From:     Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu>
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Date:     Fri, 29 Apr 94 01:13:12 EDT
Subject:  Linux-Misc Digest #25

Linux-Misc Digest #25, Volume #2                 Fri, 29 Apr 94 01:13:12 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Novell is trying to Sell a derivative of Linux for a big (michael babcock)
  Re: I SAW CHICAGO! (Charles E Meier)
  Re: Novell & Linux: Why? (Peter da Silva)
  Re: Linux Journal cheated me ??? (Rene COUGNENC)
  Re: OpenStep for $100 (Benjamin Z. Goldsteen)
  Re: traceroute? (Robert G. Smith)
  Re: New developments in Novell's expose. (responses to previous post) (Peter Desnoyers)
  Re: Novell is trying to Sell a derivative of Linux for a big (Bill C. Riemers)
  Re: Handy uudecode patch (Bill C. Riemers)
  dip works if I strace it (Rich Skrenta)
  Re: I SAW CHICAGO! (Mark A. Davis)
  Re: Novell is trying to Sell a derivative of Linux for a big PROFIT.$$$ (Kevin Fluet)
  Re: Is it possible to have voice mail in Linux? (Kevin B. Fluet)
  Re: DON'T LET THESE GUYS ROB YOU!!! (Re: jana (CD ROM A MONTH) comments (Eric Shalkey)
  A few questions about Linux (Marcus Cheng)
  Re: Novell is trying to Sell a derivative of Linux for a big (Matt Pharr)
  Linux Users in Southern California Mailing list. (Sang Y. Yum)
  Re: I SAW CHICAGO! (Arlie Davis)
  Re: HOWTO files leave out one important part (Matt Welsh)
  xloadimage needed (Christian Seiler)
  Linux and IDE drive = 1GByte (sst)
  Re: X11R6 Xfree and Motif? (Kent A Vander Velden)
  Re: XHost Program (Kent A Vander Velden)
  Re: Amoeba 5.2 now available by FTP for universities (Jon Skelton)
  Status of Debian 0.92? (Garrett D'Amore)

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
From: michael@selway.umt.edu (michael babcock)
Subject: Re: Novell is trying to Sell a derivative of Linux for a big
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 1994 19:25:47 GMT

In article <1994Apr25.215313.11522@kf8nh.wariat.org>,
Brandon S. Allbery <bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org> wrote:

>* How much, if any, of this would be released under the GPL?  (Looking Glass
>is obviously out.  How about the claimed MS-Windows support?  Is it based on
>Wine, or on Wabi, or on something Novell's been up to internally, perhaps
>based on Novell (ex-DR) DOS?)  (Serious question.)
>
>* How many "undercover agents" do they have on the iBCS2, MS-DOS, and WINE
>Linux-Activists lists?  :-)  (Come to think of it, I thought I saw an
>interesting comment on one of the lists from someone at Novell; maybe I should
>check my archives...)  (And there *is* --- or at least was --- a Novell DOS
>developer involved with dosemu...)

I heard a _rumour_ from someone who usually knows what he's talking about that
Novell was "watching the Wine project very closely, with great interest". 

Personally, I would like to see Wine put under the GPL, and soon. Not that
I have any say in it, of course -- just an opinion.

Michael Babcock
michael@selway.umt.edu

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From: cemeier@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Charles E Meier)
Subject: Re: I SAW CHICAGO!
Date: 28 Apr 1994 03:13:12 GMT

In article <1994Apr26.183946.22754@taylor.wyvern.com>,
Mark A. Davis <mark@taylor.wyvern.com> wrote:
>newcombe@aa.csc.peachnet.edu (Dan Newcombe) writes:
>
>>In article <2pi24l$6rq@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> jr7877@eehpx12 (Jason V Robertson) writes:
>
>>I think this month or last month's issue of Wired had an article on it.  There 
>>is a federal judge or someone who is getting ready to launch a very big 
>>anti-trust suit against Microsoft.
>
>Too bad we don't have the Judge's email address.... I have QUITE a few
>people who would be interested in sending email on the subject.

Relax, you've got years of time to snail-mail the judge.  Typical big anti-
trust actions can take a decade or more.

<cemeier@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>


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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.advocacy
From: peter@nmti.com (Peter da Silva)
Subject: Re: Novell & Linux: Why?
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 1994 15:38:34 GMT

In article <1994Apr27.214558.31863@kf8nh.wariat.org>,
Brandon S. Allbery <bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org> wrote:
> A number of reports I've heard claim that SVR4 isn't all that stable...

