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Date:     Fri, 7 Jan 94 07:13:06 EST
Subject:  Linux-Misc Digest #513

Linux-Misc Digest #513, Volume #1                 Fri, 7 Jan 94 07:13:06 EST

Contents:
  Re: undeclared constants in util-linux-1.1 (Michael Riepe)
  Slackware by Satanists? (Garry Lester Freemyer)
  Re: Slackware by Satanists? (Armand)
  Re: Slackware by Satanists? (Keith Moore)
  Re: Slackware by Satanists? (Chuck Fee)
  Trademark status of Linux (Russell Nelson)
  Re: ISO character set? (Harald T. Alvestrand)
  Re: New 3D-Logo for Linux (Peter Brouwer)
  Re: ctwm for linux? (Mitchum DSouza)
  Linux gdb has a serious bug! (Frank Lofaro)
  Re: Logic Simulator (Frank Lofaro)
  *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07) (Ian Jackson)
  Re: Slackware by Satanists? (John Waterson)
  Re: CD-ROM distributions and the GPL (Joost Helberg)
  Re: I will move the discussion about Wangtek 6200HS drive ( Volker A. Brandt)

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From: riepe@ifwsn4.ifw.uni-hannover.de (Michael Riepe)
Subject: Re: undeclared constants in util-linux-1.1
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 1994 04:03:06 GMT

Thomas Mechtersheimer (thomasm@mechti.wupper.de) wrote:
: Hi !
: 
: As I tried to compile the util-linux-1.1 package from the source, I got the
: following errors:
: [...]
: more.c: In function `search':
: more.c:1363: `STDIO_S_EOF_SEEN' undeclared (first use this function)

In libc-4.5.8, this is called _IO_EOF_SEEN, i think.

: [...]
: and
: [...]
: setserial.c: `ASYNC_HUP_NOTIFY' undeclared here (not in a function)
: [...]

I didn't see that one, but I used 0.99.14f. Should be in <linux/tty.h>.

: They are not declared in the util package, and I couldn't find these symbols
: in any of the /usr/include/ files...
: 
: What am I doing wrong ?
: 
: btw: I'm using kernel-0.99pl14, libc-4.5.8, gcc-2.5.7

There are even some more problems - mount dumped core when I tried to
remount my root partition, and syslogd produced lots of `loose cannon'
messages. The patch below should fix these problems.

===== cut here =====
diff -ru Orig/more.c util-linux-1.1/more.c
--- Orig/more.c Sat Dec 26 20:45:09 1992
+++ util-linux-1.1/more.c       Wed Jan  5 06:18:18 1994
@@ -1360,7 +1360,7 @@
     }
     if (feof (file)) {
        if (!no_intty) {
-           file->_flags &= ~STDIO_S_EOF_SEEN; /* why doesn't fseek do this ??!!??! */
+           file->_flags &= ~_IO_EOF_SEEN; /* why doesn't fseek do this ??!!??! */
            Currline = saveln;
            Fseek (file, startline);
        }
diff -ru Orig/mount/sundries.c util-linux-1.1/mount/sundries.c
--- Orig/mount/sundries.c       Sun Nov 21 21:24:20 1993
+++ util-linux-1.1/mount/sundries.c     Wed Jan  5 06:18:18 1994
@@ -191,16 +191,20 @@
 getmntfile (const char *file)
 {
   struct mntent *mnt;
+  FILE *F_local;
 
-  rewind(F_mtab);
+  if ((F_local = setmntent (MOUNTED, "r")) == NULL)
+    die (2, "can't open %s: %s", MOUNTED, strerror (errno));
 
-  while ((mnt = getmntent (F_mtab)) != NULL)
+  while ((mnt = getmntent (F_local)) != NULL)
     {
       if (streq (mnt->mnt_dir, file))
        break;
       if (streq (mnt->mnt_fsname, file))
        break;
     }
+
+  endmntent (F_local);
 
   return mnt;
 }
diff -ru Orig/syslogd/syslogd.c util-linux-1.1/syslogd/syslogd.c
--- Orig/syslogd/syslogd.c      Wed Dec  1 04:31:14 1993
+++ util-linux-1.1/syslogd/syslogd.c    Wed Jan  5 07:15:47 1994
@@ -423,7 +423,7 @@
                        }
                 }
                /* Recv from existing connections. */
-               for (fd = 0; nfds > 0 && i < FD_SETSIZE; fd++) {
+               for (fd = 0; nfds > 0 && fd < FD_SETSIZE; fd++) {
                        if (FD_ISSET(fd, &unixm) && FD_ISSET(fd, &readfds)) {
                                nfds--;
                                dprintf("message from stream (%d)\n", fd);
===== cut here =====

