Subject: Linux-Development Digest #862
From: Digestifier <Linux-Development-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
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Date:     Mon, 27 Jun 94 12:13:13 EDT

Linux-Development Digest #862, Volume #1         Mon, 27 Jun 94 12:13:13 EDT

Contents:
  Future Domain TMC-881? (Richard Whittaker)
  Re: Frustrated with new kernels (David Miller)
  Re: Major device number clash (iCS) (Alan Cox)
  Writing X Apps Help (JASON KAROL)
  Wine mailing list (Robert Adams)
  Re: IBM Token Ring skeleton driver available (Harald Milz)
  Module-izing the floppy driver? (Harald T. Alvestrand)
  Re: NNTP packages on sunsite (yuan)
  Re: [Q] Partitioning 1.2G SCSI disk; AKA fdisk eats start of partition. (The Green Dragon)
  I've found a bug in tcsh (Stuart Cunningham)
  [Q] modutils-0.99.15, kernel 1.1.0 (Reinhard Schiedermeier)
  Re: [Q] modutils-0.99.15, kernel 1.1.0 (Reinhard Schiedermeier)
  FDDI on Linux ? (Zenon Fortuna)
  DMA literature?? (Bernd Mielke)
  [Q] NE2100 and carrier errors ? (R.C.Van-Den-Bergh)
  Re: computer science (Kent A Vander Velden)
  Re: FDDI on Linux ? (Alan Cox)
  Re: Quirky idea: Remote V (John Will)
  Re: Quirky idea: Remote Virtual Consoles (Andrew Anderson)

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
From: rwhittak@orion.docwhitehorse.doc.ca (Richard Whittaker)
Subject: Future Domain TMC-881?
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 94 04:27:14 GMT

Hi there from Whitehorse!..

Has *ANYONE* out ther suceeded in getting the Future Domain TMC-881 working
with Linux?.. I've got one with 210MB worth of harrdisk space that I've been
unable to access for the last two years, and would like to know if there is
anyone out there who has suceeded in getting this controller to work. I got
a message saying that I should change some bits around, which I did, and
that made no difference (the controller is recognized as an ST-01/ST-02, but
the drives themselves (Toshiba MK234FBs aren't being seen by the Kernel
(they are seen by the controller at boot time)..

If *anyone* has any help on this, *please* E-Mail me, I'd really appreciate
hearing about it.. 

Thanks in advance...

                                        Cheers,
                                        Rich W.

--
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  Internet E-Mail: rwhittak@orion.docwhitehorse.doc.ca 
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From: davem@eden.rutgers.edu (David Miller)
Subject: Re: Frustrated with new kernels
Date: 24 Jun 94 18:23:57 GMT

Brad Midgley (bmidgley@peruvian.cs.utah.edu) wrote:
: Rob Janssen (rob@pe1chl.ampr.org) wrote:
: : atoenne@mpi-sb.mpg.de (Andreas Toenne) writes:

: : >At the heart of my problem lies the *EMPTY* Changes list for Linux >= 1.0.0

: : But Russ Nelson has posted such lists for some time!
: : Are they archived somewhere?  Would there be some way to get them included
: : in the README, e.g. at the release after the one it refers to?

: Is there any reason that the changes lists can't be posted to
: comp.os.linux.announce? 

: Maybe it's not in the .announce charter to announce alpha software,
: but it seems like we constantly see announcements there for other
: programs which are less stable than the bleeding-edge kernel...

: I realize nobody wants to encourage casual users to follow the latest
: kernel (and post endlessly with configuration/compilation problems).
: It would be nice to see the changes list for the 1.0.* releases
: posted in .announce anyway.

: --
: bmidgley@peruvian.cs.utah.edu

        If you join the kernel mailing list at niksula.hut.fi, Linus
usually announces what has been added or changed in the patch he is
putting up. He does this if he has the time, which is the main point,
these guys are working so feverishly to code this stuff togeather that
they have little or no time to write down every change they make.
Also, just reading most of the posts on the kernel mailing list will
give you a very good idea of where the changes are mainly directed in
the latest kernel patches.
        I realize that this is not a feasible for people who just want
to patch+compile+go and know what has changed, but again, these are
ALPHA kernels and should be treated as such.
        Any problem I have had with alpha kernels was fixed real quick
because it usually was a problem for others and thus Linus released
the next patchlevel the next day.

Later,
David S. Miller
davem@eden.rutgers.edu

p.s. try to get that kind of response from SUn/Solaris/DEC!