System V release 4 is about as stable as Balancing Rock.
-- 
Peter da Silva                                            `-_-'
Network Management Technology Incorporated                 'U` 
1601 Industrial Blvd.     Sugar Land, TX  77478  USA
+1 713 274 5180                       "Hast Du heute schon Deinen Wolf umarmt?"

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From: rene@renux.frmug.fr.net (Rene COUGNENC)
Subject: Re: Linux Journal cheated me ???
Date: 27 Apr 1994 22:16:23 GMT
Reply-To: cougnenc@hsc.fr.net (Rene COUGNENC)

Ce brave vsta@descartes.uwaterloo.ca ecrit:


> I made a phone call to the 1-800 numer (Which turned out to be
> somewhere in NewYork) to subcribe to the LINUX JOURNAL magazine. A man
               ^^^^^^^^
> and the other is 322.00 $CAN. Those purchases had made to some computer 
> store in Toronto (which I never heard about). And that just give me extra
           ^^^^^^^
Where do you live exactly... ? I would say that somemone around you, stole
your credit card number and used it... I may be wrong, but seen from France
that's what comes to mind...

--
 linux linux linux linux -[ cougnenc@renux.frmug.fr.net ]- linux linux linux 

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.misc,comp.os.386bsd.misc,comp.os.unix.misc,comp.windows.x.misc
From: ben@rex.uokhsc.edu (Benjamin Z. Goldsteen)
Subject: Re: OpenStep for $100
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 1994 03:08:35 GMT
Reply-To: benjamin-goldsteen@uokhsc.edu

newcombe@aa.csc.peachnet.edu (Dan Newcombe) writes:

>In article <1994Apr20.123815.2746@taylor.wyvern.com> mark@taylor.wyvern.com (Mark A. Davis) writes:

>>Why not just buy Unixware?  If you want a commercial quality Unix, $186
>>for it and Merge and TCP/ip and Xwindows and Motif and and  is not too bad.
>>Do we really need yet another OS?

>Because it's not Linux  :)   

>Seriously, I thought the original post on this subject was to develop an 
>interface for X that would act like NeXTStep, not to write their own NeXTStep.

>Personally, I'd just be happy with the Icon Bar.

Not quite the same, but you might look at the program "Bricons" on
ftp.x.org.  The Motif version looks pretty nice...of course the whole thing
is not quite as integrated as NextStep but...
-- 
Benjamin Z. Goldsteen

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From: rob@bip.anatomy.upenn.edu (Robert G. Smith)
Subject: Re: traceroute?
Date: 28 Apr 1994 03:36:18 GMT

cota@pacific.centre.edu wrote:

: Is there a version of traceroute for Linux?  I didn't find it on

"traceroute" is part of the slackware 1.2 distribution,
in the "n1" (networking) disk.  Available at 
sunsite.unc.edu:pub/Linux/distributions/slackware,
or ftp.cdrom.com:pub/linux/slackware.  When I compiled it,
it worked correctly the first time.

Rob Smith

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From: peterd@harry.dev.cdx.mot.com (Peter Desnoyers)
Subject: Re: New developments in Novell's expose. (responses to previous post)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 1994 17:57:25 GMT

wdevine@diralect.me.pvamu.edu (William Devine) writes:

>a large sum of money.  I have had internet access since i was in high
>school (i'm a senior in college now) and have never really thought about
>others that pay for programs and the like that are freely available.
>This was a new concept to me for a company to want to sale a product to
>people that they could get for free with a cheap $30/month unix shell
>account and ftp access.  Especially if they sold it for a good sum
>of money.  

Some other people may have pointed this out to you...

I'm in a situation where (at work) I would gladly pay money for
something that I could get for free. Because:

(a) As a general rule, upper managers aren't network literate and
don't understand free software. They're much more comfortable with
something that they've paid for, and you just don't tell them that
they could have gotten it for free.

(b) Support. Upper management does understand support. They understand
that their own engineers' time isn't free, and it's often cheaper in
the long run to pay outside experts to support something that it is to
pay internal sub-experts to sit around and become expert.

(c) Money. At 1000 bytes/sec and $30-$50/hour for engineering time with
overhead, it costs $8-$14/megabyte to download "free" software from
that $30/month account. Besides, downloading large packages over a
modem is a thankless job. I'd rather get paid to do something a bit
more interesting.

