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Subject: Linux-Misc Digest #575
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Linux-Misc Digest #575, Volume #1                Thu, 20 Jan 94 13:13:25 EST

Contents:
  Re: Why are linux executibles (Steve Yelvington)
  Re: vi under XTERM (Remco Treffkorn)
  *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07) (Ian Jackson)
  Can't print using doc (Jason Ting)
  Re: CAS for Linux (was Re: Mathematica for (Claus Dalmose)
  Re: Help Installing Linux!!! (Bill C. Riemers)
  Linus' Box?  (was: Re: What's the *dream* Linux Platform?) (Michael Gerlek)
  IP routing problem in pl14 kernel? (Erik-Jan Bos)
  Re: WUARCHIVE LOST :) (Alan Buxey)
  Re: Any way to watch a tty port? (Remco Treffkorn)
  Re: PS/2 Mouse (Remco Treffkorn)
  GNANS for Linux? (Ahmet M. Cakmakci)
  Re: Archives of Torvalds/Tanenbaum discussion? (H.J. Lu)
  How to handle lzh files? (Mark Plasket)
  Re: Linux as X-Terminal? No! (Mark A. Davis)

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From: steve@thelake.mn.org (Steve Yelvington)
Subject: Re: Why are linux executibles
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 07:49:05 GMT

Looks to me as if GCC+Linux do pretty well in the size department.

I compiled hello.c on one of the old Sun/2's at work the other day and
got a 36K executable that was about 24K after stripping. 

The same program cc'ed under Linux was 15K, 9K after stripping, and 988
bytes when run through cc -O2 -N and then stripped.

Linux was faster, too. :-)

-- 
Steve Yelvington in Marine on St. Croix, Minnesota USA <steve@thelake.mn.org>

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From: root@hip-hop.sbay.org (Remco Treffkorn)
Subject: Re: vi under XTERM
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 07:59:17 GMT
Reply-To: remco@hip-hop.sbay.org

Rob Janssen (rob@pe1chl.ampr.org) wrote:
: In <1994Jan13.010352.5409@interworld.in-berlin.de> falcston@interworld.in-berlin.de (Stephan Mottek) writes:

: >BIG problems with using VI under xterm with keys like PGUP
: >PGDOWN. vi crashes sometimes if I use them (segment violation)
: >I've changed TERMCAP but there is no change. If thre is anyone
: >who nows the problem please help me!

: That is a bug in elvis...
: Solution: just don't hit those keys.  If you do, recover your file
: using elvrec.

: Rob
: -- 

Yes and No. This used to be a bug in elvis. It is gone now. Just get
elvis-1.7.1.tgz or find a binary. Should be all over the place by now.

Remco
-- 

Remco Treffkorn, DC2XT
remco@hip-hop.sbay.org   <<-- REAL reply address !!
(408) 685-1201

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From: ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ian Jackson)
Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 11:03:00 GMT

Please do not post questions to comp.os.linux.misc - read on for details of
which groups you should read and post to.

Please do not crosspost anything between different groups of the comp.os.linux
hierarchy.  See Matt Welsh's introduction to the hierarchy, posted weekly.

If you have a question about Linux you should get and read the Linux Frequently
Asked Questions with Answers list from sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/docs, or
from another Linux FTP site.  It is also posted periodically to c.o.l.announce.

In particular, read the question `You still haven't answered my question!'
The FAQ will refer you to the Linux HOWTOs (more detailed descriptions of
particular topics) found in the HOWTO directory in the same place.

Then you should consider posting to comp.os.linux.help - not
comp.os.linux.misc.

Note that X Windows related questions should go to comp.windows.x.i386unix, and
that non-Linux-specific Unix questions should go to comp.unix.questions.
Please read the FAQs for these groups before posting - look on rtfm.mit.edu in
/pub/usenet/news.answers/Intel-Unix-X-faq and .../unix-faq.

