Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #595
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Date:     Thu, 27 Jan 94 14:26:16 EST

Linux-Misc Digest #595, Volume #1                Thu, 27 Jan 94 14:26:16 EST

Contents:
  Re: MSDOS Better than Linux (Eric Youngdale)
  Re: tape drives? (Rob Janssen)
  Re: Linux logo (Ken Firestone)
  Re: MSDOS Better than Linux (Richard L. Goerwitz)
  WUARCHIVE LOST :-( (Hubert Atkinson)
  Re: Slackware needs a shadow package! (John F. Haugh II)
  Re: Attach an X terminal *TO* a Linux box? (Jerome Kaidor)
  Help on interpreting GNU license and restriction (MUI-KIM NG)
  Re: Help on interpreting GNU license and restriction (Kai Petzke)
  Re: NEC CDR-25 (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Re: new shadow-3.3.1 patches (Florian La Roche)
  Re: Linux logo (CARSTEN@AWORLD.aworld.de)
  Re: IP routing problem in pl14 kernel? (Erik-Jan Bos)
  [WANTED] pixmap editor for fvwm icons available? (Frank Grieger)
  Re: Setuid scripts under pl14 kernels (Neal Becker)
  Re: MSDOS Better than Linux (Donald Jeff Dionne)
  Upgrading Linux (Ian Chard)
  Most stable filesystem? (Ian Chard)
  HP Vectra VL and Linux? (Bill Thorson)
  Re: CAS for Linux (was Re: Mathematica for Linux) (jonathan ward)
  Re: MSDOS Better than Linux - yeah, right..... (burd@vax.sonoma.edu)
  Re: Linux vs. NetBSD (Alan Cox)
  Re: [q] about AX25 and Net2Debugged (Alan Cox)
  Re: MSDOS Better than Linux (Clark McGrew)

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From: eric@tantalus.nrl.navy.mil (Eric Youngdale)
Subject: Re: MSDOS Better than Linux
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 22:57:10 GMT

In article <CK5JK1.L5z@eurom.fsag.rhein-main.de> misch@eurom.fsag.rhein-main.de (Michaela Merz) writes:
>Hmm - don't flame me - but we should take this guy more seriously - even
>he might have used the wrong words. Linux *is* just toy - as long as
>there are no real applications available. So, don't just flame about
>messy dos - write applications. Where's a wordprocessor, a desktop
>publishing tool ........ ? Don't ignore the available shareware
>and/or public domain tools for those ugly os like win**ows. There's
>a lot more available. And it is *not* that easy to write well designed
>win**ows progs. 

        We had this discussion a while back and the conclusion was "Don't bring
the mountain to Mohammed, bring Mohammed to the mountain".  iBCS2 emulation and
Wine were the result.  Once these are ready for public consumption, you will be
able to run SCO or Windows programs with linux.

-Eric

-- 
"The woods are lovely, dark and deep.  But I have promises to keep,
And lines to code before I sleep, And lines to code before I sleep."

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From: rob@pe1chl.ampr.org (Rob Janssen)
Subject: Re: tape drives?
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 21:57:02 GMT
Reply-To: pe1chl@rabo.nl

In <CK50IF.2Cy@cs690-3.erie.ge.com> teffta@cs690-3.erie.ge.com (Andrew R. Tefft) writes:

>In article <1994Jan21.092309.2521@desaster.sunflower.sub.org>,
>Michael Will <michaelw@desaster.sunflower.sub.org> wrote:
>>jaewan@uful07.phys.ufl.edu (Jaewan Kim) writes:
>>>What type of tape drive is best for linux?
>>Scsi-drive. I use the Wangtec-5525ES-SCSI-Drive, which can stream 525MB to
>>a tape, has QIC-60 read, and QIC-120 to QIC-520 read-write capability.

>Ok let's rephrase the question:

>What's the most cost-effective tape drive solution for Linux,
>for people who do not have SCSI at the moment? i.e. is there
>a cheap scsi card/tape drive combo that works reasonably well
>(performance is not everything)? 

