Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #587
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
Reply-To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
Date:     Sun, 23 Jan 94 03:16:20 EST

Linux-Misc Digest #587, Volume #1                Sun, 23 Jan 94 03:16:20 EST

Contents:
  Re: POV-Ray
  Re: Linux as X-Terminal? No! (Amancio Hasty Jr)
  Re: Fortran compilers for linux? (hamer kenneth)
  Re: Comments On SLS Linux Spin-Off? (Davor Cubranic)
  Re: CAS for Linux (was Re: Mathematica for Linux) (Aubrey Jaffer)
  Re: PPP slower than SLIP! (Michael Horwath)
  Re: Linux logo (Kjetil T. Homme)
  Looking for an OS (Gregory Ade)
  Re: dos2unix, unix2dos text conversion programs?? (Scott Alfter)
  Re: IP routing problem in pl14 kernel? (Remco Treffkorn)
  Re: How to handle lzh files?
  Re: uucp 1.04 - looking for tester, _complete_ (better)version (Remco Treffkorn)
  Re: desktop capability under Linux (Remco Treffkorn)

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From: stub@pce60.rz.tu-clausthal.de ()
Subject: Re: POV-Ray
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 1994 00:18:09 GMT

a920101@zipi.fi.upm.es wrote:
: Has anybody ported POV-Ray 2.1 (or 2.0 or 1.0) to LINUX? (Sources in
: 134.117.1.1) If someone does, *PLEASE* mail me. I would do it myself,
: but i am a beginner in LINUX (in UNIX in general, and in C).
: Thanks and Happy new Year.
:                               Peace.

I think Pov2.1linux is somewhere on sunsite.unc.edu...

If not, drop me a line, I got it at home...

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            | 21:100/4923.666@gernet     | stub@pce60.rz.tu-clausthal.de

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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr)
Subject: Re: Linux as X-Terminal? No!
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 1994 01:13:55 GMT

In article <1994Jan22.045853.14352@taylor.wyvern.com> mark@taylor.wyvern.com (Mark A. Davis) writes:
>doolitt@cebaf4.cebaf.gov (Larry Doolittle) writes:
>
>>In article <1994Jan21.021431.7956@taylor.wyvern.com>,
>>mark@taylor.wyvern.com (Mark A. Davis) writes:
>>> jasonh@chineham.euro.csg.mot.com (Jason Haar) writes:
>>> 
>>> >A Linux system with a minimal OS on HD, using NFS to mount software 
>>> >(including X11 even) should give better performance than an Xterminal 
>>> >because there are no bitmaps flying over the network.
>>> 
>>> That is incorrect.  Xterminals are highly X optimized, are there are no
>>> "bitmaps flying over the network".  There ARE fonts, which should be cached.
>>> To compete with an Xterminal, you would need a very fast video card &
>>> network adapter.  And even then, it is a LOT more work to get it up and keep
>
>[...]
>
>>Does the "lower long-term costs" include the load on the network and server?
>
>Yep.  The reduced maintenance overheads really do pay off, even factoring
>those in.  Network loads are usually less than most workstation setups.

It all depends on the hardware configuration, software packages and 
the sysadm. We have two PCs over here and I seldomnly use NFS but
if I want to I can use NFS. My minimal network configuration can
be easily expanded to a large network. As for the maintenance cost
or overhead it is also minimal over here due to the modularity of the
system. If one system goes down, I still have another one. I don't
have a single system which will cause a network failure such as
the case of the X-terminals and one big system.

Also, the graphic performance of my systems are mutually exclusive,
again this is something to consider.

Last but not least the graphic hardware is rapidly evolving and
at least in the PC arena we can take advantage of the newer 
technology much quicker than what any X-Terminal vendor can
provide. Faster graphic cards for the PCs are due this year
further widening the performance between X-Terminals and
PCs. SGCS has claimed 245k stones for Matrox MGA graphic card
to the best of my knowledge no X-Terminal can claim this.

        Enjoy,
        Amancio


-- 
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From: khamer@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (hamer kenneth)
Subject: Re: Fortran compilers for linux?
Date: 23 Jan 1994 01:37:13 GMT

werner@acsu.buffalo.edu (Erik Werner) writes:

>/usr/bin/f2c: can't load dynamic linker 'lib/ld.so'

>I seem to get this error when 'make'ing other downloads.
>could someone tell me what this means and maybe how to correct it?
>oh, BTW, 0.99p10 and MCC

It means your system cannot load the dynamic linker required by your
particular version of f2c.  The solution is to get and install the dynamic
linker.  Look on sunsite.unc.edu:/pub/Linux/gcc/ld.so.  Follow the
instructions.

