Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #581
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Date:     Fri, 21 Jan 94 19:13:45 EST

Linux-Misc Digest #581, Volume #1                Fri, 21 Jan 94 19:13:45 EST

Contents:
  Xmosaic binaries that wok with term? (Aaron M. Sims)
  Re: Mathematica for Linux (Maximilian Ibel)
  Re: Using 16 modems at once! (Mike McLagan)
  Help!!! I Can't use ""make"" to work (eric@mars.ntcic.edu.tw)
  Workman is not running (Andreas Joppich)
  Re: Archive of Torvalds/Tanenbaum discussion? (Louis J. LaBash Jr.)
  Nothing lost (was Re: WUARCHIVE LOST :-() (Matthias Scheler)
  Re: Detecting key press/release under console (Andries Brouwer)
  Re: Future Domain woes (Chris Royle)
  LSM use (Karl Lovink)
  Re: wsk:Group purchase 2GB SCSI tape, Wangtek 6200HS (Roger A. Bielefeld)
  Adaptec VESA-Local Bus SCSI controller experinces/advice?? (Adam Goldberg)
  Re: Attach an X terminal *TO* a Linux box? (Mark A. Davis)
  Re: WUARCHIVE LOST :-(  (Richard Phillips)
  Re: Linux as X-Terminal? No! (Larry Doolittle)
  Re: Future Domain woes (William F. Ice)
  New Future Domain 16x0 Cards (Rik Faith)
  Re: Linux as X-Terminal? No! (Benjamin Z. Goldsteen)

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From: gt4565d@prism.gatech.EDU (Aaron M. Sims)
Subject: Xmosaic binaries that wok with term?
Date: 20 Jan 94 21:30:22 GMT


        Where can I find binaries for xmosaic that work with term?  I snagged
the binaries off of tsx-11, but it didn't work.  

Thanks,
Aaron



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From: ibel@informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de (Maximilian Ibel)
Subject: Re: Mathematica for Linux
Date: 21 Jan 1994 12:00:52 GMT

Frank Eversberg (ua5b@rzstud1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) wrote:
: In article <CJu0ru.7rI@ucdavis.edu>,
: John Gillespie <john@josquin.ucdavis.edu> wrote:
: >Hannes Reinecke (hare@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de) wrote:
: >: Andrej Bauer (Andrej.Bauer@ijs.si) wrote:
: >: ( Get MuPaD ! )
: >
: >Ok, I'll bite: what is MuPaD?
: >
: >john

: MuPaD is a program for numerical and symbolic math. I havent worked with it
: since here, but I saw some announcements. It seems similar to Maple or Mma,
: but it's all free. It is develloped and distributed at the Universit"at 
: Paderborn inGermany. There are some versions of it for Mac, UNIX and clones
: and others shall follow. As they are still working on it, some of it are
: not complete, so the 
: graphic or the note-pad may be missing.
: For more information please contact the people in Paderborn. If anybody
: interested, i can post their net-address here.

I like it, too, but there are some disadvantages. The most grave thing is:
There are no build in routines for integrating functions. To do some 
interesting work, you would have to implement some integrating routines first.
It could be difficult, but who knows...

However, it is said somewhere in the FAQ that it will be released a full
featured X11-Version RSN, and perhaps this version will include new 
mathematical routines. 

Adieu,
Maximilian


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From: mmclagan@invlogic.com (Mike McLagan)
Subject: Re: Using 16 modems at once!
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 94 05:57:09 GMT

Michael Paul Lucking (mlucking@cs.uah.edu) wrote:
>: I have been assigned a new task at work to develop a network of machines
>: that can handle 160 dial in lines at speeds up to 14.4. Each connection
>: will be downloading approx. 100k worth of information a day (using sz).
>: Trying to keep the cost down, we are looking at using 486/66 machines 
>: running Linux. As planned, we would like to use 16 modems per machine
>: (thus 10 machines for the dial in). Since the current kernel supports
>: the Boca BB-2016 we plan on using one in each machine. What I am
>: look for is any comments that Linux users have related to this subject.
>: I need to know.
>:       1) Can Linux (on a 486/66) handle 16 connections at 14400 bps
>:          all receiving data via sz?
>

   Just as an FYI, I was talking to a tech support person from Digiboard the
other day who said he had one of their controllers attached to a 486/66 with
96 (yes, count them, 96) lines all pushing thru loopbacks spewing at 38.4 
locked port speed and was using something like 75% of the CPU.  