>I would love scsi, if only for the future expandability, but
>the price of vlb scsi adapters seems to be so high that it
>effectively doubles the cost per meg for the normal size disks
>people buy nowadays (200-400 megs, forget it you 1 gigers, you
>are loaded, face it), which really means that it's not as popular
>in new systems as it should be.

When you don't have your disk on the scsi adapter, you don't need
a high-end adapter.  A normal ISA bus (e.g. Adaptec 1522, 1542)
should be adequate.

When you don't want to spend the money for scsi, go ahead and buy
a cheap floppy tape.  But don't come back complaining about reliability
and capacity please...

Rob
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| Rob Janssen                | AMPRnet:   rob@pe1chl.ampr.org           |
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From: kenf@clark.net (Ken Firestone)
Subject: Re: Linux logo
Date: 25 Jan 1994 03:23:58 GMT

Matt Welsh (mdw@cs.cornell.edu) wrote:
:.......
: Oh, and by the way, Yggdrasil's CD-ROM reportedly does a little sound
: bite at boot time, at least when booting from the installation floppy.
: But I don't belive that it's in the kernel, it's just a quip fired off
: from /etc/rc.

It actually does a very nice little sound bite at boot time, and it does 
it when it boots off my HD.


--

============================================================================
Ken Firestone, N3JBU     | If you look at things right, its best not to know 
kenf@clark.net           | who you really are. Because anything that happens 
                         | to anybody who doesn't know who he really is 
                         | actually happens to somebody else. So it makes no 
                         | difference at all. -- Nelson Algren.  
============================================================================

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From: goer@quads.uchicago.edu (Richard L. Goerwitz)
Subject: Re: MSDOS Better than Linux
Reply-To: goer@midway.uchicago.edu
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 03:23:18 GMT

misch@eurom.fsag.rhein-main.de (Michaela Merz) writes:
>
>Hmm - don't flame me - but we should take this guy more seriously - even
>he might have used the wrong words. Linux *is* just toy - as long as
>there are no real applications available.

It's sad but true that the software that's available under UNIX is large,
complex, expensive, and often has a clumsy feel.  What the huge fuss is
over UNIX I can't understand.  Sure, I've been using UNIX for development
for a long time now (personal stuff mainly - research).  I still have to
fire up the old DOS box, though, to write articles and such.  Dumb, dumb.

This, though, isn't really a Linux-specific issue, except insofar as
Linux labors under the same burdens as other UNIX-type systems.

-- 

   -Richard L. Goerwitz              goer%midway@uchicago.bitnet
   goer@midway.uchicago.edu          rutgers!oddjob!ellis!goer

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From: Hubert.Atkinson@f8003.n106.z1.fidonet.org (Hubert Atkinson)
Subject: WUARCHIVE LOST :-(
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 1994 21:06:00 -0500

DW>What's NoseArt?  Stuff painted with yer nose?

Nose art are the paintings/cartoons/names painted on the "nose" of 
airplanes. WWII (look in your history  book for a definition) nose art on 
the big bombers was quite famous during the time. Also considered "racy" 
at the time. Some of the best/most famous was on the B-29s used in the 
Pacific. It was ordered removed by General Hap Arnold after some 
articles/pictures appeared in the US and disturbed the "moral majority" 
that though "our boys over there" should not be exposed to such porn...


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From: jfh@rpp386 (John F. Haugh II)
Subject: Re: Slackware needs a shadow package!
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 14:29:09 GMT

In article <483.2D430E7F@purplet.demon.co.uk> jaggy@purplet.demon.co.uk (Mike Jagdis) writes:
>  I've been using shadow for *months* without major problems - including 
>network services, xdm etc. The problem with Linux on the Internet is that 
>people here have been burnt by some pretty ropey bundling in "distributions" 
>and many people still listen to the chinese whispers instead of *thinking* 
>for themselves. Hence the common cries of, "I've heard that...". Sad.

