Subject: Linux-Development Digest #888
From: Digestifier <Linux-Development-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Mon, 4 Jul 94 22:13:04 EDT

Linux-Development Digest #888, Volume #1          Mon, 4 Jul 94 22:13:04 EDT

Contents:
  Re: verbose xxgdb error (Robert Mayer - Student)
  Re: www binaries (Patrick Schaaf)
  Re: Can DOSEMU execute a unix shell or program?? (Dietmar Braun)
  Re: Frame grabbers and Linux: is it possible? (Sascha Klein)
  Re: Need help making Shared Libs (Claus Schroeter)
  Dead shells with 1.1.23! (Thomas Boutell)
  Re: pico editor (ILAN GRAIFER)
  Re: Cyrix Cx486DRx^2 33/66GP 386-33 to 486-66 Upgrade Will it work? (ChrisD16)
  Re: Wine mailing list (Fred N. van Kempen)
  inportb and outportb under linux (Augustyn  Robert)
  How to use CAP60p192 with Appletalk-Printer ????? (HIGGINS@DELBOX.ZER.DE)
  Cyberman anyone? (Daniel Garcia)
  Re: System lock ups: NCR 53c810 driver problem? (Drew Eckhardt)
  Intel EtherExpress ethernet drivers in alpha ? (Austin Donnelly)
  e@mail of LinuX CDROM publisher wanted (Steffen W. Schilke)
  Re: IP_OPTIONS support (Alan Cox)
  Re: Linux seems to perform terribly for large directories (Alan Cox)
  Re: NetBEUI (Alan Cox)
  Re: NetBEUI (Alan Cox)
  Re: NetBEUI (Alan Cox)
  Re: Multicasting. (Alan Cox)
  Re: DosEmu suggestion (Alan Cox)
  BSD 4.4 Lite (David Neal)
  Help on bootdisk for NCR53c810 PCI SCSI (Wen-Liang Huang)

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From: robert@par.univie.ac.at (Robert Mayer - Student)
Subject: Re: verbose xxgdb error
Date: 4 Jul 1994 13:56:23 GMT

In article <2v4g42$l9j@clarknet.clark.net>, dwmoore@clark.net (Daniel W. Moore) writes:
|>  
|> Hi,
|> 
|> Does anyone know why xxgdb would produce the following error on      
|> _every_ attempt at a run, step, cont, etc. ?
|>                                                          
|>     [tcsetpgrp failed in terminal_inferior: Not a typewriter]
|> 
|> It only does this under xxgdb ; gdb by itself behaves a bit better.
|>                                                                   
|> Actually, xxgdb is quite a spiffy tool, if if weren't for this one
|> rather annoying trait. 
|> 
|> I am using Slackware 1.2.0, Linux kernel 1.0.8, XFree 2.0, and            
|> xxgdb 1.08 with GDB 4.12.
|>     
|> TIA,
|>        Dan                                 
|> 
|> dwmoore@clark.net    ----     ( aggh what a GUI mess!! )


The problem is: Before xxgdb exec()s gdb, it calls setpgrp(), which doesn't
create a new session. So gdb will not be the session leader, and therefore
is not allowed to do a ioctl(..., TIOCSETPGRP, ...).
Solution: replace setpgrp() by setsid(), and make sure that gdb's controlling
tty is the pty that xxgdb opens.

If this doesn't help, I can send patches for xxgdb 1.08.

Regards,
Robert


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From: bof@wg.saar.de (Patrick Schaaf)
Subject: Re: www binaries
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 15:17:46 GMT

root@myhost.subdomain.domain (root) writes:

>Anyone know where the binaries or source for the text version of mosaic
>are? Hpw the hell fo you use irc?

You should probably get the docs on your news system first - your
mail address is bogus.

Everything you are asking for works, as far as I know (i.e. it works
for me), without Linux specific modifications, from the original
sources (which you can certainly locate using archie).

comp.os.linux.development is about the worst group to ask for that.

