Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #598
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Thu, 27 Jan 94 14:26:16 EST

Linux-Misc Digest #598, Volume #1                Thu, 27 Jan 94 14:26:16 EST

Contents:
  Re: Slackware needs a shadow package! (Tommy Marcus McGuire)
  Re: Linux more like SysV or BSD? (was Re: Future of Linux) (kelly r brown)
  Re: LSM use (Rui-Tao Dong ~{6-HpLN~})
  Re: Most stable filesystem? (Matthew Donadio)
  Re: [q] about AX25 and Net2Debugged (Donald Jeff Dionne)
  Informal POLL: What do you use Linux for? (T. Daniel Crawford)
  Re: NEC CDR-25 (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Re: new shadow-3.3.1 patches (Brandon S. Allbery)
  emTeX as fast as TeX under Linux (J"urgen Koslowski)
  Re: IDE > 500MB? (Andy Nicola)
  Exabyte 8505 (paul shen)
  Re: MSDOS Better than Linux (Thomas Dunbar)
  Re: Linux as X-Terminal? No! (Dominik Kubla)
  Re: How much disk for Slackware 1.1.1 (Davor Cubranic)
  Re: MSDOS Better than Linux (Richard L. Goerwitz)
  [Q] ASCII -> PS (Harry Sun)
  Booting LGX from floppy with Trantor SCSI & CD (Steven Hayes)
  Re: Linux more like SysV or BSD? (was Re: Future of Linux) (Jan Kasprzak)
  Re: MSDOS Better than Linux (Thomas K. Otake)
  Chinese Terminal & input method (Yue-ming Lan)
  Re: WUARCHIVE LOST :) (Lawrence Foard)
  Re: Attach an X terminal *TO* a Linux box? (Mark A. Davis)
  Re: MSDOS Better than Linux (Mark A. Davis)

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From: mcguire@cs.utexas.edu (Tommy Marcus McGuire)
Subject: Re: Slackware needs a shadow package!
Date: 25 Jan 1994 17:37:24 -0600

In article <1994Jan22.173945.20477@rpp386>,
John F. Haugh II <jfh@rpp386.cactus.org> wrote:
[...]
>As I've told everyone
>else who has approached me to license the code, for a rather reasonable
>fee you get
>

[...]
>       * Real support from me, not some hacker in Finland
[...]

>John F. Haugh II  [ NRA-ILA ] [ Kill Barney ] !'s: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh


Hey, John, if it doesn't violate your copyright agreements, can I submit
this to rec.humor.funny?


=====
Tommy McGuire
mcguire@cs.utexas.edu
mcguire@austin.ibm.com

"...I will append an appropriate disclaimer to outgoing public information,
identifying it as personal and as independent of IBM...."


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From: uk09242@mik.uky.edu (kelly r brown)
Subject: Re: Linux more like SysV or BSD? (was Re: Future of Linux)
Date: 25 Jan 1994 23:28:42 GMT

In article <2i0udo$e3a@rhino.cis.vutbr.cz> kas@varda.ics.muni.cs (Jan Kasprzak) writes:
>bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) writes:
>
>>| eric@tantalus.nrl.navy.mil (Eric Youngdale) writes:
>>| > Most books out there are written for either the BSD or the SysV
>>| > flavors of unix, and linux is really much closer to SysV.
>>|                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>| Why, just why is this claimed all the time?
>
>>Because virtually any program compiles for Linux out-of-the-box (no, or
>>minimal, porting) if configured for SVR4.  Most Linux "porting" consists of
>>(a) configuring the program for BSD and (b) trying to whack the result to fit
>>into Linux.  It's so much easier to just configure for SVR4 and go...
>
>>Linux's user commands are all BSDish, thanks(?) to the FSF.  The API is SVR4,
>>for all intents and purposes.
>
>       Well, I think Linux is closer to SysV, 'cos it has <string.h>
>instead of <strings.h> :-) :-) ;-)
>
>       Yenya
>
>--
>Jan "Yenya" Kasprzak    \   while (*p++ = *q++) ;
>Student of Comp. Sc.     \                         Dennis Ritchie
>kas@erebor.ics.muni.cz    \-----------------------------------------
>kas@muni.cz                \  MS-DOS ?! No, thank you...
>(Brno, Czech Rep., Europe)  \  I have Linux - free clone of UNIX!
>--
>Jan "Yenya" Kasprzak    \   while (*p++ = *q++) ;
>Student of Comp. Sc.     \                         Dennis Ritchie
>kas@erebor.ics.muni.cz    \-----------------------------------------
>kas@muni.cz                \  MS-DOS ?! No, thank you...

