Subject: Linux-Development Digest #36
From: Digestifier <Linux-Development-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
Reply-To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
Date:     Wed, 17 Aug 94 11:13:08 EDT

Linux-Development Digest #36, Volume #2          Wed, 17 Aug 94 11:13:08 EDT

Contents:
  Re: DOSEMU 0.53: Developers and testers needed! (Stefan Marte)
  Re: Linux Token Ring alpha release (Peter De Schrijver)
  Re: PPP disconnect after timeout? (Al Longyear)
  Re: Suggest:SCSI Tape File System (Hannes Reinecke)
  tcx info (Randy Hootman)
  Yggdrasil Summer 1994 `P&P': 3 install problems + solutions! (Jan Willems)
  Re: Where is irqaction? (Rob Janssen)
  How to implement alternate screen control code (Frank Lofaro)
  Builder Motif (cyril)
  Re: MGA Matrox Ultima 64bit support?
  More about my floppy not working (Dragan Cvetkovic)
  Re: Help linking curses in C++ (Bill Tate)
  Re: Enhanced IDE?? (Tim Smith)
  Q: Slawkware 1.2.0.3 support for SCSI drive 1.7G (Greg J. Pryzby)
  Re: [Q] What aren't my processes dying when logged out? (ray@wcc.ecn.com)
  Re: Future of Linux (Byron A Jeff)
  Anyone using the listserv package on sunsite? (Rob Newberry)

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From: MARTE@htu.tu-graz.ac.at (Stefan Marte)
Subject: Re: DOSEMU 0.53: Developers and testers needed!
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 1994 09:59:04 GMT

michaelw@desaster.student.uni-tuebingen.de (Michael Will) writes:
>I tested pre53_13 - the keyboard does not work correctly for me with 
>german keyboard. Upon entering backspace a "#" comes. When I enter ":"
>I get an v, when I enter "v" I get some graphical stuff. 
Weee, I know the symptom. This usually happens when loading "keyb gr"
inside dosemu. NOT a good idea. This also doesn't happen always to me,
only when not using raw keyboard. but anyway, to your problem:
>        keyboard {  layout gr-latin1  keybint on  rawkeyboard off  }
this should be the right one, but look which keytable you load durin system 
startup, and match it with the table given here. You might also want to set 
rawkeyboard on.

my own problem here:
no way to get the backspace key to work using dos -X:
setup of my machine: kernel 1.1.40
                     dosemu pre53_13
                     Xfree86 2.1
                     keytable gr.map
                     no Xmodmap
                     ncurses 1.8.5

and also several other keycombos (but not that important): like shift <ESC>
or Cntl-<Enter>. also since pre53_13, the xdosemuscript seems to be broken.
but it looks really prosiming all in all. thanx for the great work.

cu
STM
=====
Stefan Marte:  marte@htu.tu-graz.ac.at


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Date: Wed, 17 Aug 1994 11:43:05 +0200
From: stud11@cc4.kuleuven.ac.be (Peter De Schrijver)
Subject: Re: Linux Token Ring alpha release

Hi,

>
> ERRORS
>
> ibmtr.c: In function `tok_init_card':
> ibmtr.c:272: warning: unused variable `encoded_addr'
> fs/filesystems.a(msdos.o): Undefined symbol _msdos_scan referenced from text segment
> fs/filesystems.a(msdos.o): Undefined symbol _msdos_parent_ino referenced from text segment
> fs/filesystems.a(msdos.o): Undefined symbol _fs_panic referenced from text segment

...
> fs/filesystems.a(msdos.o): Undefined symbol _msdos_get_entry referenced from text segment
> fs/filesystems.a(msdos.o): Undefined symbol _msdos_parent_ino referenced from text segment
> fs/filesystems.a(msdos.o): Undefined symbol _fs_panic referenced from text segment
> fs/filesystems.a(msdos.o): Undefined symbol _lock_fat referenced from text segment
> fs/filesystems.a(msdos.o): Undefined symbol _unlock_fat referenced from text segment
> make: *** [tools/zSystem] Error 1
> --

These errors are caused by a broken fs/msdos/misc.c file. This file got
probably corrupted by a filesystem problem which i failed to notice. Just copy
a correct fs/msdos/misc.c, and this problem should be solved.

