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Subject:  Linux-Development Digest #658

Linux-Development Digest #658, Volume #1         Sun, 24 Apr 94 01:13:09 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Kudos to kernel developers (Whistler)
  Re: Linux v1.1.3 > v1.1.4, patch4 doesn't work right. (Whistler)
  rsh hangs (Eildert Groeneveld)
  Smart driver loading... (Michael Nelson)
  Re: DOOM-like game engine for Linux available (Michael Nelson)
  Re: VL-Bus SCSI Controller questions? (Michael Nelson)
  Request for number (Bob Perkins)
  Re: MOTOROLA TARGETS EMBEDDED CONTROL MARKET or 680x0 line gone (Donald VuKovic)
  Re: StP (Software through Pictures) (Stuart Herbert)
  Re: Linux in c++? (Peter Kiggins)
  linux curses, is that ok? (raarts@netland.nl)
  Re: Math lib woes(Slackware 1.2) (Thomas Roehl)
  STILL getting overrun errors (1.0.9). (Joel M. Hoffman)
  Re: X GUI Builder (Kent A Vander Velden)
  Re: DOOM-like game engine for Linux available (Kent A Vander Velden)
  SCSI CDROM playing Audio CD's (Michael Peek)
  Re: [NET] WD8013 Ethernet (Mark Evans)
  Re: What is an SDK? (Stuart Herbert)
  Re: What is an SDK? (Maarten Boekhold (Who'd you expect??))

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From: slouken@gramme.cs.ucdavis.edu (Whistler)
Subject: Re: Kudos to kernel developers
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 1994 21:21:05 GMT

Robert Bauer (rbauer@ecst.csuchico.edu) wrote:
: So, without further ado, I give a sincere thanks to all involved 
: in developing and testing linux.

        Amen. :)

--Sam; Linux Wizard's Apprentice.   Let source code be my guide,
       good coding be my creed, and live that I may help those in 
       need.


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From: slouken@gramme.cs.ucdavis.edu (Whistler)
Subject: Re: Linux v1.1.3 > v1.1.4, patch4 doesn't work right.
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 1994 21:26:13 GMT

Jason V Robertson (jr7877@eehpx12) wrote:
: It did this to me, too.  I had to just copy the files it created into their
: correct directory.  It seems like the --newfile (or whatever) was just creating
: them in the current directory.  Is their a switch we are missing in our patch
: line?  Anyway, I did it the hard way and looked through the patch file to find
: out where all those renegade files _should_ have been put and copied them there.

        I ran into this problem until I figured out how to fix it.
Instead of doing the patch from above the linux directory, do this 
instead:

        cd /usr/src/linux
        patch -p1 <patch5

The -p1 option tells patch to strip off the leading "linux/" from 
pathnames in the patch, and for some reason, this drops all of the
new files in the proper places.  Note that you perform the patch 
from within the top level of the linux kernel source tree.

Good luck!

        -Sam


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From: groeneveld@tzv.fal.d400.de (Eildert Groeneveld)
Subject: rsh hangs
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 16:44:50 GMT

we are putting remote mailing together. RSH is part of the procedure.
Unfortunately, rsh hangs after having executed the command. This is so for
all
commands that we have tried. Does someone have an idea wahat is going on?

Eildert

-- 
Eildert Groeneveld
Institute of Animal Husbandry and Animal Behaviour
Federal Agricultural Research Center
31535 Neustadt 
Germany
e-mail: eg@tzv.fal.d400.de

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From: mikenel@netcom.com (Michael Nelson)
Subject: Smart driver loading...
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 1994 22:48:31 GMT

I don't know if SLS 1.05 "modular Linux" covers this, but has there been
any serious thought/attempt to make Linux load Network drivers, SCSI
drivers, etc... based on "probing" during initial installation? Windows
for Workgroups does this for about 95% of the network cards it supports...
and it is REALLY handy. 

I guess this leads to another issue, and that is there any intent on 
making Linux less monolithic and more modularized (in the std. kernel 
release)? Included would be automatic driver loading/unloading, 
auto-detection of devices, etc... Someone touched on the fact that it would 
be nice to automatically install/de-install file systems based on whether 
or not they are in use. 

Plus, in order to make this all really easy-to-do, does Linux support 
dynamic linking in the sense that you can load and unload libraries on 
the fly (like DLLs in Windows)? I know it support something to this 
effect, perhaps someone could elaborate more on exactly how this works.

All of this would make it easier for people to add and take away 
components without re-compiling the kernel which is expensive (in terms 
of hard disk space), and perhaps this would make more of an "API 
dividing line"...

-- Mike
-- 

____________________________________________________________________________
Michael Nelson                                            mikenel@netcom.com

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From: mikenel@netcom.com (Michael Nelson)
Subject: Re: DOOM-like game engine for Linux available
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 1994 22:50:31 GMT

Chris Laurel (claurel@mr.net) wrote:

: LINUXers,

: I've put the first cut of my 3D game engine 'wt' up on sunsite in
: /pub/Linux/Incoming/wt-0.01.tar.gz.  This is definitely pre-ALPHA, but
: it should make at least shut up all those weenies who say you can't
: write video games for anything but DOS.  I'm getting about 17-18 frames
: per second on my VLB 486/33 under Linux 1.0.  Running it on a non-localbus
: system knocks the speed down considerably.