Well, *I* think that since SVR4 is about 55% BSD code ANYWAY (yes, read up
on the Berkeley vs Novell lawsuit!), Linux is probably closer to BSD, since
you have the BSD parts of Linux, and then the SVR4 parts, 50% of which is
mostly BSD...so that equls 75% in my book.  :)

mark->
(Kelly's Husband) 


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From: rdong@playmate.mat.jhu.edu (Rui-Tao Dong ~{6-HpLN~})
Subject: Re: LSM use
Date: 25 Jan 94 18:31:04 GMT


>>>>> On 21 Jan 94 13:16:37 GMT, karl@syssup.tds.philips.nl (Karl Lovink) said:

 karl> I took a look in the LSM database file and saw some very interesting
 karl> information. It look like that it is formatted in some manner.  Is
 karl> there also a tool available which make searching through the file
 karl> somewhat easier.  Functions like "search for editors" would be very
 karl> handy to have.


        I am reading LSM in EDB (emacs database). I attached the .dba code
at the end. You can use your own .fmt file.

Regards,

    Rui-Tao Dong ~{6-HpLN~}                 Department of Mathematics
    rdong@playmate.mat.jhu.edu              The Johns Hopkins University
    (410)516-7406(O) (410)516-5549(Fax)     Baltimore, Maryland 21218
                                
                                
;;; -*- emacs-lisp -*-
;;; $Id: lsm.dba,v 1.4 1994/01/04 18:25:53 rdong Exp $

(database-set-print-name database "Linux Software Map December 13, 1993")

(setq lsm-fields
      '(
        "Author"
        "Version"
        "Comment1"
        "CopyPolicy1"
        "Desc1"
        "Keywords"
        "Maintainer"
        "RelFiles1"
        "Required1"
        "Site1"
        "Title"
        ))

(db-tagged-setup
 (mapcar '(lambda (s)
            (list (intern s) s s)) lsm-fields))

(database-set-local 'db-tagged-tag-chars database "a-zA-Z1")
(database-set-local 'db-tagged-continuation-regexp database
                    "[a-zA-Z]+[2-9]+:[ \t]*")
;;; Separating records
(sepinfo-set-sep-regexp (database-record-sepinfo database) "^[^:]+\n")
(sepinfo-set-sep-regexp-submatch (database-record-sepinfo database) 0)

;;; First record not empty
(sepinfo-set-pre-first-regexp (database-record-sepinfo database) "^[^:]+\n")
(sepinfo-set-pre-first-regexp-submatch (database-record-sepinfo database) 0)

(dbf-set-summary-format
 "\\Title,width=16 \\Author,width=24 \\Keywords,width=16 \\Comment1")


(defun lsm-tagged-rrfr ()
  "Adding a new line before Version:"
  (goto-char (point-min))
  (if (search-forward "Version:" nil t)
      (progn
        (goto-char (match-beginning 0))
        (insert "\n"))))

(database-set-local 'db-tagged-rrfr-hooks database 'lsm-tagged-rrfr)

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From: donadio@mxd120.rh.psu.edu (Matthew Donadio)
Subject: Re: Most stable filesystem?
Date: 26 Jan 1994 01:07:07 GMT

Dhaliwal Bikram Singh (a336dhal@cdf.toronto.edu) wrote:
: keep using ext2,  I don't know enough about xiafs though.

