Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #580
From: Digestifier <Linux-Misc-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Misc@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Fri, 21 Jan 94 08:13:08 EST

Linux-Misc Digest #580, Volume #1                Fri, 21 Jan 94 08:13:08 EST

Contents:
  Linux logo (Bill C. Riemers)
  Re: New files on sunsite (Matt Welsh)
  motif replacement mailing list (John Richardson)
  Re: Mathematica for Linux (Frank Eversberg)
  Re: Running Linux from CD-ROM? (Adam J. Richter)
  Re: Linux as X-Terminal? No! (Mark A. Davis)
  Re: Linux as X-Terminal? No! (Mark A. Davis)
  Re: Archives of Torvalds/Tanenbaum discussion? (Harald T. Alvestrand)
  Re: Term == SLIP ? (Olaf Titz)
  Re: WUARCHIVE LOST : ) (Bruce W Baltzer)
  Xfree driver for WD90c33 ? (Wilfred Mollenvanger)
  Re: RFV: Linux International proposal (Harald T. Alvestrand)
  *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07) (Ian Jackson)
  Re: Global Alert For All: Jesus is Coming Soon (Douglas R. Floyd)
  Linux count is now 4638 (Harald T. Alvestrand)
  Re: Slackware by Satanists? (Number 6)
  Re: Slackware needs a shadow package! (John F. Haugh II)
  Re: Linux Distributions and the Shadow Password Suite (John F. Haugh II)

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From: bcr@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Bill C. Riemers)
Crossposted-To: alt.ascii-art
Subject: Linux logo
Date: 21 Jan 94 01:05:55 GMT

Hi there,

I just finished converting the Linux logo to ascii and
thought it would be cool if the kernel would display
it while reading in a ramdisk...  Here it is:

...............................................................................
 .............................................................................
  ...........................................................................
   .........................................................................
    .......................................................................
     .....................................................................
      ...................................................................
       .................................................................
        ...............................................................
         ......########...............................................
          ......#####................................................
           .....####................................................
            ....####...##....##....##....###....##..###.####.......
             ..####...##.....###...##...###.....##...##.##........
              .####...##....##.##.##....###....##.....###........
              ####...##....##..#####...###....##......###.......
              ####...##....##...###....###....##.....##.##.....
             ####...##....##.....##.....#######.....##...##...
             ####.........###....##......#####....####..####.
=============####=============================================================
============####==============================================================
            ####     .......###............................
           #####      ....####...........................
          ###################.......  R E L E A S E   1 . 0
          ##################....................I......
                         .............................
                          ...........................
                           .........................
                            .......................
                             .....................
                              ...................
                               .................
                                ...............
                                 .............
                                  ...........
                                   .........
                                    .......
                                     .....
                                      ...
                                       .

Obcourse to do it right, the RELEASE # should be set at compile time
to whatever Linux release your are using.

                                    Bill



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From: mdw@cs.cornell.edu (Matt Welsh)
Subject: Re: New files on sunsite
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 02:56:35 GMT

In article <2hmtn4$d56@klaava.Helsinki.FI> Erik Troan <ewt@SunSITE.Unc.EDU> writes:
>As for SLS, I decided to keep it under the name SLS.old. The only reason
>anyone suggested as to why I should keep it is that the installation
>guide from the LDP uses SLS as a base. 

Not any more!

mdw
-- 
"Oh, Golgi, woe is me, you can't even see the sea."

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From: jrichard@cs.uml.edu (John Richardson)
Subject: motif replacement mailing list
Date: 21 Jan 1994 04:00:00 GMT


Did the motif replacement mailing list on yggdrasil.com go away?

Did this project just fade?  I don't even get mail back from
Adam Richter and the directory is gone too.

