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Subject:  Linux-Misc Digest #20

Linux-Misc Digest #20, Volume #2                 Thu, 28 Apr 94 03:14:03 EDT

Contents:
  Re: My experience with JANA CD-ROM A MONTH :-( (Alan Osborne)
  Re: Linux on IBMSLC2-66 (j. hurwitz)
  Re: Linux on IBMSLC2-66 (j. hurwitz)
  Re: Novell is trying to Sell a derivative of Linux for a big (Dan Newcombe)
  Re: Linux, GPL and software development ??? (Arnt Gulbrandsen)
  Re: lynx with FANCY_CURSES? (aka where are there libcurses?) (Daniel Barlow)
  Re: Linux on IBMSLC2-66 (Sujat Jamil)
  Re: My experience with JANA CD-ROM A MONTH :-( (Anthony Lovell)
  Re: Novell Linux (lilo)
  Re: LILO - Can I add a command line argument to /etc/lilo.conf? (CHRISTOPHER D DUKES)
  Linux CD Deals (Paul R. Lyons)
  XWindows drivers for #9GE_S3-864 and ATI_ProTurbo? (sst)
  mgetty20 bug ? (-|/\/`/(|-))
  Re: Anyone running on a Toshiba Portable? (Ed Pendzik)
  Re: HOWTO files leave out one important part (Sean A. Long)
  POEIGL getty updated for Linux 1.1.*? (Arjan de Vet)
  Re: I SAW CHICAGO! (Dan Newcombe)
  Re: I SAW CHICAGO! (John Markus Bjoerndalen)

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From: alan@osborne.demon.co.uk (Alan Osborne)
Subject: Re: My experience with JANA CD-ROM A MONTH :-(
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 12:06:15 +0000

Jeremy S. Nichols (jsn1@maroon.tc.umn.edu) wrote:

: These threads have been amusing. I'm not angry any more. A year ago I sent $60
: to a JANA Publishing for a one year 6 CD subscription of Linux and Next stuff.
: I have only received three disks, the last one in November. I think the latest
: 'JANA' are the same folks who still owe me $30 or 3 CDs. Hard to tell--their
: e-mail address keeps changing.

I only ever got one :-(
Since April last year :-()


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From: jhurwitz@access1.digex.net (j. hurwitz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Linux on IBMSLC2-66
Date: 27 Apr 1994 08:47:20 -0400

In article <merlyn.767062163@winternet.mpls.mn.us>,
Doug McIntyre <merlyn@winternet.mpls.mn.us> wrote:
>
>Sometimes I'm amazed that anybody can run anything on the 486SLC/66. 
>Around here, we worry about customer's trying to do anything with 
>these boards. Sound cards and net boards seem especially prone not to
>work at all with this board. Looking at the construction of it, I'm 
>amazed that it works at all. I've seen them with that tiny CPU halfway
>wrenched off its pads, and huge gouges on the corners. 


The biggest downfall of the Leopard boards is they have a 16bit buss
on them. For a couple of hundred more you can get a machine with twice
the performance. Besides, it's made by IBM, remember they made
Micro-channel and the 8514. For me, that is good enough reson to stay
away.

-- 
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- jhurwitz@digex.net ---------- LINUX, the choice of a GNU generation -
=======================================================================

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From: jhurwitz@access1.digex.net (j. hurwitz)
Subject: Re: Linux on IBMSLC2-66
Date: 27 Apr 1994 08:52:42 -0400

In article <jkleinCorzy4.JMA@netcom.com>,
Jordan Klein <jklein@netcom.com> wrote:
>
>I used the Slackware 1.1.0 distribution of Linux, and kept my kernels current
>by patching them with releases from ftp.funet.fi.  The motherboard performed
>beautifully.  I never had a single crash of Linux while with this board.  As
>far as speed went, the board performed nearly as well as an INTEL 486DX2/66
>board would.  My video was also incredibly fast under X because of the #9 
>video card.
>

NOT TRUE!... the 486slc2/66 gets 18.32 Bogomips in Linux. 486DX2/66
gets more than 36 bogomips!. I don't know where you found them to be
of similar performance?. Besides the 486slc2/66 is a 16bit mother
board, so tell me how it will run as fast as the DX2 boards?.