I'm not sure which is faster, but I haven't seen anything from Xia in
a _long_ time...

--
Beaker aka Matt Donadio   | Life is short,     ---   __ o    __~o    __ o
donadio@mxd120.rh.psu.edu |    ride like    ----    _`\<,   _`\<,   _`\<,
--- Penn State Cycling ---|      the wind.    ---  ( )/( ) ( )/( ) ( )/( )

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From: jeff@ee.ryerson.ca (Donald Jeff Dionne)
Subject: Re: [q] about AX25 and Net2Debugged
Date: 25 Jan 1994 21:03:32 GMT

Alan Cox (iiitac@swan.pyr) wrote:

: With luck you'll get this. I've been having hell with mailers trying to
: reach you but the uk mail system is stil backwards and ee.ryerson.ca goes
: off for estonia whichever way around I put it.

: Sigh...
That's ok, at least you got me now.

: You need to ifconfig the interface up and give it an address even if you
: don't use it for ip.

Ok, I see.  Am I correct in saying that I *HAVE* to have a ARP entry for
my own port also?  It sayes bind: Cannot.... when I don't have one, and
I assume that it uses the ARP entry to determine which SL/IP port to use.

Also, does it do dual port KISS, and if so how do I specify that.

Last but not least, (not to dump on piles of questions on you,) has anyone
ported IPIP or encap yet, and if not, do you think it belongs in the kernel
or as a daemon?  I have BSD source for both implementations, and have
been looking over the code, and will port one, depending on what you think.

: Alan
: iiitac@pyr.swan.ac.uk

73! Jeff.

Jeff@EE.Ryerson.Ca

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From: crawdad@smerdis.ccqc.uga.edu (T. Daniel Crawford)
Subject: Informal POLL: What do you use Linux for?
Date: 25 Jan 1994 15:07:49 GMT
Reply-To: crawdad@smerdis.ccqc.uga.edu

Linux Users:

        This is an informal poll on this newsgroup intended to find out what
this operating system is used for, in general.  This poll is prompted by the
numerous discussion of what one can do with some OS's but not with others.
So, please respond to me, either via e-mail, or to this group (if you think
people would be interested in your response).  I will try to give a short
description of the responses after about a week.  

        So, please, tell me what you use your Linux box for.  I really want
to know!

-Daniel

-- 
T. Daniel Crawford                      Center for Computational Quantum
crawdad@smerdis.ccqc.uga.edu                        Chemistry

_kludge_ - n, (klooj) an improvised, jury-rigged, poorly thought out solution
to a problem, usually intended only for temporary use.  (Possibly from Ger.
klug, "clever".) (The Dictionary of Computer Terms, Barron's, 1992.)

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From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: NEC CDR-25
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 23:12:30 GMT

In article <2i23ni$5ea@clarknet.clark.net>, kenf@clark.net (Ken Firestone) says:
+---------------
| Brandon S. Allbery (bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org) wrote:
| : I got read errors trying to mount a CDROM on one.  Moreover, you'd want a
| : separate SCSI interface for it if you ever want SCSI hard drives, because it
| : locks the bus while it's reading... which takes a LOOOONG time...
| 
| I have been using the NEC CDR 25 with Linux ever since I got Linux. Other 
| than being a tad slow, it is just fine.  The problem is not with the 
| drive, but with the SCSI controller.  The one that comes with it from Nec 
| is useless.  Use it with a real SCSI controller, like the Adaptec 1542b. 
+------------->8

I *did* use it with the AHA1542B.

+---------------
| The trick is to disable the parity check on the controller(I think that 
| was it) as the NEC cdr25 doesn't support it. 
+------------->8

I didn't see that in the manual... then again, it was a reconditioned unit and
probably some manuals were missing.  (The CDR-25, that is.)

It did lock the bus while it was busy, though.... maybe it's not as noticeable
if the parity check is turned off, but personally I would prefer error
detection.