--
John Richardson
jrichard@cs.uml.edu

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From: ua5b@rzstud1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Frank Eversberg)
Crossposted-To: sci.math.symbolic
Subject: Re: Mathematica for Linux
Date: 21 Jan 1994 10:41:36 GMT

In article <CJu0ru.7rI@ucdavis.edu>,
John Gillespie <john@josquin.ucdavis.edu> wrote:
>Hannes Reinecke (hare@mathi.uni-heidelberg.de) wrote:
>: Andrej Bauer (Andrej.Bauer@ijs.si) wrote:
>: ( Get MuPaD ! )
>
>Ok, I'll bite: what is MuPaD?
>
>john

MuPaD is a program for numerical and symbolic math. I havent worked with it
since here, but I saw some announcements. It seems similar to Maple or Mma, but it's all free. It is develloped and distributed at the Universit"at Paderborn inGermany. There are some versions of it for Mac, UNIX and clones and others shall follow. As they are still working on it, some of it are not complete, so the 
graphic or the note-pad may be missing.
For more information please contact the people in Paderborn. If anybody
interested, i can post their net-address here.

Frank Eversberg  #8-)  Universit"at Karlsruhe, Germany


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From: adam@adam.yggdrasil.com (Adam J. Richter)
Subject: Re: Running Linux from CD-ROM?
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 01:55:13 GMT

In article <SCOT.94Jan19173629@si.ucsc.edu>,
Scott Derrick <scot@cats.ucsc.edu> wrote:
>LGX Linux CD will run from the CD-ROM , only requiring 2M of your HD
>'s space for the kernal and boot option files...
>As you say it will boot very very slowly, and loading a new
>application takse a long time. You can get it from YGGDRASIL, however
>I would wait until they released the Winter 93 release. I know its 94,
>but as with most projects, its been delayed....

        We *never* called the Winter 1994 release "Winter 1993."
We have always called it Winter 1994.

-- 
Adam J. Richter                             Yggdrasil Computing, Incorporated
409 Evelyn Ave., Apt. 312, Albany CA 94706  4880 Stevens Creek Blvd., Suite 205
(510) 528-3209                              (408) 261-6630, fax: (408) 261-6631
adam@yggdrasil.com                          info@yggdrasil.com

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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: mark@taylor.wyvern.com (Mark A. Davis)
Subject: Re: Linux as X-Terminal? No!
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 02:14:31 GMT

jasonh@chineham.euro.csg.mot.com (Jason Haar) writes:

>A Linux system with a minimal OS on HD, using NFS to mount software 
>(including X11 even) should give better performance than an Xterminal 
>because there are no bitmaps flying over the network.

That is incorrect.  Xterminals are highly X optimized, are there are no
"bitmaps flying over the network".  There ARE fonts, which should be cached.
To compete with an Xterminal, you would need a very fast video card &
network adapter.  And even then, it is a LOT more work to get it up and keep
it going (comparatively).  Plus you loose out on many of the advantages
of having an Xterminal such as less power consumption, almost no setup time,
very very little maintenance overhead, smaller footprint, often lower
upfront cost (definately lower long-term costs, by far), no time in researching
drivers/cards/hardware/combinations/timings/etc, preconfiguration, warranty/
support on thr unit as a whole, no media to fail, almost no security concerns,
no backup problems, etc....

>I used to run Andrews 'messages' X11-mailer from a server - response was 
>really slow 'cause of the amount of graphics involved. I switched to NFS 
>mounting the Andrew partition, and ran the images locally, and response 
>leapt through the roof (yes, it was definitely the network that was the 
>bottleneck).

Indeed, if backing store is not enabled in the Xterminal, and the net load
is already high, then certain programs will suffer.  But so would a Linux
box set up as an Xterminal.

>I'd say the best option would be a workstation (Linux, Sun, doesn't 
>matter), that had the OS and X11 on local disk (to dramatically cut down 
>on the amount of NFS traffic), and NFS mount anything else - /var/spool, 
>/home, etc.

That is not always the best solution.  As anyone can tell you, in a large
system (many seats) the administrative tasks for a group of workstations can
be a real pain.  Xterminals are increasing in popularity as people start to
understand how they can be used to your advantage.