Anyway, I just wanted to point out to you that there are more
considerations involved in buying software than the amount of money
that changes hands. (after all, why does a company *ever* pay money to
any other company, instead of just doing the job themselves...)

In fact, one reason I'm a big fan of the GPL is that I *can* use GPLed
software effectively at work, because people can sell it and charge
for support.

                                Peter Desnoyers
-- 

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From: bcr@k9.via.term.none (Bill C. Riemers)
Subject: Re: Novell is trying to Sell a derivative of Linux for a big
Date: 27 Apr 94 00:36:28 GMT
Reply-To: bcr@physics.purdue.edu


There is nothing in the GNU public license that prevents you from "selling"
modified versions of Linux.  Just be forwarned that anybody else can turn
around and sell it cheaper, or free.  Furthermore the source code must
be made available on request.  So someone else can even make improvements
on the improvements.  If Novell wants to enter the game with these rules
they are welcome to it.  If they really do make "big profits", then it
would be benificial to obtain a copy and undercut them, or upload there
modifications to the ftp site of your choise.  

                         Bill

P.S. I'll happily sell my modified version of Linux for only $3000.  Hey
for that price I'll even provide a 386 to run it on.

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From: bcr@k9.via.term.none (Bill C. Riemers)
Subject: Re: Handy uudecode patch
Date: 27 Apr 94 01:16:56 GMT
Reply-To: bcr@physics.purdue.edu

Here are two programs you might try.  The first one is
"uuread", the second is "manyuudecode".  I find "manyuudecode" is
smarter, but "uuread" does not require "uudecode".


=====

#include <stdio.h>
#include <string.h>

#define TRUE    1
#define FALSE   0
#define DEC(c)  (((c) - ' ') & 077)
#define LENGTH  150

extern void uuread();
FILE *out;

void main(argc, argv)
int argc;
char *argv[];
{
  int error=FALSE, argno;
  FILE *infile;

  if (argc < 2)
    uuread(stdin);
  else
    for (argno = 1; !error && argno < argc; argno++)
      if (error = ((infile = fopen(argv[argno], "r")) == NULL))
        fprintf(stderr, "uucat: Can't open '%s' for input.\n", argv[argno]);
      else
        uuread(infile), fclose(infile);
  exit(0);
}


void uuread(infile)
FILE *infile;
{
  char *s2, *s1, *s0, *tmp_s;
  int length;
  static char s[3 * (LENGTH + 1)];
  static int echo_on = FALSE, started = FALSE, just_finished = FALSE;
  static int line_length = 0, lines_to_go = 0, firstline=FALSE;

  s0 = s;
  s1 = s0 + (LENGTH + 1);
  s2 = s1 + (LENGTH + 1);

  s0[0] = s1[0] = s2[0] = '\0';  /* Clear strings */

  while (fgets(s0, LENGTH, infile) != NULL)
  {
    s0[LENGTH] = '\0';  /* Make sure string is terminated */

    if (just_finished)
      just_finished = FALSE; /* yea I don't why either */

    if (!started)
      {
        if (strncmp(s0, "begin ", 6) == 0)
          {
            int mode;
            char dest[128];
            firstline=TRUE;
            started = echo_on = TRUE, line_length = 0, lines_to_go = 0;
            sscanf(s0, "begin %o %s", &mode, dest);
            out = fopen(dest, "w");
            if (out == NULL) perror(dest), exit(4);
          }
      }
    else  /* started */
    {
      length = strlen(s0);
      if (line_length == 0)
        line_length = length;

      if (echo_on)
      {
        lines_to_go = 0;
        if (s0[0] != 'M' || length != line_length)
        {
          echo_on = FALSE;
          lines_to_go = 2;  /* Lines to go before 'end' is expected */
          if (s0[0] == ' ' || s0[0] == '`')
            lines_to_go = 1;
        }
      }
      else  /* !echo_on */
        if (s0[0] == 'M' && length == line_length)
          echo_on = TRUE;
        else if (lines_to_go > 0)
          if (lines_to_go == 2)
            if (s0[0] == ' ' || s0[0] == '`')
              lines_to_go = 1;
            else
              lines_to_go = 0;  /* Unexpected line, so break off */
          else if (lines_to_go == 1)
            if (strcmp(s0, "end\n") == 0)
            {
              doaline(s2, stdout);
              doaline(s1, stdout);
              lines_to_go = 0;  /* Done. Break off */
              just_finished = TRUE;
              started = FALSE;
            }
            else
              lines_to_go = 0;  /* Unexpected line, so break off */
    }
    
