Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #588
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Sun, 23 Jan 94 14:13:59 EST

Linux-Misc Digest #588, Volume #1                Sun, 23 Jan 94 14:13:59 EST

Contents:
  Re: Any way to watch a tty port? (Jim Graham)
  Re: Global Alert For All: Jesus is Coming Soon (Juergen Schreier)
  Re: Bogomips Information Sheet (Mathias Koerber)
  Re: Xarchie, can it be run over term?? (Dhaliwal Bikram Singh)
  Re: Adaptec VESA-Local Bus SCSI controller experinces/advice?? (Drew Eckhardt)
  Re: Linux logo (Matt Welsh)
  X with Stealth. (Winemaster)
  WANTED: Linux CD (Greg Robertson)
  Re: Linux logo (Kjetil T. Homme)
  *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07) (Ian Jackson)
  Re: Archives of Torvalds/Tanenbaum discussion? (Per Abrahamsen)
  How much disk for Slackware 1.1.1 (J Eric Bracken)
  I need a SCSI Card, what one should I get? (C.W. Southern)
  Re: Advice on multi-serial cards wanted... (Mark A. Bentley)
  Re: Linux Distributions and the Shadow Password Suite (Nate Williams)
  Re: Q: Linux HTML/WWW tools for editing? (Nick Hilliard)
  Re: Clock runs slow under Linux (Nick Hilliard)
  TERM and Xterminal displays with TXCONN (Clarence Wilkerson)
  Re: RFV: Linux International proposal (Michaela Merz)
  LINUX on INTERNET via SLIP (Bill Heiser)

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From: jim@n5ial.mythical.com (Jim Graham)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.programmer
Subject: Re: Any way to watch a tty port?
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 1994 17:37:17 GMT

In article <2hk62j$4jq@ornews.intel.com> snelson@ptdca2.intel.com
(Shannon Nelson) writes:

>A UPS is an Uninterruptible Power Supply.
[ .... ]
>It usually plugs into the regular power and keeps its own batteries charged
>from that power.  It will notice a blackout and switchover to the batteries
>to continue running.

Minor, nit-picky point, but a UPS doesn't switch over to the battery in a
power failure---it always runs off of the battery.  The external power
source is used to keep the battery charged, as you say, but the battery is
then used to power the equipment...even when the external power is up.

NOTE:  this might not apply to your ultra-cheap UPSs....  All of the UPSs
that I've worked with a the big ones that you'd use to protect networking
equipment, big computers, etc.....

What's the difference?  If you normally run directly from the external
power, and then switch over to the battery in a power failure, you have
a substantial fluctuation of the output voltage from the UPS.  By running
direct from the battery at all times, the computer (or whatever is being
powered by the UPS) doesn't see any break in its power.

Later,
   --jim

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From: jayes@persys.sta.sub.org (Juergen Schreier)
Subject: Re: Global Alert For All: Jesus is Coming Soon
Date: Sat, 22 Jan 1994 21:59:49 GMT

slater@nrlssc.navy.mil (Rick Slater) writes:

>Joost Helberg (jhelberg@nlsun8.oracle.nl) wrote:
>: I didn't take it calmly, several X-servers are making their way
>: to this guy now. I contacted root@orion.cc.andrews.edu and 
>: postmaster@orion.cc.andrews.edu to have his account removed.

>Translation:  "I lowered myself to this guy's level."

>Bah.

Dear Rick,

I wouldn't say BAH to what Joost did. Because in my expirience ( I am reading news
for at least 6 years now) shit like that tends to happen every once in a while.
I personally doubt that the originator of the article is the owner of the account
that posted it (this case is really rare) but complaining about something like that
should be done !
I think sending some X-Servers to the guy is one step you can take because if he really
did write the article there will be something to occupy his obviously enourmous spare time
with and if he didn't post he will be less careless about his account in the future.
and also notifiying the postmaster about such a `black sheep` in his family can force him
to stop annoying people who do NOT want to read such stuff in a `comp`-Newsgroup apart
from all the people who have to PAY for their news (at least the phone bill related to polling
them).
Yes I do think everybody should have the right to express his views but I want to have the
right not to listen to (here: not to read) it if I don't want to !!!