>OTOH, Xterminals do mean less work - generally :-)

Of course, there are limits when using Xterminals, and they are certainly
not perfect for all situations :) :)
-- 
  /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\
  | Mark A. Davis    | Lake Taylor Hospital | Norfolk, VA (804)-461-5001x431 |
  | Sys.Administrator|  Computer Services   | mark@taylor.wyvern.com   .uucp |
  \--------------------------------------------------------------------------/

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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: mark@taylor.wyvern.com (Mark A. Davis)
Subject: Re: Linux as X-Terminal? No!
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 02:20:01 GMT

grante@hydro.rosemount.com (Grant Edwards) writes:

>The only cheap SVGA mono/greyscale tubes I've seen were 14" 640x480.  Not
>enough for X11 in my opinion.

>I've been looking in vain for a decent 17 or 19 inch greyscale or mono
>monitor for SVGA use.  You can't get a decent greyscale monitor for
>SVGA other than a 21" $1200 nanao which has just been discontinued.

Oh, not good.  I am surprised!  Although, now that I think of it, I have not
seen any lately either.  That is a shame.

[good info....]

>I think you'll be better off buying off-the-shelf X-Terminals.  You
>should be able to get decent mono or greyscale X-Terminals for $1000
>to $1200.

Hmm, we still buy Tektronix XP11 Xterminals, 14" mono, 1024x768, 100,000
Xstones, 4MB RAM, KB, all 3 ethernet connector types, mouse, license, etc...
for about $875.  Plug and play!  5 minutes from box to login.

>But I still want to play games under DOS -- so I'll still have to get
>an SVGA board and a cheap SVGA tube.

:)
-- 
  /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\
  | Mark A. Davis    | Lake Taylor Hospital | Norfolk, VA (804)-461-5001x431 |
  | Sys.Administrator|  Computer Services   | mark@taylor.wyvern.com   .uucp |
  \--------------------------------------------------------------------------/

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From: hta@uninett.no (Harald T. Alvestrand)
Subject: Re: Archives of Torvalds/Tanenbaum discussion?
Date: 21 Jan 1994 11:06:51 GMT

One interesting piece, a bit out in the discussion (by AST):

>Actually, these ideas have been very well tested in practice.  OSF is betting
>its whole business on a microkernel (Mach 3.0).  USL is betting its business
>on another one (Chorus).  Both of these run lots of software, and both have
>been extensively compared to monolithic systems.  Amoeba has been fully
>implemented and tested for a number of applications.  QNX is a microkernel
>based system, and someone just told me the installed base is 200,000 systems.
>Microkernels are not a pipe dream.  They represent proven technology.

This was in 1992. QNX is out there, but is there a Mach 3.0 based OSF,
or a Chorus based USL Unix on the market?

Seems the jury is *still* out...

-- 
                   Harald Tveit Alvestrand
                Harald.T.Alvestrand@uninett.no
      G=Harald;I=T;S=Alvestrand;O=uninett;P=uninett;C=no
                      +47 73 59 70 94
My son's name is Torbjxrn. The letter between "j" and "r" is o with a slash.

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From: uknf@rzstud1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (Olaf Titz)
Crossposted-To: comp.security.unix
Subject: Re: Term == SLIP ?
Date: 21 Jan 1994 11:15:03 GMT

(Note: I substitute "remote host" for "Linux box" since this does not
depend on the OS it is running and is not Linux-specific.)

In article <1994Jan19.063832.2117@icaen.uiowa.edu>,
 <dsiebert@icaen.uiowa.edu> wrote:
> 1)  A .rhosts from the user's Linux box into the "mainframe", for many systems
>     once you get a shell on the remote system is a quick work to become root.

Do you mean a .rhosts file on the mainframe which allows access from
the remote host, or any network behind it? This is not possible - the
mainframe does not "know" the remote host (over term) as a network host.

What can be done is trsh from the remote host into the mainframe. I've
put code into term (since version 1.08) that lets you disable this.
(If you want to enforce this on your mainframe users, this is a
question of policy. It has nothing to do with term, since any user who
can log in to the mainframe has, technically, the power to enable this
to others too, regardless of the software used for this.)