Peter.

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From: longyear@netcom.com (Al Longyear)
Subject: Re: PPP disconnect after timeout?
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 1994 09:45:17 GMT

verreaul@proeng.com (Daniel Verreault) writes:

>  A nice feature for Linux PPP would be to have the PPP link
>disconnect itself after a certain inactivity period (for expensive
>pay-per-minute links).  Is there any plans to add this in a future
>version, or am I missing something?  (work-around, trick, rtfm, etc).

Actually, to simply disconnect after so long of idle time is the easy
part. It is harder to define what is "idle". Do you consider the last
IP frame transmitted to be idle? If you are receiving nntp via PPP, then
it is definitely possible to never be idle.

The harder part is to do the demand dial function. This means to bring up
the PPP link when you need to send an IP frame of a specific type.

All of this is on the TODO list. The problem is that there just isn't
enough time to do it all by one person. If you wish to help, then join
the development mail list and volunteer.

-- 
Al Longyear           longyear@netcom.com

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From: hare@zarquon.mathi.uni-heidelberg.de (Hannes Reinecke)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Suggest:SCSI Tape File System
Date: 17 Aug 1994 10:41:42 GMT

Hi all,
the idea sounds pretty good. As I don't have the original posting at
hand, I don't know whether it has been mentioned earlier, so I'm
writing it anyhow: 

We really should use a common format (such as tar) for doing the
actual writing on
the tape. The advantages are:
- _All_ tapestreamers are able to read the tape; you didn't rely on a
special driver being present. For the consequences in not doing so
read a.f.c: 1970 population census and followups.

- The physical format and methods of writing are well-known; you are
able to fix your mind on the real problem.

- And of course, you are not restricted to a special kind of
hardware. It should run on virtually _every_ tapedrive system.

Comments and suggestions welcome.
BTW, having an DAT-Streamer I'd like to participiate on the project,
if it ever comes into physical existence.

Greetings from Heidelberg

Hannes
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From: rph@netcom.com (Randy Hootman)
Subject: tcx info
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 1994 06:32:21 GMT

Somewhere back in the last few weeks or so, I saw mention of use of tcx 
to create a boot/root disk on the same floppy. Am I finally flipping out 
or re-experiencing the 60's? I can't find what I did with that mail to 
save me. Could someone point me to the archive or the HOW-TO on this. (I 
know where tcx is on the archives.) I'm referring to the specifics on 
creating a single boot/root floppy (on both 5.25 and 3.5 disks).

TIA,
Randy
-- 

///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
     "In recognizing the humanity of our fellow beings,
      we pay ourselves the highest tribute." - Thurgood Marshall
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Randy Hootman                Randysoft Software             (408) 229-0119


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From: janw@cs.ruu.nl (Jan Willems)
Subject: Yggdrasil Summer 1994 `P&P': 3 install problems + solutions!
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 1994 07:01:57 GMT


New Yggdrasil summer 1994 CDROM users,

        
        To be of some help when your installing the Yggdrasil
        summer 1994 CDROM.
        I had to take the following steps:

        Startup with the bootfloppy (a copy!) and start the
        installation.
        With my installation all goes well until it's trying to
        mount a partition on the harddisk. 
        After this error I was set back to the prompt. Login as
        root and go to CDROM INSTALL directory, (/system_cd/INSTALL).
        Now copy the install script to /ramdisk, go overthere and edit
        the following line (line 357):

        if ! mount $root /mnt && ! mount $root /mnt ; then

        so that it looks like:

        if ! mount  -t ext2 $root /mnt && ! mount -t ext2  $root /mnt ; then

        Now just type install and do the installattion over again. In my
        case this worked.

