windows app. 

Maybe Linux (UN*X) is JUST for programmers, but who are the 
programmers going to sell their programs to if they actually
want to live off their skills? I'm the kind of person who doesn't
stop until I figure something out. I enjoy the process as
much as the results. But if there isn't a Quick-Start package
for Linux (posibly with a spreadsheet, word processor, and 
communications program) to get newbies up and running faster
Linux will never get past the "just for programmers" stage.

-Tom


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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: UUCP Packet Size
Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 10:21:47 GMT
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl

In <1994May8.205052.10899@tlc.alcm.org> rwyble@tlc.alcm.org (Richard J. Wyble) writes:

>In article <1994May3.004526.650@compiler.tdcnet.nl> jvoosten@compiler.tdcnet.nl (J.S. van Oosten) writes:
>>Mark Morley (morley@suncad.camosun.bc.ca) wrote:
>>: Oystein Homelien (oystein@powertech.no) wrote:
>>: : I am using an old SLS dist which came with UUCP installed in /usr/lib.  Just
>>: : wondering how I would set up the packet size (default 64) to 1024.  If you

>>: I also need this info.  I was told that the UUCP I am running is Taylor,
>>: set when I create the Taylor config files they are never consulted.

>>
>>Hmm, make sure the package is (re)compiled with the new style configuration
>>files on. The 1024 byte packes size is for the 'i' protocol, read your
>>/usr/spool/uucp/Log file to determine what protocol you're using to connect
>>to the other host (the widespread 'g' protocol has a max of 64 bytes). Also,
>                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>Well, no. The 'g' protocol has always supported packet sizes up to 1024, but
>many uucp implementations have not. Taylor--using the new config
>files--allows a larger packet size and windows to be specified. It's in the
>docs.

Try that and you will blow many implementations of the 'g' protocol to
pieces...
(e.g. uucp on XENIX will just segfault in uucico)

Rob
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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: Linux & DOS ? 
Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 10:24:15 GMT
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl

In <2243@labsline.win.net> pat_sheaffer@labsline.win.net (PAT SHEAFFER) writes:


>Well, suppose I *do* try and get Linux running on my 
>home Pentium PC clone...  Does that mean that I have
>to chuck all my PC/Windows software?  *wow*

>Is there any other way to get well-connected to the
>INTERNET?  Does anyone know if UUCP and all the other
>great INTERNET access goodies are available under
>OS/2 or DOS/Windows?  I want to run a BBS that is
>well-connected to the INTERNET, but I need other
>things out of my PC too...

You seem to have landed in the wrong group...  except for
mentioning Linux in the first line of your message I don't
see much relation to Linux in your question.

Rob
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From: fyl@eskimo.com (Phil Hughes)
Subject: Re: What Does Linus Look Like?
Date: 12 May 94 03:30:04 GMT

Matt Welsh (mdw@cs.cornell.edu) wrote:
: In article <1994May10.194640.29983@midway.uchicago.edu> chan@alfrothul.uchicago.edu (Go-Captain Suzdal) writes:
: >But for those of us who haven't the resources to attend
: >European conferences, can some describe what Mr. T. looks
: >like?

: He's a large, muscular man with earrings and a mean-looking mohawk.
: Didn't you ever see the A Team?

: Oh, you mean Mr. Torvalds?

: For those of you with WWW access, the URL
:       http://sunsite.unc.edu/mdw/torvalds.html
: as the 3 classic GIFs of Linus, in full party mode. Someone sent
: me a pointer to another picture of Linus, sans beer, and I'll add
: that in soon.

For those who can't handle this electronic stuff, try page 45 of Linux
Journal #2 (with beer :-) ).
--
Phil Hughes -- usually fyl@fylz.com, sometimes fyl@eskimo.com

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From: clark@YingTongDiddleIPo.ee.wits.ac.za (Alan Robert Clark)
Subject: Hercules Xconfig
Date: 12 May 1994 14:02:59 GMT

 know its a bit much -- but I have read everything I can get my hands on
 -- can someone out there mail an Xconfig for a bog standard Hercules to
 me please  :-)

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From: kem@prl.ufl.edu (Kelly Murray)
Subject: Re: "Linux" trademark (was Re: Shameless commercial announcement on C)
Date: 11 May 1994 16:27:26 GMT

In article <2qo2pn$nu9@clarknet.clark.net>, kenf@clark.net (Ken Firestone) writes:
|> Kelly Murray (kem@prl.ufl.edu) wrote:
|> : I'm no lawyer, but to claim a trademark, you must at least indicate you
|> : are claiming it is yours, use it with a [tm], and also defend it against others
|> : who use it.  None of this has occured, and with many firms using the name, 
|> : it leads me to conclude it is in the public domain.

|> This may or may not be true, but you may not want to piss off your
|> customer base by "misusing" it in there eyes.

