Debian bug report logs - #1525 , boring messages ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message sent to debian-devel@pixar.com: Subject: Bug#1525: root disk missing ls? Reply-To: Michael E. Deisher , debian-bugs@pixar.com Resent-From: Michael E. Deisher Resent-To: debian-devel@pixar.com Resent-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 16:03:02 GMT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: iwj10@cus.cam.ac.uk X-Debian-PR-Package: 1440_root_floppy.gz X-Debian-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool for debian-bugs; Mon, 02 Oct 1995 16:03:02 GMT Received: with rfc822 via encapsulated-mail; Mon, 02 Oct 1995 15:55:52 GMT Received: from pixar.com by mongo.pixar.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #15) id m0sznC8-000GWJC; Mon, 2 Oct 95 08:54 PDT Received: from asuvax.EAS.ASU.EDU by pixar.com with SMTP id AA18563 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for debian-bugs-pipe@mongo.pixar.com); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 08:54:00 -0700 Received: from ganges (enws428.EAS.ASU.EDU) by asuvax.eas.asu.edu with SMTP id AA21241 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for debian-bugs@Pixar.com); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 08:48:37 -0700 Received: by ganges (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA12608; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 08:54:09 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 08:54:09 -0700 Message-Id: <9510021554.AA12608@ganges> From: Michael E. Deisher To: imurdock@debian.org Cc: debian-bugs@Pixar.com Package: 1440_root_floppy.gz Version: 0.93R6 (October 2) If I choose "expert mode" and shell out, "ls" is not found. I think "ls" should be on the root disk. --Mike ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message sent: From: iwj10@thor.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson) To: Michael E. Deisher Subject: Bug#1525: Acknowledgement (was: root disk missing ls?) In-Reply-To: <9510021554.AA12608@ganges> References: <9510021554.AA12608@ganges> Thank you for the problem report you have sent regarding Debian GNU/Linux. This is an automatically generated reply, to let you know your message has been received. It is being forwarded to the developers' mailing list for their attention; they will reply in due course. If you wish to submit further information on your problem, please send it to debian-bugs@pixar.com, but please ensure that the Subject line of your message starts with "Bug#1525" or "Re: Bug#1525" so that we can identify it as relating to the same problem. Please do not reply to the address at the top of this message, unless you wish to report a problem with the bug-tracking system. Ian Jackson (maintainer, debian-bugs) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message sent to debian-devel@pixar.com: Subject: Bug#1525: root disk missing ls? Reply-To: Bruce Perens , debian-bugs@pixar.com Resent-From: Bruce Perens Resent-To: debian-devel@pixar.com Resent-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 20:18:05 GMT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: iwj10@cus.cam.ac.uk X-Debian-PR-Package: 1440_root_floppy.gz X-Debian-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool for debian-bugs; Mon, 02 Oct 1995 20:18:05 GMT Received: with rfc822 via encapsulated-mail; Mon, 02 Oct 1995 20:14:09 GMT Received: from pixar.com by mongo.pixar.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #15) id m0szrEW-000H0vC; Mon, 2 Oct 95 13:13 PDT Received: from mongo.pixar.com by pixar.com with SMTP id AA05067 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for bruce@mongo.pixar.com); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 13:12:43 -0700 Received: by mongo.pixar.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #15) id m0szrEJ-000Gl5C; Mon, 2 Oct 95 13:12 PDT Message-Id: X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.2 7/18/95 To: "Michael E. Deisher" , debian-bugs@Pixar.com Cc: imurdock@debian.org, bruce@Pixar.com In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 02 Oct 1995 08:54:09 PDT." <9510021554.AA12608@ganges> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 13:12:51 -0700 From: Bruce Perens There's no room. No kidding. If Ian adds /root/bin, etc. to the shell path, it will use the versions that you install from the base floppies, but you'll have to install them first. For the next release, I'll have a "tiny" installation tool set that includes its own "ls". Bruce -- -- Attention Radio Amateurs: For information on "Linux for Hams", -- read the WWW page http://www.hams.com/LinuxForHams, -- or e-mail the word "help" to info@hams.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message sent: From: iwj10@thor.