Cheers
     Juergen

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From: mathias@solomon.technet.sg (Mathias Koerber)
Subject: Re: Bogomips Information Sheet
Date: 23 Jan 1994 07:03:14 GMT

In (<2hhgeq$3s1@klaava.Helsinki.FI>) Wim van Dorst (baron@clifton.hobby.nl) wrote:
| [ Moderator's note: This is LaTeX code, for those who don't recognize it at
|   sight.  --liw ]

| 486DX2/66 ICL ErgoPRO     & 33.55 & mathias@solomon.technet.sg (Mathias Koerber) \\
This was under SLS 1.03, the same machine (no changes) prints 33.22 under 
Slackware 1.1.0. Any idea why this difference?


| \em Pentium systems \\
| Pentium                   & 23.96 & jhelberg@nlsun8.oracle.nl (Joost Helberg) \\
| Pentium                   & 23.96 & ulf@rio70.bln.sni.de (Ulf Tietz) \\

NCR 3455 (dual 60Mhz Pentium) with Slackware 1.1.0: 24.xx

Why are pentiums so much slower?



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From: a336dhal@cdf.toronto.edu (Dhaliwal Bikram Singh)
Subject: Re: Xarchie, can it be run over term??
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 1994 07:09:03 GMT

In article <CJyJp1.4sp@cda.mrs.umn.edu> bentlema@cda.mrs.umn.edu writes:
>In article <1994Jan18.184747.21835@cdf.toronto.edu> a336dhal@cdf.toronto.edu  
>(Dhaliwal Bikram Singh) writes:
>> 
>> Can Xarchie be run over term??  If not, where can I get the source
>> so I can change it.                 
>> 
>> -bik
>
>I've run Xarchie over TERM 1.0.7 fine....
>

Actually I should have been more explicit.  Yes I have run xarchie
as a remote X app over Term using txconn. 

BUT, I want to run xarchie as a local client through a tredir port
between the remote and the local machine.  I think this could
prove to be impossible for many because the required ftp ports
are usually controlled for su access only.

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bik

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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,comp.periphs.scsi
From: drew@kinglear.cs.colorado.edu (Drew Eckhardt)
Subject: Re: Adaptec VESA-Local Bus SCSI controller experinces/advice??
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 1994 06:33:08 GMT

In article <1994Jan20.145712.13549@microware.com>,
Adam Goldberg <adam@microware.com> wrote:
>This is sort of a general plea:
>
>(1) Does anyone have any experience with Adaptec's VESA Local Bus SCSI
>    controller?  Is there a significant performance gain vs. the
>    1542x?

Which one?  Adaptec has a 6360 based board (ie, a VESA 1520 board)
as well as a 7770 based board, the 2842.  The former should allow 
transfer rates similar to an Adaptec 1540 for many applications,
at the expense of additional CPU time used.  The later should be 
faster due to the lower per-command overhead.

>(2) Does/will Linux support it?

In theory, the 6360 based board should work with the Adaptec 1520 driver
under Linux.  Unfortunately, in practice it does not - there appears to 
be some sort of timing problem with the boards.

The AIC7770 chip is radically different from all other Adaptec designs,
abandoning the high level mailbox layout used on the other busmasters
and going with a sequencer/minimal microcontroller that is programmed
with downloadable firmware.

Currently, the AIC7770 (The 2842 VESA and 2742 EISA boards use this chip)
are unsupported.  A driver will be written, but the time frame is unclear.

If you want to run Linux in the near future, don't buy one of these boards.