> 2)  A Linux box in a net behind a firewall.  Maybe telnet and other regular
>     ports to the "mainframe" are blocked at the router.  A guy sets up his
>     Linux box with some higher numbered port not always blocked by firewalls
>     as a telnet server, and then the attacker can attack machines inside the
>     firewall from inside, where no ports are blocked.  So much for the
>     firewall!

He doesn't need term for this, it can be done trivially with "socket(1)"
or even with a bit of tweaking with xscope, which is in many standard
distributions. 

So all of the security problems you associate with term are really
problems the to-be-attacked mainframe already has, or problems of
policy that can't be solved in software anyway.

Olaf
-- 
        olaf titz     o       olaf@bigred.ka.sub.org          praetorius@irc
  comp.sc.student    _>\ _         s_titz@ira.uka.de      LINUX - the choice
karlsruhe germany   (_)<(_)      uknf@dkauni2.bitnet     of a GNU generation
what good is a photograph of you? everytime i look at it it makes me feel blue

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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,demon.local,connect.chatter,connect.audit
From: baltzebw@newton.ccs.tuns.ca (Bruce W Baltzer)
Subject: Re: WUARCHIVE LOST : )
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 14:34:02 GMT

neilm@ibmpcug.co.uk (Neil McRae) writes:

>Here is something that I thought served as a good reminder to make regular
>verified backups :)

Don't they have backups all around the world, in the form of mirrors of 
parts of the site?  For example, it should be no problem to restore all the
Aminet files...

bruce

-- 
==============================================================================
|   Bruce W. Baltzer  ......  A4000/030-882-120-6                            |
|   e-mail address : baltzebw@newton.ccs.tuns.ca                             |
|   ... soon to be an electrical engineer (5 down, 1 to go (*sigh*))         |

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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.os.linux.help
From: wilfred@zeus.wnc.nedlloyd.nl (Wilfred Mollenvanger)
Subject: Xfree driver for WD90c33 ?
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 11:00:24 GMT

Hi,

Is anyone writing a driver for the Western Digital 90c33 chipset?
It's not possible to make the card work with the 90c30 or 90c31
drivers and I want X on my Linux machine!

Thanx,

Wilfred Mollenvanger.
<wilfred@wnc.nedlloyd.nl>

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From: hta@uninett.no (Harald T. Alvestrand)
Subject: Re: RFV: Linux International proposal
Date: 21 Jan 1994 11:22:25 GMT

Real power will be with the funders, not the founders.
They want offices on 3 continents, promotion, CD-distribution and so on..

I don't think they should start with their current scheme unless they
have USD 1M in *guaranteed* starting capital. Probably much more.

I don't even bother voting. I don't think they'll get the capital.

-- 
                   Harald Tveit Alvestrand
                Harald.T.Alvestrand@uninett.no
      G=Harald;I=T;S=Alvestrand;O=uninett;P=uninett;C=no
                      +47 73 59 70 94
My son's name is Torbjxrn. The letter between "j" and "r" is o with a slash.

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From: ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ian Jackson)
Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 11:03:01 GMT

Please do not post questions to comp.os.linux.misc - read on for details of
which groups you should read and post to.

Please do not crosspost anything between different groups of the comp.os.linux
hierarchy.  See Matt Welsh's introduction to the hierarchy, posted weekly.

If you have a question about Linux you should get and read the Linux Frequently
Asked Questions with Answers list from sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/docs, or
from another Linux FTP site.  It is also posted periodically to c.o.l.announce.

In particular, read the question `You still haven't answered my question!'
The FAQ will refer you to the Linux HOWTOs (more detailed descriptions of
particular topics) found in the HOWTO directory in the same place.

Then you should consider posting to comp.os.linux.help - not
comp.os.linux.misc.

Note that X Windows related questions should go to comp.windows.x.i386unix, and
that non-Linux-specific Unix questions should go to comp.unix.questions.
Please read the FAQs for these groups before posting - look on rtfm.mit.edu in
/pub/usenet/news.answers/Intel-Unix-X-faq and .../unix-faq.