-- 
=======================================================================
- jhurwitz@digex.net ---------- LINUX, the choice of a GNU generation -
=======================================================================

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From: newcombe@aa.csc.peachnet.edu (Dan Newcombe)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Novell is trying to Sell a derivative of Linux for a big
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 10:02:21

In article <1994Apr26.215203.21817@kf8nh.wariat.org> bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) writes:

>In article <2phu37$76s@acme.gatech.edu>, gtd543a@prism.gatech.edu says:
>|       (a) Novell provides source per GPL
>Correct.
>|       (b) Novell does not charge for the Linux binary portion
>Interesting.  Softlanding Systems and Linux Software Labs are allowed to
>charge, but Novell isn't?  Be serious, please.

I think what the original post was saying was if Novell was to change the 
Kernel to do stuff they want it to do (and maybe, but not likely improve it), 
that if they sold it, due to the GPL, they'd have to make the source to those 
changes availiable (free???).   Or b) Not sell the linux portion, which 
(maybe) under the GPL would mean they wouldn't have to release the source 
changes...though I doubt this one would stand up in court.

--
Dan Newcombe                    newcombe@aa.csc.peachnet.edu
Clayton State College           Morrow, Georgia
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"And the man in the mirror has sad eyes."       -Marillion

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From: agulbra@nvg.unit.no (Arnt Gulbrandsen)
Subject: Re: Linux, GPL and software development ???
Date: 27 Apr 1994 15:09:40 +0200

In article <2phale$b1i@nz12.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de>,
Thomas Koenig <ig25@fg70.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> wrote:
>Dan Rubin (rubin@baseworx.att.com) wrote in article <CotzIp.33t@nntpa.cb.att.com>:
>>Does this mean that if
>>I developed a very useful tool under Linux I cannot sell it?
>
>No.

Almost, almost true, but read the licences, there is at least one
exception.  If you use Bison, your program has to be GPL'd (read the
bison.info file for more info).  You can use byacc instead, but it's
good advice to read the licences for your tools.

Oh, you can sell it anyway, but don't expect to make large amounts
of money out of selling GPL'd programs.

--Arnt

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From: Daniel.Barlow@sjc.oxford.ac.uk (Daniel Barlow)
Subject: Re: lynx with FANCY_CURSES? (aka where are there libcurses?)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 94 14:04:12 BST

In article <GTAYLOR.94Apr18175708@god.ext.tufts.edu>,
Grant Taylor <gtaylor@cs.tufts.edu> wrote:
>I would like to build the WWW browser lynx with the FANCY_CURSES
>option on my Linux box.  The catch is that the libcurses I have hasn't
>the support needed - bold, underline, etc.
>
>Ncurses is apparently a different thing, so I would seem to need a
>better implementation of curses.  Can anyone point me at a libcurses
>that would work?

Ncurses is not all that 'different' as I have successfully compiled a
FANCY_CURSES lynx with it with no source changes.  You still don't get
real underlining though (at least, I don't), it just uses a different
colour or bold or something.  I think that's a limitation of the VGA
adaptor

Daniel
-- 
Daniel.Barlow@sjc.ox.ac.uk              dbarlow@teaching.physics.ox.ac.uk

"He'd never wanted much, except perhaps to be left alone and not woken up
 until midday"                          -- Moving Pictures, Terry Pratchett

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From: sujat@shasta.ee.umn.edu (Sujat Jamil)
Subject: Re: Linux on IBMSLC2-66
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 1994 19:02:36 GMT

In article <jkleinCorzy4.JMA@netcom.com>,
Jordan Klein <jklein@netcom.com> wrote:
>For about 6 months, I used an IBMSLC2/66 motherboard sold by Alaris.  I had
>16MB of RAM on it, 128K cache, #9 GXE Level 12 Vesa local bus video card
>(blindingly fast :), 2 IDE hard drives, etc running on it.
>
>I used the Slackware 1.1.0 distribution of Linux, and kept my kernels current
>by patching them with releases from ftp.funet.fi.  The motherboard performed
>beautifully.  I never had a single crash of Linux while with this board.  As
>far as speed went, the board performed nearly as well as an INTEL 486DX2/66
>board would.  My video was also incredibly fast under X because of the #9 
>video card.
>
>If you don't need to go beyond 16MB of RAM, then I would definitely recommend
>the IBM board for use with Linux.  I pounded on my motherboard very hard with
>linux, and it never once failed on me.
>
>Jordan Klein
>jklein@netcom.com
>root@[134.68.249.41] <-- PPP
>-- 

Hear! Hear!  I too have been using an Alaris SLC2-66 Leopard
motherboard based machine for since January, and have had zero
compatibility problems with Linux and XFree86.  By the way, XF86
compatibility would depend on the video card not the motherboard.  My
graphics card is supported by XF86.  You might want to check the XF
FAQ before you buy your system.  