No company should ever piss-off their customer base, of course, 
and my personal opinion is that I don't like it
when I see official-sounding organizations using the Linux name.
But that is the way it is.  Better to let the people decide what is misuse 
than some lawyers. 


- Kelly Murray  (kem@prl.ufl.edu) <a href="http://www.prl.ufl.edu">
-University of Florida Parallel Research Lab </a> 96-node KSR1, 64-node nCUBE



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From: gary@ah3.cal.msu.edu (Gary J LaPointe)
Subject: Re: Linux on a Mac 610 Dos compatible
Date: 12 May 1994 12:32:33 GMT


I've decided to add to this since I have gotten a few non-responses to this:

This is a 486sx CARD, so in essence it is a 486 NOT an EMULATOR.
It is called a DOS emulator 'cause they probably can't say IBM PC.
It just uses the mac floppy, keybaord and ram (and CD??) and maybe the 
monitor they rest of it is a 486sx machine I believe. 

Gary J LaPointe (gary@ah3.cal.msu.edu) wrote:
: Has anyone tried to run Linux on a Mac 610 Dos compatible?
: (This is a Centris or Quardra 610 with the Apple DOS compatible card in 
: it that is a 25Mhz 486sx)
: I'd link to play with linux but I don't want to buy a PC just to run it on.
: And I don't have the space on my desk.

: Question numbers 2 & 3:
: Does it work with a Mac CD-ROM (built-in)?
: Does it work with the Ethernet?

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From: centauri@crl.com (Charles Rutledge)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development
Subject: Re: COMMODORE CALLS IT QUITS
Date: 12 May 1994 05:50:58 -0700

Alexandra Griffin (acg@kzin.cen.ufl.edu) wrote:
: The 64 & vic were 6502-based-- no danger of that architecture
: re-emerging, I hope, even though they did manage to take it up to 32

The last EDN microprocessor servey that I saw still listed the 6502 as 
one the best-selling microprocessors today, most because Rockwell using 
it as the heart of their modem chips.  It may not power your desktop, but 
don't count out your toaster.

Charles Rutledge
centauri@crl.com


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Crossposted-To: aus.computers.linux,comp.os.linux.help
From: cas@muffin.apana.org.au (Craig Sanders)
Subject: Re: linux 1.1.12 and gcc 2.4.5?
Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 05:12:04 GMT

cgschott@psu.edu (Carl Schott) writes:

>Craig Sanders (cas@muffin.apana.org.au) wrote:
>: I just got the patches to upgrade my kernel to version 1.1.12 today.

>: Installed them, and ran "make dep ; make clean ; make", and when it was
>: nearly finished, the make bombed out with (reformatted to make it more
>: readable):

>: =======errlist======
>:      net/net.o: Undefined symbol _rarp_ioctl referenced from text segment

>:      fs/filesystems.a(proc.o): Undefined symbol _rarp_get_info referenced
>:                                                        from text segment

>:      make: *** [tools/zSystem] Error 1
>: =======errlist======


>: I'm wondering if I've finally come up to a version of Linux which
>: requires a later version of gcc and the libraries.

>[...rest deleted...]

>No, there's an omission in one of the "Makefile"s.  You need to add
>"rarp.o" to the OBJS list in /usr/src/linux/net/inet/Makefile.  It
>should look like:

>OBJS    = sock.o utils.o route.o proc.o timer.o protocol.o \
>          eth.o packet.o arp.o dev.o ip.o raw.o icmp.o tcp.o udp.o \
>          datagram.o skbuff.o devinet.o rarp.o

>I sent Linus mail on this, but it may not get fixed for a while
>since he'll be travelling for the next couple of weeks.

>Hope this helps,

>Carl Schott


Thanks Carl, and everyone else who posted or emailed a fix.  It's
working now, with no problems.


-- 
Craig Sanders                                     cas@muffin.apana.org.au


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