    if (echo_on&&(!firstline))
      doaline(s0, stdout), s0[0] = '\0';
    else if (firstline)
      firstline=FALSE;
    
    tmp_s = s2, s2 = s1, s1 = s0, s0 = tmp_s;
  }
}

/*
 * copy from in to out, decoding as you go along.
 */
doaline(s)
     char s[];
{
  char *bp;
  int n;
  if ((n=DEC(s[0])) > 0)
    {
      bp = &s[1];
      while (n > 0)
        outdec(bp, n), bp += 4, n -= 3;
    }
}

/*
 * output a group of 3 bytes (4 input characters).
 * the input chars are pointed to by p, they are to
 * be output to file f.  n is used to tell us not to
 * output all of them at the end of the file.
 */
outdec(p, n)
     char *p;
{
  int c1, c2, c3;
  
  c1 = DEC(*p) << 2 | DEC(p[1]) >> 4;
  c2 = DEC(p[1]) << 4 | DEC(p[2]) >> 2;
  c3 = DEC(p[2]) << 6 | DEC(p[3]);
  if (n >= 1) putc(c1, out);
  if (n >= 2) putc(c2, out);
  if (n >= 3) putc(c3, out);
}


Or try this one:
#!/bin/sh -

cat $*|awk '
function uudecode(file){close(file);system("uudecode " file ";rm -f " file)}
BEGIN {f=0}
END {if(f>0){uudecode(file)}}

{if($0 ~ /^begin [0-7][0-7][0-7] [^\ ]+$/)
  {if(f>0){uudecode(file)};file=$3 ".uu";print>file;f=4;next}
 else if($0 !~ /^[!-`]+$|^end$/) {f=(f>0)?1:0}
 else if(f>0 &&
  $0 ~ /^M............................................................$/)
  {print>file;f=4}
 else if(f>1)
  {l[--f]=$0;if(f<3&&l[f+1]=="`"&&l[f]=="end")
    {for(i=3;i>=f;i--){print l[i]>file};uudecode(file);f=0}}}'


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From: skrenta@summit.novell.com (Rich Skrenta)
Subject: dip works if I strace it
Date: 28 Apr 1994 01:02:50 -0400

I'm running Slackware 1.1.1 from the Transameritech CD.  I'm trying
to use dip to slip into a host.  It's hanging after sending the
login, waiting for ord:.  If I strace it to see what it's actually
getting back from the modem, however, the connection works.

Any ideas?

Thanks.

--
Rich Skrenta <skrenta@summit.novell.com>

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From: mark@taylor.wyvern.com (Mark A. Davis)
Subject: Re: I SAW CHICAGO!
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 1994 02:55:55 GMT

dan@oea.hacktic.nl writes:

>Mark A. Davis (mark@taylor.wyvern.com) wrote:

>: I just talked to Gateway2000.  They are REQUIRED to load lots of Microsoft
>: software on ALL their computers or Microsoft will not allow them to sell
>: ANY Microsoft software.

>Whom did you talk to? The CEO, the President or their corporate lawyers?
>Just curious.

One of the customer service reps who called to poll me about a recent
purchase of a Handbook [for Linux, of course].  I complained about the
Mircosloth phenomenon, that is how she responded.  She did seem rather
assumed about her answer, and said she had gotton similar complaints in
the past.
-- 
  /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\
  | Mark A. Davis    | Lake Taylor Hospital | Norfolk, VA (804)-461-5001x431 |
  | Sys.Administrator|  Computer Services   | mark@taylor.wyvern.com   .uucp |
  \--------------------------------------------------------------------------/

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
From: user1@valis.ampr.ab.ca (Kevin Fluet)
Subject: Re: Novell is trying to Sell a derivative of Linux for a big PROFIT.$$$
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 1994 16:08:13 GMT

rothstei@Monkey.mcs.kent.edu (Michael Rothstein) writes:

>Hmmmm: I'd better be cautious here: there are two possibilities:
>a) Novell is enhancing some Linux code: if they are not revealing their
>enhancements and releasing source with them, they can be taken to court, or

I don't think Novell is stupid enough to allow themselves to be sued this
easily.  

