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Subject:  Linux-Development Digest #698

Linux-Development Digest #698, Volume #1          Sat, 7 May 94 07:13:06 EDT

Contents:
  Re: SLIP: Dial on demand? Auto hangup? (Dave Thomas)
  Re: BogoMips 7.?? on 386/40 (Ken Pizzini)
  Pro Audio Spectrum 16 on Linux (PUXTY Chris)
  Raw Keyboard IO (Michael Morrison)
  New Kernel announcements (lilo)
  Re: [Announcement] 386BSD Release 1.0 (Jean Cyr)
  Re: [Announcement] 386BSD Release 1.0 (Amancio Hasty Jr)
  Re: PCI bus and ATI Graphics Pro Turbo support? (Michael Will)
  Re: setlocale() for iso_8859_1 -- configuration? (H. Peter Anvin N9ITP)
  Re: Linux 1.1.11 Warning with route. (lcvanveen@et.tudelft.nl)
  Re: Problems with Adaptec 1542C? (Owen Robert Tudor Williams)
  Re: XFree86(tm)-2.1: xdm sabotage possible (Michael Will)
  Re: Linux, GPL and software development ??? (Jim Lynch)
  WINE gotta have it (please!!!) (Billy N. Patton)
  Re: [Announcement] 386BSD Release 1.0 (Mark Newton)
  Re: Linux 1.0.8 SLOWER than .99pl13 !! (antony)
  Re: Patch????? (antony)

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From: dave@thomases.demon.co.uk (Dave Thomas)
Subject: Re: SLIP: Dial on demand? Auto hangup?
Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 06:33:23 +0000


---->"GM" == Greg McGary <gkm@tmn.com> writes:

  GM> The current user-interface for SLIP sucks.  When I want to
  GM> use some internet service across a point-to-point serial
  GM> link, I must first manually setup the SLIP interface using
  GM> dip(1), or whatever, use the service, then manually tear
  GM> down the SLIP link when I'm done.  Just now, I discovered
  GM> that I had forgotten to terminate dip, which faithfully
  GM> held open a long-distance line for over four hours!
  GM> GGGRRRRR!!!

I've good news on the second problem. I use a simple little
program called slip_idle:

 *
 * Program to monitor the usage of the slip interface "IFNAME", and when it has been idle 
 * for "TIMEOUT" seconds, locate and kill the process named "DIP" which will close down 
 * "IFNAME".
 * 
 * This program requires Linux 0.99pl10 (I'm using the release version from nic.funet.fi).
 * Also the /proc filesystem must be mounted.
 * 
 * Use this program at *your* own risk, while it works for me and takes the slip link down
 * after 180 seconds of inactivity, it may not for you. If this program fails to stop your
 * slip link, and you end up spending mega bucks on your phone bill, then tough, thats your
 * problem not mine! 
 *
 * As to how to use this program. Simple, just change the defines above to reflect your slip
 * interface and your required timeout in seconds, then compile it. Then place it at the end
 * script file you use to start your slip link. The line below is an example of what to how 
 * execute it.
 *
 *      /etc/slip_idle &
 *
 * Martin White - martin@pandora.demon.co.uk
 * 13th June 1993
 * 
 * Karl London - karl@borg.demon.co.uk
 * 21/7/93 Modified instructions for the Demon Help package!
 *

You can get it from ftp.demon.co.uk in `Demon.help.tar.gz.v2'

Regards

Dave
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From: ken@coho.halcyon.com (Ken Pizzini)
Subject: Re: BogoMips 7.?? on 386/40
Date: 6 May 1994 13:48:52 GMT

In article <940504156@loreli.ftl.fl.us>,
Sean Puckett <nate@loreli.ftl.fl.us> wrote:
>In the scrolls of comp.os.linux.development, HARADA Koichi (HAR) enscribed,
>HAR> Leander Jedamus (jedamus@nibelung.Worms.Fh-Rpl.DE) wrote:
>HAR> > Can anybody tell me if the above value is correct for my 386 ?
>HAR> 
>HAR> My machine gives 6.60-6.65, with 386DX-40, 16MB, w/o copro.
>
>I got, what, 7.2.  Same stats as Koichi.  6-7ish is good for 386/40.  My 
>486/33 gets about 16 and pennies.

As another data point, I get a consistent 7.98 on my 386/40 (16 MB,
Cyrix coprocessor, forgotten cache size).

