Debian bug report logs - #1505 , boring messages ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message sent to debian-devel@pixar.com: Subject: Bug#1505: setterm is missing Reply-To: Marek Michalkiewicz , debian-bugs@pixar.com Resent-From: Marek Michalkiewicz Resent-To: debian-devel@pixar.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 19:48:02 GMT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: iwj10@cus.cam.ac.uk X-Debian-PR-Package: miscutils X-Debian-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool for debian-bugs; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 19:48:02 GMT Received: with rfc822 via encapsulated-mail; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 19:39:18 GMT Received: from pixar.com by mongo.pixar.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #15) id m0syOmX-000GBiC; Thu, 28 Sep 95 12:38 PDT Received: from i17linuxb.ists.pwr.wroc.pl by pixar.com with SMTP id AA15538 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for debian-bugs-pipe@mongo.pixar.com); Thu, 28 Sep 1995 12:37:44 -0700 Received: (from marekm@localhost) by i17linuxb.ists.pwr.wroc.pl (8.6.12/8.6.9) id UAA20951 for debian-bugs@pixar.com; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 20:37:51 +0100 From: Marek Michalkiewicz Message-Id: <199509281937.UAA20951@i17linuxb.ists.pwr.wroc.pl> To: debian-bugs@pixar.com Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 20:37:50 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 927 Package: miscutils I can't find the setterm program (distributed as part of util-linux) anywhere in the distribution (the output from "grep setterm Contents" is empty, and this program is not on my freshly installed, fairly complete Debian system at home). It is not currently part of any package, but I think it might be part of the "miscutils" package (or some other package - the decision is not up to me). This is the program used to set various terminal attributes, including some specific to Linux console, like screen blanking timeout. Not an essential package, but a sometimes useful one. If there a program which is part of the distribution and does the same thing but has a different name, please ignore this report (I am new to Debian - previously using Slackware for over a year now, but it has become too messy and difficult to upgrade, so I installed Debian just for fun after I got a new hard drive). Marek ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message sent: From: iwj10@thor.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson) To: Marek Michalkiewicz Subject: Bug#1505: Acknowledgement (was: setterm is missing) In-Reply-To: <199509281937.UAA20951@i17linuxb.ists.pwr.wroc.pl> References: <199509281937.UAA20951@i17linuxb.ists.pwr.wroc.pl> Thank you for the problem report you have sent regarding Debian GNU/Linux. This is an automatically generated reply, to let you know your message has been received. It is being forwarded to the developers' mailing list for their attention; they will reply in due course. If you wish to submit further information on your problem, please send it to debian-bugs@pixar.com, but please ensure that the Subject line of your message starts with "Bug#1505" or "Re: Bug#1505" so that we can identify it as relating to the same problem. 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Ian Jackson (maintainer, debian-bugs) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message sent to debian-devel@pixar.com: Subject: Bug#1505: setterm is missing Reply-To: Bruce Perens , debian-bugs@pixar.com Resent-From: Bruce Perens Resent-To: debian-devel@pixar.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 20:48:02 GMT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: iwj10@cus.cam.ac.uk X-Debian-PR-Package: miscutils X-Debian-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool for debian-bugs; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 20:48:02 GMT Received: with rfc822 via encapsulated-mail; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 20:35:28 GMT Received: from pixar.com by mongo.pixar.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #15) id m0syPdz-000GirC; Thu, 28 Sep 95 13:33 PDT Received: from mongo.pixar.com by pixar.com with SMTP id AA18168 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for debian-bugs-pipe@mongo.pixar.com); Thu, 28 Sep 1995 13:33:04 -0700 Received: by mongo.pixar.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #15) id m0syPXf-000Gf3C; Thu, 28 Sep 95 13:26 PDT Message-Id: X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.2 7/18/95 To: Marek Michalkiewicz , debian-bugs@Pixar.com Cc: bruce@Pixar.com In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 28 Sep 1995 20:37:50 PDT." <199509281937.UAA20951@i17linuxb.ists.pwr.wroc.