Only if you have a posting that is not more appropriate for one of the other
Linux groups - ie it is not a question, not about the future development of
Linux, not an announcement or bug report and not about system administration -
should you post to comp.os.linux.misc.


Comments on this posting are welcomed - please email me !
--
Ian Jackson  <ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu>  (urgent email: iwj10@phx.cam.ac.uk)
2 Lexington Close, Cambridge, CB4 3LS, England;  phone: +44 223 64238

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From: dfloyd@lonestar.utsa.edu (Douglas R. Floyd)
Subject: Re: Global Alert For All: Jesus is Coming Soon
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 04:11:16 GMT

In article <QUINLAN.94Jan17230141@spectrum.cs.bucknell.edu> quinlan@spectrum.cs.bucknell.edu writes:
>Readers,
>
>*Please* do not bother responding (via news) to this post.  It
>obviously does not belong here nor do I want to read about it for two
>weeks.  I have seen it in every other single comp newsgroup that I
>read.
>
>I suggest to the post's author that he learn to either respect others
>more in the future.
>
>Thank you.
>--
>Daniel Quinlan  <quinlan@spectrum.cs.bucknell.edu>

I have a feeling the poster got his account's security breached.

I agree with Dan.  The reason I feel that this poor soul got
hacked is that in general people want to keep their USENET accounts
and not get their site pulled .



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From: hta@uninett.no (Harald T. Alvestrand)
Subject: Linux count is now 4638
Date: 21 Jan 1994 11:45:48 GMT

Hello,
it's been a while since the last posting of this list.
No big news - registrations keep trickling in at the rate of 10-20
a day.

Remember: To register:

  Send mail to linux-counter@uninett.no, with the SUBJECT line being
  one of

    I use Linux at home
    I use Linux at school
    I use Linux at work
    I don't use Linux

You will get back mail telling you how your vote was counted, how to
register more information about yourself, your machine and your friends,
and the current count.

Aside: I set up a counter for BSD-based free Unix about 2 weeks ago.
It has now counted 402 BSD users.

I will try to make an automatic posting of the count at the beginning
of every month, since I tend to be distracted from doing it myself.

             Harald A

================================================================

Status of the Linux counter, as of Fri Jan 21 09:01:04 MET 1994

There are 4638 registered Linux users


PLACES WHERE LINUX IS USED
==========================
 Self Other   Sum %Sum  Place
 3486    31  3517  74% home
 1182    19  1201  25% work
   54   508   562  11% school
  281    25   306   6% somewhere
   53     0    53   1% not used
==========================
 4111   580  4691 100% TOTAL

NOTE: Some people use Linux in multiple places, so the total is not
the sum of the columns.