Ciao!
--
 Michael Riepe               <riepe@ifwsn4.ifw.uni-hannover.de>
 Universit"at Hannover
 Institut f"ur Fertigungstechnik und Spanende Werkzeugmaschinen
 Schlosswender Str. 5                  30159 Hannover (Germany)
 ... beware the storm that gathers here ("The Prophet's Song")

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From: garryf@ecst.csuchico.edu (Garry Lester Freemyer)
Subject: Slackware by Satanists?
Date: 7 Jan 1994 06:51:37 GMT

I have just heard from a friend of mine that has just read a bunch of messages
claiming that Slackware 1.1.1 was put together by "Wicca's" (Satanists) 
He claims that several different sources have claimed this and that even
the prodigy organization has posted a message about it. Frankly I think
this is all a bunch of hoey and would very much like to hear any comments about
this. Several of the people locally here that I have helped get slackware
1.1.1 are jumping on the bandwagon and dumping their Linux stuff off their
machines because of this and the claim that it flashes subliminal messages. 

It doesn't help that by default the three sample users created by the install
program just happened to be named "Satan, Gonzo, Snake-Pit" I would like
to disuade them from deleting it but I cannot do that (I've tried) without
proof that this is the hoax I think it is.

Believe me this is a serious message and I'm not making this stupid thing up
about the locals destroying their copies of Linux Slackware 1.1.1

Send mail to garryf@ecst.csuchico.edu

All replies will be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

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From: armand@cats.ucsc.edu (Armand)
Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
Date: 7 Jan 1994 06:57:50 GMT


In article <2gj0ppINN7sk@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu>,
Garry Lester Freemyer <garryf@ecst.csuchico.edu> wrote:
>I have just heard from a friend of mine that has just read a bunch of messages
>claiming that Slackware 1.1.1 was put together by "Wicca's" (Satanists) 

wicca is a pagan organization that dealls with alternative ways od
living and leading ones own life, yes there are many things that arent
considered 'acceptable
 by christian society, but wicca is anything but a group of satanists.
in fact that claim is so far from the truth that is amuses me. i'm not
involved with wicca at this time, but i have been in the past and i
resent that a bit. sorry, but whoever started that rumor should atleast
research their false claims before making them. they are making themselves
appear foolish. to say that  slackware was put together by a bunch of
witches is more accurate (although i wasnt aware of wiccan involvement with
slackware). 

if you are interested in wicca, try some books by scott cunningham,
or drop in on the irc channel #wicca




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From: moore@cs.utk.edu (Keith Moore)
Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
Date: 7 Jan 1994 07:09:02 GMT
Reply-To: moore@cs.utk.edu

In article <2gj0ppINN7sk@charnel.ecst.csuchico.edu>, garryf@ecst.csuchico.edu (Garry Lester Freemyer) writes:
> I have just heard from a friend of mine that has just read a bunch of 
> messages claiming that Slackware 1.1.1 was put together by "Wicca's"
> (Satanists) He claims that several different sources have claimed this 
> and that even the prodigy organization has posted a message about it. 
> [ ... ]
> Several of the people locally here that I have helped get slackware
> 1.1.1 are jumping on the bandwagon and dumping their Linux stuff off their
> machines because of this and the claim that it flashes subliminal messages.

Well, I can't speak for the people who produced slackware, and I
really don't care what their religion is.  (Not sure, but I don't
think Wiccans are Satanists either...someone correct me if I'm wrong.)
And I certainly wouldn't trust the so-called "prodigy organization"
(or any subscriber thereof) as an authority on such things.

As for people deleting slackware off of their systems...well, people
who will put more faith in rumors than in their own ability to observe
and experience ... are probably going to lose in one way or another.

(heck, you can paw through the *source code* if you want to know about
subliminal messages...)

--
Keith Moore / U.Tenn CS Dept / 107 Ayres Hall / Knoxville TN  37996-1301
Internet: moore@cs.utk.edu      BITNET: moore@utkvx
The Secretary will disavow any knowledge of my actions.

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From: fee@cxf111.rh.psu.edu (Chuck Fee)
Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
Date: 7 Jan 1994 07:25:23 GMT

Garry Lester Freemyer (garryf@ecst.csuchico.edu) wrote:
: I have just heard from a friend of mine that has just read a bunch of messages
: claiming that Slackware 1.1.1 was put together by "Wicca's" (Satanists) 
: He claims that several different sources have claimed this and that even
: the prodigy organization has posted a message about it. Frankly I think
: this is all a bunch of hoey and would very much like to hear any comments about
: this. Several of the people locally here that I have helped get slackware
: 1.1.1 are jumping on the bandwagon and dumping their Linux stuff off their
: machines because of this and the claim that it flashes subliminal messages. 