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery         kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
"MSDOS didn't get as bad as it is overnight -- it took over ten years
of careful development."  ---dmeggins@aix1.uottawa.ca

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From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: new shadow-3.3.1 patches
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 23:20:44 GMT

In article <1994Jan25.145917.26359@rpp386>, jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II) says:
+---------------
| before.  Do they want it?  No.  What they =do= want is for Shadow to
| be put under the GPL, or they will "kill" it, as one distributor
| threatened to do.  Boy, they sound =real= co-operative.  Perhaps those
| people should have asked for permission first, no?
+------------->8

Or maybe they want Linux stuff to be GPL'ed.  That's their right, and it's
their right to stop using and distributing software that isn't GPL'ed.

John, you have the right to do whatever you want with your software, under
whatever terms you choose.  And *we* have the right to decide that those terms
do not meet our needs and stop using that software.  I expect a GPL'ed shadow
password suite will be written, and that it will replace yours in Linux
distributions because that way nobody has to worry about whether anything
special has to be done before distributing it.  A shoestring distribution
operation has enough problems without worrying about the licensing on various
parts of the distribution.
        
Your tone is starting to sound to me like "you'll use my software on my terms
and like it!  If you don't you don't deserve to use mine or anyone else's!"  I
had no argument with your putting whatever terms you chose on the shadow code,
but *this* is rapidly getting old.  Are you sooooo *very* special that we must
all kowtow to you and use *your* code no matter what?

Do whatever you want with the licensing, but lose the attitude already.

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery         kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
"MSDOS didn't get as bad as it is overnight -- it took over ten years
of careful development."  ---dmeggins@aix1.uottawa.ca

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Crossposted-To: comp.text.tex
From: nhabkosl@rrzn-nis.uni-hannover.de (J"urgen Koslowski)
Subject: emTeX as fast as TeX under Linux
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 14:59:19 GMT

It had been suggested to me that TeX under Linux would run faster than emTeX.
At least for emTeX under OS/2 this is not the case on my system (386 SL notebook,
25 MHz, 18 MB RAM).

I compiled a fairly complicated TeX document (the manual for xypic, version 2.6)
both under emTeX (tex386) and under the TeX supplied with the Slackware 1.1.1
distribution, and ended up with pretty much the same time in poth cases (4:12 min).
It may be, however, that under DOS or with less RAM TeX under Linux will be faster.
I have not checked this. (With 4 MB RAM this document used to take about 16 min,
with an older version of emTeX though).

regards,  J"urgen
-- 
J"urgen Koslowski                    | If I don't see you no more in this world
                                     | I meet you in the next world
nhabkosl@rrzn-user.uni-hannover.de   | and don't be late!
koslowj@math.ksu.edu                 |              Jimi Hendrix (Voodoo Chile)

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From: da416@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Andy Nicola)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,comp.periphs.scsi
Subject: Re: IDE > 500MB?
Date: 25 Jan 1994 17:27:23 GMT
Reply-To: da416@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Andy Nicola)


In a previous article, scholten@epg.nist.gov (Robert Scholten) says:

>There are now several tempting IDE drives over 500MB (eg WD2540, and
>Micropolis 2210A).  IDE is supposed to max out at 500MB.  I have heard
>two stories about how to use bigger drives: get a special IDE adapter,
>or use some special driver that comes with the drive.
>
>If the latter is true, can I use a big IDE drive with, say, Linux or
>OS/2??
>
>I'd be very grateful if anyone knows something about this matter and
>can help me with it.
>
>Thanks.
>-- 
>Rob Scholten
>scholten@epg.nist.gov
>Fax: (301) 926 2746
>Ph:  (301) 975 3744

January 1994 issue of 'UNIX Review' magazine, page 105

Micropolis Corp.  Model 2217A IDE is the first disk to crack the 1GB limit.
The drive is 10ms seek, 1.62GB, 5400 rpm, 3 1/2" form factor, $1,600 street
price.