This is what got my attention about Shadow in Linux.  People in the
Linux community kept breaking the code.  Here is my list of broken
changes from the shadow-3.3.1.dif file I picked up on sunsite --
--
The following errors exist in the shadow.3.3.1.dif patch on sunsite --

Path names with the prefix /usr/adm were changed to /var/adm.  Not all
  systems use the /var/adm convention, and all systems which have /var/adm
  should have a symbolic link from /usr/adm to /var/adm for migration
  purposes.

groups.c was changed to always malloc() the groups buffer and to always
  use NGROUPS_MAX.  The NGROUPS macro is the more common of the two and
  using malloc is retarded when the array size is small.

gshadow.c was changed to permit corrupted lines to be accepted as valid.
  Because /etc/gshadow is in the TCB, corrupted lines must always be
  treated as invalid to conform to the fail-secure policy.

id.c was changed to remove the code for systems which do not support
  multiple concurrent groups.  Not all systems have this functionality
  and Shadow must still support them.

lastlog.h was changed to force all systems to have a ll_host field.  Not
  all systems which support Shadow have the ability to determine the
  remote host name.

login.defs was changed.  This is a user configurable file and should NEVER
  be changed except to add new lines.

newgrp.c was change to remove support for the NGROUPS macro.  Since many
  systems which use Shadow define NGROUPS and not NGROUPS_MAX, this would
  break all those systems.

newusers.8 was changed to remove references to mkpasswd(8).  This command
  is still in use on many systems.

ngroups.h assumes the existence of <unistd.h> which does not exist on
  all systems which Shadow runs on.

pwck.c must be changed because Linux violates POSIX 1003.1 by polluting
  the application name space.

setup.c was changed to assume that all systems support concurrent groups
  and have the initgroups() function.  This breaks older systems (SVR<4)
  which don't.

sppwd.c consists of redundant and unused functions.  There is no
  documentation for these functions and Shadow doesn't use them anywhere.

-- 
John F. Haugh II  [ NRA-ILA ] [ Kill Barney ] !'s: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh
Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151 [GOP][DoF #17][PADI][ENTJ]   @'s: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org
The P.C. Movement killed the 1st Amendment, the Brady Bill the 2nd, the WOsD
got the 4th and 5th, political activism the 9th and 10th.  Not much left, eh?

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From: jkaidor@synoptics.com (Jerome Kaidor)
Subject: Re: Attach an X terminal *TO* a Linux box?
Reply-To: jkaidor@synoptics.com
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 23:15:50 GMT


    *** OK, how about using a Linux box as an xterminal and connecting it
to another Linux box? 

  In the year-and-a-half ( wow, has it been so long? ) I've
been running Linux,  Linux has encouraged me to upgrade my PC several times.
The detritus of these multiple upgrades has accumulated to the point where I
was able to put together another fairly respectable PC.  I'm wondering if
use of one PC as an Xterminal for the other one would be a good quick and
dirty way of getting some parallel processing going. 

   The display PC would do all the video thrashing, leaving more cycles on
the other one to actually run programs.  Has anyone tried this?

  I surmise that for it to do any good, the network connection would have to be nice and
tight;  a dedicated enet segment would probably be plenty;  AND the CPU
load of handling the network would have to be much lower than that of
doing the video. 

                               - Jerry Kaidor 


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From: mng@eos.ncsu.edu (MUI-KIM NG)
Crossposted-To: gnu.g++.help,gnu.gcc.help,gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Help on interpreting GNU license and restriction
Date: 24 Jan 94 01:15:29 GMT

Hi Lawyers and law students out there (or anyone who understands the GNU
License agreement):

   Could you figure if these actions are legal? I like to use Linux as the
base operating system running my applications since it is a superior Unix
system.  However, since nobody out there offers commerical compilers and tools
for Linux, I have to use GNU tools and compiler to develop my applications.
   Here is my problem: I need money for school. So, I am planning to sell 
my applications to a potential customer.  These applications would use gnu
database and would be compiled gnu g++ and gnu gcc.  Is it still legal to
sell my applications?
   If it is not legal, then why can people sell Motif toolkit, 
which is compiled with GNU gcc?
   Any explanation would be appreciated.  Thanks!