While you are at it, modernize your system.  The fact that you are still
at pl10 impies that your libraries and compiler (as well as, obviously,
kernel) are old enough to cause you problems when used with recently
compiled/developed packages.

-Ken
-- 
______________________________________________________________________________

Kenneth L. Hamer
khamer@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu

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From: cubranic@whale.st.usm.edu (Davor Cubranic)
Subject: Re: Comments On SLS Linux Spin-Off?
Date: 23 Jan 1994 02:15:38 GMT

Matthew Donadio (donadio@mxd120.rh.psu.edu) wrote:
: Remebmer 0.95c+?  I doubt things will change, and besides,
: what's in a name?

A rose by any other name is still a rose.  (Shakespeare) :-)

--
Davor Cubranic
cubranic@whale.st.usm.edu

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From: jaffer@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Aubrey Jaffer)
Crossposted-To: sci.math.symbolic
Subject: Re: CAS for Linux (was Re: Mathematica for Linux)
Date: 22 Jan 94 22:03:47

In article <CJv56x.34I@cpp.PHA.PA.US> cfearnl@cpp.PHA.PA.US (Cristopher J. Fearnley) writes:

   In article <ARA.94Jan18150531@camelot.ai.mit.edu> ara@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Allan Adler) writes:
   >
   >You can use GAP, Macaulay and Jacal on Linux. They are all free.

   ... But what are Macauley and Jacal and where are they?

I develop JACAL on a Linux machine.
================================================================
This message announces the availability of JACAL release jacal1a4.

New in jacal1a4 are:

        From: Jerry D. Hedden <HEDDEN@esdsdf.dnet.ge.com>
        * slib.texi: tensor operators documented.
        * rw.math: General Relativity batch file updated.
        * tensor.scm: updated.

        From: Hal Abelson <hal@martigny.ai.mit.edu>
        * unparse.scm (hglue): did not handle missing optional arguments
        correctly.

JACAL is a symbolic mathematics system for the simplification and
manipulation of equations and single and multiple valued algebraic
expressions constructed of numbers, variables, radicals, and algebraic
functions, differential, and holonomic functions.  In addition,
vectors and matrices of the above objects are included.

JACAL is written in Scheme.  A version of Scheme (IEEE P1178 and R4RS
compliant) written in C is available with JACAL.  SCM runs on Amiga,
Atari-ST, MacOS, MS-DOS, OS/2, NOS/VE, Unicos, VMS, Unix and similar
systems.

JACAL source is available via FTP (detailed instructions follow) from:
altdorf.ai.mit.edu:archive/scm/jacal1a4.tar.gz (or later revision).
prep.ai.mit.edu:pub/gnu/jacal/jacal1a4.tar.gz
nexus.yorku.ca:pub/scheme/new/jacal1a4.tar.gz
ftp.maths.tcd.ie:pub/bosullvn/jacal/jacal1a4.tar.gz

SLIB is a portable scheme library which JACAL requires:
altdorf.ai.mit.edu:archive/scm/slib1d5.tar.gz
prep.ai.mit.edu:pub/gnu/jacal/slib1d5.tar.gz
nexus.yorku.ca:pub/scheme/new/slib1d5.tar.gz
ftp.maths.tcd.ie:pub/bosullvn/jacal/slib1d5.tar.gz

SCM is a small Scheme implementation under which JACAL will run.
altdorf.ai.mit.edu:archive/scm/scm4d3.tar.gz
prep.ai.mit.edu:pub/gnu/jacal/scm4d3.tar.gz
nexus.yorku.ca:pub/scheme/new/scm4d3.tar.gz
ftp.maths.tcd.ie:pub/bosullvn/jacal/scm4d3.tar.gz

Programs for printing and viewing TexInfo documentation (which JACAL
has) come with GNU Emacs or can be obtained via ftp from:
prep.ai.mit.edu:pub/gnu/texinfo-3.1.tar.gz

Files in these directories are compressed with patent-free gzip (no
relation to zip).  The program to uncompress them is available from
prep.ai.mit.edu:pub/gnu/gzip-1.2.4.tar
prep.ai.mit.edu:pub/gnu/gzip-1.2.4.shar
prep.ai.mit.edu:pub/gnu/gzip-1.2.4.msdos.exe

  ftp altdorf.ai.mit.edu [18.43.0.152] (anonymous)
  bin
  cd archive/scm
  get jacal1a4.tar.gz
  get slib1d5.tar.gz
  get scm4d3.tar.gz
or
  ftp prep.ai.mit.edu (anonymous)
  bin
  cd pub/gnu/jacal
  get jacal1a4.tar.gz
  get slib1d5.tar.gz
  get scm4d3.tar.gz

`jacal1a4.tar.gz' is a compressed tar file of the JACAL Scheme code.
`slib1d5.tar.gz' is a compressed tar file of a Scheme Library.
`scm4d3.tar.gz' is a compressed tar file of the C code distribution.