Patrick

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From: braun@math20.Mathematik.Uni-Bielefeld.DE (Dietmar Braun)
Subject: Re: Can DOSEMU execute a unix shell or program??
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 14:01:25 GMT

In article <CsC0qC.J82@hermes.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de>, rabe@mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de (Matthias Rabe) writes:
[...]
|> >It is not too difficult to do that.  Just write a small shell script that
|> >writes the command in a .BAT file, and include a call to that .BAT file
|> >in the AUTOEXEC.BAT, followed by a delete of the .BAT file.
|> >
|> >something like:
|> >
|> >#!/bin/sh
|> >echo $* >/dos/start.bat
|> >exec dos
|> 
|> And what, if you run two such jobs about the same time...?
[...]
          Hello everybody
  No problem at all when you use the redirector of dosemu.
It is possible to redirect a drive letter to a linux path given by an 
environment variable. 

So i have a shell script DOS which does something like 
 mkdir /tmp/dos.$$
 DOSTMP=/tmp/dos.$$; export DOSTMP
 and then a little trick to get "echo $* > $DOSTMP/startup.bat" really working
 (actually a small C Program which turns '/' in '\' and terminates
 lines correctly for messy dos with cr/lf pairs and adds ^Z at the end
 of the file)

 creates startup files, links and so on in this directory
 and then starts dosemu. Within autoexec.bat drive c: is redirected
from hdimage to this tmp-directory, which has links for $HOME and $PWD

So if i want to see my filenames shortened to 8.3 i can type
DOS dir
and i get my current directory "listing" 

So i have full DOS multi user (I don't have any DOS partition and redirecting
to linux preserves user permissions) and multi tasking. (dosemu sessions
are completely independent)
I did this once to be able to use a dos driver for my printer. My printcap df
is actually a DOS program. So you can even make DOS executables act as lpr 
filter. 

      Ciao  
           Didi
=====
Dietmar Braun; University of Bielefeld
                             (finger braun@math20.mathematik.uni-bielefeld.de)

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From: sklein@ramz.ing.tu-bs.de (Sascha Klein)
Subject: Re: Frame grabbers and Linux: is it possible?
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 14:41:58 GMT

In article <9407011132.AA18843@ipvvis.unipv.it>, rubini@ipvvis.UNIPV.IT 
(Alessandro Rubini) writes:
|> We are looking to buy a frame grabber for our lab: the PC products are quite
|> attractive and cheap, but we won't shoot ourselves by running windoze or such.
|> We'd better have support for two concurrent cameras and for storing sequences,
|> if available.
|> 
|> So my questions:
|> - Is there a driver for any of the available grabbers out there?
|> - Either, are there docs about the software interface so to write the
|>      driver ourselves?
|> 
|> Please, help me bringing a linux box in the lab ;-)
|> 
|> Thankyou in advance
|> /alessandro

I am programming the DT2861 (Data Translation) frame grabber board. There is
no driver, so i have to programm the board myself. This is not very
difficult, because the documentation from Data Translation is very good. I
have a complete description of the registers of the board and some examples
for programming.

Sascha Klein

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From: clausi@chemie.fu-berlin.de (Claus Schroeter)
Subject: Re: Need help making Shared Libs
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 14:53:33 GMT

davesimp@po.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (David Simpson) writes:


>I would like to build some shared libraries but I am having troubling
>finding the right documentation for this.  I don't have a man page
>for 'ld' either.  Thanks in advance,
>
>Dave
>---
>David Simpson
>davesimp@cory.berkeley.edu
>http://www-plateau.cs.berkeley.edu/people/davesimp/dave.html

hi dave,

look at the documentation for the dll tools availiable somewhere
in the GCC/source directory on tsx-11 or sunsite. there is a primer
to writing shared libraries.

best wishes
clausi

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From: boutell@netcom.com (Thomas Boutell)
Subject: Dead shells with 1.1.23!
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 15:17:10 GMT

[I've looked at the 1.1.24 patch and strongly suspect it's unrelated.]

I've always had a bunch of xterms kick in during my .xinitrc. This has
never been a problem previously. But since I upgraded from 1.1.12
to 1.1.23, one or two xterms out of ten or so always fail. The
window manager asks me to position a tiny window, which goes
away immediately. 

Most bizarre of all, today my "Console" xterm (which should come
up running nothing) came up running vim on a file that should
have been running in another xterm, which never appeared.
When I hit a key or two, the xterm filled itself with garbage
instead.

