Subject: Linux-Development Digest #27
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Date:     Mon, 15 Aug 94 10:13:08 EDT

Linux-Development Digest #27, Volume #2          Mon, 15 Aug 94 10:13:08 EDT

Contents:
  Re: GP faults (Rob Janssen)
  Re: Mouse problem... (Rob Janssen)
  Re: Future of Linux (Byron A Jeff)
  Re: g++ 2.6.0 kernel compiler problem (David Kastrup)
  Weird Adaptec clone on AIR 486MIS MB (Christopher Cason)
  Re: Suggest:SCSI Tape File System (Christopher Cason)
  XON/XOFF -- lpr broken? (Andrew R. Tefft)
  Re: Was: [hd] Do you recognize this error message? Now: Error survey (Chris)
  Suggestion for Linux (B Nivi (Babak/9409))
  Re: Sony CDU31A/Floppy driver fix (George Kiewicz)
  xxgdb: Any patch for version 1.08? (Hsieh Shing Leung Arthur (BACS3 Class A))
  Anyone know how to get space left from stdio input stream? (Anthony Rumble)
  Re: Suggestion for Linux (Pete Heist P275)

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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: GP faults
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 1994 08:43:52 GMT

In <32lb4i$1je@magix.uucp> nicolas@magix.uucp (Nicolas BOUGUES) writes:

>Rob Janssen (rob@pe1chl.ampr.org) a ecrit:

>: How did you get that memory usage information?

>I got it from the memory info during boot process. Here is the line I get
>with 1.1.44 :
>Memory: 15900/20480k available (728k kernel code, 384k reserved, 3468k data)

>And with 1.1.39 (with the same kernel config) :
>Memory: 18248/20480k available (696k kernel code, 384k reserved, 1152k data)

>I do not look at it carefully each time I boot up Linux, but as far as I
>remember, it has always looked like (more or less) 1.1.39.

Ah, ok...   I though you might have fallen into the trap of using the
"free" output to find the memory usage :-)

The above line shows on my 1.1.44 system:
Memory: 14836k/16384k available (640k kernel code, 384k reserved, 524k data)

Apparently you have a lot more drivers configured than I have :-)
You may want to try disabling some of them, and thereby find which one
is using so much memory (not only data, but also code is quite big for you)

FYI: I have a 486, no FP emu, no IDE disk, Aha1542 SCSI (disk/tape/cdrom),
IP networking, NE2000 network card, SLIP+CSLIP, no busmouse, GUS soundcard.

Rob
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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: Mouse problem...
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 1994 08:48:59 GMT

In <32me94$c4e@network.cc.jyu.fi> tjko@tarzan.math.jyu.fi (Timo Kokkonen) writes:

>I have a mouse (TrueMouse 300) that emulates both microsoft and 
>mousesystem mouses.  It's working fine under DOS (with microsoft driver 
>it works like ms-mouse and with mousesystem driver it works like 
>mousesystem-mouse...) 

>But under Linux / X (kernel v1.1.42, XFree86 v2.1.1) it will work only as
>mickeysoft mouse :-(  

>So is the problem in kernel or X-server ? 

>I think, that the X-server doesn't initialize mouse in the same way as
>the mousesystem's DOS driver does, so the autodetect mechanism
>in my mouse won't change the mode to mousesystems...

>So I examided the utilities that came with the mouse with debugger...
>and found that I can force the mouse to MouseSystem mode quite simply:

>mox dx, 3F8        ; COM1....
>add dx, 4
>mov al, 8          ; 08 = 3-button mode, 0b = 2-button mode
>out dx,al
>sub dx, 4
>in  al,dx
>add dx, 5
>in  al,dx


>Since, I ain't very familiar with Linux, yet. I would really appreciate
>any help how to patch mouse init routine in X-server (in kernel?) to
>enable MouseSystems mode.

Did you try to use the "ClearDTR" and "ClearRTS" parameters in the
mouse section in Xconfig?  Use "man Xconfig" to get a lot of info...

Rob
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From: byron@gemini.cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff)
Subject: Re: Future of Linux
Date: 15 Aug 1994 12:06:46 GMT

In article <32n4pk$b7d@wumpus.cc.uow.edu.au>,
Van Dao Mai <mai@wumpus.cc.uow.edu.au> wrote:
-Guys,
-   I read a debate on comp.os.linux.misc about some people thinking of
-Linux as only a toy. I like it very much as it is free and smarter than
-many commercial systems. It has faults that are common of all UNIXes.