                --Ken Pizzini

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From: c9037410@mystra.newcastle.edu.au (PUXTY Chris)
Subject: Pro Audio Spectrum 16 on Linux
Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 01:26:19 GMT



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From: morrison@ccad.uiowa.edu (Michael Morrison)
Subject: Raw Keyboard IO
Date: 6 May 1994 12:25:00 -0500

What is the "correct" method for using the keyboard input after doing a
KDSKBMODE, K_MEDIUMRAW?  I am assuming that I need to somehow parse the
/etc/keyboards/us.map and use this as the output codes?  If this is the 
case, then is there a way to tell what keyboard map has been loaded, or an
easy way to get raw+cooked keys?   I need to be able to tell when the alt/
shift/ctrl keys have changed state.

I want this program to work in all countries, so I am attempting to do the
"right thing".


-- 
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  Software Engineer       
  Iowa Driving Simulator     Linux: The choice of a GNU Generation.
  University of Iowa         Long Live the Amiga!

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From: lilo@slip-6-1 (lilo)
Subject: New Kernel announcements
Date: 7 May 1994 00:51:27 GMT

On 6 May 1994 16:38:10 GMT, Michael Griffith (grif@tempest.ucr.edu) wrote:

> That might be nice, but the patch file is its own documentation. 

Yes, but it's just not *good* documentation.

> You can read the patch file to see what is changed.

And, if you happen to be an expert on the entire kernel, you will know, if
you've kept up with all the changes in all the recent patchlevels ;)


lilo

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From: jcyr@bnr.ca (Jean Cyr)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.programmer.misc,comp.os.minix,comp.os.mach,comp.periphs,comp.unix.bsd,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.os.386bsd.development,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc
Subject: Re: [Announcement] 386BSD Release 1.0
Date: 6 May 1994 17:49:45 GMT

In article <newcombe.142.00141E4A@aa.csc.peachnet.edu>, newcombe@aa.csc.peachnet.edu (Dan Newcombe) writes:
|> In article <hastyCpCLny.5q8@netcom.com> hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) writes:
|> >I think that the linux crowd has had the capability of booting from a
|> >CDROM for quite some time...
|> 
|> I think you missed the point.  The idea was you plop the CD in the drive, and 
|> boot from that - not from the hard drive - not from a floppy drive, purely 
|> from the CD drive.
|> 
|> --
|> Dan Newcombe                    newcombe@aa.csc.peachnet.edu
|> Clayton State College           Morrow, Georgia
|> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
|> "And the man in the mirror has sad eyes."       -Marillion

Can't be done. The initial boot stage (reading the boot sector and jumping to it)
is handled by your machine's BIOS rom. Currently all BIOS that I've seen look
for boot sectors on floppy and hard disk. They never look for CD. How could they ?
There's no BIOS support for CD.

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.programmer.misc,comp.os.minix,comp.os.mach,comp.periphs,comp.unix.bsd,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.os.386bsd.development,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc
From: hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr)
Subject: Re: [Announcement] 386BSD Release 1.0
Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 17:40:37 GMT

In article <newcombe.142.00141E4A@aa.csc.peachnet.edu> newcombe@aa.csc.peachnet.edu (Dan Newcombe) writes:
>In article <hastyCpCLny.5q8@netcom.com> hasty@netcom.com (Amancio Hasty Jr) writes:
>>I think that the linux crowd has had the capability of booting from a
>>CDROM for quite some time...
>
>I think you missed the point.  The idea was you plop the CD in the drive, and 
>boot from that - not from the hard drive - not from a floppy drive, purely 
>from the CD drive.
>
Hmmm..  I failed to see how I missed the point here. I err 
in that I misread previous Linux postings claiming that 
they could boot from a CDROM. And as stated in a previous postings
the magic of booting from a CDROM or from *any* scsi device is in 
the host adapter BIOS being able to read the bootsector from 
the drive. 

BTW: I have a toshiba cdrom drive and have installed *bsd numerous
times and I can really appreciate the ability to boot straight
from a CDROM and not have to do deal with floppies.

Amancio


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at  freebsd.cdrom.com:/pub/FreeBSD
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Home: (415) 495-3046       |  
e-mail hasty@netcom.com    |  ftp-site depository of all my work:    
                           |  sunvis.rtpnc.epa.gov:/pub/386bsd/X

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From: zxmgv07@studserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Michael Will)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: PCI bus and ATI Graphics Pro Turbo support?
Date: 5 May 94 07:13:39 GMT

In <2q63vh$f5m@lace.Colorado.EDU> drew@frisbee.cs.Colorado.EDU (Drew Eckhardt) writes:
>>      Are there any other recommended PCI bus video cards?

>The #9 XGE Level 12 PCI board from DELL. S3928, 2M VRAM, 1M DRAM, 
>$350.
Are you shure this one works? I have heard of some people having problems
with it in the higher resoltions.

I know that the ATI-GUP is very good, and it has not got the problem 
the saturn chipset revision 2 have with S3-928-videocards at bursts. 
(No problem with the mercury-chipset as far as I know.)