>b) It is a case of porting "Looking Glass" to Linux, which, though
>not a pleasant thought, is not illegal: after all, it would not be the
>first commercial product to run under Linux.

Sounds good to me, actually.  Linux has been needing a nice standard desktop
manager all along.  I've been drooling over Unixware for months with all
it's very nice GUI features...

>Actually, this represents a milestone in Linux's history: this is the first
>case of a big software player addressing the Linux community with apps,
>thereby making Linux even more attractive to people out there.

I'd buy it in a second.  

>We should check whether (b) is the case, and if so, leave them alone:
>this might turn out to be a good thing for Linux (TM)

Absolutely.  In fact, if it is true, we should encourage what they are
doing.  Let them know you think this is a very cool idea, and that you plan
on  purchasing this product when it comes out.  

I'd hate to see the project killed because of some zealots confused about
what 'free' means were the only people who said anything.  

I have to say, though, that this whole thing sounds like some sort of
joke...

-- Kevin

============================================================
Kevin Fluet               WorldGate Public Access Internet
kfluet@ccinet.ab.ca       Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
kevin@valis.ampr.ab.ca    (403)444-7685

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From: kevin@valis.ampr.ab.ca (Kevin B. Fluet)
Subject: Re: Is it possible to have voice mail in Linux?
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 1994 16:36:13 GMT

root@datasoft.com (DataSoft Communications SysAdmin) writes:

>A good answering machine only costs about $40 and doesn't require $2000 worth of
>computer equipment to run it. Connect the power cord and the phone cord, and
>you are in business! :) A good place to start is your local Radio Shack.

>I will not offer my opinion on the nature of your question. :)

Sure, and an old electric typewriter doesn't cost $5000 like that Sun
workstation on your desk, and all you need to do is plug that in, too.

Voice mail is NOT that expensive to add to a modem (my ZyXEL 16.8
Data/Fax/Voice cost me about $300 US) and a voice-mail capable modem
delivers a heck of a lot better functionality than a $40 answering machine. 
I could run a voice BBS off of my ZyXEL if I wanted to (the Linux software I
have seen doesn't quite cut it yet, but there is EXCELLENT DOS software).

-- Kevin

============================================================
Kevin Fluet               WorldGate Public Access Internet
kfluet@ccinet.ab.ca       Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
kevin@valis.ampr.ab.ca    (403)444-7685

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From: shalkey@austin.ibm.com (Eric Shalkey)
Subject: Re: DON'T LET THESE GUYS ROB YOU!!! (Re: jana (CD ROM A MONTH) comments
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 1994 14:03:37 GMT
Reply-To: shalkey@ausvm6.vnet.ibm.com


Heinz:  

  I'm one of the Jana unfortunates as well - can you post information about the
Infomagic release?  What do they include?

-- 
Eric Shalkey
IBM Power Personal Systems, Austin
Standard Disclaimers Apply

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From: mcheng@unixg.ubc.ca (Marcus Cheng)
Subject: A few questions about Linux
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 22:15:15

I have a few questions about Linux :

1.  What is the latest version of Linux ?  And which FTP site has it (eg. 
     sunsite, funet or tmx-11) ?

2. If I have installed a previous version of Linux and want to upgrade to the 
latest version, will I need to reinstall the whole system ?   Are there any 
Linux upgrades that I can get from ftp ?

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
From: mpharr@lecter.us.oracle.com (Matt Pharr)
Subject: Re: Novell is trying to Sell a derivative of Linux for a big
Reply-To: mpharr@us.oracle.com
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 1994 03:26:13 GMT

In article <2phu37$76s@acme.gatech.edu> gtd543a@prism.gatech.edu
        (Jeff Garzik) writes:
   In article <2pgeod$eb3@iaccess.cstat.co.za>,
    <steve@iaccess.cstat.co.za> wrote:
   >I think that Novell should be encouraged to use Linux as the core operating
   >system for Expose.

   >Surely (presuming this post is not a joke) this is a great compliment to
   >Linus and the rest of the developers on Linux?

   ONLY if they do not charge for the Linux portion.  As long as:

           (a) Novell provides source per GPL
           (b) Novell does not charge for the Linux binary portion

   I wholeheartedly support the venture.  However, if they are going to
   charge for Linux, which they did not develop at all, it is a HUGE INSULT
   to Linux developers and users everywhere.