This is perhaps the most ridiculous thing I've ever read. Pat Volkerding
is a really nice guy and my best guess is that the worst thing that he is
is a deadhead :-) 

Anyone who believes that Slackware flashes satanic subliminal
messages should have themselves checked into a psychiatric ward at
their nearest hospital.

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From: nelson@crynwr.com (Russell Nelson)
Subject: Trademark status of Linux
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 94 05:28:05 GMT

I talked to Linus a while back about trademarking "Linux".  He
demurred.  There is little point to registering Linux as a trademark,
because once you do that, you have to protect it, and Linus isn't
interested in doing that.  However, Linus Torvalds is the only person
in the world who has the right to use Linux as a trademark (under US
Law), based on my reading of the USPTO's trademark instructions.

-russ <nelson@crynwr.com>      ftp.msen.com:pub/vendor/crynwr/crynwr.wav
Crynwr Software   | Crynwr Software sells packet driver support.
11 Grant St.      | +1 315 268 1925 (9201 FAX)    | Quakers do it in the light
Potsdam, NY 13676 | LPF member - ask me about the harm software patents do.

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From: hta@uninett.no (Harald T. Alvestrand)
Subject: Re: ISO character set?
Date: 7 Jan 1994 08:06:50 GMT

PLEASE remember that there is no such thing as "the PC character set".
There are about a dozen, of which code pages 435 (standard), 850
(international) and 865 (Scandinavian with line graphics) are among
the most popular around here (Norway).


-- 
                   Harald Tveit Alvestrand
                Harald.T.Alvestrand@uninett.no
      G=Harald;I=T;S=Alvestrand;O=uninett;P=uninett;C=no
                      +47 73 59 70 94
My son's name is Torbjrn. The letter between "j" and "r" is o with a slash.

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From: pb@idca.tds.philips.nl (Peter Brouwer)
Subject: Re: New 3D-Logo for Linux
Date: 7 Jan 94 08:07:03 GMT
Reply-To: pb@idca.tds.philips.nl (Peter Brouwer)

In <oh=5iFC00VR540fCdm@andrew.cmu.edu> geek+@CMU.EDU (Brian E. Gallew) writes:

>ras@csn.org (Roger Spaulding) writes:
>>         Is there any way to make it work with xgifroot?  This
>>         program complains that the image is "not a GIF file".

>xv -root -quit -maxpect 3d_logo.gif

or

xloadimage -onroot -full -fullscreen 3d_logo.gif.


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From: Mitchum DSouza <m.dsouza@mrc-apu.cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: ctwm for linux?
Date: 7 Jan 1994 04:56:09 -0500
Reply-To: m.dsouza@mrc-apu.cam.ac.uk

Wilfred Mollenvanger:
| 
| Has ctwm been ported to Linux already?
| 

Sure has.
        sunsite.unc.edu /pub/Linux/X11/window-managers/ctwm-3.0.tar.gz

But `ported' is not the word to use here as it compiles out-of-the-box. I think
the word to use is `pre-compiled'

Mitch

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From: ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro)
Subject: Linux gdb has a serious bug!
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 94 09:45:48 GMT

        The gdb on linux has a serious bug! I have had this bug with
both 4.8 and 4.11 versions of linux gdb. I compiled the 4.11 version
myself from prep.ai.mit.edu!  (./configure and make, it detected
linux, etc perfectly). The gdb 4.10 (sunos) on the university system
here does not have the problem.

        The problem is this. If you are debugging a core file, and try
to change _ANY_ variable, it complains that it cannot access memory at
address 0x(hex number). The hex number it returns is equal to what
print &varname returns. Yes I did remember to set write on before
issuing the core corefile directive. It did not help at all. Here are
two scripts I ran, the first at UNLV with gdb 4.10 (sunos) which
worked, the second at home gdb 4.11 (linux) compiled by me. The core
files are always writable by me as far as file permissions go. Also,
strace on the linux box reveals the core file is being opened read/write.

        Why would I want to write core files? Because if I can get it
to work, I'd make /proc/kcore writable and using a -g compiled kernel
and gdb on tools/zSystem and /proc/kcore one could examine and
_modify_ kernel variables. I can only do read-only access otherwise. I
have been doing lseeks and writes to the appropriate part of
/dev/kmem, but that is nowhere as nice as being able to use gdb for
it.

