Debian bug report logs - #933 , boring messages ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message sent to debian-devel@pixar.com: Subject: Bug#933: Pine wants to post my email reply, and other problems Reply-To: iwj10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson), debian-bugs@pixar.com Resent-To: debian-devel@pixar.com Resent-From: iwj10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson) Resent-Sender: iwj10@cus.cam.ac.uk Resent-Date: Thu, 01 Jun 1995 11:18:17 GMT Resent-Message-ID: X-Debian-PR-Package: pine X-Debian-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool for debian-bugs; Thu, 01 Jun 1995 11:18:17 GMT Received: with rfc822 via encapsulated-mail id 060111164921465; Thu, 01 Jun 1995 11:16:56 GMT Received: from pixar.com by mongo.pixar.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #15) id m0sH89I-0007m0C; Thu, 1 Jun 95 04:10 PDT Received: from bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk by pixar.com with SMTP id AA18832 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for debian-bugs-pipe@mongo.pixar.com); Thu, 1 Jun 1995 04:07:47 -0700 Received: by bootes.cus.cam.ac.uk (Smail-3.1.29.0 #36) id m0sH7pF-000C0EC; Thu, 1 Jun 95 11:50 BST Received: by chiark id (Debian /\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.31); Wed, 31 May 95 21:55 BST Message-Id: Date: Wed, 31 May 95 21:55 BST From: iwj10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson) To: Debian bugs submission address Package: pine Version: 3.91-2 I just sent `guest@chiark' (a test account on my system) the message: Return-Path: Received: by chiark id (Debian /\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.31); Wed, 31 May 95 21:25 BST Message-Id: Newsgroups: chiark.test From: ian (Ian Jackson) To: guest, ian Subject: A test mail message Date: Wed, 31 May 95 21:25 BST Let's see. When I (guest, that is) hit `r' for Reply while viewing the message, Pine gives me the prompt: Post follow-up message to news group(s)? If I answer `y' it decides I want to do a posted `followup' instead of a reply. Presumably it does this because the message I'm replying to has a Newsgroups line. This is completely ridiculous behaviour, and probably stems from an inability on the part of the author to understand conventions used on the net. The presence of a Newsgroups line in a mail message you have received does NOT indicate that it has been posted to those newsgroups. It usually indicates that the message relates to a discussion which is taking place in those newsgroups, and is provided as a helpful hint for reference purposes by newsreaders like `trn' (the de-facto standard USENET newsreader). Furthermore, posting a followup which would probably contain quoted text would be a bad violation of netiquette (if not illegal in some way), as it is conventional (if not obligatory) to obtain someone's consent before publishing personal correspondance they have sent you. This feature should be removed from Pine. If the authors disagree with you please: (a) Refer them to me and to news.admin.* (b) Fix the problem in Debian's version of Pine anyway. I note that the news posting facilities in Pine do not work in my Debian configuration. I do not consider it a great loss. The tendency of every program in existence to jump on the news posting bandwagon is pernicious and should be resisted. Incidentally, if I ask to post a message by using the `^T' key in the compose screen I get a message saying that I can't post to newsgroups because the NNTP server is not defined. This message is accompanied by a beep and is immediately erased - I could only read it by holding down the `^T' key, which made it half-visible. I went and configured my INN installation as my NNTP server and the only thing that was obviously suspicious was the Path: line, which contained chiark.my.domain!chiark!guest ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^ presumably entered by Pine | ^ put in by INN Pine has no business putting a Path line in postings it makes via the NNTP POST command. It should leave that to the NNTP server. For comparison, a message posted directly via NNTP says: chiark.my.domain|news which come from nnrpd and innd. At least Pine did ask: Posted message may go to thousands of readers. Really post? Ian. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message sent: From: iwj10@thor.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson) To: iwj10@cus.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson) Subject: Bug#933: Acknowledgement (was: Pine wants to post my email reply, and other problems) In-Reply-To: References: Thank you for the problem report you have sent regarding Debian GNU/Linux. This is an automatically generated reply, to let you know your message has been received. It is being forwarded to the developers' mailing list for their attention; they will reply in due course. If you wish to submit further information on your problem, please send it to debian-bugs@pixar.com, but please ensure that the Subject line of your message starts with "Bug#933" or "Re: Bug#933" so that we can identify it as relating to the same problem. Please do not reply to the address at the top of this message, unless you wish to report a problem with the bug-tracking system. 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