How's it insulting if they charge for Linux? Is it more insulting than
TransAmeritech charging for Linux on CD-ROM? What about the people (other
than the FSF) who sell CD-ROM's with GNU Emacs and GCC on them? Anyone's
selling Linux, for whatever price, is fully kosher according to the GPL, so
long as they release it under the GPL and don't further restrict the
distribution of it.

Most of the people who develop software and release it under the GPL
understand the ramifications of doing so. Reselling GPL'ed software by
people who had nothing to do with its creation is fully permitted by the
GPL and should be expected--the main goal of the GPL is to make the
distribution of software 'free,' so that services like support and
enhancements become the basis for charging for software, and I'm sure that
Linus and most other Linux developers understood this and bought into this
philosophy when they used the GPL themselves.

"Licensed under the GPL" isn't a newfangled way to say "freeware" or
"shareware"; an author's use of the GPL implies that he accepts the FSF's
view of how software should righly be distributed. When the sort of
distribution that the GPL facilitates happens, no one should be surprised
or angry--it means that the GPL is working as planned...

-Matt
--
Matt Pharr   (mpharr@us.oracle.com)    | "It's funny how the colors of the real
Technical Staff                        |  world only seem real when you see
Sun Products Group                     |  them on the screen"
Oracle Corporation                     |     -- A Clockwork Orange

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From: syy@ElSegundoCA.NCR.COM (Sang Y. Yum)
Crossposted-To: ca.wanted
Subject: Linux Users in Southern California Mailing list.
Date: 28 Apr 94 15:53:13 GMT
Reply-To: syy@ElSegundoCA.NCR.COM

Hi, 

A group of us (actually three for now) are interested in 
forming a mailing list for Linux Users in So. Cal.

If you are interested, please e-mail me.

Thanks

Sang

---
Sang Y. Yum                 Sang.Yum@ElSegundoCA.NCR.COM


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From: arlie@thepoint.com (Arlie Davis)
Subject: Re: I SAW CHICAGO!
Date: 28 Apr 1994 01:33:05 -0400

george@ee.ualberta.ca (Jason George) writes:

>Given its current incarnation, NT is an ok NOS with a GUI, but given the fact
>that most of the 'new' features are ports from Unix, it should work a helluva
>lot better than it does.  I can crash our NT box faster than I can crash our
>Linux box.  Go figure.  I digress.

NT reminds me of IBM.  "It might be expensive, but it sure is slow!"

Here's some food for thought.  Consider these three machines.  All
are using 486DX2/66 on identical EISA motherboards.  All have 3Com579 EISA
ethernet cards, and are connected on a local network.  All have gobs of
memory (Linux box: 64M, NT box: 128M, Solaris 2.1 box: 128M).

TCP/IP performance, and performance in general, was wonderful between the
Linux box and the Solaris box.  X over the network worked beautifully --
the joys of networked protocols!  Telnet logins between the two tore
my face off.  FTP averages about 500K/s.

Ok, then I ran the telnet client on the NT box, and connected to the
Solaris box.  I swear, I thought I was going over a 2400 baud link.
Screen updates took *forever*.

It would take a lot to convince me that NT is going to rule the market.
Good and fast TCP/IP implementation is crucial, and it ain't there.

-- 
-- Arlie Davis
-- System administrator
-- <arlie@thepoint.com>

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From: mdw@cs.cornell.edu (Matt Welsh)
Subject: Re: HOWTO files leave out one important part
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 1994 05:29:55 GMT

In article <2pifu5$9jf@cyberspace.com> bcj@cyberspace.com (Brett Jones) writes:
>I *TOTALLY* agree!  I've been playing with Linux the last couple of days, 
>and when trying to do something as simple as configuring Mail, the HOWTO 
>files are woefully lacking.  Lots of references to things that need to be 
>configured, but only few references to where they reside on the disk.  
>Give me a break ... 'active' appeared in two places, along with several 
>other config files.  Of course, I had only found the wrong copies to play 
>with and spent a few hours trying to figure out why my changes weren't 
>taking.

As I tried to explain to the original poster, complaining, especially
on USENET, doesn't fix anything. If you managed to get mail up and
running, and would like to share some tips and information with the
rest of the world, by all means send it to the author of the appropriate
HOWTO and ask them to include it. 

If you don't find the documentation up to par, you can only blame 
yourself for not doing something to improve it. I have always been open 
to submissions, comments, and corrections on any of the Linux documents. 
All of the HOWTOs solicit reader comment, as far as I know. 