Yes. That fault seems to be is that Unixes aren't DOS/Windows/Macs.

-   I suppse one has to be clear of the purpose of a system to see its
-value. If UNIX is still targeted at education mainly then it is fine as 
-it is. However if it is targeted at normal users then it is not.

Because normal users use DOS/Windows/MacOS.

-   What Linux needs are a better graphical interface and editing tools.

Like DOS/Windows/MacOS.

-Apart from this it has to have a better facility for printing so that
-more printer drivers can be supported. 

Like DOS/Windows/MacOS maybe?

-The main problem is that it is a
-free system without real money to support large scale integrated projects
-aiming at these needs. 

Like Microsoft/Apple (who developed DOS/Windows/MacOS)


-Imagine how one would create a word processing
-system like MSWord or Ami Pro?  

Like Microsoft did?

-There are brilliant programmers who
-created nice utilities falling short of an integrated package that will do
-a lot of things.

Like Microsoft/Novell/Lotus?

-   It owuld be nice if people create large long term projects to give
-Linux decent software that can be given out or sold for small profit to go
-back to the development of more software. 

Like the decent software for DOS/Windows/MacOS?

-A limited commercialism in this
-sense with the money to support programmers and the development of this
-system. Provided that good projects are set up and co-ordinated, I think
-volunteers can be found to contribute into the project rather than doing a
-complete software utility, nice but too small to be significant. This will
-also stop people re-inventing too many wheels.
-   1- Companies selling Linux CDs and support. They should be asked to
-      donate a part of their income back into Linux development.
-   2- Projects should be started and co-ordinated by talented people so
-      that programmers can contribute to this in an integrated manner.
-   3- Linux users should be encouraged to become members of a Global 
-      Linux Club and membership fee will beused to support programmers
-      working on Linux Software Projects.
-
-May be this will give us a good set of Linux software that will make it on
-the same footing as Windows, OS/2 or DOS. The most urgent things to have t
-for Linux is 
- (1) a decent object-oriented filemanager for X windows and

If none of the X file managers available can't do the job then why not
pick the best one and start working on it. Identify what needs to be
changed, soliclit some help, and get to work.

Personally I'm perfectly content with the X utilities menu and a shell.


-(2) A powerful word processing with GUI interface for Linux. 

If the EZ editor from the AUIS doesn't do the job then why not start working
on it. Identify what needs to be changed, solicit some help, and get to work.

Personally I'm much more effective using LaTeX or Quickscript, ghostview
and a PostScript Printer.

- These two would make the system a lot more useable for all people. 

To be honest it doens't make the system any more useable to me.

-
-This will make Linux a home UNIX system for many "better than average"
-computer user.

I'm tired of this argument. People just can seem to understand the amount
of people-hours, management, and money that it takes to develop the kinds
of software that you're talking about. Each one of the projects you're
referring to have hundreds of people working on it full-time. The reason
software companies can do that is because they know they'll get 15 million
units sold to a extremely loyal customer base. It's a lot easier to work
for years on a product when you know that even 2% of a 150 million
installed base will buy it.

But when you're essentially giving away the product and there's a small
customer base, it becomes very difficult to justify all that effort.
Especially when there are tools available to do the job.

The better way to support all this stuff is to provide the underlaying
OS services necessary to support such applications. DOSEMU is a champ at
this while Wine is moving into usefulness.

The big software companies have spoiled users into having these
"everything including the kitchen sink" applications that have been developed
and refined for 10 years or more. If you take a survey of applications
users you'll find that the 90/10 rule applies in that most (90%) of the
users use only a small (10%) of the available functions. But because the
customer is paying they can demand the other 90% of the functions even though
they are rarely used by any but the most rare user.

The challenge is to identify the 10% of functions that are most used and
implement them. Add hooks to that users can add anything they want. 

Face it Linux is useful and unique because it doesn't do the same things as
DOS/Windows/MacOS. If that's all you need then stay with DOS/Windows/MacOS.

Linux has no need to compete with DOS/Windows/MacOS. The user bases of the
others are so large and so entrenched that trying to make even the smallest
dent is impossible. All we really have to do is provide a high quality
product whose worth is easily identifiable to knowledgeable users.

I've stopped trying to get people to convert. For most Linux is unnecessary. 
I'll only push the point when I have some responsibility to supporting the 
machine.  I'm selfish because I'm no longer interested in supporting
DOS/Windows/MacOS boxes. There are enough other people/books/magazines
for those products. I do Linux. If I'm involved, Linux is involved. If
Linux isn't involved, then I'm not. 