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From: mdw@cs.cornell.edu (Matt Welsh)
Subject: Re: Linux logo
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 1994 07:27:51 GMT

In article <14387@dirac.physics.purdue.edu> bcr@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Bill C. Riemers) writes:
>Hi there,
>
>I just finished converting the Linux logo to ascii and
>thought it would be cool if the kernel would display
>it while reading in a ramdisk...  Here it is:

No!!!

Okay, it's a nice logo, but the last thing Linux needs is a BUAF
(that's Butt-Ugly ASCII Graphic, to those of you who don't read
alt.fan.warlord) to be printed at boot time. (Or even while loading a
RAMdisk, which not everyone does during boot.)

For one thing, it would demolish any credibility that Linux might have
in the "real" UNIX world. As if "BogoMips" weren't enough. :) 

Seriously, graphics like this smack of unprofessionalism, and they
remind me all-too-much of a number of signatures that I've seen
warlorded across the Net. I, for one, would never trust a UNIX system 
that used kernel space to store a big ASCII graphic to be printed at 
boot time. If you *really* want to see the graphic, do a 
"cat /etc/barphic" in your /etc/rc.

Or put it in your .signature. Just leave it out of the kernel. Please.

mdw
-- 
"Oh, Golgi, woe is me, you can't even see the sea."

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From: cds@interaccess.com (Winemaster)
Subject: X with Stealth.
Date: 23 Jan 1994 08:52:42 GMT


Can someone give me the speeds for a Stealth? Also, a quick way to change
VGA settings for bootup on DASD?


============================================================================= 
| C.D. Silva, Esq.                                 | Po-Jama People Are     |
| cds@home.interaccess.com   <Team OS/2>           | Boring Me to Pieces!   |
| OS/2 Beta Tester           UnixWare Inside!      |                   F.Z. |
=============================================================================

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From: grober1@tisdec.tis.tandy.com (Greg Robertson)
Subject: WANTED: Linux CD
Date: 21 Jan 1994 10:26:53 -0600

I want to buy someones old Slackware CD for $20-25 (including
shipping).  Please email if you have one to sell.

Greg
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| Voice: (817) 870-0879        +-----------------------------------------+
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From: Kjetil T. Homme <kjetilho@ifi.uio.no>
Subject: Re: Linux logo
Date: 23 Jan 1994 10:28:04 GMT

+--- Matthew D. Welsh:
| I, for one, would never trust a UNIX system that used kernel space
| to store a big ASCII graphic to be printed at boot time. If you
| *really* want to see the graphic, do a "cat /etc/barphic" in your /etc/rc.
+-------

I see your point, but it is my experience that most OS include some
frills during boot-up, like Sun's fancy ray-traced colour logo and SGI
Indy's "ta-da-da---DA!" fanfare. (Okay, to be truthful, that's during
selftest, not OS boot-up.) Perhaps we should play an excerpt from
"Finlandia" on the PC speaker instead :-)


Kjetil T.

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From: ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ian Jackson)
Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 1994 11:03:01 GMT

Please do not post questions to comp.os.linux.misc - read on for details of
which groups you should read and post to.

Please do not crosspost anything between different groups of the comp.os.linux
hierarchy.  See Matt Welsh's introduction to the hierarchy, posted weekly.

If you have a question about Linux you should get and read the Linux Frequently
Asked Questions with Answers list from sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/docs, or
from another Linux FTP site.  It is also posted periodically to c.o.l.announce.

In particular, read the question `You still haven't answered my question!'
The FAQ will refer you to the Linux HOWTOs (more detailed descriptions of
particular topics) found in the HOWTO directory in the same place.

Then you should consider posting to comp.os.linux.help - not
comp.os.linux.misc.

Note that X Windows related questions should go to comp.windows.x.i386unix, and
that non-Linux-specific Unix questions should go to comp.unix.questions.
Please read the FAQs for these groups before posting - look on rtfm.mit.edu in
/pub/usenet/news.answers/Intel-Unix-X-faq and .../unix-faq.