        Next is the Xwindows installation, it generated some clear errors when
        it starts. 
        This I saw on the net several times but I'll just write it down
        again:

        You have to symbolicly link (ln -s) two libs from the '/' directory 
        to '/usr/X386/lib':

        lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     system         25 Aug 14 15:04 libX11.so.3 -> /usr/X386/lib/libX11.so.3*
        lrwxrwxrwx   1 root     system         24 Aug 14 15:04 libXt.so.3 -> /usr/X386/lib/libXt.so.3*


        In most cases I guess this is enough. 

        Next I wanted to do some xview programming and when running the 
        compiled xview programs all I got was:

                can't find library 'libxv3.so.3'

        This lib is in `/usr/openwin/lib'!
        Thanks to the net-people I got it solved: The problem was the
        'ldconfig' command which is `buggy' version: 1.3. Replace it 
        with ld.so-1.4.3.tar.gz. which is on many sites on the internet.

        Suggestions, better solutions... are always welcome.

        Goodluck,

        Regards,
        Jan Willems,

--
-- Jan --                                            _
Jan Willems, Department of Computer Science,|      -0-0-
Utrecht University, the Netherlands,        |        |   
tel: +31-30-534114, e-mail: janw@cs.ruu.nl  |       \_/

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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: Where is irqaction?
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 1994 07:25:25 GMT

In <32qrcp$spp@charnel.ecst.CSUChico.EDU> rbauer@ecst.csuchico.edu (Robert Bauer) writes:

>Hello,

>I noticed with kernel 1.1.45 (and possibly earlier releases
>which I skipped) that irqaction is no longer listed in ksyms.c.

>Since this breaks ftape, I was wondering if there is a reason behind
>this omission, or if it was simply forgotten.  Can I just stick it
>back in there with no ill consequences?

No.  It has been replaced by a function "request_irq()" that has more
parameters.   This was done to register the name of the device using
a specific IRQ.
You have to modify a line in the driver that uses irqaction().

Rob
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| Rob Janssen                | AMPRnet:   rob@pe1chl.ampr.org           |
| e-mail: pe1chl@rabo.nl     | AX.25 BBS: PE1CHL@PI8UTR.#UTR.NLD.EU     |
=========================================================================

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From: ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro)
Subject: How to implement alternate screen control code
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 94 07:49:14 GMT

I am try to figure out how to best implement the alternate screen code. 
Like the one xterm uses (ESC [ ? 47 h/l) to set/reset use of the alternate 
screen.

Run less in an xterm, when you quit it see how the screen is restored.
I am trying to add that to Linux.

Should I just implement them as "virtual" virtual consoles?
Expand the screen buffer? (I tried it, but ended up munging memory, getting 
panics, etc. I guess it is harder that I first thought.) 

How much state should be shared between the normal and alternate screen?

None (except global console driver stuff) like separate VC's?
All except each having a different buffer?
Something in the middle?

Is there a real standard as how to do it?
Should I use xterm's behavior?
What is xterm's behavior exactly?

BTW: the codes are in termcap ti and te.


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From: sean@email.teaser.com (cyril )
Subject: Builder Motif
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 1994 07:40:44 GMT

I am looking for a builder motif or toolkit 
i heart theis is one in the Public Domain

If someone know 

--
cyril 
Internet: sean@email.teaser.com
Bang:     uunet!teaser!email!sean

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Date: Wed, 17 Aug 1994 01:42:03 CDT
From: <U62323@uicvm.uic.edu>
Subject: Re: MGA Matrox Ultima 64bit support?

Does any of you know, if there is ever going to be support for MGA video cards
I am thinking about geting another video card, that is supported now.
Any suggestions?
My E-mail rgebis@ernie.eecs.uic.edu
Thanx!!!!