COUNTRIES WHERE LINUX IS USED
=============================
      Country                    Self Other   Sum  MPop Linux/M
===============================================================
 1 fi Finland                     140     0   140     5.0  28.0
 2 is Iceland                       5     0     5     0.3  19.7
 3 no Norway                       80     0    80     4.3  18.6
 4 se Sweden                      112     0   112     8.6  13.0
 5 nl Netherlands                 185     0   185    14.9  12.4
 6 dk Denmark                      52     1    53     5.1  10.2
 7 au Australia                   155     1   156    17.1   9.1
 8 de Germany                     713     4   717    79.1   9.0
 9 at Austria                      62     0    62     7.6   8.2
10 ca Canada                      198    16   214    26.6   7.4
11 ch Switzerland                  48     0    48     6.7   7.2
12 us USA                        1643    23  1666   249.6   6.6
13 lu Luxembourg                    2     0     2     0.4   5.1
14 gb Great Britain               238     5   243    57.2   4.2
15 si Slovenia                      7     0     7     2.0   3.6
16 be Belgium                      35   506   541     9.9   3.5
17 nz New Zealand                  11     2    13     3.4   3.2
18 ie Ireland                      10     0    10     3.5   2.9
19 ee Estonia                       4     4     8     1.6   2.5
20 fr France                      109    14   123    56.2   1.9
21 hk Hong Kong                     9     0     9     5.9   1.5
22 il Israel                        8     0     8     6.3   1.3
23 sg Singapore                     3     0     3     2.7   1.1
24 pt Portugal                     11     2    13    10.3   1.1
25 gr Greece                        9     0     9    10.1   0.9
26 cl Chile                        11     0    11    13.5   0.8
27 za South Africa                 23     0    23    30.2   0.8
28 hu Hungary                       7     0     7    10.5   0.7
29 na Namibia                       1     0     1     1.5   0.7
30 tw Taiwan                       12     0    12    20.3   0.6
31 cz Czech Rebublic                5     0     5    10.0   0.5
32 it Italy                        28     0    28    57.7   0.5
33 es Spain                        17     0    17    39.5   0.4
34 hr Croatia                       2     0     2     4.8   0.4
35 jp Japan                        43     0    43   123.3   0.3
36 cr Costa Rica                    1     0     1     3.1   0.3
37 pl Poland                        9     0     9    38.4   0.2
38 by Belarus                       1     0     1    10.4   0.1
39 co Colombia                      3     0     3    34.3   0.1
40 ro Romania                       2     0     2    23.2   0.1
41 cs Czechoslovakia (former)       1     0     1    15.7   0.1
42 my Malaysia                      1     0     1    18.0   0.1
43 kr Korea (South)                 2     0     2    43.1   0.0
44 br Brazil                        7     0     7   158.2   0.0
45 ua Ukraine                       2     0     2    51.9   0.0
46 mx Mexico                        3     0     3    81.4   0.0
47 su Soviet Union (former)         5     0     5   147.4   0.0
48 xe Europe (Somewhere in it)     10     0    10   320.0   0.0
49 th Thailand                      1     0     1    57.6   0.0
50 in India                         5     0     5   844.0   0.0
51 xw The World (Somewhere in i     5     0     5  5000.0   0.0
52 xx Unknown                       2     2     4  5000.0   0.0


-- 
                   Harald Tveit Alvestrand
                Harald.T.Alvestrand@uninett.no
      G=Harald;I=T;S=Alvestrand;O=uninett;P=uninett;C=no
                      +47 73 59 70 94
My son's name is Torbjxrn. The letter between "j" and "r" is o with a slash.

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Crossposted-To: sci.skeptic
From: nathan@seldon.foundation.tricon.com (Number 6)
Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 05:22:47 GMT

Okay, this doesn't belong here, and this is getting old...but!

Well, while grep'ing for Satan in my AIX (IBM RS/6000) /dev/kmem...IBM
decided to have a very virtuous (or not) operating system.  My machine
hung after it had pulled up all the rn headers with Satan in them
(i.e., this thread!)....soon after it pulled up those messages, BOOM!
Instant panic.  I guess IBM doesn't want you to find Satan, or Satan
doesn't want him to find him in AIX!  (Yes, my machine died,
completely, and rebooted itself.  No, on my little 3LED panel I did
NOT see 666....I will note that IBM has NO 6 based error codes...did
they want to avoid Satan?  I will say, that on a newer machine than
mine...666 WILL and DOES appear when loading up a driver for a NONIBM
peripheral!!!!)  Weird.  Silly and STUPID.

This thread has given me a wonderful laugh  even my totally
noncomputer literate mother in law when she was visiting last week
had a great laugh (and I can't ever get her to laugh under any
circumstances!)

(I'll note that if I grep for ANYTHING in /dev/kmem, it'll panic and
reboot....)  My machine also has no 3rd party stuff, so no 666 in my
machine!  (The box at work does, and it's funny seeing that 'ol 666 go
by after every reboot  but I only remembered the 666 after the
earthquake and I had to go reboot the machines after the mega power
failure).

Have fun!  (Why doesn't someone write a driver for the old Everex
386/20 machines that had the LED panel....what a kick that would be...
sneak it into the kernel distribution  "666  booting linux"...or,
better yet, "666  you didn't boot Linux you fool!")