Only if you have a posting that is not more appropriate for one of the other
Linux groups - ie it is not a question, not about the future development of
Linux, not an announcement or bug report and not about system administration -
should you post to comp.os.linux.misc.


Comments on this posting are welcomed - please email me !
--
Ian Jackson  <ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu>  (urgent email: iwj10@phx.cam.ac.uk)
2 Lexington Close, Cambridge, CB4 3LS, England;  phone: +44 223 64238

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From: jting@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca (Jason Ting)
Subject: Can't print using doc
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 10:59:36 GMT

Dear Linuxers:

I was having a problem here when I tried to print a document inside
Doc (which came with SLS).  The man page said the "print" command
would produce a postscript file with the same file name.  The program
hanged when I tried the above, and no ps files were produced.  What 
gives?  Please reply via email if possible.  Thanks a lot in advance!

-- 
Jason Ting      jting@napier.uwaterloo.ca
"if you don't know exactly why you want NT, you don't want NT."
-> Try Linux (available: wuarchive.wustl.edu, tsx-11.mit.edu, sunsite.unc.edu 
                         and many others)

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From: cdn@control.auc.dk (Claus Dalmose)
Subject: Re: CAS for Linux (was Re: Mathematica for
Date: 20 Jan 1994 09:00:07 GMT
Reply-To: cdn@control.auc.dk

In article 34I@cpp.PHA.PA.US,  cfearnl@cpp.PHA.PA.US (Cristopher J. Fearnley) writes:
>question about the best one for graphics.
>Expires: 
>References: <1994Jan18.012910.843@cathy.ijs.si> <2hgk7n$ona@info2.rus.uni-stuttgart.de> <ARA.94Jan18150531@camelot.ai.mit.edu>
>Sender: cfearnl@cpp.pha.pa.us <Chris Fearnley>
>Followup-To: 
>Distribution: world
>Organization: Critical Path Project, Philadelphia
>Keywords: 
>
>In article <ARA.94Jan18150531@camelot.ai.mit.edu> ara@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Allan Adler) writes:
>>
>>You can use GAP, Macaulay and Jacal on Linux. They are all free.
>
>I got the PARI/gp calculator from megrez.ceremab.u-bordeaux.fr.  It is a very
>nice high precision calculator.  It has more functions than I'll ever need.
>But I haven't used it under X yet, and I'm not sure it can do the graphics
>I need.  I haven't got GAP yet (samson.math.rwth-aachen.de).  Nor MuPAD
>(ftp.uni-paderborn.de:/pub/local/MuPAD).  But what are Macauley and Jacal and
>where are they?  I also hearn of Maxima (supposedly available on sunsite and
>mirrors.  Anyone know which is the best free one in terms of graphics
>capabilities?
>
>>
>>Allan Adler
>>ara@altdorf.ai.mit.edu
>
>Chris Fearnley
>cpp.pha.pa.us
>

Jacal is on prep.ai.mit.edu in /pub/gnu/jacal and probably on other gnu sites.

You might also take a look at /pub/Symbolic_Soft at math.berkeley.edu where several symbolic software packages are 
described.

Have Fun!

Claus.

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From: bcr@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Bill C. Riemers)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: Help Installing Linux!!!
Date: 20 Jan 94 02:42:18 GMT

In article <1994Jan19.052918.12463@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> you write:
>Hello!
>I'm attempting to install Linux on my sytem. I have partitioned of a section 
>of my hard drive (roughly 34Meg). I have generic.exe from sunsite.unc.edu and
>I have a disk with the kernel and stuff on it. However every time I try to 
>get it to install I get the error message of 
>"Kernel panic: unable to access root sector"
>                                ^^^^(boot?)

OK, alittle more information would help here:
  What type of machine are you using?
  How much memory do you have?  CPU?
  At what point do you get this error?
  What size of floppy disk are you using?

>I have tried this both with partition 2 (the one I want it installed to) as 
>the Active partition (Unformatted and DOS formatted), and as the inactive 
>partition (Unformatted and DOS formatted). I read the Docs with generic.exe 
>and it mentions a program (I think it's a DOS one) called "mke2fs" that will

No this is a linux program that is included on the floppy in the directory
/etc/.