   And before the flames start, I know Digiboard isn't supported under Linux,
but if someone wanted that sort of setup, it could be!

   Mike was here...

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From: eric@mars.ntcic.edu.tw
Subject: Help!!! I Can't use ""make"" to work
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:49:04 GMT

    Hi! I am a new Linux user ,and right now I just install a new Linux to
My computer. I find I can't use "make" to install my computer. Can anybody
tell me how to deal with it?  Thanks a lot !!!
                                           Eric Chen
                                     from NTIC , Taiwan , R.O.C.
                             E-Mail Addr : eric@mars.ntcic.edu.tw

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From: aj@Z2-DB21b.ms.DeTeMobil.de (Andreas Joppich)
Subject: Workman is not running
Date: 21 Jan 1994 05:50:05 GMT
Reply-To: aj@ms.DeTeMobil.de


I have a Sony CDU-31A and workman-1.0. After starting workman it
terminates with the messsage: 

/usr/openwin/bin/workman: can't load library '/lib/libxv3.so.1'
        Incompatible version.


But I have installed the library. I'm running 99pl14s. 
What am I doing wrong ? And are there any other cd-players ?

Thanks for help.


-- 
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Andreas Joppich                      DeTeMobil GmbH
Phone +49-251-977-2943               Muenster
Fax   +49-251-977-2949               Germany
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From: lou@minuet.siue.edu (Louis J. LaBash Jr. )
Subject: Re: Archive of Torvalds/Tanenbaum discussion?
Date: 21 Jan 1994 08:38:55 -0500
Reply-To: lou@minuet.siue.edu (Louis J. LaBash Jr. )

[deleted...]

|Get it from:  ftp.funet.fi
|directory:    /pub/OS/Linux/doc/news
|filename:     Linux_is_obsolete.Z

[deleted...]

BTW: Andrew Tanenbaum's email address is ast@CS.VU.NL, maybe he has
second thoughts, now.

Louis-ljl-

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From: mscheler@wuarchive.wustl.edu (Matthias Scheler)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,demon.local,connect.chatter,connect.audit
Subject: Nothing lost (was Re: WUARCHIVE LOST :-()
Date: 21 Jan 1994 13:02:29 GMT

In article <2hn28o$9v5@hp-col.col.hp.com>, terry@col.hp.com (Terry Thero) writes:
>>    Of course, like some one said, they can go
>>    to a mirror site and retrieve the stuff, can't they? :-)

Even better: We've already done it.

-- 
Matthias Scheler                                   mscheler@wuarchive.wustl.edu
AmiNet Administration

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From: aeb@cwi.nl (Andries Brouwer)
Subject: Re: Detecting key press/release under console
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 13:13:26 GMT

pitzel@cs.sfu.ca (Brad Pitzel) writes:

>I can't figure out how to determine when a key is pressed, then
>when a key is released under the Linux console (not X, that one's
>easy :)

Put the keyboard driver in RAW (or MEDIUMRAW) mode.
For examples, consult the source of the showkey program
in kbd-0.81 or kbd-0.82.

RAW mode will give you a stream of scancodes, which is not
what you want. MEDIUMRAW mode will give you a stream of keycodes
(with high bit set for a key release). Use a kernel later than pl14n.

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: Chris Royle <car1002@cus.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Future Domain woes
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 13:14:08 GMT

William F. Ice (bice@netcom.com) wrote:
> Drew:

>  I just bought  Future Domain 1680 and run 2 SCSI HD's (an old Rodime 
> 3009 and a new Quantum LPS270) plus have an external SCSI NEC-25 CDROM
> plugged into it. DOS, Windows, OS/2 run great off of it. Linux, however, 
> doesn't even recognize the card's existence. I've changed IRQ's, memory 
> addresses, and I/O addresses, in all possible combinations (at least with 
> the DIPs) but still no cigar. I can't install Linux from the CDROM since 
> it says 0 SCSI hosts, drives, etc.