Regards,
Kim

                No Flames please. These are geniune questions.


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From: wpp%marie@uunet.uu.net (Kai Petzke)
Crossposted-To: gnu.g++.help,gnu.gcc.help,gnu.misc.discuss,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Help on interpreting GNU license and restriction
Date: 24 Jan 94 12:59:55 GMT

mng@eos.ncsu.edu (MUI-KIM NG) writes:

>   Here is my problem: I need money for school. So, I am planning to sell 
>my applications to a potential customer.  These applications would use gnu
>database and would be compiled gnu g++ and gnu gcc.  Is it still legal to
>sell my applications?

a) It is legal to sell your applications.  You may take as much
   money as you want.

b) Simply using a GNU tool to develop your application does not
   affect your copyright to your applications.  This includes
   using g++ and gcc.

c) However, your copyright is affected, if you include code from
   other GNU applications into yours.  In this case, you have
   to put the resulting ("derived") work under the GNU copyleft.
   That means, that you have to release source code upon request,
   and that your customer(s) may distribute (and/or sell!) copies
   of your source code and/or binary.

d) 99% of all C programs written are linked against the C
   library.  Linking means, that you include GNU code into
   your program.  However, the C library is released under
   special terms (GNU Library Public License, GLPL), which
   allows linking as an exception to what I said in c).

   You can link with the C library at will, but you have to
   provide your program in a form, that the user can update
   the library.  In case of shared linking, this is not a
   problem, but if you want (or must) link with static
   libraries, you must provide your program in a form, which
   has not yet been linked with the static library (say, link
   all your .o-files into one big .o using "ld".  Take a look
   at the kernel sources to see how it works).

e) I don't know about the GNU database.  If it is distributed
   under GNU Public License, GPL, you may link with it, but
   your resulting application is then freeware, too.  If it
   is distributed under GLPL (see d), you can link without
   affecting your copyright.

f) What I said at point a) is always true: you may sell your
   application, whether or not it has to be distributed under
   the GNU copyleft, for as much money as you want.

g) You may try other databases, like Ingres or Postgres.  The
   first is public domain anyway, and the restrictions upon
   the second are much lower.

>   If it is not legal, then why can people sell Motif toolkit, 
>which is compiled with GNU gcc?

It is legal to sell applications compiled with gcc.
-- 
Kai Petzke <wpp@marie.physik.tu-berlin.de>
Advertisement by Microsoft in a well-known German magazine:
        If you don't like our programmes, then make your own ones.
However, they expect you to use Microsoft products for this -:)


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From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: NEC CDR-25
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 23:33:01 GMT

In article <2i0676$mk3@werple.apana.org.au>, ernie@werple.apana.org.au (Ernie Elu) says:
+---------------
| Does any one know if an NEC CDR-25 which is their low speed external SCSI 
| CD ROM drive will work with Linux ? I have the opportunity to pick one up
| cheap, but there is no point if it doesn't work with Linux.
+---------------

I got read errors trying to mount a CDROM on one.  Moreover, you'd want a
separate SCSI interface for it if you ever want SCSI hard drives, because it
locks the bus while it's reading... which takes a LOOOONG time...

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery         kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
"MSDOS didn't get as bad as it is overnight -- it took over ten years
of careful development."  ---dmeggins@aix1.uottawa.ca

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From: rzsfl@sbusol.rz.uni-sb.de (Florian La Roche)
Subject: Re: new shadow-3.3.1 patches
Date: 24 Jan 1994 15:56:50 GMT

John F. Haugh II (jfh@rpp386) wrote:
: In article <2hhgdm$3mh@klaava.Helsinki.FI> Florian La Roche <rzsfl@rz.uni-sb.de> writes:
: >There are several bugs fixed. I advise to change to these new patches.
: >I also tried to conform to the new Linux filesystem layout.
: >They should work ok for the old Linux C library 4.4.x and also for the
: >new C library 4.5.x.
: >(Note: This version doesn't use the shadow routines in the new C library,
: >so any maybe existing bugs in the C library do not harm. If you want to
: >use them, do not include the files shadow.c and gshadow.c, when building
: >the library libshadow.a.)