>format a drive for Linux. However I'm unable to find this program. 
>sunsite.unc.edu doesn't seem to have it. I REALLY want Linux on my system but 
>I obviously need help. Please help! I've already had to rebuild my hard drive 
>once and I still have my backup, so I'm not worried about that too much. 

To be quite honest, your best bet is to forget generic.exe, and try to use
one of the Slackware installation disks.  I wrote generic.exe as a better
method of installing SLS, but SLS is so old now that I can't recommend
installing it.  The only reason I haven't told sunsite to delete generic.exe
is I still find it very usefull as an emergency recovery disk for when
I do stupid things.

Anyways, I am still curious in trying to figure out why you are getting
a kernel panic, so if you could e-mail me the answer to the above questions
I'll see if that helps me figure out what happened.

                               Bill



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From: gerlek@dis.cse.ogi.edu (Michael Gerlek)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Linus' Box?  (was: Re: What's the *dream* Linux Platform?)
Date: 20 Jan 94 12:37:31 GMT

In article <9401181933.AA10353@fearless.saintjoe.EDU> brianc@fearless.saintjoe.EDU (Brian Capouch) writes:
>
> ...I've never seen a thread dedicated to the determination of 
> just what combination of hardware one could put together to make a Linux
> "dream machine." 

On a tangentially related note, whatever happened to the person who
was trying to collect money to buy Linus a shiny new platform?  There
was an elaborate scheme to filter money through an NY bank acount, as
I recall...

-[mpg]
 gerlek@cse.ogi.edu

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From: bos@surfnet.nl (Erik-Jan Bos)
Subject: IP routing problem in pl14 kernel?
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 12:14:13 GMT

Dear c.o.l.m.,

currently I am running Slackware 1.1.1 (kernel pl14) on my Dell-486D/33.
This box has a 14K4 SLIP connection to the Internet (working great), and
an ethernet connection to my testnet. For this testnet I am using a
dedicated IP (class C) network number and to be able to access the
Internet from the testnet I use my Dell as an IP router.

The IP number I use on my testnet is a class C network number from the
beginning of a range, e.g. x.y.0.0. As soon as I populate the IP routing
table in the Linux box I see that all other C network numbers starting
with x.y.-.- are becoming unreachable (since they are routed on my
ethernet). As soon as I enter a different IP network number on my
ethernet interface (e.g. x.y.140.0) all other x.y.-.- networks on the
Internet are reachable again.

This behaviour looks related to the fact that the third byte of the IP
network number is a "0", which BTW is a valid class C network number, if
I am not mistaken.

Has this behaviour been seen before?

Thanks for any help and your concern in advance.

-- 
Erik-Jan.

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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.amiga.misc,demon.local,connect.chatter,connect.audit
From: kcci1@syma.sussex.ac.uk (Alan Buxey)
Subject: Re: WUARCHIVE LOST :)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 11:17:32 GMT

In article <CJvt14.K4u@ibmpcug.co.uk>, neilm@ibmpcug.co.uk (Neil McRae) writes:
> Hi netters,
> Here is something that I thought served as a good reminder to make regular
> verified backups :)
> Wuarchive the largest ftp site in the world have just announced this
> (ftp.wustl.edu)
> The entire archives were destroyed the afternoon of Thursday, January 13th
> due to a bug in the system crash dump routines.  There have been serious
> problems restoring backups due to a failed tape drive -- we have gotten a
> loaner drive, but there may not be any recent viable backups of the
> archives.
> Translation: everything was lost, the archive maintainers are scrambling
> to find copies of all of the missing files -- it's probable that some
> files were lost permanently.
> Thanks for your patience,
> The Management
> Last I heard that the archive was 16GB's big and is the main mirror for
> most sites! 
> Regards,
> Neil
> neilm@ibmpcug.co.uk  <Messages ONLY:)  Neil J. McRae
> n.mcrae@csu.napier.ac.uk <Anything :)  37 Kingsknowe Road North
> -----------------------------------:)  EDINBURGH EH14 2DE United Kingdom
> I Can't Dance I Can't Talk, The only thing about me is the way that I Walk!