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 13:26:51 -0700 From: Bruce Perens I think there was a copyright problem with "setterm" that caused us to remove it from the distribution a long time ago. If I recall correctly, it didn't allow distribution for a fee, which is of course essential to our CD-ROM redistributors. Several of the programs in util-linux had ambiguous or pernicious copyright status at that time. Thanks Bruce marekm@i17linuxb.ists.pwr.wroc.pl said: > Package: miscutils > I can't find the setterm program (distributed as part of util-linux) > anywhere in the distribution (the output from "grep setterm Contents" > is empty, and this program is not on my freshly installed, fairly > complete Debian system at home). > It is not currently part of any package, but I think it might be part > of the "miscutils" package (or some other package - the decision is > not up to me). This is the program used to set various terminal > attributes, including some specific to Linux console, like screen > blanking timeout. Not an essential package, but a sometimes useful > one. > If there a program which is part of the distribution and does the > same thing but has a different name, please ignore this report (I am > new to Debian - previously using Slackware for over a year now, but > it has become too messy and difficult to upgrade, so I installed > Debian just for fun after I got a new hard drive). > Marek > -- -- Attention Radio Amateurs: For information on "Linux for Hams", -- read the WWW page http://www.hams.com/LinuxForHams, -- or e-mail the word "help" to info@hams.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message sent: From: iwj10@thor.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson) To: Bruce Perens Subject: Bug#1505: Info received (was Bug#1505: setterm is missing) In-Reply-To: References: Thank you for the additional information you have supplied regarding this problem report. It has been forwarded to the developers to accompany the original report. 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Ian Jackson (maintainer, debian-bugs) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message sent to debian-devel@pixar.com: Subject: Bug#1505: setterm is missing Reply-To: cdr@sme.siemens.com, debian-bugs@pixar.com Resent-From: CD Rasmussen Resent-To: debian-devel@pixar.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 21:33:02 GMT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: iwj10@cus.cam.ac.uk X-Debian-PR-Package: miscutils X-Debian-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool for debian-bugs; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 21:33:02 GMT Received: with rfc822 via encapsulated-mail; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 21:21:13 GMT Received: from pixar.com by mongo.pixar.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #15) id m0syQN9-000B19C; Thu, 28 Sep 95 14:20 PDT Received: from scr.siemens.com by pixar.com with SMTP id AA21420 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for debian-bugs-pipe@mongo.pixar.com); Thu, 28 Sep 1995 14:19:45 -0700 Received: from cons.mountain ([129.73.58.158]) by scr.siemens.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA05336; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 17:19:04 -0400 Received: from localhost by cons.mountain (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07191; Thu, 28 Sep 95 17:19:04 EDT Message-Id: <9509282119.AA07191@cons.mountain> To: Bruce Perens , debian-bugs@pixar.com Cc: Marek Michalkiewicz In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 28 Sep 1995 13:26:51 PDT." Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 17:19:03 -0400 From: CD Rasmussen I wish we had setterm. I noticed it was missing and thought I must be ignorant about how to do without it. What's the drill here? Do we need to lobby the author, write a clone? Costa ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message sent: From: iwj10@thor.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson) To: cdr@sme.siemens.com Subject: Bug#1505: Info received (was Bug#1505: setterm is missing) In-Reply-To: <9509282119.AA07191@cons.mountain> References: <9509282119.AA07191@cons.mountain> Thank you for the additional information you have supplied regarding this problem report. It has been forwarded to the developers to accompany the original report. If you wish to continue to submit further information on your problem, please do the same thing again: send it to debian-bugs@pixar.com, ensuring that the Subject line starts with "Bug#1505" or "Re: Bug#1505" so that we can identify it as relating to the same problem. 