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From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Major device number clash (iCS)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 18:17:24 GMT

In article <1994Jun24.121813.28051@kf8nh.wariat.org> bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) writes:
>Huh?  Then why is it distributed with such a low limit?  Seems pretty silly to
>me...

Cos last time someone set it 32 was a ludicrously big number. People keep
writing drivers

Alan


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From: picl34@fsphy1.physics.fsu.edu (JASON KAROL)
Subject: Writing X Apps Help
Date: 23 Jun 1994 18:00 EST
Reply-To: picl34@fsphy1.physics.fsu.edu

Anybody know a good online (via ftp, etc) source of examples I can study
to get a start on writing X apps? I've already tried to find a good manual
to buy, but there are no books dealing with XWindows OR programming in this
town, so I need something else to look at. Thanks a bunch...

Jay 
===========================================================
Jason G. Karol         |
Florida State          |    "Resistance is Futile"
PICL34                 |        - Locutus to Riker
FSPHY1.PHYSICS.FSU.EDU |
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From: robert@oblique.ksmith.com (Robert Adams)
Subject: Wine mailing list
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 02:21:11 GMT


        Where is the current version of wine comilable for linux located?

also i have heard of a wind mailing list..  could anyone tell me the address.

Thanks..   I few people i know are very interested in this..

Robert
-- 
Robert Adams.                                   still wanting a good .signature
                                                    adamsr@hamlet.uncg.edu
It's just me!!!!!                                  robert@oblique.ksmith.com


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From: hm@seneca.ix.de (Harald Milz)
Subject: Re: IBM Token Ring skeleton driver available
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 1994 22:44:04 GMT
Reply-To: hm@seneca.ix.de

Mark Swanson (mswanson@borg.ott.ca) wrote:
: > Awhile back - (long) I wrote an IBM Token Ring device
: > driver capable of working with ANY IBM token ring card 
: > MCA or otherwise (if Linux was going to work on MCA...)

Mark, I tried to mail you but mail keeps being bounced - borg.ott.ca
seems to be unknown to mail.germany.eu.net... Please mail me. THX. 

-- 
Harald Milz                             office: hm@ix.de
iX Multiuser Multitasking Magazine      home:   hm@seneca.ix.de
Opinions are mine, not my employer's -- the answer is Forty-two


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From: hta@uninett.no (Harald T. Alvestrand)
Subject: Module-izing the floppy driver?
Date: 24 Jun 1994 20:12:59 GMT

Hi,
question:
Has anyone made the floppy driver into a loadable module?
I've got a floppy that is a bit weird (connected via a PCMCIA card,
so it might go away and come back while Linux is running), and would
like to mess around with the floppy driver a bit.

Loadable modules seem to make for easier debugging than recompiling
the whole kernel and rebooting. (It took 12 kernel recompiles to find
out that the PCMCIA card that I was trying would *not* work.....)

Next question: If not, why not? :-) (that is, could anyone call
it out as easy/difficult/impossible?)

-- 
                   Harald Tveit Alvestrand
                Harald.T.Alvestrand@uninett.no
      G=Harald;I=T;S=Alvestrand;O=uninett;P=uninett;C=no
                      +47 73 59 70 94
My son's name is Torbjxrn. The letter between "j" and "r" is o with a slash.

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From: yuan@hntp2.HiNet.Net (yuan)
Subject: Re: NNTP packages on sunsite
Date: 27 Jun 1994 07:19:41 GMT

Steve Brown (steve@unicorn.dungeon.com) wrote:
: Hi folks,
:    I have been trying to use nntp from sunsite and discovered that you could
: not post articles upstream unless your upstream had specifically set you up
: as a 'feed' ( ie not a regular end user ). But, if you are a feed then you
: have use nntpxmit, not nntpxfer. Problem - nntpxmit uses the IHAVE command, 
: which for my feed did not work, and in any case, I am not a feed, I am an
: end user who wants to download a few groups at once for offline reading.
: nntpxfer does that just fine, BUT, it wont post. So, to that end I have coded
: a patch to nntpxfer which enables posting. If there is demand for it I will
: happily upload it to sunsite or post the patch here. The code is ugly, but it
: works :) ( This article has been posted using it ).

: If you dont understand what I mean, but think you may have a need to post
: news using nntpxfer then feel free to mail me for more details.
: Steve.

  I reply publicly in the hope that your will upload it sunsite
or anywhere you feel conviniently.  I have a need to use nntpxfer
now and I have been using active nntp link like 'nntplink' for a
while.