>  What am I doing wrong?
> -- 
>                                               Bill Ice
>                                               bice@netcom.com

I know someone who is using that exact same card with a 2.1GB DEC drive,
and an external SCSI CD ROM. Have you tried moving it to another slot, just
in case ? Perhaps your install disc doesn't have the TMC driver compiled in
for some reason ?

Chris.

--
Chris Royle               "In the sex war, insensitivity is the weapon of the
Managing Director          male, vindictiveness of the female". C. Connoly (?)
Objectronix Limited        c@royle.org              (Internet)
Leeds, UK 0850 668151      car1002@uk.ac.cam.hermes (JANET)

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From: karl@syssup.tds.philips.nl (Karl Lovink)
Subject: LSM use
Date: 21 Jan 94 13:16:37 GMT

I took a look in the LSM database file and saw some very interesting
information. It look like that it is formatted in some manner.
Is there also a tool available which make searching through the file
somewhat easier. 
Functions like "search for editors" would be very handy to have.

Kind regards,
--
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From: rab@hal.cwru.edu (Roger A. Bielefeld)
Crossposted-To: comp.periphs.scsi,comp.sys.next.marketplace,misc.forsale.computers.other
Subject: Re: wsk:Group purchase 2GB SCSI tape, Wangtek 6200HS
Date: 21 Jan 1994 15:54:48 GMT

Would someone who has bought one of these 6200HS units
and who has gotten an external case for it please contact
me with information on sources/prices of such cases?

Many thanks,

Roger
rab@hal.cwru.edu

-- 
Roger Bielefeld      Dept of Epidemiology and Biostatistics
Assistant Professor  Case Western Reserve University
rab@hal.cwru.edu     Cleveland, Ohio  USA

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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage,comp.periphs.scsi
From: adam@microware.com (Adam Goldberg)
Subject: Adaptec VESA-Local Bus SCSI controller experinces/advice??
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 14:57:12 GMT

This is sort of a general plea:

(1) Does anyone have any experience with Adaptec's VESA Local Bus SCSI
    controller?  Is there a significant performance gain vs. the
    1542x?

(2) Does/will Linux support it?

(3) What's a good price?

Any help, advice, comments, etc., is welcome and appreciated.  Email
or posting is fine.  Any email comments would be summarized and posted
(provided interest exists)

Thanks!

Adam
-- 
Adam G.
adamg@microware.com, or ...!uunet!mcrware!adamg
The above is not to be construed in any way as the official or unofficial
statements of Microware, or any Microware employees.

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From: mark@taylor.wyvern.com (Mark A. Davis)
Subject: Re: Attach an X terminal *TO* a Linux box?
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 13:41:47 GMT

amd@chinet.chinet.com (Andrew M Dyer) writes:

>A better idea is to look for terminals which support NFS.  I have a 
>Pagine M2000 on my home machine using NFS to download the server and local
>clients - it's much nicer than tftp.  Also many vendors can get you the 
>server software on CD-ROM, which in most cases is more convenient than QIC
>tape.

Most Xterminals do support NFS as well as TFTP to load the server/boot file
from the host.  Not sure about nicer, but it is faster.
ROM's are also available to make none of it necessary, but
they unfourtunately cost additional $.
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,demon.local,connect.chatter,connect.audit
From: Richp@tiny.demon.co.uk (Richard Phillips)
Subject: Re: WUARCHIVE LOST :-( 
Reply-To: Richp@tiny.demon.co.uk
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 07:21:59 +0000

In article <759110870snz@ncc1701a.demon.co.uk> david@ncc1701a.demon.co.uk writes:
> In article <2hn28o$9v5@hp-col.col.hp.com> terry@col.hp.com writes:
> 
> >    Sorry to hear about their loss. I have contributed several
> >    pictures there myself.
> >    Some of the stuff was:  WW1 stuff, WW2 aircraft, NoseArt,
> 
> What's NoseArt?  Stuff painted with yer nose?
> 


Snot arranged in an attractive and artful manner....................