Remember to use binary mode when transferring the files.
Be sure to get and read the GNU General Public License (COPYING).
It is included in scm4d3.tar.gz and jacal1a4.tar.gz.

To receive an IBM PC floppy disk with the documentation, source, and
executable files, send $99.00 to: Aubrey Jaffer, 84 Pleasant St.,
Wakefield MA 01880 USA.

If you like JACAL you can support the developement and maintainence of
it by buying a disk from me or by sending money to the above address.

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From: drechsau@winternet.mpls.mn.us (Michael Horwath)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: PPP slower than SLIP!
Date: 23 Jan 1994 02:49:05 GMT

Rene COUGNENC (rene@renux.frmug.fr.net) wrote:
: renux:/home/rene/ppp $ ping remy
: PING ftp.ibp.fr (132.227.60.2): 56 data bytes
: 64 bytes from 132.227.60.2: icmp_seq=1 ttl=173 time=206 ms
: [more ping output deleted]
: 64 bytes from 132.227.60.2: icmp_seq=7 ttl=179 time=158 ms

:  linux linux linux linux -[ cougnenc@renux.frmug.fr.net ]- linux linux linux 

I wish I could get ping times like that on my system (and a friend is
thinking the same thing right here over my shoulder). 

the PPP (can't remember the version, it is the one with the highest numbers
in it though :) that we both have installed is considerably slower on
pings than we are used to, at the same time, ftp and response time is
about the same.  Go figure...

An idea that I have (he doesn't want to be in on this one) is that the
MTU (MRU) is much higher than we normally used.  We use 512 on slip and
PPP defaults to 1500, the turnaround time (which you can see by watching
the lights right now on my dual standard USR) are very very much different.

Does this sound reasonable? :)

--
Mike Horwath   IRC: Drechsau  LIFE: Lover   drechsau@winternet.mpls.mn.us
Winternet:  info@winternet.mpls.mn.us       root@jacobs.mn.org <- Linux!
Twin Cities area Internet Access:  612-941-9177 for more info

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From: Kjetil T. Homme <kjetilho@ifi.uio.no>
Crossposted-To: alt.ascii-art
Subject: Re: Linux logo
Date: 23 Jan 1994 03:53:13 GMT

+--- Bill C. Riemers:
| I just finished converting the Linux logo to ascii and thought it
| would be cool if the kernel would display it while reading in a
| ramdisk... [ascii-art omitted]
+-------

Nice work! I'm afraid that your logo would scroll past fairly quickly
on many consoles, so I reduced the size of the triangle so that it
will fit into 25 lines. I also fixed the serifs a little and moved the
"Release" string. Hope you like it.

...........................................................................
  .......................................................................
   ............########.................................................
     ...........#####.................................................
      ..........####.................................................
        ........####....###..##.....###.####....###.###...###......
         ......####.....##...###....##..###.....##...##..##.......
           ....####....##...##.##..##..###.....###....####......
            ..####....##...##..#####...###.....##.....###......
              ####....##...##...####...###....###....##.##...
             ####....##...##.....##.....###..###....##...##.
             ####...###..###.....##......#####....####..####
=============####==========================================================
            ####                          R e l e a s e   1 . 0
============####============###============================================
           #####       ...####......................
          ###################......................
          ##################.....................
                           .....................
                             .................
                              ...............
                                ...........
                                 .........
                                   .....
                                    ...


Kjetil T.

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.next.advocacy,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.unix.solaris
From: tempest@amiserv.xnet.com (Gregory Ade)
Subject: Looking for an OS
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 1994 03:53:49 GMT

I hope I posted this to all the right groups...  If not, don't flame me,
I don't have time for that, just put it where it belongs.

I'm looking for a new OS, and have my eye on several at the moment.

I'm looking at:

NeXTStep 3.2  (I love the interface, and it seems to have most of the
        apps I need)

OS/2 (This has the added benifit of running the few apps i already have
        and i already know it'll work flawlessly on my system; I gave my 
        specs to an IBM rep on Compu$erve and he said it'll work fine)

Solaris x86 (Another unix system; I like unix for its' multiuser/multitasking
        and it's inherent connectivity.  And, if I'm not mistaken, it has
        the range of apps that I need.)