well, unlike your average home-user, wuarchive has mirror-sites
(translation:>23 backups spread throughout the world)

all they have to do is log into src.doc.ic.ac.uk (or another) to copy
the files they have lost.

someone tell the admin of wuarchive to log into this site.

ps tell them to log in as 'anonymous' and send their ID for password ;)

pps this part is all a joke...


alan

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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.programmer
From: root@hip-hop.sbay.org (Remco Treffkorn)
Subject: Re: Any way to watch a tty port?
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 00:42:23 GMT
Reply-To: remco@hip-hop.sbay.org

Scott Barker (barkers@cuug.ab.ca) wrote:
: Is there any way for a program to observe everything which occurs at a tty
: port? I'm trying to figure out how my UPS converses with the supplied UNIX
: SVR4 software, so that I can write my own daemon for it under linux. I need to
: be able to tell how the port is configured, and what signals are passed back
: and forth. I figured that I could set up some sort of pipe to watch data flow,
: but that doesn't help me with the port configuration (ioctl's).

: Any ideas?

: --
: Scott Barker
: barkers@cuug.ab.ca

Get the sysv-init package for linux. It has a daemon for this kind of
stuff (powerd). I had to modify it for my APC UPS, but it was easy.
Look for "sysvinit.tgz".

Remco
-- 

Remco Treffkorn, DC2XT
remco@hip-hop.sbay.org   <<-- REAL reply address !!
(408) 685-1201

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From: root@hip-hop.sbay.org (Remco Treffkorn)
Subject: Re: PS/2 Mouse
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 23:54:57 GMT
Reply-To: remco@hip-hop.sbay.org

Johan Myreen (jem@snakemail.hut.fi) wrote:
: In article <2hfgo5$dhp@nova.umd.edu> mcqueary@nova.umd.edu (Larry McQueary) writes:

: >>i have a logitech mouse connectetd to my ps/2-port -- but it is NOT
: >>working (and i really tried hard, with the help of some of you here in
: >>the net).

: >Add my name to the list.  I have a Packard Bell 386SX with a
: >ps/2 mouse attached to a ps/2 mouse port in the back.

: >HELP!!!


: Here's a checklist for a non-working PS/2 mouse.

: * The kernel should be configured to include the PS/2 mouse driver.
:   The boot message "PS/2 pointing device deteceted..." tells you this;
:   if there is no message, either the driver is not included or it
:   hasn't detected the mouse. The detection logic actually checks for a
:   mouse and not only the mouse port, so a mouse must be plugged in at
:   boot time to be detected.

: * Make sure you have the correct entry in /dev. The standard name for
:   the PS/2 mouse device is /dev/psaux, but various distributions have
:   given it other names like /dev/bmouseps2, /dev/ps2aux, /dev/psmouse
:   etc. The name doesn't actually matter, as long as it is associated
:   with the correct major and minor numbers, which should be 10 and 1.
:   You can check the numbers with 'ls -l /dev'.

: * Next, make sure the mouse responds. Enter the command
:   'od -c /dev/psaux' (or /dev/whatever, see above) and move the mouse.
:   A stream of bytes should be printed on the screen. If you get an
:   error message telling the mouse is busy, make sure you don't have
:   anything else running using the mouse, like selection.

: * To use the mouse with XFree86, edit the mouse entry in Xconfig. A
:   correct entry looks like this:
:   
:   PS/2 "/dev/psaux"

:   Note that the correct mouse keyword is 'PS/2'; do not use 'Logitech'
:   or 'Microsoft' even though your mouse might be sold as a Logitech or
:   Microsoft mouse -- all mice plugged into a PS/2 style mouse port use
:   the same protocol. The Xconfig 'Samplerate' And 'Baudrate' keywords
:   have no meaning with the PS/2 mouse, but you might want to uncomment
:   the 'Emulate3Buttons' keyword if you have a two button mouse.