:-)
Richard 

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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: doolitt@cebaf4.cebaf.gov (Larry Doolittle)
Subject: Re: Linux as X-Terminal? No!
Reply-To: doolitt@cebaf4.cebaf.gov (Larry Doolittle)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 14:33:45 GMT

In article <1994Jan21.021431.7956@taylor.wyvern.com>,
mark@taylor.wyvern.com (Mark A. Davis) writes:
> jasonh@chineham.euro.csg.mot.com (Jason Haar) writes:
> 
> >A Linux system with a minimal OS on HD, using NFS to mount software 
> >(including X11 even) should give better performance than an Xterminal 
> >because there are no bitmaps flying over the network.
> 
> That is incorrect.  Xterminals are highly X optimized, are there are no
> "bitmaps flying over the network".  There ARE fonts, which should be cached.
> To compete with an Xterminal, you would need a very fast video card &
> network adapter.  And even then, it is a LOT more work to get it up and keep
> it going (comparatively).  Plus you loose out on many of the advantages
> of having an Xterminal such as less power consumption, almost no setup time,
> very very little maintenance overhead, smaller footprint, often lower
> upfront cost (definately lower long-term costs, by far), no time in
researching
> drivers/cards/hardware/combinations/timings/etc, preconfiguration, warranty/
> support on thr unit as a whole, no media to fail, almost no security
concerns,
> no backup problems, etc....

Does the "lower long-term costs" include the load on the network and server?
Our site is having horrible performance problems these days because there 
are so many people bogging down the mainframes with VUE, mwm, xterms,
PLUS the real work.  I get much better response running 386/ET-4000/Linux
than some monster HP server on a big NCD, because I don't depend on the
network for my window manager and xterms.  Of course, I like the 19" screen
on the NCD much better than the 14" interlaced one on my 386 ...

> >OTOH, Xterminals do mean less work - generally :-)
> 
> Of course, there are limits when using Xterminals, and they are certainly
> not perfect for all situations :) :)

If someone has a 17+" B&W Xterminal (ethernet) 4Sale cheap, let me know -
I have a '486 Linux box at home I would like to get another seat for.  :-)

                  - Larry Doolittle    doolittle@cebaf.gov

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
From: bice@netcom.com (William F. Ice)
Subject: Re: Future Domain woes
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 07:59:26 GMT

Drew:

 I just bought  Future Domain 1680 and run 2 SCSI HD's (an old Rodime 
3009 and a new Quantum LPS270) plus have an external SCSI NEC-25 CDROM
plugged into it. DOS, Windows, OS/2 run great off of it. Linux, however, 
doesn't even recognize the card's existence. I've changed IRQ's, memory 
addresses, and I/O addresses, in all possible combinations (at least with 
the DIPs) but still no cigar. I can't install Linux from the CDROM since 
it says 0 SCSI hosts, drives, etc.

 What am I doing wrong?
-- 
                                                Bill Ice
                                                bice@netcom.com

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From: faith@cs.unc.edu (Rik Faith)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: New Future Domain 16x0 Cards
Date: 21 Jan 1994 14:33:49 GMT

Just to let you all know:

1) I wrote the Future Domain 16x0 driver (NOT THE 8 BIT FD DRIVER!).
2) I don't read linux newsgroups because they take far too much time --
   to contact me about the driver, it is best to send email.  Do *NOT*
   ask me about any other SCSI drivers -- I simply don't know anything
   about them.
3) FD has recently released at least one new BIOS that my driver does
   not support.  Unfortunately, it appears they they also redesigned
   some of the board's functionality :-(
4) To get this BIOS supported ASAP, I need at least one technically
   competent person who owns one of the new cards, and who can compile
   a Linux kernel.

