Subject: Linux-Development Digest #714
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Date:     Thu, 12 May 94 21:13:10 EDT

Linux-Development Digest #714, Volume #1         Thu, 12 May 94 21:13:10 EDT

Contents:
  Special plea to all developers and ftp sites... (Disaster prone simpleton)
  Re: Special plea to all developers and ftp sites... (Jon Tombs)
  Accessing a Linux partition from MS-DOS (Matthias Tymrakiewicz)
  Re: SLIP bitch (John Henders)
  Re: Kernel Split (1.0 vs 1.1) where to go? (Rob Janssen)
  Re: Booting from CD-ROM, was: [Announcement] 386BSD Release 1.0 (Rob Janssen)
  Re: Linux 1.0.8 SLOWER than .99pl13 !! (Rob Janssen)
  Re: Where's Linus? (Rob Janssen)
  Help about sound-driver for P.D. program needed (Michele Rubert 325354/IL)
  Help about sound-driver for P.D. program needed (Michele Rubert 325354/IL)
  Re: COMMODORE CALLS IT QUITS (Charles Rutledge)
  Help about sound-driver for P.D. program needed or Voxware more do (Michele Rubert 325354/IL)
  Re: Special plea to all developers and ftp sites... (Jonathan Magid)
  Re: Terminator-Power Question (Rob Janssen)
  Stargate Cards:/HOSTESS cards?? (Charlie Wyble (PROG))
  Re: 1.1.12 lockup/crash (Alan Cox)
  Kerberized utilities needed (Gene McManus)
  Re: Compressed filesystem??? (Andrew R. Tefft)

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Subject: Special plea to all developers and ftp sites...
From: m91dps@ecs.ox.ac.uk (Disaster prone simpleton)
Date: 11 May 94 18:31:17 GMT

For those of us who have to use mess-dos 1440K discs to transfer stuff to
our boxen, please could people split stuff larger that 1400K into several
archives 1400K or less each. It would save people like me a lot of hassle.

Duncan (-:
Thanks 1E6 to everyone who takes this advince
     /\
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Just when you thought it was safe to enter the water....

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From: jon@robots.ox.ac.uk (Jon Tombs)
Subject: Re: Special plea to all developers and ftp sites...
Reply-To: jon@gtex02.us.es
Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 08:55:29 GMT

In article <1994May11.183120.22756@oxvaxd>,
Disaster prone simpleton <m91dps@ecs.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
>For those of us who have to use mess-dos 1440K discs to transfer stuff to
>our boxen, please could people split stuff larger that 1400K into several
>archives 1400K or less each. It would save people like me a lot of hassle.

Why do you need to use mess-dos 1440K discs? if you are using a sun (and
I happen to know there are 60 odd in the ugrad lounge up there), then use
gnu tar and the -M option, you can then read them back under linux at home.

If you are downloading onto a PC, boot from a linux boot/ram diskette and
then use gnu tar to write the multi volume diskettes.

splitting big files would be a major inconveniance to most of us!

Jon.

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From: matt@cip.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de (Matthias Tymrakiewicz)
Subject: Accessing a Linux partition from MS-DOS
Date: 10 May 1994 08:52:15 GMT

Does anyone know a MS-DOS program or driver to access a linux partition
directly? It would be enough if it could read the linux partion at least.
There are much linux stuff such as c++-libraries of the GNU-Compiler
that could be also used by DOS compilers for example.
I would appreciate any suggestions, programming tips and hints
or sources where to find an executable program or driver to
solve this problem.

My second question is:
is it possible to simulate hard or symbolic links in MS-DOS?
Have anyone an idea about programming such thing or where I can
find a driver?

Thanks for any suggestions...
========
Matthias
[no sig]


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From: jhenders@jonh.wimsey.com (John Henders)
Subject: Re: SLIP bitch
Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 06:51:34 GMT

darus@MCS.COM (Jim Wygralak) writes:

>His assertation is that MY end of the SLIP link shouldnt need to know
>what the IP address of the OTHER end is.
>I have some software that runs under DOS (ka9q networking package)
>that works just that way. It couldnt care less what the IP address of the
>system at the other end of the phone line is.