: I fetched a copy of the patches and noticed that you completely ignored
: the way the Makefiles are laid out along with a large number of other
: incompatible changes.  As soon as I can figure out what else you and your
: buddies have done wrong, I'll get these patches into the real Shadow
: distribution and off to the licensed Linux distributors.

Hi John,

this is me, Florian  La Roche.
I hope all the patches that good Linux hackers have made will improve
your shadow passwd suite. Maybe you can even earn more money with it
and someday buy a big Linux-machine.

As I have read your copyright, I can make modifications and put a new
version on an ftp site since I make no commercial things like earning
money.

But I must really say, that I dont like your probably "new" way of
defining "commercial purpose". All people who make some binary distribution
and sell it for money have to work a lot for it.
How much money do you want from such a person, who will never be able to
charge much for a Linux distribution?

What about, if I sell someone Linux and give him the shadow passwd for free?

Maybe we will have a much better version soon, as you don't seem to be
very cooperative.

It's more than funny that you want to make money from the Linux folks.

Have fun,

Florian  La Roche

P.S.: What a pitty, that we havn't put any copyright remarks about all
bug fixes in the source code. Than you would have to share your earned
money with some of us good people.

: -- 
: John F. Haugh II  [ NRA-ILA ] [ Kill Barney ] !'s: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh
: Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151 [GOP][DoF #17][PADI][ENTJ]   @'s: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org
: The P.C. Movement killed the 1st Amendment, the Brady Bill the 2nd, the WOsD
: got the 4th and 5th, political activism the 9th and 10th.  Not much left, eh?

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From: CARSTEN@AWORLD.aworld.de
Subject: Re: Linux logo
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 94 10:25:00 CET

bcr@bohr.physics.purdue.edu write in article <14387@dirac.physics.purdue.edu>
with subject Linux logo in /COMP/OS/LINUX/MISC:

> I just finished converting the Linux logo to ascii and
> thought it would be cool if the kernel would display
> it while reading in a ramdisk...  Here it is:
> [...]

it looks nics - but it doesn't fit on a 'standart' 25x80 screen! it
should.


tschuess
    carsten
## CrossPoint v2.93 R ##

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From: bos@surfnet.nl (Erik-Jan Bos)
Subject: Re: IP routing problem in pl14 kernel?
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 1994 06:45:53 GMT

In <terryd.759117532@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU> terryd@extro.ucc.su.OZ.AU (Terry Dawson) writes:

>>The IP number I use on my testnet is a class C network number from the
>>beginning of a range, e.g. x.y.0.0. As soon as I populate the IP routing

>What are x and y ?

I was talking about a real class C net (which was not that clear from
my original posting): 192.87.0.0.

Linus replied to my message as well and adviced me to upgrade my kernel
to pl14, since in this patchlevel the IP routing part of the kernel was
re-done. All looks great now, it works as I expected!

Thanks to all who took the time to react.

-- 
Erik-Jan.

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From: fg@spcklr.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Frank Grieger)
Subject: [WANTED] pixmap editor for fvwm icons available?
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 16:48:23 GMT

Hi Linuxers,

I wonder if there is a pixmap editor available for fvwm icons. I allready
browsed the LSM and I ran out of subcases with which I could torture
xarchie any further. :)

Thanks for any hint. Greetings,
                                Frank.
--
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fg@specklec.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de               Frank Grieger, Bonn, Germany

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From: neal@ctd.comsat.com (Neal Becker)
Subject: Re: Setuid scripts under pl14 kernels
Date: 24 Jan 1994 16:35:59 GMT

You may want to use perl for your suid applications.  You can build
perl 4.036 on linux with minor mods.  Be sure to say you want suid
emulation!