Only if you have a posting that is not more appropriate for one of the other
Linux groups - ie it is not a question, not about the future development of
Linux, not an announcement or bug report and not about system administration -
should you post to comp.os.linux.misc.


Comments on this posting are welcomed - please email me !
--
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2 Lexington Close, Cambridge, CB4 3LS, England;  phone: +44 223 64238

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From: abraham@iesd.auc.dk (Per Abrahamsen)
Subject: Re: Archives of Torvalds/Tanenbaum discussion?
Date: 22 Jan 1994 04:09:28 GMT


I have made a quick-and-dirty HTML document containing the main
articles from the Linus vs. Tanenbaum discussion available at 

URL: <http://iesd.auc.dk/user/abraham/Home.html>

I find it easier to read than raw ASCII.

The Hurd (GNU kernel) design document is also available there.

>>>>> "Martin" == M Mueller <mm@lunetix.de> writes:

Martin> Gary Shea (shea@hawk.cs.ukans.edu) wrote: : Did anyone archive
Martin> the discussion between Linus Torvalds : and Andrew Tanenbaum
Martin> that apparently took place as : Linux was being developed?

Martin> : I'm curious what they had to say.

Martin> : Gary : -- : Gary Shea (shea@cs.ukans.edu) Department of
Martin> Computer Science : System Manager University of Kansas,
Martin> Lawrence

Martin> Get it from: ftp.funet.fi directory: /pub/OS/Linux/doc/news
Martin> filename: Linux_is_obsolete.Z

Martin> Happy reading! It's worth it.  --

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From: bracken@accord.ece.cmu.edu (J Eric Bracken)
Subject: How much disk for Slackware 1.1.1
Date: 23 Jan 1994 15:15:30 GMT


I can't seem to find how much disk space Slackware 1.1.1 will take up
when installed.  Does anybody know, or can you point me to a relevant
file?

--Eric Bracken (bracken@accord.ece.cmu.edu)

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: cws9669@ultb.isc.rit.edu (C.W. Southern)
Subject: I need a SCSI Card, what one should I get?
Reply-To: cws9669@ultb.rit.edu ()
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 1994 17:04:25 GMT

I need to know what SCSI card will work with Linux. And works well.  I plan
on starting with a 200meg SCSI drive and a Sony CDROM.  Then to move on to
larger drives and a QIC-150 tape drive.  I need the card to support internal
and external devices.  And DOS too ):.  Right now I am looking into the 
Adaptec 1542C, and suggestion or comments.

thanks
chris.

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From: bentlema@nxsci173c.mrs.umn.edu (Mark A. Bentley)
Subject: Re: Advice on multi-serial cards wanted...
Reply-To: bentlema@cda.mrs.umn.edu
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 1994 18:01:37 GMT

In article <CJzzLM.JB1@suncad.camosun.bc.ca> morley@suncad.camosun.bc.ca (Mark  
Morley) writes:
> I currently have an STB 4-port serial card installed.  It is an excellent
> card and I highly recommend it.  Now we are about to add more modems to
> our BBS.  

I have one too, and yes, it is a great card.

> 
> I know I can add another STB card for a total of 8 ports, but I don't think
> you can then add a third STB later - or can you?  See, we may have to have
> more than 8 modems before long.

You can't have more than two STB 4-port boards in the same computer since there  
are only 8 comfigurable I/O addresses.

> 
> If I *can* have 3 or 4 STB's in the same box then that's fine (I like them
> a lot).  If not, can anyone recommend a good 8 port card that will
> co-exist with the STB that I already have?
> 
> Along these lines... my current STB card is set up so that each port uses
> a different IRQ.  If I were to place all 4 ports on the same IRQ, will
> this degrade performance at all?  Is it feasible to have 3-4 STB's with
> each *card* set to a unique IRQ (I know I have 4 IRQ's available).  What
> would the performance be like?
> 
Well, you can't.  As far as sharing IRQ's, I don't notice any performance  
degredation at 57600 baud, and I'm using irq 5 for all 4 ports.