        Here's the relevant part of the dipp script I use, which as you will
notice, grabs both $remote and $local. This works fine with the dip in the
latest Slackware. It starts after the chat has succeeded and we are logged
in.

loggedin:
 
  wait ( 10
  if $errlvl != 0 goto error

  get $remote remote 10
  if $errlvl != 0 goto error

  wait to 10
  if $errlvl != 0 goto error

  get $local remote 10
  if $errlvl != 0 goto error

  # Set up the SLIP operating parameters.
  get $mtu 576

  # Set Destination net/address as type 'default' (vice an address).
  # This is used by the 'route' command to set the kernel routing table.
  # Some machines seem to require this be done for SLIP to work properly.
  default

  # Say hello and fire up!
done:
  print CONNECTED to $remote with address $rmtip we are $local
  mode CSLIP
  goto exit
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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: Kernel Split (1.0 vs 1.1) where to go?
Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 10:01:00 GMT
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl

In <2qpglq$sth@panix2.panix.com> stevek@panix.com (Steve Kann) writes:

>I have been using linux for quite a while now, (since .99.12), and was
>very happy to see linux finally hit the 1.0 mark.

>I just wanted to make a few observations, and elicit a few comments
>about the (not very) recent source-code split.

I think the situation already IS as you describe...

>P.S. on the subject of maintaining a stable kernel - does anyone know
>how to reach Donald Becker becker@super.org?  there is a bug
>(apparently) in his lance.c driver, that I'd like to discuss with him -
>I tried sending mail to that address, but it has bounced.

From /usr/src/linux/CREDITS: becker@cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov
(apparently he recently changed job)

Rob
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.minix,comp.os.mach,comp.os.386bsd.development,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc
From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: Booting from CD-ROM, was: [Announcement] 386BSD Release 1.0
Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 10:08:29 GMT
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl

In <2qph9o$jov@xmission.xmission.com> vir@xmission.com (vir@45acp.slip.com) writes:

>Rob Janssen (rob@pe1chl.ampr.org) wrote:
>: In <1994May7.211614.28288@ibr.cs.tu-bs.de> rh@ramz.ing.tu-bs.de (Ruediger Helsch) writes:

>: >It is possible to boot from a CD-ROM. I made a CD with a boot block so
>: >it could be bootet from a SCSI CD-ROM hanging on an AHA1542B. But
>: >I do not know how many other SCSI adapters or CD-ROM controllers do
>: >allow this, I think even with the AHA1542C it would not work, its BIOS
>: >does simply refuse to boot a CD-ROM.

>: But what did you do to avoid the system booting from a harddisk?
>: I can understand (as I explained in another posting) that it is possible
>: to boot from a CD-ROM, at least as long as the BIOS does not explicitly
>: disallow it.  The bootcode just reads block 0 and performs some checks
>: on validity as a bootblock.
>: What I don't understand is how you can boot a CD-ROM which is at unit #1
>: (for example) while unit #0 is a harddisk.

>: Rob

>       Can't this the accomplished with lilo installed on the 1st HD and
>       the 2nd HD as the CDROM (using SCSI systems).  With lilo configured,
>       it should be able to load the linux or vmlinuz image from the
>       CDROM...  Haven't played with lilo for a while...  Maybe I'll
>       go try that tomorrow....

I would not call that 'boot from CDROM'...

I thought it would mean 'insert our CDROM in your existing system, press
RESET and it will load the system from the CD'.  Like you can do using
a floppy.
When you first need to have some software or setup on the HD, it is
essentially worthless as a method for loading a new OS.
(all other CDs either come with a boot floppy or a bootimage on the CD
and instructions on how to copy it to a floppy using another system.  that
is normally not called 'boot from CDROM' either)

Rob
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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: Linux 1.0.8 SLOWER than .99pl13 !!
Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 10:14:37 GMT
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl

In <kunitz.768653402@informatik.hu-berlin.de> kunitz@informatik.hu-berlin.de (U.Kunitz) writes:

>In <1994May4.152905.26766@sifon.cc.mcgill.ca> daveh@texlin.minmet.mcgill.ca (Dave Hinz) writes:

>>Hi :

>>I was recently testing the floating performance of the Linux Slackware
>>distribution using the clinpack.c source.  For my  486DX2-66  I had
>>previously obtained around 3.1 Mflops DP under .99pl13 but now I get
>>only 2.8 Mflops under 1.0.8 -- that's a 10% loss in performance!!!

>>For some of us floating point gurus that's a significant drop in
>>performance!  Maybe some of the kernal developers could look into it
>>and come up with some ideas about where the performance hits are
>>arising.

>>Thanks for your consideration

>Changes in the Timer-Interrupt are slowing down your system. The
>Time-Gurus wanted a patch to measure exact times with linux. The new
>Timerinterrupt consumes more processor time than the old. At the moment
>there is no possibility to switch off the adjust_timex code.