I don't understand why some other people are having problems with this
motherboard.  If Alaris is really an IBM subsidiary (I don't know for
sure), it would seem odd that it'd have compatibility problems, since
IBM may be many things, but it's not known for poor quality or cluged
products. (Please, this is not a flame bait. :> )

Anyway, can't speak for others having problems.  But, I have had
absolutely no problems with the motherboard.  I've had some minor
problems with my graphics card etc, but that's been a function of the
graphics card and the vendor I bought my PC from.  And, I've been
really impressed by the CPU performance.  If your applications are not
FP dependent (the SLC2-66 processor doesn't have on-chip FPU, the
motherboard has a slot for a 387), you get really good speed, for a
much lower price than the 486DX2-66 or 486DX50 motherboard. (Also keep
in mind the SLC2-66 has a 16k on-chip cache vs. 8k in the DX2-66 or
DX50.)

Hope this helps.


Sujat
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_______________________________________________________________________________
Sujat Jamil                                             Electrical Engineering
Graduate Research Assistant                             University of Minnesota
***********                   sujat@shasta.ee.umn.edu               ***********

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From: alovell@kerberos.demon.co.uk (Anthony Lovell)
Subject: Re: My experience with JANA CD-ROM A MONTH :-(
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 1994 13:22:17 GMT

Jeremy S. Nichols (jsn1@maroon.tc.umn.edu) wrote:

: >I ordered a Linux CD from JANA back around the end of Jan. 94'.  I got billed
: >right away for it but did not receive it for over 2 months!  Of course that is
: >nothing compared to others that have not seen one for over 7 months!!!  Well

: These threads have been amusing. I'm not angry any more. A year ago I sent $60
: to a JANA Publishing for a one year 6 CD subscription of Linux and Next stuff.
: I have only received three disks, the last one in November. I think the latest
: 'JANA' are the same folks who still owe me $30 or 3 CDs. Hard to tell--their
: e-mail address keeps changing.

I did the same, so far I've only received 2 of the 6 CD's that I've paid for.

--

anthony

==============================================================================
alovell@kerberos.demon.co.uk          |   If at first you don't succeed
                                      |
alovell@cix.compulink.co.uk           |   Get a Bigger Hammer
==============================================================================

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From: lilo@slip-2-29 (lilo)
Subject: Re: Novell Linux
Date: 25 Apr 1994 20:40:09 GMT

On Mon, 25 Apr 1994 14:19:14 GMT, Lee Bohan (lbohan@hursley.ibm.com) wrote:

> May I sent a trend opposed to the appender in LINUX.ANNOUNCE in welcoming this
> move. It will help LINUX to increase it's user base (especially amongst the
> corporate world - many of us aren't allowed to use PD at work) and give it some
> degree of credibility. I look forward to buying my copy if it delivers all that
> is promised.

Isn't this whole discussion is based on an unsubstantiated rumor?  ;)



lilo

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From: cddukes@eos.ncsu.edu (CHRISTOPHER D DUKES)
Subject: Re: LILO - Can I add a command line argument to /etc/lilo.conf?
Date: 25 Apr 1994 03:28:41 GMT

I would suggest recompiling the kernel with the options you need
to get the card to work as the defaults.
-- 
"Very Pete Townshendish." "Who?" "Exactly."
cddukes@eos.ncsu.edu cdukes@nyx.cs.du.edu pakrat@vnet.ibm.com

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From: lyonspr@crd.ge.com (Paul R. Lyons)
Subject: Linux CD Deals
Reply-To: lyonspr@crd.ge.com
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 13:31:14 GMT

I have a friend who is interested in Linux on CD. He posed these questions to me since I am running Linux at home. I used floppy installation of Slackware (great!), so I don't know the answer(s) to his questions. Can someone email him the info he is looking for. 