        Is the bug due to limited linux mmap()? Can it be fixed/worked
around if so?

        In any event, set write on is supposed to turn on writing into
both executable and core files as needed.

GDB 4.10 (sunos):

Script started on Fri Jan  7 01:17:12 1994
warning: could not update utmp entry
75: 01:17:14: ~/src: sonny-boy% cat foo.c
#include <stdio.h>
main() {
        struct {
                int blah;
                int urk;
        } foo;
        char *hose;
        foo.urk=25;
        printf("%d\n", foo.urk);
        hose=0;
        *hose=0;
}
76: 01:17:19: ~/src: sonny-boy% gcc -g foo.c
77: 01:17:30: ~/src: sonny-boy% ./a.out
25
Segmentation fault (core dumped)
78: 01:17:35: ~/src: sonny-boy% gdb ./a.out
GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it
 under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for details.
GDB 4.10 (sparc-sun-sunos4.1.1), 
Copyright 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc...
gdb> set write on
gdb> core ./core
Core was generated by `a.out'.
Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libc.so.1.6.3...done.
#0  0x22c4 in main () at foo.c:11
11              *hose=0;
gdb> print foo.urk
$1 = 25
gdb> print foo.urk=4
$2 = 4
gdb> 79: 01:18:12: ~/src: sonny-boy% gdb ./a.out ./core
GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it
 under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for details.
GDB 4.10 (sparc-sun-sunos4.1.1), 
Copyright 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc...
Core was generated by `a.out'.
Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault.
Reading symbols from /usr/lib/libc.so.1.6.3...done.
#0  0x22c4 in main () at foo.c:11
11              *hose=0;
gdb> print foo.urk
$1 = 4
gdb> 80: 01:18:22: ~/src: sonny-boy% exit

script done on Fri Jan  7 01:18:24 1994

GDB 4.11 (linux) BROKEN! Note the "Cannot access memory..."

Script started on Fri Jan  7 01:20:25 1994
131: 01:20:25: ~/src: whitney$ cat foo.c
#include <stdio.h>
main() {
        struct {
                int blah;
                int urk;
        } foo;
        char *hose;
        foo.urk=25;
        printf("%d\n", foo.urk);
        hose=0;
        *hose=0;
}
132: 01:20:35: ~/src: whitney$ gcc -g foo.c
133: 01:20:41: ~/src: whitney$ ./a.out
25
Segmentation fault (core dumped)
134: 01:20:45: ~/src: whitney$ gdb ./a.out
GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it
 under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for details.
GDB 4.11 (i486-unknown-linux), Copyright 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc...
gdb> set write on
gdb> core ./core.a.out
Core was generated by `a.out'.
#0  0x91 in main () at foo.c:11
11              *hose=0;
gdb> print foo.urk
$1 = 25
gdb> print foo.urk=4
Cannot access memory at address 0xbffffd70.
gdb> print &foo.urk
$2 = (int *) 0xbffffd70
gdb> 135: 01:21:29: ~/src: whitney$ gdb ./a.out ./core.a.out
GDB is free software and you are welcome to distribute copies of it
 under certain conditions; type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB; type "show warranty" for details.
GDB 4.11 (i486-unknown-linux), Copyright 1993 Free Software Foundation, Inc...
Core was generated by `a.out'.
#0  0x91 in main () at foo.c:11
11              *hose=0;
gdb> print foo.urk
$1 = 25
gdb> 136: 01:21:37: ~/src: whitney$ Use "exit" to leave the shell.
136: 01:21:38: ~/src: whitney$ Use "exit" to leave the shell.
136: 01:21:40: ~/src: whitney$ Use "exit" to leave the shell.
136: 01:21:40: ~/src: whitney$ Use "exit" to leave the shell.
136: 01:21:41: ~/src: whitney$ Use "exit" to leave the shell.
136: 01:21:41: ~/src: whitney$ Use "exit" to leave the shell.
136: 01:21:41: ~/src: whitney$ Use "exit" to leave the shell.
136: 01:21:41: ~/src: whitney$ Use "exit" to leave the shell.
136: 01:21:41: ~/src: whitney$ Use "exit" to leave the shell.
136: 01:21:42: ~/src: whitney$ Use "exit" to leave the shell.
136: 01:21:42: ~/src: whitney$ exit

Script done on Fri Jan  7 01:21:43 1994

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From: ftlofaro@unlv.edu (Frank Lofaro)
Subject: Re: Logic Simulator
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 94 10:34:49 GMT

In article <2ghiau$l4p@clarknet.clark.net> davis@clark.net (John F. Davis) writes:
>Anybody know of a logic simulator for Linux?  When I was at N.C. State, some
>students wrote an application that ran in Motif, but I'm sure if anything 
>like that is available for Linux.  Replt to davis@clark.net

I am very interested also. Perhaps it would be a good idea to also post the 
info, that seems helpful.