Everything else is fine -- I have had no other problems
with 1.1.23.

WHAT in the WORLD is going on? I've watched for reports of
similar problems, but seen none.

I realize this is a bleeding-edge version and that I can simply
downgrade, but I'll keep upgrading for now and try to assist
in debugging. So this is a bug report, not a flame.

-T
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From: cs922080@ariel.cs.yorku.ca (ILAN GRAIFER)
Subject: Re: pico editor
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 14:46:18 GMT

In article <2v7vad$g8h@condor.ic.net>,
root <root@myhost.subdomain.domain> wrote:
>Anyone Heard of it???
>
>I would love the source code for it, or binaries, or any other
>Idiot proof editor for my mail programs to use.
>
>
>Thanks
>
>tim@systel.com

You can find it in ftp.cac.washington.edu:/mail/UNIX-BINARIES/pico-bin.linux

The source is part of the pine source distribution, located in 
ftp.cac.washington.edu:/mail/pine3.89.tar.Z

A new release of pine is planned in the very near future, and it might 
include a new version of pico as well.

Ilan

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From: chrisd16@aol.com (ChrisD16)
Subject: Re: Cyrix Cx486DRx^2 33/66GP 386-33 to 486-66 Upgrade Will it work?
Date: 4 Jul 1994 12:18:01 -0400

In article <sinkr.772853972@universe>, sinkr@universe.digex.net
(Robert Sink) writes:

Hi,

The Cyrix DRx and DLC and SLC chips are CPUs only.  They all have a
1k cache which improves performance significantly (85% cache hits). 
If you need a math co-processor, you will need to purchase one
separately.  Also, be careful out there, there are at least two
different upgrades to a 486/66 (IBM 486slc/66 and Cyrix DRu^2/66). 
The Cyrix is a full 32 bit processor, the IBM is a 16 bit processor. 
Also, you will need to check whether or not your system can turn on
the cache.  If it can't you may need the Cyrix patches for boot up to
enable the cache.  Or use Cx486.exe and loadlin to run Linux from
MS-DOS.

Chris

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From: waltje@bacall.aris.com (Fred N. van Kempen)
Subject: Re: Wine mailing list
Date: 4 Jul 1994 16:33:37 GMT

Robert Adams (robert@oblique.ksmith.com) wrote:

:       Where is the current version of wine comilable for linux located?
FTP.ARIS.COM:/pub/linux/ALPHA/Wine/*

: also i have heard of a wind mailing list..  could anyone tell me the address.
WINE-REQUEST@Aris.COM.

Fred
--
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ARIS Technology, Inc                                          waltje@aris.com

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    "Please forgive me, I can't stop loving you..."
      "Don't deny me, this pain I'm going through..."
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From: august1@server.uwindsor.ca (Augustyn  Robert)
Subject: inportb and outportb under linux
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 17:36:01 GMT



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From: HIGGINS@DELBOX.ZER.DE
Subject: How to use CAP60p192 with Appletalk-Printer ?????
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 1994 04:57:00 +0200

Frank Westheider         Linux Support Group Paderborn
higgins@uni-paderborn.de     higgins@delbox.zer
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hi Folks.

I just installed the CAP60-package to use appletalk with linux.
I want to connect a EFI-FIERY-Appletalk-Printer with my linux-box to
print postscript-documents direct. Unter DOS i use a appletalk-gate under  
novell.
This is the configuration :



   DOS/Linux            NOVELL-Server                          EFI-FIERY
   IPX/ TCP-IP            IPX
   CAP                    Appletalk                            Appletalk
   |                         |                                        |
   --------------------------------------------------------------------

Where can i find the Appletalk-Net-Number of the EFI-Fiery ????
How do i have to configure /etc/atalk.local /etc/etalk.local ?????

Any hints ??



Ciao
  Higgins

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From: kender@spawn.erinet.com (Daniel Garcia)
Subject: Cyberman anyone?
Date: 4 Jul 1994 20:11:06 GMT
Reply-To: kender@eri.erinet.com

Does anyone out there know if someone has written a cyberman device driver
for linux?  If not - I'm considering doing it - if it has been done, 
could someone please point me to where I can get it , thanks!