SCO Open Desktop (I'm not entirely too keen on this one, but may be persuaded
        if I find it has what I need/want)

Windows NT (yeah, I know it's Not all There, but it would save me my couple
        windows apps that I have.  I would like to stay away from it if I can)

Chicago (maybe.. When's it due out and will it be worth my while?)

What my next OS MUST HAVE:
        multitasking (multithreading wouldn't hurt either); 
        multiuser (at least 2 users, pref 5); GUI (i'm a graphics freak :) );
        a good base of Real World (tm) apps (WP, Mathcad, Autocad or comp 
        2-3D CAD, capable spreadsheet, capable comm software); ability to 
        network (TCP/IP, SLIP/PPP); flexibility in the filesystem (I have a 212 
        and a 340 MB hd, anything that won't fit on only one needs to be able
        to spread out over both); an available Develpment environment (C, 
        C++, Objective C, whatnot);

What would be really really nice to have as well:
        support for all four com ports (i can always reconfigure my modem
        to com2 if I absolutely have to); support for QIC-40 floppy-controlled
        tapes ('cause that's what i have for now); NFS/NIS support

What I run now:
        MS-DOS 6.0 / Win 3.1 (has my apps, but not my blessings)
        Linux 0.99pl14 (doesn't have the apps i need (save the development
        environment)

What my system is:
        i486DX/50mHz, 256k cache, 8meg ram (when i get $$, i get RAM)
        212mb IDE and 340mb IDE (i don't care if i have to reconfigure these 
                insofar as master/slave)
        both size floppies and a Mountain FileSafe 4000 QIC-40 60MB tape
        Intel 14.4/14.4i faxmodem (com3)
        serial mouse (com1); serial summasketch tablet (com2)

Whatever OS I choose, i'm going to need it to carry me and my 486 through 
        the next five years at least (till i'm ever out of school or get 
        a new puter gratis)
        

Thanks for any advice!

Gregory.


--
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                Let me know when you let me know...

Gregory K. Ade          SnailMail:   1095 Heather Rd., Deerfield, IL 60015
                        Compu$erve:  71554,1714 (71554.1714@compuserve.com)
        preferred:      InterNet:    tempest@camelot.bradley.edu
============================================================================

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From: sknkwrks@sonny-boy.cs.unlv.edu (Scott Alfter)
Subject: Re: dos2unix, unix2dos text conversion programs??
Date: 23 Jan 1994 04:08:01 GMT

In article <14321@dirac.physics.purdue.edu> bcr@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Bill C. Riemers) writes:
>In article <SKNKWRKS.94Jan18015308@sonny-boy.cs.unlv.edu> sknkwrks@sonny-boy.cs.unlv.edu (Scott Alfter) writes:
>>Try these simple C programs.  (Cut out the source code between the
>>lines and compile...no makefile needed since a makefile for such
>>simple programs would be pointless.)
>
>Ah, another post by someone who doesn't know how to use sed or ed.  Always
>get a good laugh  when people write complicated programs to replace simple
>one line unix commands.  
>
>[deleted]
>
>p.p.s. I'm still looking for a decent "ed" manual page.  The one I have
>is completely useless.

...and now you know why I took the "complicated" (not really, IMHO)
approach of hacking together a small C program to do the job.  To my
way of thinking, it was the most obvious solution (for someone who
still hacks together small BASIC programs on an Apple II from time to
time to do various odd jobs).  Besides, /usr/man/man1/ed.1 says next
to nothing about how to use ed and /usr/man/man1/sed.1 doesn't even
exist!  (At least, it doesn't exist in SLS 1.03 with manpages-1.2
added...nope, they're not filed under /usr/man/cat1, either.)

While I'm at it, SLS doesn't include dox for a bunch of things.  I
ended up reinstalling cnews and smail so that I'd have known
configurations and manpages for both.  How are you going to make use
of something for which you have no documentation?

(BTW, I've used tr before for conversion between UNIX newlines and
Apple [II|Mac] newlines...but that's just simple substitution of LFs
for CRs or vice versa.  Conversion between UNIX newlines and
[MS-|DR ]DOS newlines involves character insertion/deletion...tr
handles deletion OK, but I don't think it handles insertion.)