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson) To: Bruce Perens Subject: Bug#1525: Info received (was Bug#1525: root disk missing ls?) In-Reply-To: References: Thank you for the additional information you have supplied regarding this problem report. It has been forwarded to the developers to accompany the original report. If you wish to continue to submit further information on your problem, please do the same thing again: send it to debian-bugs@pixar.com, ensuring that the Subject line starts with "Bug#1525" or "Re: Bug#1525" so that we can identify it as relating to the same problem. Please do not reply to the address at the top of this message, unless you wish to report a problem with the bug-tracking system. Ian Jackson (maintainer, debian-bugs) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message sent to debian-devel@pixar.com: Subject: Bug#1525: root disk missing ls? Reply-To: mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bill Mitchell), debian-bugs@pixar.com Resent-From: mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bill Mitchell) Resent-To: debian-devel@pixar.com Resent-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 20:33:03 GMT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: iwj10@cus.cam.ac.uk X-Debian-PR-Package: 1440_root_floppy.gz X-Debian-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool for debian-bugs; Mon, 02 Oct 1995 20:33:03 GMT Received: with rfc822 via encapsulated-mail; Mon, 02 Oct 1995 20:31:38 GMT Received: from pixar.com by mongo.pixar.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #15) id m0szrVT-000Gr7C; Mon, 2 Oct 95 13:30 PDT Received: from motgate.mot.com by pixar.com with SMTP id AA05803 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for debian-bugs-pipe@mongo.pixar.com); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 13:30:08 -0700 Received: from pobox.mot.com (pobox.mot.com [129.188.137.100]) by motgate.mot.com (8.6.11/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id PAA10276; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:30:25 -0500 Received: from mdd.comm.mot.com (mdisea.mdd.comm.mot.com [138.242.64.201]) by pobox.mot.com (8.6.11/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with SMTP id PAA27022; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:30:23 -0500 Received: from bb29c.mdd.comm.mot.com by mdd.comm.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25885; Mon, 2 Oct 95 13:30:21 PDT Received: by bb29c.mdd.comm.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20738; Mon, 2 Oct 95 13:30:20 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Oct 95 13:30:20 PDT From: mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bill Mitchell) Message-Id: <9510022030.AA20738@bb29c.mdd.comm.mot.com> To: bruce@Pixar.com, debian-bugs@pixar.com You said: > For the next release, I'll have a "tiny" installation tool set that includes > its own "ls". I've been holding off mentioning it during the release crunch, but there's a tiny grep-alike from the ae author. I've taken a quick look, and it looks like it has the potential to be usable, but it'd need work in the user area (output format and exit status). ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message sent: From: iwj10@thor.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson) To: mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bill Mitchell) Subject: Bug#1525: Info received (was Bug#1525: root disk missing ls?) In-Reply-To: <9510022030.AA20738@bb29c.mdd.comm.mot.com> References: <9510022030.AA20738@bb29c.mdd.comm.mot.com> Thank you for the additional information you have supplied regarding this problem report. It has been forwarded to the developers to accompany the original report. If you wish to continue to submit further information on your problem, please do the same thing again: send it to debian-bugs@pixar.com, ensuring that the Subject line starts with "Bug#1525" or "Re: Bug#1525" so that we can identify it as relating to the same problem. Please do not reply to the address at the top of this message, unless you wish to report a problem with the bug-tracking system. Ian Jackson (maintainer, debian-bugs) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message sent to debian-devel@pixar.com: Subject: Bug#1525: root disk missing ls? Reply-To: Michael E. Deisher , debian-bugs@pixar.com Resent-From: Michael E. Deisher Resent-To: debian-devel@pixar.com Resent-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 20:48:02 GMT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: iwj10@cus.cam.ac.uk X-Debian-PR-Package: 1440_root_floppy.gz X-Debian-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool for debian-bugs; Mon, 02 Oct 1995 20:48:02 GMT Received: with rfc822 via encapsulated-mail; Mon, 02 Oct 1995 20:36:59 GMT Received: from pixar.com by mongo.pixar.