I've brought Linux in its current form to everywhere I operate. People have
been impressed with it's strengths and not so worried about it's lack of
applications because of the DOS/Windows/MacOS environments that are
prevalent for doing the types of applications you describe.

Most average computer users have no understanding or need for Linux.

All you'll end up doing is emasculating the OS we know an love by chaining
more and more restrictions so that it'll look/feel like DOS/Windows/MacOS.

If that's all I needed I would've just stayed home.

Later,

BAJ
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Byron A. Jeff - PhD student operating in parallel - And Using Linux!
Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA 30332   Internet: byron@cc.gatech.edu

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From: dak@hathi.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (David Kastrup)
Subject: Re: g++ 2.6.0 kernel compiler problem
Date: 15 Aug 1994 12:19:29 GMT

torvalds@cc.Helsinki.FI (Linus Torvalds) writes:

>In article <1994Aug6.153935.15933@dcs.warwick.ac.uk>,
>Beeblebrox <M.S.Ashton@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> wrote:
>>marc@offline.be (Marc Duponcheel) writes:
>>
>>>Hello linux developers,
>>
>>>Anyone has tried to use 2.6.0 for kernel builing ?
>>
>>Yes, works fine.

>Newer kernels seem to compile with 2.6.0, but I have had a few
>discouraging reports on the actual workings of those kernels.  I'd
>strongly suggest not using 2.6.0 for kernel compilation: the new
>compiler seems to do bad things to inline assembly, for example. 

Part of the problem might be wrong asm specifications, as you need
to specify what registers are used how, and what registers should not
be used as input and output at the same time, and what side effects might
happen...

The better the compiler gets optimizing, the more necessary correct
specifications of side effects become.

Some things are rather hard to properly define, especially as
pseudo registers (like %%memory or similar for specifying memory
change side effects) have been introduced just in 2.6.0, and not before.

Some things, in order to be properly specified, require declaring dummy
variables (at least I had such a case). And so on.

As the internal compiler operations are also defined in form of
Assembler templates (although slightly different ones), wrong
template insertion behaviour could prbably break a load of
compiled C-code as well, so improper template compilation is
probably less frequent as to be suspected for such a "special"
feature. Nevertheless, of course, the compiler patterns do not
include all possible cases, and so bugs are still probable
to creep up.

Staying with 2.5.8 for public releases, until the 2.6.0 problems are
either solved in gcc-source, or kernel-source (depending on who might
be blamed) could be the best choice, apart from the fact that certain
problems might *want* 2.6.0 in order to overcome the problem in the
most appropriate way.

BTW, I speak for no-one, and no competence in any matters should
be considered implied.

-- 
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 Tel: +49-241-72419 Fax: +49-241-79502
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From: cjcason@yarrow.wt.uwa.edu.au (Christopher Cason)
Subject: Weird Adaptec clone on AIR 486MIS MB
Date: 15 Aug 1994 12:21:02 GMT

I purchased an AIR 486MIS VLB motherboard with a built-in Adaptec 1510/20/22
compatible VLB SCSI controller. Initially using it with my DOS machine, I was
quite impressed as it doubled the I/O performance of my previous ISA card,
a Buslogic BT-545S.

However, I have discovered (to my surprise) that this controller does not
support DMA ! It's PIO only and, as a result, Linux won't boot on it ; it
goes into a 'cannot mount root' kernel panic.

does anyone know if the SCSI drivers can be configured to run without DMA ?
OK, there's performance issues but it's an expensive motherboard ...

if anyone else has experience with this motherboard please let me know.

failing that, does anyone know of a fast, cheap, VLB SCSI controller ?
[is this a contradiction in terms ??? <g>]

regards,

-- Chris

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From: cjcason@yarrow.wt.uwa.edu.au (Christopher Cason)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Suggest:SCSI Tape File System
Date: 15 Aug 1994 12:24:50 GMT

Chris Burke (clb@prism.mindware.brisnet.org.au) wrote:
: I have been pondering a bit and have worked out a reasonable way to allow
: a mountable file system for high speed tapes. 
[snip]

I think this is an excellent idea. Anyone else have any comments ???

regards,

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From: teffta@erie.ge.com (Andrew R. Tefft)
Subject: XON/XOFF -- lpr broken?
Reply-To: teffta@erie.ge.com
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 1994 12:40:45 GMT

I noticed a while back that I was losing characters in printouts.
When I saw rumors that xon/xoff flow control was broken in some 
1.1 kernels, I thought that this was the cause and tried 1.1.44.
That didn't fix the problem, but I now can cat the file to the serial
port directly with no garbled output. So it looks like it is working
properly at least somewhere in the chain.