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From: jeff@ee.ryerson.ca (Donald Jeff Dionne)
Subject: Re: MSDOS Better than Linux
Date: 24 Jan 1994 17:17:03 GMT

Julian D Glover (univ0020@black.ox.ac.uk) wrote:
: In terms of real world work you lusers should realise that MS-DOS and
: MS-Windows is far better than some half assed Unix toy, get a life and
: pay for your software like everyone else you spongers.


Strangely enough, this obvious flame bait is the attitude a lot of people 
REALLY have.  I have a box of slackware distribution disks that I pass 
around, and some take, get fully into it, love it, just like most of the
people on this news group.  But then there are those that laugh, and "play
games on m$ windoze".  And then there was one guy who tried it, and though
it was the best thing since sliced bread... until he had to un-install and
LILO would not go away (easily fixed... but how was he to know).

Linux is NOT for everyone, but then again, m$ windoze is not for ANYONE
but Bill Gates!

Jeff Dionne.


Internet Jeff@ee.Ryerson.Ca
AMPRnet  VE3DJF@bbs.VE3RPI.ampr.org
AX25     VE3DJF@VE3RPI.#SCON.ON.CAN.NOAM

Linus is a code poet, Bill Gates is a bean counter....

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From: chardi@cs.man.ac.uk (Ian Chard)
Subject: Upgrading Linux
Date: 24 Jan 94 16:14:03 GMT

Hi,

So many things have changed since I installed my 0.99-pl4 SLS all those months
ago... there seem to be new distributions for every command on the system!

With this in mind, is it worth me backing up my personal files and reinstalling
from a new SLS, or is there an easier way?

Cheers,

Ian.

-- 

[ Ian Chard, Systems Integration |                                            ]
[ Email:     chardi@cs.man.ac.uk |  Black holes are where God divided         ]
[ NTS: G7OMZ @ GB7NWP.#16.GBR.EU |  by zero.                                  ]
[ AMPRnet:  g7omz@g7omz.ampr.org |                                            ]

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From: chardi@cs.man.ac.uk (Ian Chard)
Subject: Most stable filesystem?
Date: 24 Jan 94 16:15:36 GMT

Hi,

I've been using ext2 for a while now, and I've had two filesystem crashes
(which might have been something to do with a fault in my version of shutdown).
The question is, is xiafs more stable, and does it have any advantages?

Cheers,

Ian.

-- 

[ Ian Chard, Systems Integration |                                            ]
[ Email:     chardi@cs.man.ac.uk |  Black holes are where God divided         ]
[ NTS: G7OMZ @ GB7NWP.#16.GBR.EU |  by zero.                                  ]
[ AMPRnet:  g7omz@g7omz.ampr.org |                                            ]

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From: thorson@typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu (Bill Thorson)
Subject: HP Vectra VL and Linux?
Date: 25 Jan 94 07:13:03 GMT

  I would like to know if anyone has any experience running Linux
on the newer HP Vectras.  The series is called the 486VL PC series
from HP.

  We can get a really good deal on one for an elementary school and
are considering running Linux to serve some K12 and edu newsgroups
to a few ethernetted DOS PC's running NCSA Telnet.

  This has some kind of on-mother-board video controller as well and
I would be interested if someone has X working with it.

Bill 

-- 
#!/bin/sh
#=======================================================================#
echo Bill Thorson                   thorson@typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu
echo Dept of Atmospheric Science    +1 303 491-8339
echo Colorado State University
echo Ft. Collins,  CO  80523
tr "[a-l][n-y][A-L][N-Y]Zz." "[n-y][a-l][N-Y][A-L]\051\050\040" << !
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...........Gebcvpny.mrgrbebybtvfgf.qb.vg."hc.mbvfg.qbja.qel"


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From: jmward@ucrengr.ucr.edu (jonathan ward)
Crossposted-To: sci.math.symbolic
Subject: Re: CAS for Linux (was Re: Mathematica for Linux)
Date: 25 Jan 1994 08:45:17 GMT

In article <CJw1Dv.9Es@news.udel.edu>,
Alexander Schliep <schliep@chopin.udel.edu> wrote:
>
>My (admittely uneducated) guess would be that not too many Universities
>or companies use Linux ... and I dont think that anybody wants to do a port
>to a new OS just to sell a couple of hundreds student versions.