What do you think the install would be like if I bought one of these
Linux on CD deals?  Would I have to load it on DOS first or do you think one
the CDs will be bootable?  Do you think they will run from CD?  Is Linux for
PCs only or do I have to specify?

His email address is sproven@pablo.elan.af.mil

Thanks in advance

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From: sst@slipknot.mit.edu (sst)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: XWindows drivers for #9GE_S3-864 and ATI_ProTurbo?
Date: 28 Apr 94 05:28:50 GMT

I'd been going thru all the HOWTOs posted in comp.os.linux.announce
nowhere I can find the information on this.  Could anyone please
tell me whether drivers for these cards are being under development?

If they are, is possible for me to temporarily use these cards 
with the standard VGA or SVGA libraries for X, instead? (I guess
it is possible, but comments from experience are welcome)

Thanks
--Thang


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From: davyd@si.upc.es (-|)/\/`/(|-)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.development
Subject: mgetty20 bug ?
Date: 27 Apr 1994 09:12:32 GMT
Reply-To: davyd@si.upc.es

I've running mgetty20 on Linux 0.99.14 kernel.
It runs well, but, from a 14k modem, an user hangups, all the processes die, but if
I ask who's connected, the modem user is connected until another user login by this modem.

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: edp@pt.com (Ed Pendzik)
Subject: Re: Anyone running on a Toshiba Portable?
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 19:03:02 GMT

Harald Milz (hm@seneca.ix.de) wrote:
: Warren Stevens (wgsteven@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca) wrote:
: : > I've heard that people have been running linux on NEC portables
: : > successfully; has anyone managed to get it running on a Toshiba?  If
: : > so, which machine?

I have linux running on a toshiba 4600 4MB/200MB mono w/toshiba scsi adapter
plugged into the docking station port. this scsi adapter looks like a 
big fat scsi terminator and is basiclly an adaptec 1510. I have a sun cd and
a 330 MB scsi drive off the bus. I run debian and X works fine, you set up
x config and tell it that you have a wd90C3x (sp?) video chip. 
starting x -probeponly reports a wd90c20 chip, which isn't supported, but
the wd90c30 chip is supported and looks just like the wd90c20.

Regards,
Ed Pendzik
edp@pt.com

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From: longsa94%cs02@cadetmail.usafa.af.mil (Sean A. Long)
Subject: Re: HOWTO files leave out one important part
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 1994 16:00:54 GMT

In article <Cov6AM.8Lo@sci.kun.nl> pieterh@sci.kun.nl (Peter Herweijer) writes:
>
>Oh, you're using a precompiled Linux -distribution-?
>
>Then please flame the people compiling the distributions for not
>adequately documenting how they organize things.  Leave the HOWTO
>authors alone and let them do their good work.
>
>I understand work has been (is being) done on an organization
>standard.  Let's hope that that'll end the confusion.
>
>That's a fault of your distribution then.  Neither Linu[sx] nor
>the HOWTO authors can be blamed for the mess others make.

It's not a flame as much as it is a plea for help.  I have 30+ meg of stuff, 
and am reduced to executing every file on board to see what happens.  
Please, the last thing I wanted this thread to be was a flame war.  I just 
saw a problem that I hadn't seen mentioned before (I have been reading this 
group for over 6 months), and wanted to get it out in the open.  It really 
is a barrier to linux propagation, and maybe after graduation I can help 
out.  For now, all I can do is make SUGGESTIONS (not flames).

There is no blame, only fact.  And the fact is, linux can't take off unless 
clusers like myself can get up and running without too much trial and error 
because most people aren't very good at that and won't risk their equipment 
to do so.  I found the documentation to set up X very nearly complete, and 
had no problem once I found out what to do.  Only people who have really 
used X before will know what to do after that...  I am not finger pointing, 
and stress the fact that is was user error.  But if I have problems (I was a 
comp-sci major until senioritis lost me my major), I can reasonably forsee 
the average recent non-hacker college grad having some difficulty.  It is 
not a distribution problem either, since without the distributions, I never 
would have even considered trying linux out in the first place.  

Honestly, I was hoping for a quick fix.  A line or two at the end of a howto 
or two saying "now run xinit" or something similiar would be nice, and would 
greatly lower the learning curve for new users.