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Ian Jackson (maintainer, debian-bugs) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message sent to debian-devel@pixar.com: Subject: Bug#1505: setterm is missing Reply-To: Bruce Perens , debian-bugs@pixar.com Resent-From: Bruce Perens Resent-To: debian-devel@pixar.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 21:33:04 GMT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: iwj10@cus.cam.ac.uk X-Debian-PR-Package: miscutils X-Debian-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool for debian-bugs; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 21:33:04 GMT Received: with rfc822 via encapsulated-mail; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 21:30:01 GMT Received: from pixar.com by mongo.pixar.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #15) id m0syQVn-000BIEC; Thu, 28 Sep 95 14:28 PDT Received: from mongo.pixar.com by pixar.com with SMTP id AA21710 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for bruce@mongo.pixar.com); Thu, 28 Sep 1995 14:28:41 -0700 Received: by mongo.pixar.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #15) id m0syQUy-000GKkC; Thu, 28 Sep 95 14:28 PDT Message-Id: X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.2 7/18/95 To: cdr@sme.siemens.com Cc: Bruce Perens , debian-bugs@Pixar.com, Marek Michalkiewicz In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 28 Sep 1995 17:19:03 PDT." <9509282119.AA07191@cons.mountain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 14:28:08 -0700 From: Bruce Perens cdr@sme.siemens.com said: > What's the drill here? Do we need to lobby the author, write a clone? First, research the current copyright status and confirm it with the author. Then, if you have to, lobby the author. Only if that fails, write something better and GPL it. Bruce -- -- Attention Radio Amateurs: For information on "Linux for Hams", -- read the WWW page http://www.hams.com/LinuxForHams, -- or e-mail the word "help" to info@hams.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message sent: From: iwj10@thor.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson) To: Bruce Perens Subject: Bug#1505: Info received (was Bug#1505: setterm is missing) In-Reply-To: References: Thank you for the additional information you have supplied regarding this problem report. It has been forwarded to the developers to accompany the original report. 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Ian Jackson (maintainer, debian-bugs) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message sent to debian-devel@pixar.com: Subject: Bug#1505: setterm is missing Reply-To: Raul Miller , debian-bugs@pixar.com Resent-From: Raul Miller Resent-To: debian-devel@pixar.com Resent-Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 22:33:08 GMT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: iwj10@cus.cam.ac.uk X-Debian-PR-Package: miscutils X-Debian-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool for debian-bugs; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 22:33:08 GMT Received: with rfc822 via encapsulated-mail; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 22:22:23 GMT Received: from pixar.com by mongo.pixar.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #15) id m0syRKT-000GS3C; Thu, 28 Sep 95 15:21 PDT Received: from magenta.com by pixar.com with SMTP id AA24569 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for debian-bugs-pipe@mongo.pixar.com); Thu, 28 Sep 1995 15:21:00 -0700 Received: (moth@localhost) by magenta.com (8.6.12/8.6.4) id SAA17854; Thu, 28 Sep 1995 18:16:19 -0400 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 18:16:19 -0400 Message-Id: <199509282216.SAA17854@magenta.com> From: Raul Miller To: cdr@sme.siemens.com, debian-bugs@Pixar.com Cc: bruce@Pixar.com, marekm@i17linuxb.ists.pwr.wroc.pl In-Reply-To: <9509282119.AA07191@cons.mountain> (message from CD Rasmussen on Thu, 28 Sep 1995 17:19:03 -0400) Costa D Rasmussen: I wish we had setterm. I noticed it was missing and thought I must be ignorant about how to do without it. What's the drill here? Do we need to lobby the author, write a clone? setterm was written by Ted Ts'o. He thought it was such a trivial program that it didn't need a copyright. As of today, he knows that the lack of a copyright is a distribution problem. I don't know for sure, but I think he plans on releasing it with a redistributable copyright. -- Raul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message sent: From: iwj10@thor.