--
;OFW0j 4?7g7=

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From: dragon@boi.hp.com (The Green Dragon)
Subject: Re: [Q] Partitioning 1.2G SCSI disk; AKA fdisk eats start of partition.
Date: 27 Jun 1994 07:43:55 GMT

Kevin Greiner (greiner@NeoSoft) wrote:
: The following is from a recent post.  A followup would have taken the subject
: too far from the original topic.

: >A) You must not have a primary partition extending beyond cylinder 1023
: >or the start of your disk will get eaten
: >B) Your kernel must fall within a partition below cylinder 1024 so that
: >LILO can load it.

[stuff deleted]

I've heard of rule (B) but I'm confused (and concerned) about rule (A).

I have a disk with 1910 Cylinders.  I've partitioned it with 4 partitions:

        500 Meg  primary
        500 Meg  primary
         50 Meg  SWAP
        860 Meg  primary

I haven't had any problems, but I haven't come close to filling it up yet.
Is is going to "blow up" if I do?

Dan T.

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From: shcun1@aurora.cc.monash.edu.au (Stuart Cunningham)
Subject: I've found a bug in tcsh
Date: 27 Jun 1994 07:47:12 GMT

  I have a script which makes makefiles.  It occasionally appends a
space, backslash, newline to the makefile so dependency lists can be
split up over many lines.  It does this by the following csh command:
        echo ' \' >>! $Makefile

surprisingly, when I ran this script under linux's tcsh (from the
slackware distribution), instead of appending " \", it appended a space
then ASCII zero.  When I changed the line to:
        echo ' \ ' >>! $Makefile
the result was as expected (space, backslash, space). 
  Has anyone noticed this before? Who should be notified about fixing
it?

  Stuart Cunningham

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From: Reinhard.Schiedermeier@deejai.mch.sni.de (Reinhard Schiedermeier)
Subject: [Q] modutils-0.99.15, kernel 1.1.0
Date: 27 Jun 1994 10:51:28 GMT

Hi!

I have a strange problem using modutils-0.99.15 and a 1.1.0 kernel.
I compiled modutils fresh from the sources.
When I try to load the demo module (hello or something like this)
I get undefined symbols, e.g. _printk.
What do I do wrong?
Am I the only one with this problem?

--Schiedi

ps: I have used the modutils successfully with earlier kernels
like 0.99.4*.

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From: Reinhard.Schiedermeier@deejai.mch.sni.de (Reinhard Schiedermeier)
Subject: Re: [Q] modutils-0.99.15, kernel 1.1.0
Date: 27 Jun 1994 10:53:08 GMT

I just recognized this is the wrong newsgroup.
Sorry for this!
--Schiedi

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From: zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna)
Subject: FDDI on Linux ?
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 1994 23:35:18 GMT

I need comments about possibility to implement the FDDI networking under Linux.
In particular I would be grateful about any info on the following issues:

1. Is anybody working on the FDDI networking under Linux ?
2. What would be the programming effort to implement the FDDI networking
    - estimation of programming time (some man-weeks or some man-months ?)
    - does there exist any group of programmers which could make the job
      on, say, contract basis ?
3. Which FDDI cards are available to start with programming ?
4. Is FDDI networking implemented under BSDI, or NetBSD or FreeBSD ?

I would appreciate answers in a form of e-mail messages, which I would summarize
after, say, a week.
Thanks,

        zenon@netcom.com

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From: mielke@omega.physik.fu-berlin.de (Bernd Mielke)
Subject: DMA literature??
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 08:54:15 GMT

I have a board with the possibility to use DMA transfer. But in the kernel-
hackers-guide and other sources, which I have seen there is not so much 
information about DMA.  On the other side some drivers use DMA so I would
like ot get a recommendation, where the DMA programming is well described.

Bernd

mielke@omega.physik.fu-berlin.de
 


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From: rcv@ukc.ac.uk (R.C.Van-Den-Bergh)
Subject: [Q] NE2100 and carrier errors ?
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 94 12:27:16 GMT

Hi,

I have just installed a brand new NE2100, and recompiled the Kernel to use
the LANCE driver.  Using it a little while, I found that /proc/net/dev
complained about an _enourmous_ amount of carrier errors. (5000 TX, 6000+
errors).

I used a NE2000 before and had no such trouble.  Is my card, the driver or
the wire broken ?  What IS a carrier error in ethernet (the kernel code
isn't very clear on where the error gets set).

Is this normal ?  I hope not.

Thanks,
        Cedric
--
        Zhaumer, High Priest of Amalgaer, the dwarven God of Something. 