Actually, here at the University of California, Riverside we're putting in
an entire lab of PCI/Pentium machines that will all be running Slackware
1.1.1 Linux.  On Sat. 29th(?) we're having "Linux Installation Day" where
anyone can bring in their system and have Linux installed and configured
for them.  Not to mention the number of machines around campus that are
already running Linux.  While not used or supported by the general
Academic Computing department here, the Computer Science department is
going all out with it... we actually chose it over NEXTSTEP/intel(not that
I blame them - NS/i is cool but slow, and it also costs money.)...

If I can get in with the Academic Computing dept, I'll try to get them on
to Linux as well.

                -Jonathan Ward
                University of California, Riverside

--
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DOS: n., A small annoying boot virus that causes random spontaneous system
     crashes, usually just before saving a massive project.  Easily cured by
     UNIX.  See also MS-DOS, IBM-DOS, DR-DOS.




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Subject: Re: MSDOS Better than Linux - yeah, right.....
From: burd@vax.sonoma.edu
Date: 24 Jan 94 19:33:58 -0800

> |> In terms of real world work you lusers should realise that MS-DOS and
> |> MS-Windows is far better than some half assed Unix toy, get a life and
> |> pay for your software like everyone else you spongers.
> |> 

Go ahead, call Linux a "toy" - it's anything but one. I figure that DOS and
Windoze will be extinct within 5 years because they're worthless. Linux,
however, will still live on. Then you'll see who gets the last laugh!
 
> Unix-toy? What are you talking 'bout... m$-dos and M$-Windoze are the two
bugiest pieces of software I ever heard of. And to spend money on something
that stinks that much, Nah.
> 

I agree. Swamps have less bugs.

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From: iiitac@swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: Linux vs. NetBSD
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 18:29:58 GMT

In article <RV.94Jan23194254@lego.cs.brown.edu> rv@cs.brown.edu (rodrigo vanegas) writes:
>But BSD source is free isn't it?  Why don't the linux network code
>developers simply copy it out?
>
Because AT&T appeared to have different potential opinions, and because we
had a chance to do better. Primarily though because Ross Biro sat down and
started writing a TCP/IP stack. At the end of the day we will have a better
network environment than generic BSD NET-2 and it will be GPL protected.

Alan
iiitac@pyr.swan.ac.uk



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From: iiitac@swan.pyr (Alan Cox)
Subject: Re: [q] about AX25 and Net2Debugged
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 19:44:19 GMT


With luck you'll get this. I've been having hell with mailers trying to
reach you but the uk mail system is stil backwards and ee.ryerson.ca goes
off for estonia whichever way around I put it.

Sigh...

You need to ifconfig the interface up and give it an address even if you
don't use it for ip.

Also if you don't receive right you need to alter dev.c to make sure
that the protocol entry for AX.25 is in the list. Currently it only
does that right when IPX is also included. 

Alan
iiitac@pyr.swan.ac.uk


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From: mcgrew@hepxvt.ps.uci.edu (Clark McGrew)
Subject: Re: MSDOS Better than Linux
Date: 24 Jan 94 21:26:21 GMT

misch@eurom.fsag.rhein-main.de (Michaela Merz) writes:

>Hmm - don't flame me - but we should take this guy more seriously - even
>he might have used the wrong words. Linux *is* just toy - as long as
>there are no real applications available.

>mm.

Don't sell Linux short, real world applications go beyond
speadsheets, desk top publishing toys,  and wordprocessors.
I use Linux precisely because "real" applications are available for
it, and not available for DOS.  Admittably, my definition of "real"
is defined small nitch market.

Basically, usefulness is and always will be defined by the user.
Linux (OS2 or NetBSD or Solaris or even DOS) does certain things 
well, an others less well.

--
Clark McGrew                          Internet: mcgrew@skid.ps.uci.edu
Univ of Calif, Irvine                 DECnet:   psroot::mcgrew

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