The obvious thing to look at, then, is the flags in my printcap entry.
However, I know that I have not changed that since I originally
came up with it, and it worked then (there are still paragraphs by
me in the HOWTO related to this effort). And after a failed attempt,
the stty output seems correct, unlike when lpd was completely screwing
up the port, and subsequent stty's showed the damage quite clearly.

Unfortunately, since the time it worked, I have upgraded many things
(including kernel and libc but not lpd) and I print very seldom so I
have no idea at what point it stopped working.

I tried a newer lpd (from the NetKit-B package I think) to no avail.
I have the distinct impression that those of us with serial printers
are a distinct minority. Unfortunately my printer doesn't have hardware
flow control capability.

Can anyone tell me if the serial stuff has changed in a way that would cause
lpd (or other applications) to break, and perhaps how to fix it?


---

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From: e8ne@jupiter.sun.csd.unb.ca (Chris)
Subject: Re: Was: [hd] Do you recognize this error message? Now: Error survey
Date: 15 Aug 1994 13:03:07 GMT

In article <32mro0$8av@cronkite.ocis.temple.edu>,
The Answer is 42. <jwiegand@odie.temple.edu> wrote:
>In article <317fdd$bvd@aurora.engr.LaTech.edu> ramos@engr.latech.edu (Alex Ramos) writes:
>>Might some hd.c guru tell me a possible cause for the following errors?

[snip] (HD errorors)

>[snip]

>I have developed soft errors on my hdb, and the soft errors result in
>file/file-system corruption. The problem, as far as I can tell, is

I have a sneaking suspicion I have experienced the same thing last night 
:( ... after running out of drive space, I started clearing up some old 
files, and typing 'make clean' in a few dirs... while occasionally 
checking df, I noticed that I had 135xxx total 128xxx avail and 0 free (I 
forget the unit - it's in Ks I think) ... anyhow, they didn't add up 
correctly... (I remember reading another, similar thread about 2-3 months 
ago, but this gets even better:

I rebooted, and ran e2fsck - it came up with some weird errors (and even 
told me it had an error in the programming  (of e2fsck?!) (oh - this is 
version 0.5a of e2fsck, with v1.1.44 kernel)) ... so I just said yes to 
all prompts about fixing things... and it told me to reboot (I did this 
booting under multi-user, with the fs mounted (hope this isn't bad) :)

So far, I have ran e2fsck about 10 times, each time, it complains about 
things (sometimes they differ - usually they don't ... occasionally, I 
may get about 5-20k more available, but it changes... (my /lost+found is 
empty, and was each time after running e2fsck).  Now, for the weird part:

df results in the following (I am at work, but you should see my point)

avail  used    free
135xxx 119xxx 10xxx    *note: 119+10 != 135

I have rebooted several times, and STILL I get about 6/8 megs MISSING!?!

Whats's the deal??

[snip]

>So the big question is: what is the right way to recover from hd errors?
>I don't have the AT BIOS listings or IDE controller documentation on the
>register level, so hopefully someone can point me to documentation or
>give me a hand :-). 

Please - I'd LOVE to hear about this too :)

>So, if you find filesystem problems on your IDE partition, don't blame
>Linus or Linux, check your syslog for HD write_intr errors. Getting one

I believe my problem IS related to the Kernel... *sigh* But I did NOT get 
any errors in /var/adm/*log about HD errors...

[snip]

Chris


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From: bnivi@eth234.eld.ford.com (B Nivi (Babak)/9409)
Subject: Suggestion for Linux
Date: 15 Aug 1994 13:20:47 GMT


I'm sure all you develop people love these suggestions
from idiots like me who have nothing to do with and know
nothing about the development of Linux.  Anyway, here's
a suggestion for Linux.  Maybe it's already implemented?