  _/_   Scott Alfter (sknkwrks@cs.unlv.edu)       Ask me about SoftDAC--digital
 / v \  Skunk Works BBS offline for maintenance!  audio for your Apple IIe/IIc!
(IIGS(  (702) 894-9619 300-14400 V.32bis 1:209/263 Apple II, IBM, Trek, & more!
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From: root@hip-hop.sbay.org (Remco Treffkorn)
Subject: Re: IP routing problem in pl14 kernel?
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 22:00:00 GMT
Reply-To: remco@hip-hop.sbay.org

Erik-Jan Bos (bos@surfnet.nl) wrote:
: Dear c.o.l.m.,

probem description deleted

: This behaviour looks related to the fact that the third byte of the IP
: network number is a "0", which BTW is a valid class C network number, if
: I am not mistaken.

: Has this behaviour been seen before?

: Thanks for any help and your concern in advance.

: -- 
: Erik-Jan.

Sorry, this is wrong, you may sit down. :-)

Class A: hi bit 0, 8 network bits, 24 host bits.
Class B: hi bits 10, 16 network bits, 16 host bits.
Class C: hi bits 110, 24 network bits, 8 host bits.

Just use a real class C network address with the proper
netmask and broadcast and you will be fine. 

Remco
-- 

Remco Treffkorn, DC2XT
remco@hip-hop.sbay.org   <<-- REAL reply address !!
(408) 685-1201

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From: stub@pce60.rz.tu-clausthal.de ()
Subject: Re: How to handle lzh files?
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 1994 03:07:55 GMT

Mark Plasket (plasket@infi.net) wrote:
:  I picked up the ingres04 files from sunsite, and they have an lzh 
:  extension.  The linux decompression utilities decline to handle it.
:  Any ideas as to where to file a Linux utility that will unpack these
:  files?  (I already checked elsewhere on sunsite) 

Het LHARC from wherever you like and do

        lharc v filename-with-or-without-LZH-extension

to see what's in the archive and

        lharc e archive

to extract it ignoring pathinformation...
If you want a packed dir tree to be rebuilt, use x instead of e ...

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            | 21:100/4923.666@gernet     | stub@pce60.rz.tu-clausthal.de

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From: root@hip-hop.sbay.org (Remco Treffkorn)
Subject: Re: uucp 1.04 - looking for tester, _complete_ (better)version
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 09:54:53 GMT
Reply-To: remco@hip-hop.sbay.org

Hey guys,
nobody wants to take your first born away from you! 
No need to declare a war. I am using Taylor mode myself. I was used to
HSD from years back. When I hit on Unix again after many yers (in the form of
linux) I found out that I had a choice betwenn several config formats
with UUCP. I loved it. After reading the documentation, I deceided on
Taylor. My choice, my machine, my life! Many people are using HDB, some
are using Taylor. There are advantages for both. I do not buy into the
"standard" argument for a minute. Is everybody using the IEEE standard
GUI yet? Most people don't even know yet what that is.
Linux is 'free' software, meaning: you have a choice. Limiting peoples
choices (for any reason) is a Bad Thing (tm), IMHO.
So, what is the damage in having uucp available in two flavors? Just
explain to the potential user the advanteges of your favored pet and let them
decide! Both of you are contributing to a common cause. If you have 
diffrences, take them to e-mail. This 'ego-war' is not helping anything.
I respect you both for your contribution, but I respect T. even more
for making configuration options available.

Remains only one thing to say: Thank you both for all the time you
invested. It will *not* be wasted.

mfg,
Remco
-- 

Remco Treffkorn, DC2XT
remco@hip-hop.sbay.org   <<-- REAL reply address !!
(408) 685-1201

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Crossposted-To: comp.text.desktop
From: root@hip-hop.sbay.org (Remco Treffkorn)
Subject: Re: desktop capability under Linux
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 10:12:47 GMT
Reply-To: remco@hip-hop.sbay.org

Allan Adler (ara@zurich.ai.mit.edu) wrote:

: Can someone describe the best way to give oneself desktop publishing 
: capability on a 80386 DX 33 MHz PC running Linux?

: Allan Adler
: ara@altdorf.ai.mit.edu

Yup! Have a DOS partition on the disk and run ms windows and a DTP
program. I love linux, but the just is *nothing* usable out there.
Emacs, doc or andrew really do not qualify. The first was not meant
to be a DTP package, doc is only (at best) a demo, and andrew is a 
great solution (for a problem I don't have).

Dont't let anybody fool you, there is really nothing available, unless
things have changed since the last flame war.

There is supposedly some work underways, but I have not heared alot about
it since it started. My best bet is WINE.

Remco
-- 

Remco Treffkorn, DC2XT
remco@hip-hop.sbay.org   <<-- REAL reply address !!
(408) 685-1201

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