Cheers, Michael Will

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From: hpa@ahab.eecs.nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin N9ITP)
Subject: Re: setlocale() for iso_8859_1 -- configuration?
Reply-To: hpa@nwu.edu (H. Peter Anvin)
Date: Sat, 7 May 1994 01:37:03 GMT

Followup to:  <2qdus9$kj7@news.uni-c.dk>
By author:    pd@kubism.ku.dk (Peter Dalgaard SFE)
In newsgroup: comp.os.linux.development
>
> Situation: Elm won't print Danish characters. Nuisance!
> This should work after setting LC_CTYPE to iso_8859_1 in
> the environment. Does not.

Not.  Elm uses its own character set.  You need to set
"displaycharset" to ISO-8859-1 in order to print Latin-1.

        /hpa


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From: lcvanveen@et.tudelft.nl
Subject: Re: Linux 1.1.11 Warning with route.
Date: 5 May 94 09:19:36 +0200

In article <2q7q29$8q0@vishnu.jussieu.fr>, frederic@swinglptl.jussieu.fr (Frederic POTTER) writes:
> Linux 1.1.11 emits a warning when executing 'route' command in
> my rc.inet1.
> 
> something like 'old method'
> 
> 
> It didn't emit that warning with kernel 1.0.
> 
> does it have something to do with NET3 and NET2 code ??
Yes, the routing error is new under the 1.1.xx kernel. It has to do
with the net-3 stuff being build into Linux. The exact error is:
"obsolete routing request made". For some reason this routing
request isn't as obsolete as one might hope. Leave the requests
out and you end up with an unreachable network. Don't worry though,
apart from these warnings kernel 1.1.11 is running smoothly on
two machines here, aspecially with the ide-patch hacked into the
kernel. Also there's a nice performance upgrade for sbpcd users
that found it's way into the 1.1.xx code. Don't ask at what patch
it came in, but it works fine too.
Hope this helped,
Martijn.

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From: owilliam@acs.ucalgary.ca (Owen Robert Tudor Williams)
Subject: Re: Problems with Adaptec 1542C?
Date: Wed, 4 May 1994 18:05:13 GMT

In article <2q7jf6$ob5@gap.cco.caltech.edu> nyet@linuxftp.caltech.edu (nye) writes:
>remco@emc.rvt.com (Remco Treffkorn) writes:
>
>>Stephen McGregory (stevemc@austin.ibm.com) wrote:
>
>>: Has anyone been able to install Linux 0.99 on a Machine which had more than
>>: 16 MB of RAM, a Adaptec 1542C SCSI Controller?  I have a Texel CD-ROM, Quantum
>>: HD.  I continue to get only so far in the install, and I get the error
>>: "SCSI 0 TIMEOUT ABORTING COMMAND" twice and all is crap!  It seems to be 
>>: trying to access the CD-ROM Drive.  Any ideas?  Or anyone have the number
>>: to Yggrasil, that is where I got it and have mis-placed the number?
>
>>It would have helped to tell us the version of the Texel firmware.
>>Anything before 1.11 created the same problem here, the older the
>>worse. Call Texel tech support and ask for an upgrade...
>
>>This is not a 16Mb problem, nor a 1542 controller bug. Geting Linux
>>v.1.0 would be a good idea, although will probably not help with the
>>SCSI timeouts.
>
>I've been having scsi timeouts and sense key hardware errors ever since I
>got my Micropolis 1.7g and AHA1542CF. This is pretty much for all of late .99,
>1.0.whatever all the way up to now with 1.1.10. They ALWAYS occur after large
>continuous reads or writes, even under (gasp) dos (very occasionally).
>
>Some stats:
>AMD 486DX2-66 VLB
>AHA 1542CF ISA
>j-random› LB ide/io  with ide and floppy disabled
>ATI GUP 2M-VRAM VLB
>
>And i've tried all combinations of internal/external termination on both ends,
>and tried with and without FAST SCSI, slowed my ISA bus down to clk/6, etc.
>
>Note that I did have heat related problems when I first got the thing - don't
>ask how I got rid of them (maybe I did'nt get rid of them all yet..)
>

Well I am no guru but I have the LGX release (and am upgrading)
My hardware is a Micropolis 1.7 Gb and Adaptec 1542CF ISA, a
Texel CD Drive internal (DM-3024). No Problems.
However you really need to readjust the SCSI contoller EEPROM
settings at bootup (with out turning the system off and on again
I cant be exact) But there is a softswitch to change. No work
early on, change yes work.  There was a thread on this several
months ago if I am not mistaken.

Best of Luck.