I don't believe the timer interrupt is souping up 10% of the CPU time
on a DX2-66.

What I think is happening: the returned value from gettimeofday() has
a much better resolution than before, and the benchmark program is
influenced by this.  (either it now prints a more realistic value, or
it hits a bug)

Rob
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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: Where's Linus?
Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 10:18:33 GMT
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl

In <1994May11.112522.1@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu> khockenb@vaxc.stevens-tech.edu writes:

>In article <1994May10.175557.1668@pe1chl.ampr.org>, rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen) writes:
>> however now that Linus is on a world tour, you may have better luck
>> mailing it to him and/or to the "Linux activists" mailing list.

>Would someone be willing to post Linus's itinerary on his world tour?  
>I'm sure that many people would like to by him a non-virtual beer. :-)

He posted it in the KERNEL channel but I have already deleted the message...
I believe he was giving a lecture at a DECUS meeting somewhere.

Rob
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From: brm@esse12.dei.unipd.it (Michele Rubert 325354/IL)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Help about sound-driver for P.D. program needed
Date: 12 May 1994 11:29:21 GMT

Hello,

 I'm going to releasing a P.D. program (in test version for now) that 
 I've written for DOS ,it breaks the barrier of 4 or 8 note polyphony typical
 of MOD players and editors (for IBM PC) and uses svgalib and sound-driver...
 (I start writing for DOS but for memory and speed problems Linux should be better ).   
 

The only problem I 've encountered is to determine the buffer position of the 
=============================================================================
current-played sample.
======================


For example: 
with a dma buffer of 65535 bytes I must know if the current sample (the
sample that I hear from the speakers) has passed the half buffer position (
>=32767) or is in the low half of the buffer itself...

I prefer E-Mail answer,since our News-Server doesn't work wery well
sometimes. 

                            Many thanks in advance.....
                            
                            Michele Rubert

                            brm@paola.dei.unipd.it

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From: brm@esse12.dei.unipd.it (Michele Rubert 325354/IL)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Help about sound-driver for P.D. program needed
Date: 12 May 1994 11:32:50 GMT

Hello,

 I'm going to releasing a P.D. program (in test version for now) that 
 I've written for DOS ,it breaks the barrier of 4 or 8 note polyphony typical
 of MOD players and editors (for IBM PC) and uses svgalib and sound-driver...
 (I start writing for DOS but for memory and speed problems Linux should be better ).   
 

The only problem I 've encountered is to determine the buffer position of the 
=============================================================================
current-played sample.
======================


For example: 
with a dma buffer of 65535 bytes I must know if the current sample (the
sample that I hear from the speakers) has passed the half buffer position (
>=32767) or is in the low half of the buffer itself...

I prefer E-Mail answer,since our News-Server doesn't work wery well
sometimes. 

                            Many thanks in advance.....
                            
                            Michele Rubert

                            brm@paola.dei.unipd.it

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From: centauri@crl.com (Charles Rutledge)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: COMMODORE CALLS IT QUITS
Date: 12 May 1994 05:50:58 -0700

Alexandra Griffin (acg@kzin.cen.ufl.edu) wrote:
: The 64 & vic were 6502-based-- no danger of that architecture
: re-emerging, I hope, even though they did manage to take it up to 32

The last EDN microprocessor servey that I saw still listed the 6502 as 
one the best-selling microprocessors today, most because Rockwell using 
it as the heart of their modem chips.  It may not power your desktop, but 
don't count out your toaster.

Charles Rutledge
centauri@crl.com


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From: brm@esse12.dei.unipd.it (Michele Rubert 325354/IL)
Subject: Help about sound-driver for P.D. program needed or Voxware more do
Date: 12 May 1994 12:35:45 GMT

Hello,

 I'm going to releasing a P.D. program (in test version for now) that 
 I've written for DOS ,it breaks the barrier of 4 or 8 note polyphony typical
 of MOD players and editors (for IBM PC) and uses svgalib and sound-driver...
 (I start writing for DOS but for memory and speed problems Linux should be better ).   
 

The only problem I 've encountered is to determine the buffer position of the 
=============================================================================
current-played sample.
======================


For example: 
with a dma buffer of 65535 bytes I must know if the current sample (the
sample that I hear from the speakers) has passed the half buffer position (
>=32767) or is in the low half of the buffer itself...