The only way to have more than 2 STB 4-port boards would be if STB makes  
differnt versions of the 4-port with different port addresses.

> My users generally connect at 38K, do a lot of telnetting/ftping/etc. 
> It's highly unlikely that all 8-12 lines would be downloading files, but
> it is a possibility.  I need each port to be capable of 38K, have full
> modem control, etc.
> 
> Thanks in advance for any and all suggestions.  I'll summarize if desired.
> 
> Mark

I do know it is possible to have 12 or 16 or even more, but I do not know what  
manufactures make one.  I'm also interested in some responces.

I have a questions of my own.  Under linux, does each tty use a unique I/O  
port?  If so, would it not be possible to have up to 65535 tty devices minus  
the standard and reserved ports?  Just curious.  :-)

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From: nate@bsd.coe.montana.edu (Nate Williams)
Subject: Re: Linux Distributions and the Shadow Password Suite
Date: 23 Jan 1994 18:19:19 GMT

In article <1994Jan22.174258.20565@rpp386>,
John F. Haugh II <jfh@rpp386.cactus.org> wrote:
>In article <1994Jan21.180607.17012@swan.pyr> iiitac@swan.pyr (Alan Cox) writes:
>>And unfortunately its neither the first time nor will it be the last time this
>>has happened. But it is a distribution of linux problem not a linux issue -
>>and nobody has every claimed the distributions are GPL - much is BSD, or
>>assorted author copyrights.
>
>Uh, I've read the BSD copyright.  If you guys have trouble with my
>copyright, you guys should be throwing fits over the BSD copyright.

Please explain in public your problems with the BSD copyright.

The BSD copyright says basically:
1) This is copyrighted
2) You can do anything you want with this but claim you wrote it.

That's pretty much it.  That means you can't force folks to send you bug
reports or send you money to distribute it (for profit or for free).

I see this as WAY less restrictive than your copyright.

(Which to me is basically shareware for Unix.)


Nate
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home #: (406) 586-0579       |  proprietary O.S.'s (Microsloth) - Me

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From: nick@quay.ie (Nick Hilliard)
Subject: Re: Q: Linux HTML/WWW tools for editing?
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 1994 15:50:37 GMT

Mark Watson (mwa@netcom.com) spoke thus:
: Sorry in advance if this is not the *perfect* place for this discussion:

: I am an author (Springer/Verlag, McGraw-Hill).  In addition to commercial
: writing, I am interested in PD publishing via WWW.  I am looking for tools
: that let me edit HTML hypertext documents under Linux; I have found Cello
: and an editor that run under MS-Windows, but obviously I would prefer to
: do all of my work under Linux/X Windows (who can blame me.. -:) ).

: Thanks in advance to any information on tools, more appropriate 
: newsgroups, etc.

There's an HTML mode in the latest version of Lucid Emacs.  I haven't really
had a close look at it, but it has most of the basics.  I haven't compiled
it on my Linux box at home either, yet, so I don't know if you'll have to
fiddle to get it to work.  My guess would be that the amount of fiddling
would be minimal.

Nick
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From: nick@quay.ie (Nick Hilliard)
Subject: Re: Clock runs slow under Linux
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 1994 16:17:25 GMT

Jim Kunzman (jdk001u@paradyne.com) spoke thus:
: I'm not sure whether others have experienced this, but my Linux
: machines lose about 3 minutes per day.  In lieu of a better Linux
: timekeeper, I would like to put a process into cron that will update
: the clock every day by reading the cmos clock and adjusting the Linux
: time.  Is there such a program?  -Jim

Check out /etc/clock.  This program can read the CMOS clock and use it to
reset the software clock.