The same goes for the Linux software. If you have problems with 
it, help to fix it. Linux (the software and the documentation)
belong to all of us; we're all responsible for the quality.

mdw

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From: seiler@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Christian Seiler)
Subject: xloadimage needed
Date: 28 Apr 1994 14:55:52 GMT

Hi!
I need "xloadimage" compiled with linux or as source!
Anyone got it?
thanks in advance!
ciao Chris

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From: sst@slipknot.mit.edu (sst)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Linux and IDE drive = 1GByte
Date: 29 Apr 94 04:48:59 GMT

There is an ad in PC-Week, Dell is now offering a XPS90
Pentium computer at $3599.  I think this is a terrific deal.
It comes with 1Gbyte IDE.  Does any one know whether Linux
will work with IDE hard drive of 1 GB at all?  I'm thinking of
getting one.

Thanks
--Thang


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From: graphix@iastate.edu (Kent A Vander Velden)
Subject: Re: X11R6 Xfree and Motif?
Date: 28 Apr 94 16:30:05 GMT

In <CoyysA.CLu@scr.siemens.com> aoppelt@scr.siemens.com (Achim Oppelt) writes:

>tal@st-andrews.ac.uk (Timothy Andrew Lister) writes:

>>From what I have heard the next version of Xfree86 (2.2 I think) will
>>include the extra stuff that will be in X11R6. I (and probably the Xfree 
>>guys) have no idea when the next version will come out.

>>It would be a help to have X11R6 first ! ;-)

>The last thing I heard was that the X11R6 distribution will include
>XFree86 3.0, meaning that as soon as X11R6 is released, we will all
>have a new XFree86 supporting the new features.

Aren't rumors great?

2.1.1 will be released soon to correct bugs, no new (few) additions
will be be made to prevent the introduction of new (certainly 
unwanted) bugs.

2.2? Never heard of it...

3.0 will be based on X11R6 but it will certainly not be released on
the same date as X11R6 i.e. May2.

But then again the above might also be a rumor :)

 
-- 
Kent Vander Velden                          Project Vincent
graphix@iastate.edu                         System Operations
                                            Student Development Group
                                            Engineering Animation, Inc.

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From: graphix@iastate.edu (Kent A Vander Velden)
Subject: Re: XHost Program
Date: 28 Apr 94 16:36:50 GMT

In <Coz72C.2zK@ucdavis.edu> ez016474@hamlet.ucdavis.edu (Steven R. Weise) writes:

>   I wanted to find out if anyone knew if there was a way to use the
>XHost, or a similar program, over the modem? Just thought I would check.

Your question is rather vague.... do you know about term, SLIP or PPP?


-- 
Kent Vander Velden                          Project Vincent
graphix@iastate.edu                         System Operations
                                            Student Development Group
                                            Engineering Animation, Inc.

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From: skelton@tyrell.net (Jon Skelton)
Subject: Re: Amoeba 5.2 now available by FTP for universities
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 1994 14:39:55 GMT


: >     WHAT THE HELL IS THIS DOING ON COMP.OS.LINUX.ANNOUNCE?!  NOT
: > ONLY IS IT NOT ABOUT LINUX, IT IS ABOUT A COMPETING PRODUCT, FOR G*D'S
: > SAKE!


I learned of Linux while reading an OS/2 newsgroup.  Someone needs to 
chill the %&*# out.

Jon
skelton@tyrell.net

Linux 1.0 is really cool.  

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From: garrett@theseus.sdsu.edu (Garrett D'Amore)
Subject: Status of Debian 0.92?
Date: 28 Apr 1994 06:40:40 GMT

Does anybody know what the status of Debian 0.92 is?  I'm getting ready
to upgrade my very old Slackware (non-FSSTND compliant) system, and want to
try out Debian.  Can I expect Debian 0.92 anytime soon (like in the next
week or so), or should I just go to 0.91 now?

Any word from Ian would be especially helpful... :^)  I think I am not
the only one interested in getting this information. :^)

=================================================================
Garrett D'Amore                 |     garrett@sciences.sdsu.edu
Network Programmer/Analyst      |     SDSU College of Sciences
SDSU Computer Science Major     |     Author of "vtprint"
=================================================================

Ask me about Linux, the free 32-bit Unix-like OS for PCs!

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