Micropolis  Tele: (818) 709-3300
             FAX: (818) 709-3497

regards, Andy
-- 

  
 

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From: pshen@junction.gic.com (paul shen)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Exabyte 8505
Date: 25 Jan 94 10:55:49

Does anyone know how to make ExaByte 8505 work on linux? I can write
and read with the existing device st0/nst0. But I can not read tape
which written by SUN, in which I think the block size is not 512
bytes. Also how can I create few different devices which will allow me
to write onto tape with different formats, such as 8500 or 8505 format.

Thanks,
Paul
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From: tdunbar@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Thomas Dunbar)
Subject: Re: MSDOS Better than Linux
Date: 25 Jan 1994 21:14:06 GMT


misch@eurom.fsag.rhein-main.de (Michaela Merz)
writes:

>messy dos - write applications. Where's a wordprocessor, a desktop
>publishing tool ........ ? Don't ignore the available shareware

 those who claim linux doesnt have wp/publishing software haven't
tried the Andrew Multimedia Toolkit (sunsite /pub/Linux/X11/andrew)
 The Andrew EZ editor allows seamless embedding of pictures, drawings,
animations, calendars, tables and spreadsheets, annotations, buttons
to link to other docs, etc. 

   thomas

(no, i still prefer TeX)


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From: kubla@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (Dominik Kubla)
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix
Subject: Re: Linux as X-Terminal? No!
Date: 25 Jan 1994 18:25:59 GMT

Using Linux as X-Terminal might be useful, even if a real X-Terminal might
be faster. Consider at site like a University, where lots of PC's are
accessible for the user but only a small number of X-Terminals (like here
at U-Mainz). What are you going to tell the departments? "Dump your new
Nevell/Windows cluster and buy X-Terminals"? That won't make Unix/X11 more
popular! If you say instead: "Hell, we got this little exe file which will
turn your PC's into unix X-terminals if need is, please install it on your
server ..." That will bring a whole new bunch of users to Unix/X11 ...

That's the way to think! Using a diskless linux kernel to start a X-server
on a PC in a LAN is far cheaper than buying additional color x-terminals,
at a time most departments are upgrading to MS-Windows!
-- 
Cheers,
  Dominik

+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| eMail: kubla@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE                                       |
| sMail: Dominik Kubla, Steinsberg 34, 56355 Nast"atten, F. R. Germany      |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
|                                                                           |
|        "Linux: The choice of a GNU generation"      --S. Frampton         |
|                                                                           |
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
DISCLAIMER:  Everything written above are the expressed thoughts of the
author and in no way connected to 'Johannes Gutenberg Universit"at', Mainz
(Germany). This way, they do not have to care about what I say ...

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From: cubranic@whale.st.usm.edu (Davor Cubranic)
Subject: Re: How much disk for Slackware 1.1.1
Date: 25 Jan 1994 18:24:54 GMT

Jay Maynard (jmaynard@nyx10.cs.du.edu) wrote:

: I wasn't aware that there _was_ a wordprocessor. (TeX (oink!) doesn't count; 
: it's a textual programming language.)

How about Doc (from interviews) and ez (Andrew toolkit)?  But then again,
those use X+their toolkits so you might not like them.

--
Davor Cubranic
cubranic@whale.st.usm.edu

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From: goer@quads.uchicago.edu (Richard L. Goerwitz)
Subject: Re: MSDOS Better than Linux
Reply-To: goer@midway.uchicago.edu
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 1994 03:21:13 GMT

tdunbar@vtaix.cc.vt.edu (Thomas Dunbar) writes:
>
> those who claim linux doesnt have wp/publishing software haven't
>tried the Andrew Multimedia Toolkit (sunsite /pub/Linux/X11/andrew)
> The Andrew EZ editor allows seamless embedding of pictures, drawings,
>animations, calendars, tables and spreadsheets, annotations, buttons
>to link to other docs, etc. 