Nick
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: wilker@cantor.math.purdue.edu (Clarence Wilkerson)
Subject: TERM and Xterminal displays with TXCONN
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 1994 18:11:02 GMT

In answer to a question I posted the other day,
I'm uploading to Sunsite a couple of
program sources. The major work, not mine, is
"xforward", from the DEC Cambridge labs. See the
README in the sources for more information.

Background: 
Well, I finally got "term" working, along with
"txconn". However, I do most of my work on a color xterminal
attached to the box on which "term" runs, via ethernet.
I wanted my x stuff received via the "txconn"
remapping to display on the color termminal.
I looked around and found the "xforward" program which does
the right thing with tcp connections.

Unfortunately, txconn does its magic by connecting to
a unix family socket on the X-server instead of a
internet socket.

Solution:

This was a quick hack on the xforward source
so that I could redirect an incoming (term socket) request
for a local X-server on a unix socket
to a remote X-server connected via
an internet socket.

It's meant to be used together with the term utility
txconn.

Usage:

Let me give the way I use it:

0) Kill any Xervers on local "term" machine hopf2.
1) From local machine hopf2, connect to remote machine
   hopf via pcomm
2) From login on hopf, start "term -l ./.termrc/hopf2.log "
3) In pcomm, ^A-up and select "term" as my upload utility.
   ( I had previous installed term as an external protocol in 
   pcomm).
4) switch to another window on hopf2, and do
   "yforward -display color:0 -n 0 -t 360 &
   Hopf2 should respond with a message like
  "display is hopf2.math.purdue.edu:/tmp/.X11-unix/X0"
5) Now trsh back to hopf:
   "trsh "
   and on hopf, "trsh"
   hopf will give you a message giving the display number, 
   probably hopf:9.
   Now on hopf, do "setenv DISPLAY hopf:9 "
   and you X applications should dislay back on "color:0"
6) This will prompt you for each attempted connections.
   Some X-app open several connections, so this is a minor
   pain.

The theory one more time:

hopf:9 ---(via term)-->hopf2:0 ---(via yforward)--> color:0

Good luck.

Clarence Wilkerson


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From: misch@eurom.fsag.rhein-main.de (Michaela Merz)
Subject: Re: RFV: Linux International proposal
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 1994 18:36:35 GMT


On Sat, 22 Jan 1994 00:37:47 +0000,
sunil@magnetic.demon.co.uk (Mr Sunil Gupta) wrote:

> I would like to register a *No* vote, for the following reasons:

I would like to register a *YES*.

There are too many little companies which are selling Linux in a kind
of fire and forget. Nobody feels responsible for after sales. There
is no support available, and everybody will become a true Windows or
OS/2 users if he/she is gettin' into trouble with Linux because there's
no help available. This companies are doing a good business but they
are also destroying a lot of confidence. Remember: not everybody has 
access to netnews.

Linux will *never* become important to commercial users as long as the 
most needed applications (i.e. textprocessing) are not available. The 
free software community has not been able to produce software for
endusers. And commercial organisations will not port any software,
as long as there is nobody they can talk to.

We *will* support LI. Because we want to support LINUX.

Michaela Merz
Free Software Association of Germany


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From: bill@bhhome.ci.net (Bill Heiser)
Subject: LINUX on INTERNET via SLIP
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 1994 16:43:01 GMT

I am looking into a SLIP connection for my LINUX box.  I would be using
SLIP via either 14.4K or 28.8K modems.  When I last tried SLIP, though, 
I had all kinds of problems like "rcp" hanging, ftp hanging, etc, etc.
I am running .99P13, and haven't upgraded my networking utilities (the
system has been very stable for my current UUCP environment so I didn't
bother).   There seem to be many different "net fix" patches bandied about.

What level of LINUX, and exactly what networking files do I need to upgrade
to get SLIP to work reliably?  Is it possible at all?

Then there will be the whole issue of making LINUX secure enough to leave
on the net without crackers trashing it :-)

Thanks!
Bill

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Bill Heiser   bill@bhhome.ci.net       heiser@world.std.com

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