D

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From: drew@frisbee.cs.Colorado.EDU (Drew Eckhardt)
Subject: Re: System lock ups: NCR 53c810 driver problem?
Date: 4 Jul 1994 20:25:50 GMT

In article <SO5PB9WF@gwdu03.gwdg.de>,
Lutz Pressler <Lutz.Pressler@Med-Stat.GWDG.DE> wrote:
>Hello,
>
>first of all many thanks to Drew Eckhardt for writing the NCR PCI driver.
>I'm afraid I have to report some kind of (disturbing) bug though:
>with the NCR chip enabled and that driver, the system sometimes (quite
>often :() locks up totally. That does not happen with an Adaptec 1542B.
>
>Details:
>
>Hardware:  DELL Omniplex 4100 system
>           - i486DX4-100, 256 kB cache
>           - PCI mainboard with NCR 53c810
>           - 32 MB RAM
>           UltraVision (?) graphics (Mach64 (or 32?), 2 MB VRAM
>          3com 3c509 Ethernet card
>          DEC DSP3107LS  1 GB SCSI disk
>
>Jun 25 21:21:55 cortex kernel: scsi0 : impossible phase mismatch in data
>transfer.

This is where the actual error occurs.  For some reason, you're getting 
a NCR PHASE MISMATCH interrupt with the new phase being MSGIN, with the 
DSP currently pointing within the dynamically generated code which 
does the data transfer to an instruction which the driver doesn't think is 
a BLOCK MOVE instruction.

The code which did abortions correctly got lost, and therefore wasn't
in the first driver release (don't ask) so after the NCR driver attempted
to abort the connection, bad things happened.

>Any idea if this is a bug in the NCR driver? 

It is.  Try the next release of the NCR driver when I make it.  While 
it won't work either, there will be some diagnostic output which will
let me know what's going on.

>Thank you very much in advance for any solutions/patches/hints,...
>we have 10 of these systems and HAVE to use them quite soon under Linux, too.
>We don't have 9 spare 1542s though or want to buy them. To be exact,
>the other 9 have 350 (approx) MB Maxtor disks. I haven't installed Linux on
>these at all, and won't be able to do that before the Heidelberg conference
>(Thursday). 

You will probably have better luck with the other disk drives.

-- 
Drew Eckhardt drew@Colorado.EDU
1970 Landcruiser FJ40 w/350 Chevy power
1982 Yamaha XV920J Virago

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From: and1000@cus.cam.ac.uk (Austin Donnelly)
Subject: Intel EtherExpress ethernet drivers in alpha ?
Date: 4 Jul 1994 21:55:12 GMT

Can anyone point me in the direction of some kernel patches for Intel
EtherExpress cards ?   I would quite like to test any alpha/beta code
people have lying around... :)

Cheers,

Austin

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.admin,de.comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help
From: sws@tora.RoBIN.de (Steffen W. Schilke)
Subject: e@mail of LinuX CDROM publisher wanted
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 1994 11:22:23 GMT

Hi,

I am looking out for the e@mail addresses of people who publish LinuX
CD ROMs or create LinuX Distributions.

Thank you               steffen

I can post a summary

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From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: IP_OPTIONS support
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 13:56:55 GMT

In article <1994Jul1.042445.19375@unlv.edu> ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro) writes:
>Any IP_OPTIONS support yet?
Nope
>If so what kernel?
About 3 or 4 releases time.
>If not are there any plans to put it in?
Yes
>If not, any ideas how I and others should go about adding support for it?
I was planning on changing the sk_buff implementation first.
>If we do end up implementing it ourselves, would it be rejected from the 
>kernel? (If so, we won't bother :-C )
No - I'd love someone else to do it for me.... It all saves me work.

>P.S. Isn't IP_OPTIONS required by RFC 1122? Then Linux is non-compliant. 

I've yet to meet any operating system thats 1122 compliant. This is one major
non-compliance in Linux and on the fix it list.

Alan



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From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Linux seems to perform terribly for large directories
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 14:00:54 GMT

In article <Cs94z0.s9@pe1chl.ampr.org> pe1chl@rabo.nl writes:
>The directory is accessed only with linear seaches.  So, when it is
>large, it becomes exceedingly slow to access it.
>Another factor is that removing files only frees their slots, but does
>not compact the directory.  So, after that it remains as slow as it was
>until you remove and re-create the directory.