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From: dragan@norma.gmd.de (Dragan Cvetkovic)
Subject: More about my floppy not working
Date: 17 Aug 1994 08:30:05 GMT

                Hi,
        I posted yesterday an article to c.o.l.d saying that as of version
>= 1.1.40 (or .41) my floppy drivers don't work any more. I installed
1.1.45 and the problem is still the same. I am a bit surprised because it
is the first time that something doesn't work under Linux and I installed
almost every version of kernel from 0.99 on. OK, I don't use net and I
don't have a SCSI. Just plain 486SX/25MHz with ISA bus, IDE drive, 2
floppies and 8 MB RAM.

        Here is a part of my syslog file about floppy problem:

 At the boot time:
Aug 16 20:03:57 dc486 linux: Console: colour EGA+ 80x30, 8 virtual consoles
Aug 16 20:03:57 dc486 linux: Serial driver version 4.00 with no serial options enabled
Aug 16 20:03:57 dc486 linux: tty00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16450
Aug 16 20:03:58 dc486 linux: tty01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16450
Aug 16 20:03:58 dc486 linux: Calibrating delay loop.. ok - 12.42 BogoMips
Aug 16 20:03:58 dc486 linux: Memory: 7188k/8192k available (452k kernel code, 384k reserved, 168k data)
Aug 16 20:03:58 dc486 linux: This processor honours the WP bit even when in supervisor mode. Good.
Aug 16 20:03:58 dc486 linux: Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.2M, fd1 is 1.44M
Aug 16 20:03:58 dc486 linux: FDC 0 is a 8272A
Aug 16 20:03:59 dc486 linux: Swansea University Computer Society NET3.016
Aug 16 20:04:03 dc486 linux: Checking 'hlt' instruction...  Ok.
Aug 16 20:04:03 dc486 linux: Linux version 1.1.45 (root@dc486) (gcc version 2.5.8) #1 Tue Aug 16 19:20:56 MET DST 1994
Aug 16 20:04:04 dc486 linux: Partition check:
Aug 16 20:04:04 dc486 linux:   hda: D3755, 100MB w/60KB Cache, CHS=625/8/41, MaxMult=0
Aug 16 20:04:04 dc486 linux:   hda: hda1 hda2 < hda5 hda6 >
Aug 16 20:04:04 dc486 linux: VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly.
Aug 16 20:04:05 dc486 linux: Adding Swap: 4884k swap-space

Now, when I want to mount a floppy with `mount -t msdos /dev/fd1 /mnt' (or
/dev/fd0, it is the same effect) I get the following:

Aug 16 20:04:31 dc486 linux: VFS: Disk change detected on device 2/1
Aug 16 20:04:36 dc486 linux: floppy 1: probe failed...
Aug 16 20:04:39 dc486 last message repeated 9 times
Aug 16 20:04:39 dc486 linux: floppy I/O error
Aug 16 20:04:39 dc486 linux: dev 0201, sector 0
Aug 16 20:04:44 dc486 linux: floppy 1: probe failed...
Aug 16 20:04:47 dc486 last message repeated 9 times
Aug 16 20:04:47 dc486 linux: floppy I/O error
Aug 16 20:04:47 dc486 linux: dev 0201, sector 0
Aug 16 20:04:47 dc486 linux: MSDOS bread failed


As already said, if I do soft reboot only, I still can't use my floppies no
matter the OS I but (1.1.45, 1.0.l9 or DOS), but if I power off my machine 
and power on again, I can use it under 1.0.9 or under DOS. Funny.
        Another interesting thing is that I didn't get any response to my
article from yesterday. Does it mean that:
        a) no one knows how to solve the problem?
        b) no one is interested in this problem?
        c) this is the wrong group for this problem?
        d) this is not the right method for sending bug (?) report?
If the answer is c) or d), please tell me what to do.
                Thanks in advance,
                        Dragan

--
--
     Dragan Cvetkovic,                  | To be or not to be 
     cvetkovic@gmd.de (or)              | is true. Or maybe not.  
     Dragan.Cvetkovic@gmd.de            |      G. Boole