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson) To: Raul Miller Subject: Bug#1505: Info received (was Bug#1505: setterm is missing) In-Reply-To: <199509282216.SAA17854@magenta.com> References: <199509282216.SAA17854@magenta.com> Thank you for the additional information you have supplied regarding this problem report. It has been forwarded to the developers to accompany the original report. 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Ian Jackson (maintainer, debian-bugs) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message sent to debian-devel@pixar.com: Subject: Bug#1505: setterm is missing Reply-To: Marek Michalkiewicz , debian-bugs@pixar.com Resent-From: Marek Michalkiewicz Resent-To: debian-devel@pixar.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 15:18:01 GMT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: iwj10@cus.cam.ac.uk X-Debian-PR-Package: miscutils X-Debian-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool for debian-bugs; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 15:18:01 GMT Received: with rfc822 via encapsulated-mail; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 15:04:42 GMT Received: from pixar.com by mongo.pixar.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #15) id m0sygvo-0006JEC; Fri, 29 Sep 95 08:00 PDT Received: from i17linuxb.ists.pwr.wroc.pl by pixar.com with SMTP id AA03367 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for bruce@mongo.pixar.com); Fri, 29 Sep 1995 08:00:32 -0700 Received: (from marekm@localhost) by i17linuxb.ists.pwr.wroc.pl (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA24725; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 16:00:37 +0100 From: Marek Michalkiewicz Message-Id: <199509291500.QAA24725@i17linuxb.ists.pwr.wroc.pl> To: bruce@Pixar.com (Bruce Perens) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 16:00:35 +0100 (MET) Cc: debian-bugs@Pixar.com In-Reply-To: from "Bruce Perens" at Sep 28, 95 01:26:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 815 Bruce Perens: > I think there was a copyright problem with "setterm" that caused us to > remove it from the distribution a long time ago. If I recall correctly, > it didn't allow distribution for a fee, which is of course essential to > our CD-ROM redistributors. Hmm, setterm is distributed on countless Slackware CD-ROMs at least... Aren't we too paranoid about copyrights? Now that I have read the source, it says that the "conditions of use, modification and redistribution are contained in the file COPYRIGHT that forms part of this distribution" but I can't find this file anywhere. Has anyone tried to contact the author (Gordon Irlam gordoni@cs.ua.oz.au) about this? From a quick test using EXPN it seems that his e-mail address is probably still valid even though setterm was written in 1990... Marek ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message sent: From: iwj10@thor.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson) To: Marek Michalkiewicz Subject: Bug#1505: Info received (was Bug#1505: setterm is missing) In-Reply-To: <199509291500.QAA24725@i17linuxb.ists.pwr.wroc.pl> References: <199509291500.QAA24725@i17linuxb.ists.pwr.wroc.pl> Thank you for the additional information you have supplied regarding this problem report. It has been forwarded to the developers to accompany the original report. If you wish to continue to submit further information on your problem, please do the same thing again: send it to debian-bugs@pixar.com, ensuring that the Subject line starts with "Bug#1505" or "Re: Bug#1505" so that we can identify it as relating to the same problem. Please do not reply to the address at the top of this message, unless you wish to report a problem with the bug-tracking system. Ian Jackson (maintainer, debian-bugs) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message sent to debian-devel@pixar.com: Subject: Bug#1505: setterm is missing Reply-To: Bruce Perens , debian-bugs@pixar.com Resent-From: Bruce Perens Resent-To: debian-devel@pixar.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 17:33:03 GMT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: iwj10@cus.cam.ac.uk X-Debian-PR-Package: miscutils X-Debian-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool for debian-bugs; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 17:33:03 GMT Received: with rfc822 via encapsulated-mail; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 17:19:47 GMT Received: from pixar.com by mongo.pixar.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #15) id m0syj4o-0003EoC; Fri, 29 Sep 95 10:18 PDT Received: from mongo.pixar.com by pixar.com with SMTP id AA09760 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for bruce@mongo.pixar.com); Fri, 29 Sep 1995 10:18:03 -0700 Received: by mongo.pixar.