-- 
Rik Faith: faith@cs.unc.edu
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."  -  Benjamin Franklin

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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: ben@rex.uokhsc.edu (Benjamin Z. Goldsteen)
Subject: Re: Linux as X-Terminal? No!
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 05:27:08 GMT
Reply-To: benjamin-goldsteen@uokhsc.edu

doolitt@cebaf4.cebaf.gov (Larry Doolittle) writes:

>In article <1994Jan19.180520.28228@cc.gatech.edu>, byron@cc.gatech.edu
>(Byron A Jeff) writes:
>> In article <14168@dirac.physics.purdue.edu>,
>>        Howevery I'm trying to gather some info about high performance
>>        mono X for linux. So I think that the c.w.x.386unix folks should see
>>        this. BAJ ]
>> 
>> OK. This is the niche that I'd like to exploit. Question: what advantage
>> would a low-mid end PC running Linux have over an Xterminal?
>> 
>> Cost - an true Xterminal has a comparably equiped PC beat hands down.
>> Performance - Can 100,000 Xstones be reached on a low-mid end PC running
>>         Linux.
>   about 80,000 for S3-80x
>> 
>> Where I work (Clark Atlata University) we are kicking around the idea of
>> how to provide X interfaces to the University computer systems. Our 2
>> contenders are Xterminals and Linux PC's running X. What I'm trying to
>> figure out is the cost of a PC in the same ballpark as the Xterminal.
>> Here's the features list and appx cost:
>> 
>> Motherboard - Cyrix 486DLC40 /w math CPU and 256K cache - $185.00
>> Memory      - 8 meg DRAM based on $35/meg               - $280.00
>> Hard Disk   - 170 MB disk - this is not a file server   - $190.00
>> Ethernet    - NE2000 clone                              - $ 70.00
>> Misc        - case,PS,multi-IO,keyboard,mouse           - $130.00
>> Video       - This is where we need to talk               ???????
>>                                                           --------
>>                                                           $855.00 + video
>> 
>> The video is where I'm kinda stumped. I don't think color is necessary
>> however the only mono monitors I see are the $115 14" jobbers which are
>> probably not up to the job. Does anyone know of 16"-19" monochome/greyscale
>> monitors for this type of work? How much do they run?

     Don't subjet your users to crappy video!  I hate crappy monitors. 
I looked a little while ago and a *GOOD* gray-scale monitor (not a,
'well, good enough for me') was like $150-200.  Now, this part is
somewhat subjective but I don't think 14" is enough for X11.  One
problem I found with X11 and few colors is that you run out REAL quick. 
I am not sure how things work with 256 grays though.  I like the idea
of a gray-scale since their sharpness, at least a good gray-scale, is
hard to beat (good color's are so expensive), but most GUI applications
just aren't tuned to that environment.  My two cents...

     Also from what I hear throw in a few extra bucks and get a SMC
Ethernet card over the NE2000 (somebody gave me the best SMC card but I
don't have the name right now)..

>> 
>> As for the rest of the video, is there anyway to get high performance
>> X in monochrome. All the 100,000+ xstone machines I've seen are using
>> accelerators and color. Is there anyway this can be done for mono/greyscale?
>> 
>> Anyway it seems that with a $115 monitor and a cheap video card the cost
>> can be kept to under $1000. But the real question is how good and Xterminal
>> can a system like this be?
>> 
>> Let's post so that we can keep the discussion going,

>Byron- the accelerated cards *should* drive a greyscale monitor
>just fine.  They have an analog signal input don't they?
>I think your $115 for a good greyscale monitor is probably
>way out of line, but I have never really priced them.
>When cost and XFree performance are desired, I don't see any
>substitute for the S3-80x cards.  You can get them for sub-$150,
>and they are screamers at 1024x768ni and under - usually I say
>"256 colors", this time I can say "256 greys" :-)
>16-greys might be more RAM efficient, but the accelerator chips
>either are not built for it, or at least XFree chooses not to
>spend time supporting those modes.  What the heck, waste those bits!

     My comments have nothing to do with Linux versus X-terminal except
that one of the bennifits and burdens of a PC-compatible is precise
control over the components.  Check out that X-terminal carefully
before you commit!

     How many of these did you say your were going to buyIn fact, I
would do a side-by-side comparison at least...if not a few week of
real-world testing (don't forget to figure out administrative costs and
problems...down time is very bad).

[in care you are wondering my vision has gone from 20/20 to 20/40
(possibly worse) over the years]
-- 
Benjamin Z. Goldsteen

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