Great.  But does it have the one thing that all software used by
academics needs:  internationalization?  Can I, for instance, use
it to write in Arabic, Hebrew, Chinese, etc.?  Many micro plat-
forms have attempted to solve the script problem, Macs in partic-
ular.  I have a wonderful multilingual system for the peecee, I
might add.  With UNIX and X, though, I get the ominous feeling that
the system - big and bloated as it is - was designed by Americans
that didn't really recognize the existence of anything but Eng-
lish and a few W. European languages, and that extending it will
take so huge an effort that it's just never going to make it over
the hump (Japanese hacks aside).

-- 

   -Richard L. Goerwitz              goer%midway@uchicago.bitnet
   goer@midway.uchicago.edu          rutgers!oddjob!ellis!goer

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From: hsun@csd-gl-5.stanford.edu (Harry Sun)
Subject: [Q] ASCII -> PS
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 1994 02:41:28 GMT

Does anyone know of a publicly available untility that will
create an postscript file from an ascii file (much like
enscript)

Thanks,
-HARRY-
hsun@cs.stanford.edu



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From: steveh@goanna.cs.rmit.oz.au (Steven Hayes)
Subject: Booting LGX from floppy with Trantor SCSI & CD
Date: 26 Jan 1994 10:30:06 +1000

Hi Guys,

I've borrowed a friends Linux CD and the LGX boot disk so I could take
a peek a Linux. I know absolutely NOTHING about Linux at the moment, so
please forgive me if I'm being a little stupid.

The LGX floppy booted fine, and detected all my hardware correctly up
until it started looking for a SCSI adaptor. I noticed it was looking
for an Adaptec card, and ofcourse I've got a Trantor T130B. Is there a
version of the LGX boot disk for Trantor SCSI cards? If yes, where
can I find it?

Am I correct in assuming the both the Linux LGX boot disk and the CD-ROM
are _not_ readable by DOS (or Os/2 for that matter?)

Lastly, I haven't consulted the Linux FAQ, as I don't know where to find
it. If some kind soul could point me to an ftp site for the FAQ I'd be
most appreciative.

Cheers,

Steve
-- 
  Steven Hayes                                 _--_|\    steveh@rmit.edu.au
  Department of Computer Science, RMIT.       /      \   steveh@citri.edu.au
  GPO Box 2476V, Melbourne 3001, Australia.   \_.--._/   +61 3 660-3216
                                                    v

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From: kas@varda.ics.muni.cs (Jan Kasprzak)
Subject: Re: Linux more like SysV or BSD? (was Re: Future of Linux)
Date: 24 Jan 1994 16:53:12 GMT

bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) writes:

>| eric@tantalus.nrl.navy.mil (Eric Youngdale) writes:
>| > Most books out there are written for either the BSD or the SysV
>| > flavors of unix, and linux is really much closer to SysV.
>|                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>| Why, just why is this claimed all the time?

>Because virtually any program compiles for Linux out-of-the-box (no, or
>minimal, porting) if configured for SVR4.  Most Linux "porting" consists of
>(a) configuring the program for BSD and (b) trying to whack the result to fit
>into Linux.  It's so much easier to just configure for SVR4 and go...

>Linux's user commands are all BSDish, thanks(?) to the FSF.  The API is SVR4,
>for all intents and purposes.

        Well, I think Linux is closer to SysV, 'cos it has <string.h>
instead of <strings.h> :-) :-) ;-)

        Yenya

--
Jan "Yenya" Kasprzak    \   while (*p++ = *q++) ;
Student of Comp. Sc.     \                         Dennis Ritchie
kas@erebor.ics.muni.cz    \-----------------------------------------
kas@muni.cz                \  MS-DOS ?! No, thank you...
(Brno, Czech Rep., Europe)  \  I have Linux - free clone of UNIX!
--
Jan "Yenya" Kasprzak    \   while (*p++ = *q++) ;
Student of Comp. Sc.     \                         Dennis Ritchie
kas@erebor.ics.muni.cz    \-----------------------------------------
kas@muni.cz                \  MS-DOS ?! No, thank you...