------------------------------

From: ijackson@nyx.cs.du.edu (Ian Jackson)
Subject: *** PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE POSTING *** (misc-2.07)
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 1994 11:03:01 GMT

Please do not post questions to comp.os.linux.misc - read on for details of
which groups you should read and post to.

Please do not crosspost anything between different groups of the comp.os.linux
hierarchy.  See Matt Welsh's introduction to the hierarchy, posted weekly.

If you have a question about Linux you should get and read the Linux Frequently
Asked Questions with Answers list from sunsite.unc.edu, in /pub/Linux/docs, or
from another Linux FTP site.  It is also posted periodically to c.o.l.announce.

In particular, read the question `You still haven't answered my question!'
The FAQ will refer you to the Linux HOWTOs (more detailed descriptions of
particular topics) found in the HOWTO directory in the same place.

Then you should consider posting to comp.os.linux.help - not
comp.os.linux.misc.

Note that X Windows related questions should go to comp.windows.x.i386unix, and
that non-Linux-specific Unix questions should go to comp.unix.questions.
Please read the FAQs for these groups before posting - look on rtfm.mit.edu in
/pub/usenet/news.answers/Intel-Unix-X-faq and .../unix-faq.

Only if you have a posting that is not more appropriate for one of the other
Linux groups - ie it is not a question, not about the future development of
Linux, not an announcement or bug report and not about system administration -
should you post to comp.os.linux.misc.


Comments on this posting are welcomed - please email me !
--
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From: watersoj@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (John Waterson)
Subject: Re: Slackware by Satanists?
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 1994 11:45:54 GMT

garryf@ecst.csuchico.edu (Garry Lester Freemyer) writes:

> I have just heard from a friend of mine that has just read a bunch
> of messages claiming that Slackware 1.1.1 was put together by
> "Wicca's" (Satanists).

Your friend's name wouldn't be Peter McDonald by any chance?

:-)

John.

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From: jhelberg@nlsun8.oracle.nl (Joost Helberg)
Subject: Re: CD-ROM distributions and the GPL
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 1994 11:12:07 GMT

In article <CJ7rJ1.n50@madhouse.demon.co.uk> andy@madhouse.demon.co.uk (Andrew Bray) writes:
   In article <JHELBERG.94Jan5120223@nlsun8.oracle.nl> Joost Helberg writes:
   >Hans Oey (hans@mo.hobby.nl) and I (joost@mo.hobby.nl) released a CD 
   >last november: SNOW 2.0 Beta.
   >
   >The CD contains 140 MB installed Linux and 520 MB sources.
   >
   >The sources are in their original form (as available on ftp-sites) and
   >seperate patch files are available to patch the source up to a level
   >that compiles/loads and installs correctly on SNOW 2.0.
   >
   >In fact: all binaries on the CD are generated using the source tree on the
   >CD (it takes 12-13 hours on a 486 66Mhz).

   Can any of the other Linux CD ROM distributions make this claim?

   If not, can anyone answer me these questions about SNOW:

   1) Does it include X windows?
yes, and TeX3.141 babel, emacs19.19, gcc2.5.2 and a lot more.

   2) Is it available in the UK?
not really, but try the above mentioned mail-addresses

   3) How much does it cost?
f 50,-- (approx. $ 27.--) for CD-ROM + boot-root floppy.
--
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   jhelberg@oracle.nl                         NL-3454 PV De Meern
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   Phone: +31 3406 94211                      Fax:   +31 3406 65609

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From: volker@sfb256.iam.uni-bonn.de ( Volker A. Brandt )
Crossposted-To: comp.periphs.scsi
Subject: Re: I will move the discussion about Wangtek 6200HS drive
Date: 7 Jan 1994 12:04:52 GMT

Sorry for jumping into this, I just can't help myself.

In article <triant.757303609@icarus.montclair.edu> triant@icarus.montclair.edu (Constantine Triantafillou) writes:
>our group. The terroristic attidutes of some people, in those 2 newsgroups
                ^^^^^^^^^^^

>*"HELLAS=Science,Arts,Civilization,Democracy"                     *

HELLAS="Assistant to Serb terrorists; biggest net EC sucker; environment 
        killer; bureaucracy state"

Need proof?  Watch the news.

Note the followup.


Angered -- Volker



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Phone/FAX: +49 228 63 36 84                            (Bonn, Germany)

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