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #15) id m0syj4X-000EyVC; Fri, 29 Sep 95 10:18 PDT Message-Id: To: Marek Michalkiewicz Cc: bruce@Pixar.com (Bruce Perens), debian-bugs@Pixar.com In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 29 Sep 1995 16:00:35 PDT." <199509291500.QAA24725@i17linuxb.ists.pwr.wroc.pl> Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 10:18:05 -0700 From: Bruce Perens Hm. There seems to be some confusion about who the author is. Unfortunately, we can't be _too_ careful about copyrights. For the CD-ROM distributiors, there is a significant risk of getting sued (and losing the lawsuit) if we haven't verified that we have the right to distribute these programs. The publicity would not be pretty. As a fledgeling CD-ROM distributor myself, I have an incentive to get this stuff right. I can't presently afford to get sued. As to the program existing in Slackware, etc., for countless distributions, perhaps they got individual permission from the author, or perhaps they overlooked the problem or they don't care. We choose to operate differently. I do know that there are some very sloppy CD-ROM manufacturers out there. I'm not saying who they are. They are definitely selling things that they have no legal right to sell. Thanks Bruce ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message sent: From: iwj10@thor.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson) To: Bruce Perens Subject: Bug#1505: Info received (was Bug#1505: setterm is missing) In-Reply-To: References: Thank you for the additional information you have supplied regarding this problem report. It has been forwarded to the developers to accompany the original report. If you wish to continue to submit further information on your problem, please do the same thing again: send it to debian-bugs@pixar.com, ensuring that the Subject line starts with "Bug#1505" or "Re: Bug#1505" so that we can identify it as relating to the same problem. Please do not reply to the address at the top of this message, unless you wish to report a problem with the bug-tracking system. Ian Jackson (maintainer, debian-bugs) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message sent to debian-devel@pixar.com: Subject: Bug#1505: setterm is missing Reply-To: Raul Miller , debian-bugs@pixar.com Resent-From: Raul Miller Resent-To: debian-devel@pixar.com Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 22:33:02 GMT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: iwj10@cus.cam.ac.uk X-Debian-PR-Package: miscutils X-Debian-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool for debian-bugs; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 22:33:02 GMT Received: with rfc822 via encapsulated-mail; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 22:19:01 GMT Received: from pixar.com by mongo.pixar.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #15) id m0synkf-0001ceC; Fri, 29 Sep 95 15:17 PDT Received: from magenta.com by pixar.com with SMTP id AA23975 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for debian-bugs-pipe@mongo.pixar.com); Fri, 29 Sep 1995 15:17:33 -0700 Received: (moth@localhost) by magenta.com (8.6.12/8.6.4) id SAA25759; Fri, 29 Sep 1995 18:12:54 -0400 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 18:12:54 -0400 Message-Id: <199509292212.SAA25759@magenta.com> From: Raul Miller To: bruce@Pixar.com, debian-bugs@Pixar.com In-Reply-To: (message from Bruce Perens on Fri, 29 Sep 1995 10:18:05 -0700) For what it's worth: I've been pretty strung out lately (illness, deadlines, lack of sleep). Please take anything I mailed out yesterday with at least a grain of salt. [Not that you shouldn't in any event, but especially for Sep 28 95]. Sorry about that. -- Raul ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Message sent: From: iwj10@thor.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson) To: Raul Miller Subject: Bug#1505: Info received (was Bug#1505: setterm is missing) In-Reply-To: <199509292212.SAA25759@magenta.com> References: <199509292212.SAA25759@magenta.com> Thank you for the additional information you have supplied regarding this problem report. It has been forwarded to the developers to accompany the original report. If you wish to continue to submit further information on your problem, please do the same thing again: send it to debian-bugs@pixar.com, ensuring that the Subject line starts with "Bug#1505" or "Re: Bug#1505" so that we can identify it as relating to the same problem. 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