Owen


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From: zxmgv07@studserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Michael Will)
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.i386unix
Subject: Re: XFree86(tm)-2.1: xdm sabotage possible
Date: 5 May 94 07:43:48 GMT

but since /tmp/.X11-unix is still rwxrwxrwx anyone can remove the pipe.

I guess I will put a chmod 1777 /tmp/.X11-unix in my bootscript :-)

Cheers, Michael Will

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
From: jimlynch@netcom.com (Jim Lynch)
Subject: Re: Linux, GPL and software development ???
Date: Thu, 5 May 1994 07:57:20 GMT

In article <CotzIp.33t@nntpa.cb.att.com>,
Dan Rubin <rubin@baseworx.att.com> wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>After reading through my first Linux Journal and the article on GNU and the
>General Public License I have a question?  Linux is covered under the GPL
>and so are many of the tools that run under Linux.  Does this mean that if
>I developed a very useful tool under Linux I cannot sell it?  That is hard
>to swallow in a free market if that is indeed the case.  Maybe the OS itself
>is free, but what incentive is anyone going to have to design tools or even
>build an application for a customer around Linux if you cannot turn a profit.
>I hope I am missing something...
>
>       - Dan
>-- 
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> (614) 860-6487                               Go Bucks  _/_/_/_/  _/_/_/_/

I think it's time you read the General Public License... C'mon, you work
at Bell Labs for crissake... you're no newbie... If you told me that you
don't read things before commenting on them, I'd be _shocked_...

Ribbing over. If you have Linux, you have the GPL, however I'll be happy to
send you a copy if you don't have one. 

There are two licenses: the General Public License, and the General Library
Public License. The former says (among other things) that you may modify
and/or distribute free software. What you _can't_ do is deny anyone any
of the rights you have under the GPL or GLPL. This means that you must either
provide copies of the GPL and GLPL in the distributions or tell distributees
how they can get it. You must also not deny acces to any software covered
under the GPL or GLPL. You may charge a fee. You must either disclaim all
warrantees or else provide distributees with your warantee support and say so.

The basic deal is that software covered under the GPL can be obtained for free,
however not support. You can provide and charge for that. Also: just because
the wigit handling tool I made was created using linux and its tools, that 
alone does not make it be covered under the GPL.

I think the GLPL says that if you distribute an executable linked with any
library (except one: libio, the C++ iostream library), then you must also 
provide your executable in unlinked form so that it can be linked with a 
user-supplied replacement library. 

Now: forget everything I just wrote, eat the note (careful of the glass) and
read the GPL for yourself. Most of it is in plain english.

-- 

-Jim

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From: bpatton@myhost.subdomain.domain (Billy N. Patton)
Subject: WINE gotta have it (please!!!)
Date: Fri, 6 May 1994 14:28:12 GMT

My I have the location of WINE.  I have just upgraded to
slackware 1.2.0

--

Dazed and Confused for so long now.

Billy N. Patton
bpatton@asic.sc.ti.com
Texas Instruments, Inc.  
Semiconductor Group
Application Specific Integrated Circuit (ASIC)
Hardware Engineering Services
Dallas Texas

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From: newton@cleese.apana.org.au (Mark Newton)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.programmer.misc,comp.os.minix,comp.os.mach,comp.periphs,comp.unix.bsd,comp.unix.pc-clone.32bit,comp.os.386bsd.development,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc
Subject: Re: [Announcement] 386BSD Release 1.0
Date: 5 May 1994 14:31:39 +0930

In article <jmonroyCp6wpE.7yG@netcom.com>, Jesus Monroy Jr (jmonroy@netcom.com) wrote:

 >         Friends and Fans of 386BSD,

There aren't any left.  They're all running FreeBSD and NetBSD.

   - mark
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From: antonyc@linuxftp.caltech.edu (antony)
Subject: Re: Linux 1.0.8 SLOWER than .99pl13 !!
Date: 7 May 1994 09:56:02 GMT

bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery) writes:

>You do realize that the only reliable way to find out about new patches is to
>check ftp.cs.helsinki.fi or ftp.funet.fi, don't you?  Less reliably, one can
>watch the newsgroups to see if someone else happens to mention it.  (We just
>had someone beg Linus to tell the KERNEL channel when he releases a new
>kernel... that'd be nice.  Maybe c.o.l.announce too.)

for those of you in the U.S. (or anywhere else if you really want) i keep
a live mirror of linus' directory at
linuxftp.caltech.edu:/pub/Linux/Linus

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From: antonyc@linuxftp.caltech.edu (antony)
Subject: Re: Patch?????
Date: 7 May 1994 10:00:13 GMT

u8123025@cc.nctu.edu.tw ( Monkey) writes:


>      I want to know how to generate a patch file...

have you tried:
diff --recursive --unified <dir1> <dir2>

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