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #15) id m0szraa-000H3WC; Mon, 2 Oct 95 13:35 PDT Received: from asuvax.EAS.ASU.EDU by pixar.com with SMTP id AA05992 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for debian-bugs-pipe@mongo.pixar.com); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 13:35:31 -0700 Received: from ganges (enws428.EAS.ASU.EDU) by asuvax.eas.asu.edu with SMTP id AA29898 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for bruce@Pixar.com); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 13:30:16 -0700 Received: by ganges (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA19083; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 13:35:47 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 13:35:47 -0700 Message-Id: <9510022035.AA19083@ganges> From: Michael E. Deisher To: bruce@Pixar.com Cc: debian-bugs@Pixar.com, imurdock@debian.org, bruce@Pixar.com In-Reply-To: (message from Bruce Perens on Mon, 02 Oct 1995 13:12:51 -0700) On Mon, 02 Oct 1995 13:12:51 -0700, Bruce Perens said: > There's no room. No kidding. If Ian adds /root/bin, etc. to the > shell path, it will use the versions that you install from the base > floppies, but you'll have to install them first. Wow! That severely diminishes the usefulness of the "0 Shell" feature. Any filesystem operations will have to be done "blind". Scares me. > For the next release, I'll have a "tiny" installation tool set that > includes its own "ls". Sounds good. --Mike ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message sent: From: iwj10@thor.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson) To: Michael E. Deisher Subject: Bug#1525: Info received (was Bug#1525: root disk missing ls?) In-Reply-To: <9510022035.AA19083@ganges> References: <9510022035.AA19083@ganges> Thank you for the additional information you have supplied regarding this problem report. It has been forwarded to the developers to accompany the original report. If you wish to continue to submit further information on your problem, please do the same thing again: send it to debian-bugs@pixar.com, ensuring that the Subject line starts with "Bug#1525" or "Re: Bug#1525" so that we can identify it as relating to the same problem. Please do not reply to the address at the top of this message, unless you wish to report a problem with the bug-tracking system. Ian Jackson (maintainer, debian-bugs) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message sent to debian-devel@pixar.com: Subject: Bug#1525: root disk missing ls? Reply-To: mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bill Mitchell), debian-bugs@pixar.com Resent-From: mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bill Mitchell) Resent-To: debian-devel@pixar.com Resent-Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 21:03:03 GMT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: iwj10@cus.cam.ac.uk X-Debian-PR-Package: 1440_root_floppy.gz X-Debian-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool for debian-bugs; Mon, 02 Oct 1995 21:03:03 GMT Received: with rfc822 via encapsulated-mail; Mon, 02 Oct 1995 20:57:31 GMT Received: from pixar.com by mongo.pixar.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #15) id m0szruS-000H2HC; Mon, 2 Oct 95 13:56 PDT Received: from motgate.mot.com by pixar.com with SMTP id AA06561 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for debian-bugs-pipe@mongo.pixar.com); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 13:56:02 -0700 Received: from pobox.mot.com (pobox.mot.com [129.188.137.100]) by motgate.mot.com (8.6.11/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with ESMTP id PAA17200; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:55:57 -0500 Received: from mdd.comm.mot.com (mdisea.mdd.comm.mot.com [138.242.64.201]) by pobox.mot.com (8.6.11/8.6.10/MOT-3.8) with SMTP id PAA05912; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 15:55:56 -0500 Received: from bb29c.mdd.comm.mot.com by mdd.comm.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26914; Mon, 2 Oct 95 13:55:54 PDT Received: by bb29c.mdd.comm.mot.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20776; Mon, 2 Oct 95 13:55:46 PDT Date: Mon, 2 Oct 95 13:55:46 PDT From: mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bill Mitchell) Message-Id: <9510022055.AA20776@bb29c.mdd.comm.mot.com> To: bruce@Pixar.com, deisher@enws428.EAS.ASU.EDU, debian-bugs@pixar.com Cc: debian-bugs@Pixar.com, imurdock@debian.org "Michael E. Deisher" said, re missing ls: > Wow! That severely diminishes the usefulness of the "0 Shell" > feature. Any filesystem operations will have to be done "blind". > Scares me. I use echo as a rough workaround for a missing ls. "echo *, "echo /bin/*", etc. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message sent: From: iwj10@thor.