***********************************************************************
Nathan D. Lane, VP Triicon Systems. Lompoc, CA  (805) 7331849 
NaN != 6, 6 == 1.  I am not a number, I am a free list!
I'm a programmer  my computers are more valuable than my cars.

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From: jfh@rpp386 (John F. Haugh II)
Subject: Re: Slackware needs a shadow package!
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 03:47:37 GMT

In article <1994Jan17.190051.27105@swan.pyr> iiitac@swan.pyr (Alan Cox) writes:
>In article <1994Jan16.043028.28506@unlv.edu> ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro) writes:
>>      Slackware desperately needs a shadow package. For those of us
>*******SHADOW PASSWORDS ARE NOT A SECURITY FEATURE*******
>
>If you want security use npasswd and Crack. That way when someone tricks
>a program into giving your shadow password file they don't immediately break
>every password on the machine.

Shadow 3.3.1 includes support for CrackLib.  Please ignore all the
typos.  Watch --
Script started on Thu Jan 20 21:45:42 1994
rpp386-> make -f Makefile.svr4 passwd
        cc -O -g -DUSG -DSVR4 -DUSE_NIS -I/usr/include '-DCRACKLIB_DICTPATH="/usr/share/lib/pw_dict"' -c passwd.c
        get -t -r3 s.obscure.c
3.8
231 lines
        cc -O -g -DUSG -DSVR4 -DUSE_NIS -I/usr/include '-DCRACKLIB_DICTPATH="/usr/share/lib/pw_dict"' -c obscure.c
"obscure.c", line 89: warning: semantics of "<" change in ANSI C; use explicit cast
        cc -o passwd -g passwd.o obscure.o libshadow.a -lsocket -lnsl -ldbm -lucb -lcrack
rpp386-> su
root's Password:
Sorry.
rpp386-> /bi/nsu    n/su
root's Password:
rpp386-> chown root ./passwd
rpp386-> chmod u+s ./passwd
rpp386-> exit
rpp386-> ./passwd jfh
Changing password for jfh
Old Password:
Incorrect password for jfh.
The password for jfh is unchanged.
rpp386-> ./passwd jfh
Changing password for jfh
Old Password:
Enter the new password (minimum of 5 characters)
Please use a combination of upper and lower case letters and numbers.
New Password:
Bad Password: it is based on a dictionary word.  Try again.
New Password:The password for jfh is unchanged.
rpp386-> exit

script done on Thu Jan 20 21:46:50 1994
-- 
John F. Haugh II  [ NRA-ILA ] [ Kill Barney ] !'s: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh
Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151 [GOP][DoF #17][PADI][ENTJ]   @'s: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org
The P.C. Movement killed the 1st Amendment, the Brady Bill the 2nd, the WOsD
got the 4th and 5th, political activism the 9th and 10th.  Not much left, eh?

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From: jfh@rpp386 (John F. Haugh II)
Subject: Re: Linux Distributions and the Shadow Password Suite
Reply-To: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 03:55:06 GMT

In article <1994Jan19.202501.19435@swan.pyr> iiitac@swan.pyr (Alan Cox) writes:
>And I'd like any that have been changed put back. Any that say xx distribution
>of Linux is all GPL'd material yes - Linux is not a Linux distribution any
>more than the sunsite ftp archive is Linux because it has a Linux kernel
>in the filestore

UNIX is more than /unix.  When you can get "Linux" to run with just a
kernel and actually do something useful, come back and tell me about it.

The fact remains -- several people took code which did not belong to
them and sold it against the wishes of the owner.  I don't care what
you call "Linux".  I call what was done "theft".
-- 
John F. Haugh II  [ NRA-ILA ] [ Kill Barney ] !'s: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh
Ma Bell: (512) 251-2151 [GOP][DoF #17][PADI][ENTJ]   @'s: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org
The P.C. Movement killed the 1st Amendment, the Brady Bill the 2nd, the WOsD
got the 4th and 5th, political activism the 9th and 10th.  Not much left, eh?

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