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From: totake@ho12.eng.ua.edu (Thomas K. Otake)
Subject: Re: MSDOS Better than Linux
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 20:31:03 GMT

In article <1994Jan24.112419.8317@black.ox.ac.uk> univ0020@black.ox.ac.uk (Julian D Glover) writes:
>In terms of real world work you lusers should realise that MS-DOS and
>MS-Windows is far better than some half assed Unix toy, get a life and
>pay for your software like everyone else you spongers.
>
>
>

Well, I have to agree completely, just like we all know that American beer
is much better than German, or a Yugo is a better car than a Mercedes, or
an Apple ][ is a more powerful computer than a Cray.

Tom



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From: csymlan@saturn.yzit.edu.tw (Yue-ming Lan)
Subject: Chinese Terminal & input method
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 1994 09:14:46

Hi,

Does anybody out there knows how to use the cxterm (Chinese X terminal 
programme)? 

I installed it, and can see Chinese shown on it, but I can not key in Chinese 
words. What input mehtods are supported? How to use it.

I used the classical character sets. (used in Tawian and Hong Kong)

Thanks in advance,

Lan

(csymlan@saturn.yzit.edu.tw)

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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc
From: entropy@world.std.com (Lawrence Foard)
Subject: Re: WUARCHIVE LOST :)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 1994 09:03:18 GMT

In article <DHOLLAND.94Jan24231523@husc7.harvard.edu>,
David Holland <dholland@husc7.harvard.edu> wrote:
>
> > The entire archives were destroyed the afternoon of Thursday, January 13th
> > due to a bug in the system crash dump routines.  
>
>Ooh, serious bad press for Digital... wuarchive was (last I heard)
>running their hottest new OSF/1 on an Alpha.

Last time I saw a DEC machine and OSF/1 together it was quite a mess :)
It core dumped just about everything randomly.
-- 
====== Legalize:          >==<o | I confess to an unatural, and abnormal . 
\    /  :-)-~             o>--< | act I have programmed a computer.     . .
 \  / You are ~1,000,000,000,000,000 .1ms NAND gates have a nice day.  . . .
  \/ The true theory of everything will run on a finite turing machine. . . .

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From: mark@taylor.wyvern.com (Mark A. Davis)
Subject: Re: Attach an X terminal *TO* a Linux box?
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 13:38:02 GMT

jkaidor@synoptics.com (Jerome Kaidor) writes:


>    *** OK, how about using a Linux box as an xterminal and connecting it
>to another Linux box? 

Quite possible, and I know of some who do this (you can USE it as an
Xterminal, although it will not really be an Xterminal because it requires
local writable media.  It will also not have many of the advantages of
an Xterminal, but so what- if you own it, use it!).

>  In the year-and-a-half ( wow, has it been so long? ) I've
>been running Linux,  Linux has encouraged me to upgrade my PC several times.
>The detritus of these multiple upgrades has accumulated to the point where I
>was able to put together another fairly respectable PC.  I'm wondering if
>use of one PC as an Xterminal for the other one would be a good quick and
>dirty way of getting some parallel processing going. 

Sure can be.

>   The display PC would do all the video thrashing, leaving more cycles on
>the other one to actually run programs.  Has anyone tried this?

Yep, that is one of the neat things about Xwindows- the ability to run
distributed, centralized, local, etc...

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From: mark@taylor.wyvern.com (Mark A. Davis)
Subject: Re: MSDOS Better than Linux
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 18:09:29 GMT

wypoon@cory.EECS.Berkeley.EDU (WINGYUEN POON) writes:

>*nix is almost solely used in academic institutions, research institutions,
>and commercial scientific houses, no?

No.  Perhaps the largest installed base of Unix users is in commercial
business (non-scientific, non-research, non-development, non-educational).
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