There are two issues far more significant. Firstly it does user lookups for
each file in -l mode which can be quite slow (especially with NIS running),
also unix directories are sorted, DOS ones are not.

Alan


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From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: NetBEUI
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 14:03:46 GMT

In article <2v1u6o$e88@network.cc.jyu.fi> Riku Meskanen <mesrik@jyu.fi> writes:
>I remember that once one of the Compu$erve microsoft forums had something
>about NetBEUI, NDIS, etc. I haven't visited CIS for some time so, can't 
>promise that those files still are there.

There is an X/OPEN spec for it all (same place as SAMBA is) and also IBM
sell documentation on it. 

>This is something I'm wondering too. It seems that everybody and my brother in
>law is writing filesystems for Linux, but no-one seems to be planning to add SMB
>client for the kernel. Anybody interested? I have no experience in such work so
>maybe we can found someone who has and also I have plenty of projects to go
>so let's not trust that I'll do it.

Lan Manager has no inode concept which makes things fun. Doing it as a userfs
is feasible but 'interesting'

Alan


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From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: NetBEUI
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 14:10:18 GMT

In article <1994Jul3.091443.1492@dragon.s.bawue.de> danny@dragon.s.bawue.de (Daniel T. Schwager) writes:
>If i want install linux as a filesyser (replacement for novell in little
>networks), should i use
>
>   o  Linux as a SAMBA Server
>      - running wfwg or windos-3.1 with the prog's show above on the stations

With W4WG 3.11 SAMBA is a very clean simple interface needing no new tools. It
also seems materially faster than NFS. Its certainly proving very useful here.

Alan



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From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: NetBEUI
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 14:12:11 GMT

In article <2v4i5j$nq7@Venus.mcs.com> les@MCS.COM (Leslie Mikesell) writes:
>I haven't followed the whole thread here - I hope you are aware
>of "samba" which is the server side of a netbios-over-tcp/ip
>connection, and that NETBEUI is a transport layer variation that
>would need to be supported by the network interface.
>
You can use SOCK_PACKET and drive NETBEUI in user mode. NetBEUI however
is a full 802.2 layer and very very complex to write. If someone does write
it then I'll be happy, but it _won't_ be me!

NetBIOS over tcp/ip is much more managable and just as fast.

Alan


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From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Multicasting.
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 14:12:32 GMT

In article <2v501b$bv@aurora.engr.LaTech.edu> dgarrett@orbit.cs.engr.latech.edu (Don Garrett) writes:
>  Is there multicast support under any of the linux network systems,
>or is it in the works?

In the works.
Alan



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From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: DosEmu suggestion
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 14:27:03 GMT

In article <2v6gbk$p7q@solaria.cc.gatech.edu> byron@gemini.cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff) writes:
>Well consider this: If Linux and DOSEMU share the same Enet card for TCPIP
>then essentially you're putting a network in a single box. Mui confusing
>if you have the same IP for both.

Much better would be to find the dos interrupt interface to one of the DOS
tcp/ip packages, and make that work in DOSEMU as calls to the 'real' kernel
TCP/IP linux side.

Alan


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From: dneal@sugar.NeoSoft.COM (David Neal)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.mach
Subject: BSD 4.4 Lite
Date: 4 Jul 1994 20:44:49 -0500


My apologies for a global posting, and to two newsgroups no less!

I'm desperately searching for the BSD 4.4 Lite FTP site that
was posted to comp.os.linux.development or comp.os.mach.

I've already tried archie, my news-server, my News directory,
and any place else it might be squirreled away. No luck.


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``But as I said, it's speculation on my part, not "the truth".'' 
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.admin,de.comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help
From: wlhuang@gn.ecn.purdue.edu (Wen-Liang Huang)
Subject: Help on bootdisk for NCR53c810 PCI SCSI
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 1994 01:52:23 GMT

Does anybody out there remember details how you make your 
Linux bootdisk work for NCR53C810 SCSI PCI BIOS?
Please email me.  Thanks in advance.

Wenliang Huang

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