-=>Sean Long

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From: devet@adv.win.tue.nl (Arjan de Vet)
Subject: POEIGL getty updated for Linux 1.1.*?
Date: 27 Apr 1994 23:16:57 +0200


I am using the getty from poeigl-1.21/1.25. A long time ago dialin worked
without problems with this getty. Recently a friend tried to dialin and it
didn't work anymore. I am now using Linux 1.1.9. Did anybody adapt
agetty.c for the newer kernels such that dialin works?

Ted Ts'o explained the possible problem as follows some time ago:

=============================================================================
   From: devet@adv.win.tue.nl (Arjan de Vet)
   Date: Thu, 7 Apr 1994 01:22:01 +0300


   I am using /dev/ttyS1 for dial-in purposes and /dev/cua1 for dial-out
   purposes. After a dial-out program closes /dev/cua1 I get the following
   error from the getty (poeigl) running on /dev/ttyS1:

       /sbin/getty: /dev/ttyS1: cannot open as standard input: Try again

   The open(2) call which should block until an incoming call arrives returns
   with an error, so getty exits. A next getty succeeds however...

"It's not a bug, it's a feature".  :-)

You should modify your getty that when it receives an EAGAIN error, it
should reopen the tty in non-blocking mode, send the appropriate modem
control strings to reinitalize the modem (after all, the previous
dialout program may have sent any number of modem control strings ---
including ones that may have turned off auto-answer mode), and close the
tty, and then open it in blocking mode.  

The reason for this change was in part because of the security concerns
--- the previous dialout user may have modified the modem in any random
way --- and because of a race condition that required that the tty open
be repeated after the dial-out process closes the tty.

                                                - Ted
=============================================================================

Arjan

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From: newcombe@aa.csc.peachnet.edu (Dan Newcombe)
Subject: Re: I SAW CHICAGO!
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 1994 10:06:49

In article <2pjkal$g8p@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (R S Rodgers) writes:
>>In article <2pe4bn$m7l@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> rsrodger@wam.umd.edu (R S 
Rodgers) writes:>>>>If that is not unfair trade practices, then what is?
>>>        Customer service? 
>>>        Ever tried buying a Pepsi at McDonalds or a cheesburger at a 
>>>        Kosher deli?
>>
>>Go into McDonalds.  Buy a Big Mac.

>        No, buy an "Extra Value Meal."  Try to get it without the 
>        fries.
>        They'll sell it to you, but they wont take any money off.

I thought about this when I wrote about McDee's the last time.  But the extra 
value meal is not the only option on the menu.  You can buy the sandwich and 
the soda and nix the fries without buying the extra-value meal.

--
Dan Newcombe                    newcombe@aa.csc.peachnet.edu
Clayton State College           Morrow, Georgia
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"And the man in the mirror has sad eyes."       -Marillion

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From: johnm@stud.cs.uit.no (John Markus Bjoerndalen)
Subject: Re: I SAW CHICAGO!
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 1994 17:21:33 GMT

In article <2onaj3$qpp@cville-srv.wam.umd.edu> R S Rodgers (rsrodger@wam.umd.edu) wrote:
[deleted some stuff]
 ]      No, *a* deal is the every machine sold.  I've had no trouble buying
 ]      4 PCs in the last six months, none with DOS, none with Windows. 

Lucky you. We bought a couple of extra hard disks here.
Every one of them with MS DOS/Windows installed. 
One windows licence with every harddisk. And it gets better. 
If you manage to damage your windows setup, or maybe
want to add TCP/IP for windows for workgroups, 
you need to buy the diskettes because they don't go 
with the puter. 

Maybe this does not count as another windows licence 
since we can get it cheaper than the regular price. 
Or maybe it does.. never asked them.

Anyway.. Now I have 2 windows licences on my linux puter, 
my brother got 1 windows licence for his Amiga, 
and... oh well.. nevermind... 

Guess microsnarf is going to sell a LOT of windows 
licences in the years ahead...  ;-) 
 
 ]      PAranoids.  Sheesh.

Yep... guess I am ;-) 

--
        / John Markus Bjørndalen
        / johnm@stud.cs.uit.no  (uit)
        / johnm@autosim.no      (work)

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