I prefer E-Mail answer,since our News-Server doesn't work wery well
sometimes. 

                            Many thanks in advance.....
                            
                            Michele Rubert

                            brm@paola.dei.unipd.it

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From: jem@ladybird (Jonathan Magid)
Subject: Re: Special plea to all developers and ftp sites...
Date: 11 May 1994 19:37:15 GMT

In article <1994May11.183120.22756@oxvaxd>,
Disaster prone simpleton <m91dps@ecs.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
>For those of us who have to use mess-dos 1440K discs to transfer stuff to
>our boxen, please could people split stuff larger that 1400K into several
>archives 1400K or less each. It would save people like me a lot of hassle.

Speaking for Sunsite, I don't think this is going to happen, as it would
be a tremendous inconvenience for us (we're lazy) and others.  

I'd reccomend investing in a "split" program.    It comes with most unices, 
and  is fairly easy to write for less enlightened operating systems.

jem.
--
jem@sunsite.unc.edu\/SunSITE admin


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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: Terminator-Power Question
Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 12:00:14 GMT
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl

In <1994May12.031528.958@prism.demon.co.uk> david@prism.demon.co.uk (David Metcalfe) writes:

>Drew Eckhardt (drew@kinglear.cs.colorado.edu) wrote:
>: If the device(s) driving TERMPWR can't source enough current, Bad Things(tm)
>: happen, and if all devices providing TERMPWR get turned off (I've seen it 
>: happen), Worse Things(tm) happen, like devices see an asserted RST signal, 
>: etc.

>: So, I allways jumper all devices to provide termination power.

>It s interesting you say that because I recently added a new DEC SCSI
>disk to my system.  The manual recommended enabling TERMPWR so I did.
>However, it interfered with my WANGTEK 5250 external tape drive that
>was also sitting on the bus, so I had to disable TERMPWR on the DEC
>drive.

Interfered in what way?
Did the tape drive short-circuit the terminator power?

(if it is not that, I really cannot imagine how supplying terminator
power can interfere with anything)

Rob
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From: cwyble@micom.com (Charlie Wyble (PROG))
Subject: Stargate Cards:/HOSTESS cards??
Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 18:34:19 GMT


Does anyone out there have any information on an old card aparently made
by Control Systems   Called the HOSTESS 8.

It is an 8 channel serial card with 8 8250 uart chips.  It has 2
sets of 8 dip switches and I have no documentation on it at all.

Can anyone help?

Thanks

Charlie


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From: iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: 1.1.12 lockup/crash
Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 18:37:53 GMT

In article <CpL6q0.JGA@info.bris.ac.uk> Mark.Fernyhough@bristol.ac.uk writes:
>I have noticed a couple of things too with 1.1.12
>
>1) from 1.1.11 to 1.1.12 the delete key stops working when i login and you get
>   the annoying sd//\da\\ sort of stuff.
>
>2) Frequent lockups when using tin with the rarp option compiled in.

Thats not RARP. RARP doesn't even activate until you add a rarp cache entry.
Both the TCP layer and the ARP code have changed however so this may have
some bearing on crashes. Do you get any log entries when it crashes, and does
it kill thje machine dead so even CTRL-ALT_DEL dies. Does right alt-scrolllock
give any answers.

Alan


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From: gmcmanus@oti.disa.mil (Gene McManus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Kerberized utilities needed
Date: 12 May 1994 13:57:34 GMT

Has anyone ported the following Kerberos and kerberized utilities to Linux?:

    ksu
    rsh
    rlogin
    kpop

Thanks...

Gene

gmcmanus@oti.disa.mil

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From: teffta@cs690-3.erie.ge.com (Andrew R. Tefft)
Subject: Re: Compressed filesystem???
Reply-To: teffta@cs690-3.erie.ge.com
Date: Tue, 10 May 1994 14:10:57 GMT

In article 16508@n5ial.mythical.com, jim@n5ial.mythical.com (Jim Graham) writes:
>There is also a third option which, btw, is the one I use.  Some time ago,
>there appeared a util called gexe.  I think it was posted to one of the
>comp.sources.* groups, but I'm not sure.  Anyways, it allows you to

It is gzexe, and it comes with gzip.

I tried it for a while but it complained on every binary (they still
worked, just complained) so I gave up. It wasn't worth the effort.
I considered using it on seldom-used but big binaries but decided 
to just delete them instead ;-)


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Andy Tefft               - new, expanded .sig -     teffta@cs690-3.erie.ge.com



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