: * The PS/2 mouse driver has had some bugs, so if you are having
:   problems with your mouse on an older kernel version, you might want
:   to upgrade to a newer kernel.

If all this does not lead to success:

Try to configure the following in:
        C&T 82C710 mouse port support (as on TI Travelmate) y
My PS/2 mouse would then run. 

Remco

: -- 
: Johan Myrien
: jem@cs.hut.fi
: 60 11'55" N, 24 53'30" E
-- 

Remco Treffkorn, DC2XT
remco@hip-hop.sbay.org   <<-- REAL reply address !!
(408) 685-1201

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From: cakmakci@mothra.syr.edu (Ahmet M. Cakmakci)
Subject: GNANS for Linux?
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 94 11:34:26 EST

I have been trying to compile Gnans under Linux. But I guess there is
a lot to be done. I wonder whether there is already a port of Gnans to
Linux. I will appreciate any info.




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From: hjl@nynexst.com (H.J. Lu)
Subject: Re: Archives of Torvalds/Tanenbaum discussion?
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 94 06:33:25 GMT

Gary Shea (shea@hawk.cs.ukans.edu) wrote:
: Did anyone archive the discussion between Linus Torvalds
: and Andrew Tanenbaum that apparently took place as
: Linux was being developed?

: I'm curious what they had to say.

One thing I seem to remember that AST said he would have failed
Linus if Linus had been in his OS class since Linux was not
a microkernel (macrokernel? I always got confused :-(.) OS.


H.J.

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From: plasket@infi.net (Mark Plasket)
Subject: How to handle lzh files?
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 15:08:04 GMT

 I picked up the ingres04 files from sunsite, and they have an lzh 
 extension.  The linux decompression utilities decline to handle it.
 Any ideas as to where to file a Linux utility that will unpack these
 files?  (I already checked elsewhere on sunsite) 

 Much thanks

-- 
73 de Mark 
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Mark M. Plasket                plasket@wyvern.com
N4WQJ                          n4wqj@n4wqj.ampr.org        (AMPRNet)

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Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix
From: mark@taylor.wyvern.com (Mark A. Davis)
Subject: Re: Linux as X-Terminal? No!
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 14:33:13 GMT

byron@cc.gatech.edu (Byron A Jeff) writes:

>In article <14168@dirac.physics.purdue.edu>,
>Bill C. Riemers <bcr@bohr.physics.purdue.edu> wrote:
>>In article <11594@blue.cis.pitt.edu> filip@alpha.smi.med.pitt.edu (Filip Gieszczykiewicz) writes:
>>>In Article <CJFDrw.CJp@world.std.com> thus spoke entropy@world.std.com (Lawrence Foard):

>[Note: This is part of an ongoing discussion in the linux.misc newsgroup.
>       Howevery I'm trying to gather some info about high performance
>       mono X for linux. So I think that the c.w.x.386unix folks should see
>       this. BAJ ]
>OK. This is the niche that I'd like to exploit. Question: what advantage
>would a low-mid end PC running Linux have over an Xterminal?

>Pros
[...]
>Cons
[...]

>Where I work (Clark Atlata University) we are kicking around the idea of
>how to provide X interfaces to the University computer systems. Our 2
>contenders are Xterminals and Linux PC's running X. What I'm trying to
>figure out is the cost of a PC in the same ballpark as the Xterminal.
>Here's the features list and appx cost:

You left out the most important advantages of Xterminals- extremely low
maintenance and administrative costs.  Much lower than a stand-alone Unix
box being used as an Xterminal.

>As for the rest of the video, is there anyway to get high performance
>X in monochrome. All the 100,000+ xstone machines I've seen are using
>accelerators and color. Is there anyway this can be done for mono/greyscale?

I have seen decent Linux Xfree performance using S3 video cards.

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