Don't worry, those weenies won't have much to say when Doom for Linux 
arrives (it is currently postponed until ID gets a few more things out 
the door).

-- Mike
-- 

____________________________________________________________________________
Michael Nelson                                            mikenel@netcom.com

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From: mikenel@netcom.com (Michael Nelson)
Subject: Re: VL-Bus SCSI Controller questions?
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 1994 23:12:20 GMT

John Ngai (ngai@nova.bellcore.com) wrote:
: Hi, I am thinking of getting a bus-mastered VL-Bus SCSI controller card for
: running Linux. I saw some discussing in comp.periphs.scsi that VL-bus SCSI 
: cards may hog the local bus and create problem with the other cards like
: sound card playback and floppy tape backup. It also defeats the purpose of
: having bus-master cards since the CPU can't do a thing during the transfer.

: I have a Micronics JX-30G VL-bus motherboard, and I am interested in either
: the BusLogic 445S or UltraStor 34F SCSI controller cards. My questions are:

Don't buy the Ultrastor :-(. They filed for Chapter 11 reorganization 
not too long ago... found that out when I tried to call their support 
line. You may find out you are buying an unsupported card.

-- Mike
-- 

____________________________________________________________________________
Michael Nelson                                            mikenel@netcom.com

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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
From: rcp@edus.oau.org (Bob Perkins)
Subject: Request for number
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 1994 22:35:13 GMT

I am working on a device driver for a smart I/O card, the Computone
"Intelliport II", a 4 or 8 channel board and need a major device
number. The number for my ISC box is 28, and since that number is
not used in the linux map, I have assigned that to the driver. If no
one objects, consider that number as used, and modify the file:
/usr/src/linux/include/linux/major.h to indicate:
[ line 77, 1.0.8 ] "#define I2SMART_IO_MAJOR 28"

If this is not the proper way to do things, I am sure that some one
will advise me.

I would appreciate e-mail from the serial gurus for hints on how-to.

---
rcp@edus.oau.org

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From: dvukovic@csn.org (Donald VuKovic)
Subject: Re: MOTOROLA TARGETS EMBEDDED CONTROL MARKET or 680x0 line gone
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 1994 20:07:14 GMT

Does anyone know of any hardware thats not Apple, Atari, or Amiga that
will run the 68k-Linux ?

Would there be any interest in development of a generic 68K system that
can be used to run same.

thanks for any feedback.

donaldV


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From: ac3slh@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk (Stuart Herbert)
Subject: Re: StP (Software through Pictures)
Date: 22 Apr 1994 16:43:52 GMT

Jeff Hall (jhall@bonnie.ics.uci.edu) wrote:
: Has Software through Pictures been ported to Linux, and if so, where can I get
: it?
:  
: this is an x-windows software CASE tool.

StP is a commercial product - contact IDE and ask them :)

Stuart

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From: ozaec@westminster.ac.uk (Peter Kiggins)
Subject: Re: Linux in c++?
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 15:43:45 GMT

I'll have another go...to recap, a suggestion was made that C++ be used
to compile Linux, and this idea was generally rejected.  At this point I
wrote:

>Moving the discussion on a little, should Linux be re-written (re-designed)
>around an object-based or object-oriented model?  Unless this is done,
>why change from C to C++ (or anything else for that matter)?

Please note that I neither recommend nor proscribe a particular language - the
first question concerns OS design, the second asks (seriously) why change
from a C compiler when the source is C code?

Ivan (ivan@djomolungma.Eng.Sun.COM) wrote:

>Have you ever tried to debug a C++ application with adb?
>C++ has ... mangled names, virtual tables, pointers that change their
>value as they get cast around.
>Until we have a full-fledged kernel src debugger, any such attempt is
>frivoluos.

All true.

Larry McVoy (lm@stanford.edu) wrote:

>You can do this in C.  SunOS 4.x is done this way.  The file system and
>files are classes with all virtual methods.  So are the device drivers.
>All the benefits with none of the b*llsh*t.  Leave the poor kernel alone.

All true.  I have a vague recollection of a paper describing the Plan 9
filesystem from an object-oriented point of view - if someone could pass a
reference on to me I'd appreciate it.

As to leaving the kernel alone, well, this _is_ comp.os.linux.development.

>On the other hand, if you feel strongly about it, you are welcome to take 
>the sources, convert them yourself, and prove how wonderful a result you
>have.  Feel free.  Let us know how it turns out.

Thanks.

If anyone else has anything constructive to say, I'd be interested.

pete

==============================================================================
Peter Kiggins                   |       Janet:  ozaec@uk.ac.westminster
University of Westminster       |       Other:  ozaec@westminster.ac.uk

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From: raarts@netland.nl
Subject: linux curses, is that ok?
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 13:44:22 GMT

Hi,

I may be having problems using the curses library with curses.
Note I'm not a guru. I've compiled lynx2-2 on linux, and I experience
problems with screen display. It may be the package, and it may
be the curses library. Lynx compiles & runs on numerous platforms
though, my first guess would be my own system.

what happens? When lynx displays a screen some lines are more to the
left as they should be, and portions of the previous screen remain.
When I redraw the screen, eveything is displayed correctly.