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From: btate@encore.com (Bill Tate)
Subject: Re: Help linking curses in C++
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 1994 12:18:38 GMT

Did you try c++ myprog.cxx -lcurses
to include the curses lib you need the lcurses option

regards



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From: tzs@u.washington.edu (Tim Smith)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Enhanced IDE??
Date: 17 Aug 1994 13:44:19 GMT

I'm trying to set up a system with two disks: a 540 that goes just
slightly over 1024 cylinders, and a 1 gig that's way over (2100
cylinders).

If I'm willing to give up booting with LILO (and OS/2's Boot Manager
and any other boot manager that uses BIOS) and instead boot from
my DOS partition via BOOTLIN, would Linux be happy living entirely
above cylinder 1024?  

I've been using BOOTLIN the last couple of days, and it's not at
all bad.  DOS 6 let's you do something like this in CONFIG.SYS
(I'm guessing at the syntax, since I'm right in the middle of
trying to figure out how to get Linux, DOS, FreeBSD, and OS/2
all happily installed at the same time, and can't actually take
a look).

        menu LINUX "Start LINUX"
        menu TLINUX "Start test version of LINUX"
        menu DOS "Start DOS and Windows"

        [LINUX]
        ...stuff you want in CONFIG.SYS when you are going to run LINUX...

        [TLINUX]
        ...similar to above...

        [DOS]
        ...your normal stuff for DOS and WINDOWS...

and in AUTOEXEC.BAT you do this:

        goto %CONFIG%

        :LINUX
        bootlin vmlinux

        :TLINUX
        bootlin tstlinux

        :DOS
        ...your regular DOS/Windows AUTOEXEC.BAT stuff...

When you make a new kernel, use the rdev command to make sure that
root and swap are set properly, and then copy it to the DOS partition.

You might think that this would be slow, since you've got to go
through DOS to get to Linux, but since it skips all the usual stuff
in config.sys and autoexec.bat, it's actually quite quick.

(I believe you can also set a timeout, so that unattended booting will
work).

For those of us who had DOS inflicted on us when we bought our
systems, this seems reasonable (or for those who have installed
DOS because they are too impatient to wait for the Linux release
of DOOM...).

--Tim Smith

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From: gjp@vtci.com (Greg J. Pryzby)
Subject: Q: Slawkware 1.2.0.3 support for SCSI drive 1.7G
Date: 17 Aug 1994 13:17:00 GMT

I have the April release of InfoMagic's Linux Disk with Slackware 1.2.0.3.
I tried to use fdisk on my 1.7G drive, but was getting warnings. It appears
that I only see 1G. I have an Adaptec 1742A controller.

Any suggestions, solutions are welcome.

Thanks in advance for the excellent suggestions!

--
gregory j pryzby                                          gjp@vtci.com

herbivores ate well because their food did never run

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From: ray@wcc.ecn.com
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: [Q] What aren't my processes dying when logged out?
Date: 16 Aug 1994 17:36:54 -0700

Jerry Ablan (munster@kevorke.cboe.com) wrote:
: I'm having a weird problem. Whenever my users log out, most of their
: processes (like ftp, tin, telnet, etc) stay running but their TTY port
: switches to con instead of pp2 or whatever it was.

: Any way to stop this from happening? Like a kernel switch?

: I'm running v1.1.35 too.

: My domain name is not yet registered so email will not get to me. You can
: email me at munster@mcs.com if you'd like.

: -- Jerry

...the same happens on this end.
Ray.