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson) To: mitchell@mdd.comm.mot.com (Bill Mitchell) Subject: Bug#1525: Info received (was Bug#1525: root disk missing ls?) In-Reply-To: <9510022055.AA20776@bb29c.mdd.comm.mot.com> References: <9510022055.AA20776@bb29c.mdd.comm.mot.com> Thank you for the additional information you have supplied regarding this problem report. It has been forwarded to the developers to accompany the original report. If you wish to continue to submit further information on your problem, please do the same thing again: send it to debian-bugs@pixar.com, ensuring that the Subject line starts with "Bug#1525" or "Re: Bug#1525" so that we can identify it as relating to the same problem. Please do not reply to the address at the top of this message, unless you wish to report a problem with the bug-tracking system. Ian Jackson (maintainer, debian-bugs) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message sent to debian-devel@pixar.com: Subject: Bug#1525: root disk missing ls? Reply-To: cdr@sme.siemens.com, debian-bugs@pixar.com Resent-From: CD Rasmussen Resent-To: debian-devel@pixar.com Resent-Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 12:18:03 GMT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: iwj10@cus.cam.ac.uk X-Debian-PR-Package: 1440_root_floppy.gz X-Debian-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool for debian-bugs; Tue, 03 Oct 1995 12:18:03 GMT Received: with rfc822 via encapsulated-mail; Tue, 03 Oct 1995 12:17:22 GMT Received: from pixar.com by mongo.pixar.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #15) id m0t06GS-000GTMC; Tue, 3 Oct 95 05:16 PDT Received: from scr.siemens.com by pixar.com with SMTP id AA17931 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for debian-bugs-pipe@mongo.pixar.com); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 05:15:43 -0700 Received: from cons.mountain ([129.73.58.158]) by scr.siemens.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA10738; Tue, 3 Oct 1995 08:15:36 -0400 Received: from localhost by cons.mountain (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02386; Tue, 3 Oct 95 08:15:32 EDT Message-Id: <9510031215.AA02386@cons.mountain> To: Bruce Perens , debian-bugs@pixar.com In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 02 Oct 1995 13:12:51 PDT." Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 08:15:32 -0400 From: CD Rasmussen Bruce, would KISS the tiny shell with common commands builtin be useful to you? Its used in the SAR, search-n-rescue, boot disk. I added code to it to handle df so I got to know it pretty well. It uses the readline lib for command line edit and replay. This think could save a bunch a space. That's why it was created. Want more info or are you all set? Costa ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message sent: From: iwj10@thor.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson) To: cdr@sme.siemens.com Subject: Bug#1525: Info received (was Bug#1525: root disk missing ls?) In-Reply-To: <9510031215.AA02386@cons.mountain> References: <9510031215.AA02386@cons.mountain> Thank you for the additional information you have supplied regarding this problem report. It has been forwarded to the developers to accompany the original report. If you wish to continue to submit further information on your problem, please do the same thing again: send it to debian-bugs@pixar.com, ensuring that the Subject line starts with "Bug#1525" or "Re: Bug#1525" so that we can identify it as relating to the same problem. Please do not reply to the address at the top of this message, unless you wish to report a problem with the bug-tracking system. Ian Jackson (maintainer, debian-bugs) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message sent to debian-devel@pixar.com: Subject: Bug#1525: root disk missing ls? Reply-To: Bruce Perens , debian-bugs@pixar.com Resent-From: Bruce Perens Resent-To: debian-devel@pixar.com Resent-Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 16:18:06 GMT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: iwj10@cus.cam.ac.uk X-Debian-PR-Package: 1440_root_floppy.gz X-Debian-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool for debian-bugs; Tue, 03 Oct 1995 16:18:06 GMT Received: with rfc822 via encapsulated-mail; Tue, 03 Oct 1995 16:17:03 GMT Received: from pixar.com by mongo.pixar.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #15) id m0t0A0W-000H5IC; Tue, 3 Oct 95 09:15 PDT Received: from mongo.pixar.com by pixar.com with SMTP id AA28415 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for debian-bugs-pipe@mongo.pixar.com); Tue, 3 Oct 1995 09:15:33 -0700 Received: by mongo.pixar.