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From: graphix@iastate.edu (Kent A Vander Velden)
Subject: Re: computer science
Date: 27 Jun 94 01:16:34 GMT

In <1.9798.2382.0N27D234@dscmail.com> john.will@dscmail.com (John Will) writes:

>CR>For a programming job (entry level)  you need to know C++
>CR>(in 1994.  By the time you get a degree everyone will be
>CR>using something else:  Murphy's Law), and
>CR>you need to be able to demonstrate your ability to handle 
>CR>>30,000 line projects.  Many companies look for a diverse
>CR>background, it's not enough to know C++ and UNIX, you should
>CR>be proficient in at least three (at least one that the interviewer
>CR>has never heard of, and two that he has) other operating systems
>CR>(MS-DOS doesn't count unless you are looking for a loser job).

>I am constantly amused by the carping about MS-DOS users in these
>newsgroups, and the mis-information that is spread.  In point of fact,
>you are so wrong as to be amusing.  If you are looking for a guaranteed
>job, DOS/Windows is the place to look, there are far more opportunities
>for work in that arena.  Would it be more fun to program in some other
>environment?  Maybe, but it'll be harder to find employment...  I think
>there are many operating environments that have a place in the world of
>computing today, to dismiss the largest by far is ridiculous.  You should
>really consider pulling your head out of the sand.  The first job you
>take doesn't have to be for the rest of your life, the first order of
>business is to hit the ground running.

I have to agree.  My favorite environment to develop clients in is by far Unix
but this environment is not making me much money.  Now if I was independently
wealthy maybe I would not care but my school bills, in addition to others, are
calling me loud.  I have been considering very strongly the last few weeks
beginning to develop clients for Microsoft Windows.

Oh well, maybe someday the world will change but for now....

-- 
Kent Vander Velden                          Project Vincent
graphix@iastate.edu                         System Operations
                                            Student Development Group
                                            Engineering Animation, Inc.

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From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: FDDI on Linux ?
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 1994 11:59:41 GMT

In article <1994Jun26.233518.28274@resonex.com> zenon@resonex.com (Zenon Fortuna) writes:
>1. Is anybody working on the FDDI networking under Linux ?

Not to my knowledge. 
>2. What would be the programming effort to implement the FDDI networking
>    - estimation of programming time (some man-weeks or some man-months ?)
>    - does there exist any group of programmers which could make the job
>      on, say, contract basis ?
Hard to say, drivers to me at least are 99% witchcraft, the layer above
for FDDI is unpleasant in places but not insurmountable. 
>3. Which FDDI cards are available to start with programming ?
I haven't seen any for ages. Everyone seems to have gone twisted pair/ethernet
/ATM hub crazy instead.
>4. Is FDDI networking implemented under BSDI, or NetBSD or FreeBSD ?
Not to my knowledge.

Alan

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Subject: Re: Quirky idea: Remote V
From: john.will@dscmail.com (John Will)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 94 07:55:00 -0640

BR>I meant for it to support multiple VC's. In fact if it worked properly
BR>it would look and act exactly like the Linux console.

Sounds like SCREEN...

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From: andersoa@news.db.erau.edu (Andrew Anderson)
Subject: Re: Quirky idea: Remote Virtual Consoles
Date: 27 Jun 1994 13:28:15 GMT

Jeff Randall (randall@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu) wrote:
: byron@gemini.cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff) writes:

: >I meant for it to support multiple VC's. In fact if it worked properly
: >it would look and act exactly like the Linux console.

: A suggestion to prevent re-writing the wheel... 

: grab any of the avialable Telnet packages available for DOS.

: In particular, CUTCP and NCSA Telnet both support multiple sessions from the same
: keyboard (switching with Alt-N and Alt-l).  Grab one of 'em and a packet driver
: and you're all set.

Yeah, but you don't get the Alt key and most function keys...

Although I think the NCSA does distribute the source code, so this
might be a skeleton to start with...I might start looking into this,
because this would make DOSEMU more telnet-friendly, with colors
and such. 

BTW, kudos to the DOSEMU team...0.52 is a great improvement!

--
|===========================================================================|
|  Andrew Anderson                              andersoa@erau.db.erau.edu   |
|  Novell Network System Administrator          andersoa@bart.db.erau.edu   |
|  Linux System Administrator                   andrew@wilbur.db.erau.edu   |
|                                                                           |
| I don't speak for ERAU, and God knows I don't want them to speak for me!  | 
|===========================================================================|

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