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From: byron@gemini.cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff)
Subject: Re: Future of Linux
Date: 17 Aug 1994 12:10:55 GMT

In article <9uGKkapDlvoV067yn@halcyon.com>,
Michael Dillon <mpdillon@halcyon.com> wrote:
-> [These are Byron's original comments.]
-> The big software companies have spoiled users into having these
-> "everything including the kitchen sink" applications that have been developed
-> and refined for 10 years or more. If you take a survey of applications
-> users you'll find that the 90/10 rule applies in that most (90%) of the
-> users use only a small (10%) of the available functions. But because the
-> customer is paying they can demand the other 90% of the functions even though
-> they are rarely used by any but the most rare user.
-> 
-> The challenge is to identify the 10% of functions that are most used and
-> implement them. Add hooks to that users can add anything they want. 
-
-If you truly want USERS to add these additional features then you have to
-provide an easier way for them to do so than writing  C code. One
-way that has been proven to work is to use TCL as the glue that binds
-together your application's features. That way, users can truly
-reconstruct an application in their own image. Even the commercial
-WP and spreadsheet companies include macro languages.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Users can be more productive if they
are provided tools that allow them to exploit the power of the system.

-
-I would like to see a continuation of the UNIX "toolkit" approach
-where people build tools that do a fairly specialised job but that
-are easily combinable with other tools to do fairly complex jobs.
-For the most part, such tools have been "filters" that are
-connected together with pipes. 

The problem is that there is no easy modeling of this concept within
the current GUI frameworks so this power is lost.

-
-I think that in order to create the possibility of sophisticated
-desktop publishing systems like Word for Windows and Excel,
-we have to take a slightly different approach that involves
-building modules that can be glued together into applications
-with something like TCL. This is very similar to the "widget"
-concept in X-Windows, except that it does not require the end
-user to do any C programming. The TCL approach also focusses
-on functionality rather than "looks".

I like that idea. And since TCL is interpreted these changes can be done on
the fly.
-
-> Linux has no need to compete with DOS/Windows/MacOS. The user bases of the
-> others are so large and so entrenched that trying to make even the smallest
-> dent is impossible. All we really have to do is provide a high quality
-> product whose worth is easily identifiable to knowledgeable users.
-
-And one way to do this is to make something that can do stuff that
-is very difficult to do with MacOs or Windows. Even the idea of
-filters is very foreign to those OSes and if you think that OLE
-will be accessible to any but the most skilled programmers, then
-you haven't looked at MS's OLE 2 documentation.

I don't look at much MS stuff. Have no reason to. ;-)

-
-> I've brought Linux in its current form to everywhere I operate. People have
-> been impressed with it's strengths and not so worried about it's lack of
-> applications because of the DOS/Windows/MacOS environments that are
-> prevalent for doing the types of applications you describe.
-
-To me one of the worst things you can do is to run an X server on your
-primary Linux box. 

Why? If you have sufficient memory and a decent video/monitor combo X is
fine. It's primarily a memory hog.

-However, if you have a Windows box as well, you
-can run a free demo X server for Windows and get the best of both
-worlds.

Blech. I'd rather drop in one of those compressed floppies into a RAM drive
and use the real full featured XFree86 than one of those crappy demos
(which I can comment on because I've tested a couple.)

I like your ideas. This is the type of discussion I'm trying to generate:
how to provide GUI that can still exploit the power of the system.

BAJ
-- 
Another random extraction from the mental bit stream of...
Byron A. Jeff - PhD student operating in parallel - And Using Linux!
Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332   Internet: byron@cc.gatech.edu

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From: rob@eats.com (Rob Newberry)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Anyone using the listserv package on sunsite?
Date: Wed, 17 Aug 1994 10:00:34 UNDEFINED

I've been experimenting with setting up a listserv on my machine, and I
was using the listserv package on sunsite.  Although I did have to make
some patches to the code (an #include <unistd.h> was needed for the R_OK, and 
the functions in "str.c" were in the normal string library), I got it to 
compile.  However, I can't seem to figure out how to create lists.  I added 
the *.info and *.pub files, but it doesn't go.  The package mentions an index 
file, but I can't find the example it talks about.

Has anybody managed to make this thing go?  Thanks for any help!

Rob



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