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #15) id m0t0A0V-000H3eC; Tue, 3 Oct 95 09:15 PDT Message-Id: To: cdr@sme.siemens.com Cc: Bruce Perens , debian-bugs@Pixar.com In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 03 Oct 1995 08:15:32 PDT." <9510031215.AA02386@cons.mountain> Date: Tue, 03 Oct 1995 09:15:51 -0700 From: Bruce Perens I tried KISS a while back. It's a step in the right direction, but doesn't have all of the programs I wanted, and wasn't as robust as I'd like it to be. I then wrote something with the tiny utilities like KISS, but no shell. It's intended to be linked into another small shell like "ash". I think Ian has replaced "bash" on the root disk with "ash", because it was Bourne-shell compatible and much smaller than "bash". The shell in KISS is not useful for interpreting our scripts. All of these utilities are supposed to run in a fork(), not in the main thread, for robustness. These are the tools I have so far: cat chgrp chmod chown clear cp df false halt init ln mkdir mkswap more mount mv pwd reboot rm rmdir sleep swapoff swapon sync touch tput true umount update I would like to add my own "tiny" versions of "ls", and "tar", and link in the existing "gzip", "dialog", "badblocks", and the new fdisk rewrite. I have the tar extractor function I wrote for "dpkg", and can easily make a tar writer. To add "gzip", "dialog", "badblocks", and "fdisk", I will modify the source packages for these programs so that they will create library versions of themselves. This should give us a reasonably small static-linked environment. It should fit on the boot floppy along with the kernel and modules. Thanks Bruce ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message sent: From: iwj10@thor.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson) To: Bruce Perens Subject: Bug#1525: Info received (was Bug#1525: root disk missing ls?) In-Reply-To: References: Thank you for the additional information you have supplied regarding this problem report. It has been forwarded to the developers to accompany the original report. If you wish to continue to submit further information on your problem, please do the same thing again: send it to debian-bugs@pixar.com, ensuring that the Subject line starts with "Bug#1525" or "Re: Bug#1525" so that we can identify it as relating to the same problem. Please do not reply to the address at the top of this message, unless you wish to report a problem with the bug-tracking system. Ian Jackson (maintainer, debian-bugs) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message sent: From: iwj10@thor.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson) To: imurdock@debian.org (Ian Murdock) In-Reply-To: References: <9510021554.AA12608@ganges> Subject: Bug#1525: marked as done (was: root disk missing ls?) Your message dated Wed, 11 Oct 95 12:38 EST with message-id and subject line Bug#1525: has caused the attached bug report to be marked as done. It is your now responsibility to ensure that the bug report is dealt with. (NB: If you are a system administrator and have no idea what I'm talking about this indicates a serious mail system misconfiguration somewhere. Please contact me immediately.) Ian Jackson (maintainer, debian-bugs) Received: with rfc822 via encapsulated-mail; Mon, 02 Oct 1995 15:55:52 GMT From enws428.EAS.ASU.EDU!deisher Mon Oct 2 08:54:21 1995 Return-Path: Received: from pixar.com by mongo.pixar.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #15) id m0sznC8-000GWJC; Mon, 2 Oct 95 08:54 PDT Received: from asuvax.EAS.ASU.EDU by pixar.com with SMTP id AA18563 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for debian-bugs-pipe@mongo.pixar.com); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 08:54:00 -0700 Received: from ganges (enws428.EAS.ASU.EDU) by asuvax.eas.asu.edu with SMTP id AA21241 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for debian-bugs@Pixar.com); Mon, 2 Oct 1995 08:48:37 -0700 Received: by ganges (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA12608; Mon, 2 Oct 1995 08:54:09 -0700 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 08:54:09 -0700 Message-Id: <9510021554.AA12608@ganges> From: Michael E. Deisher To: imurdock@debian.org Cc: debian-bugs@Pixar.com Subject: root disk missing ls? Package: 1440_root_floppy.gz Version: 0.93R6 (October 2) If I choose "expert mode" and shell out, "ls" is not found. I think "ls" should be on the root disk. --Mike ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message sent: From: iwj10@thor.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson) To: Michael E. Deisher Subject: Bug#1525 acknowledged by developer (was: root disk missing ls?) References: <9510021554.AA12608@ganges> In-Reply-To: <9510021554.AA12608@ganges> This is an automatic notification regarding your bug report. Responsibility for it has been taken by one of the developers, namely imurdock@debian.org (Ian Murdock). You should be hearing from them with a substantive response shortly, if you have not already done so. If not, please contact them directly, or email debian-bugs@pixar.com or myself. Ian Jackson (maintainer, debian-bugs) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Ian Jackson / iwj10@thor.cam.ac.uk , with the debian-bugs tracking mechanism This page last modified 07:43:01 GMT Wed 01 Nov