On HP-UX, say you have a directory with the following files

junk.gs fool.c idiot.gz

Now, I don't know if this is a function of the shell, the OS
or what but if at any point in the shell I type in the letter 
j followed by an escape key, I will see the filename junk.gs in
the shell.  So if I type c-a-t j-ESCAPE, I will see

cat junk.gs

Likewise with the other filenames.  This can save a fair bit
of typing.  This can also help verify filenames for me, for
example, if I'm in /junk/idiot/moron and I want to cat something
that is in /junk/ass/stupid but I'm not totally sure of its name
I can type cat junk/ass/stupid/f followed by an escape and the
f will expand to a filename starting with f if such a file
exists in that directory.  Obviously, there are some rules
behind this that I haven't considered but that can be
worked out. 

Just a suggestion for something that can be
implemented in Linux:  let me know what you think.

--

Babak Nivi, Summer Intern
Engineering Tools and Expert Systems
Ford Motor Company
(313) 32-38025

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From: george@ba0024.ba.ford.com (George Kiewicz)
Subject: Re: Sony CDU31A/Floppy driver fix
Date: 15 Aug 1994 13:21:19 GMT

On 12 Aug 1994 14:49:52 GMT, Corey Minyard (minyard@crchh7b9) wrote:
: I have found the problem with the CDU31A.  Actually the floppy driver
: was clobbering my base I/O address value.  I think someone owes me a beer
: for this one.  At least a virtual beer :-).

: This also might fix a lot of problems people were having with the new
: floppy driver.

: Here's the fix:
[Meat of the article deleted...]

Well, no. Not my problem, anyway.

I have a PAS16 soundcard/CDROM controller and I've consistantly been
getting 'Cannot read superblock' messages from the mount command, and
/var/adm/messages logs something like 'Sony error 0x01 (scd_open spin up)'

This has been going on since 1.1.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

---
George Kiewicz
george@ba0024.ba.ford.com

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From: cs221442@comp.hkp.hk (Hsieh Shing Leung Arthur (BACS3 Class A))
Subject: xxgdb: Any patch for version 1.08?
Reply-To: cs221442@comp.hkp.hk
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 1994 14:49:11 GMT

I got the source of xxgdb-1.08 and manually applied the patch xxgdb.diff.z,
which is relative to version 1.06 and was obtained from sunsite, and made
some trivial changes to get clean compilation.  However, it doesn't work
properly and has the following problems:

1. The prompt is ^[[?1h^[=(gdb) instead of (xxgdb)
2. Fails to list source in Source Display window
3. Gives segmentation violation when the "file" button is pressed

Does anyone know if there's any new patch for version 1.08 which can
make xxgdb work properly?  If so, where can I get it?

Similar questions were asked several times in c.o.l.* in last two
months but I've never seen an answer.  Therefore, I will post a summary
if I get the answer.

If you do followup, please send an e-mail copy to me as my site has one
week news delay. :-(
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From: smilie@lsupoz.apana.org.au (Anthony Rumble)
Subject: Anyone know how to get space left from stdio input stream?
Date: 15 Aug 1994 23:44:00 +1000

I need to find a good way to find if the stdio input stream is 
empty or not..

Please respond via e-mail..

Thanx

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From: heistp@brtph602.bnr.ca (Pete Heist P275)
Subject: Re: Suggestion for Linux
Date: 15 Aug 1994 13:43:23 GMT
Reply-To: heistp@bnr.ca

In article <32nq3f$b8u@eccdb1.pms.ford.com>, bnivi@eth234.eld.ford.com (B Nivi (Babak)/9409) writes:
|> On HP-UX, say you have a directory with the following files
|> 
|> junk.gs fool.c idiot.gz
|> 
|> Now, I don't know if this is a function of the shell, the OS
|> or what but if at any point in the shell I type in the letter 
|> j followed by an escape key, I will see the filename junk.gs in
|> the shell.  So if I type c-a-t j-ESCAPE, I will see
|> 
|> cat junk.gs
|> 
|> Likewise with the other filenames.  This can save a fair bit
|> of typing.  This can also help verify filenames for me, for
|> example, if I'm in /junk/idiot/moron and I want to cat something
|> that is in /junk/ass/stupid but I'm not totally sure of its name
|> I can type cat junk/ass/stupid/f followed by an escape and the
|> f will expand to a filename starting with f if such a file
|> exists in that directory.  Obviously, there are some rules
|> behind this that I haven't considered but that can be
|> worked out. 

"File completion", as it's called, comes standard in the "bash" shell.  Just
get that, use it as your shell, and hit tab instead of escape and it will
match filenames.  Other shells may do this as well.

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    nic.funet.fi				pub/OS/Linux
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    sunsite.unc.edu				pub/Linux

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