I compiled with -lcurses -ltermcap, it compiles and works fine.

I would like some help determining the cause of this.
Please email, I'll summarize results later.

-- Ron
raarts@netland.nl

-- 
NetLand. Professional Internet access - gopher, irc, ftp, telnet, WWW etc.
We also run the Internet BBS - DIRECT INTERNET CONNECTION - +31-(0)20-6940350

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From: thomas@troehl.hanse.de (Thomas Roehl)
Subject: Re: Math lib woes(Slackware 1.2)
Date: 20 Apr 94 22:33:07 GMT

Reuben A. McFarland (mcfarlan@rubidium.service.indiana.edu) wrote:

: I'm either being really stupid or I have a math lib problem.
: Somebody please tell me which.

: little program:
: -------------------------------
: #include <math.h>
: void main( void )
: {
:     double num;
:     num = cos( 2.0 );
: }
: -------------------------------
: attempt to compile it thus:
: -------------------------------
: cc -lm -o test test.c 
: /tmp/cca000571.o: Undefined symbol _cos referenced from text segment
: -------------------------------

[rest deleted]
 cc -o test test.c -lm
                   ^^^ library references goes here !!

greetings
-- 
Thomas Roehl            * thomas@troehl.hanse.de  * DATA / FAX :
Hamburg, Germany        *                         * +49 40 792 99 61
                        *                         * v32.bis Login:gast 

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From: joel@rac1.wam.umd.edu (Joel M. Hoffman)
Subject: STILL getting overrun errors (1.0.9).
Date: 22 Apr 94 17:04:01 GMT

Well, I've applied nine patches (from .../people/linus) to the 1.00
kernel, and I'm still getting massive overrun errors.  From the time
the machine boots I get intermitent overrun errors, then after about
30 hours, the modem becomes unusable.

Has anyone found the bug here yet?

-Joel
(joel@wam.umd.edu)

-- 
=============================================================================
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 cnc  HOW MANY MORE?          and time,  are scattered two  hospitals and one
                          cemetery.   But the young woman who was  buried  in
                    the place from where she came, at a distance of more than
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      lonely man who is mourning her death in a distant  country incorporates
into the circle the whole world.  And I won't speak of the cry of the orphans
that reaches God's chair and from there makes the circle endless and godless."
=============================================================================
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From: graphix@iastate.edu (Kent A Vander Velden)
Subject: Re: X GUI Builder
Date: 24 Apr 94 02:55:43 GMT

In <CHRISTIM.94Apr23111815@beli.ifi.uio.no> christim@beli.ifi.uio.no (Christian Moen) writes:

>In article <Conw9M.MLA@amiserv.chi.il.us> brianw@amiserv.xnet.com (Brian Weedman) writes:

>   I'm looking for a GUI builder for X and linux. does any one know where I 
>   can get one or whether there is one.

>Check out ParcPlace's ObjectBuilder and ObjectInterface available free
>on Linux. It's included in the Slackware distribution and can most
>certainly be found on your favourite ftp site. Look for "oi".

All tho it was certainly nice of ParcPlace to release to the Linux
community a port of their product... it leaves one major things to
be desired.  To use the ObjectBuilder one has to include a special
include file and hence have the ObjectBuilder libraries.  So much
for delevoping a package on Linux and then simply recompiling on 
another platform.

Maybe this is not the case... if someone knows have to make ObjectBuilder
write 100% Motif or Xview code, please let me know for right now
ObjectBuilder is no more than a toy. :(





-- 
Kent Vander Velden                          Project Vincent
graphix@iastate.edu                         System Operations
                                            Student Development Group
                                            Engineering Animation, Inc.

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From: graphix@iastate.edu (Kent A Vander Velden)
Subject: Re: DOOM-like game engine for Linux available
Date: 24 Apr 94 03:00:27 GMT

In <mikenelCoqI47.CKx@netcom.com> mikenel@netcom.com (Michael Nelson) writes:

>Chris Laurel (claurel@mr.net) wrote:

>: LINUXers,

>: I've put the first cut of my 3D game engine 'wt' up on sunsite in
>: /pub/Linux/Incoming/wt-0.01.tar.gz.  This is definitely pre-ALPHA, but
>: it should make at least shut up all those weenies who say you can't
>: write video games for anything but DOS.  I'm getting about 17-18 frames
>: per second on my VLB 486/33 under Linux 1.0.  Running it on a non-localbus
>: system knocks the speed down considerably.

Just took a look at wt... pretty cool!  Great promise with it.

>Don't worry, those weenies won't have much to say when Doom for Linux 
>arrives (it is currently postponed until ID gets a few more things out 
>the door).

Any chance we could have a rough E.T.A.?

-- 
Kent Vander Velden                          Project Vincent
graphix@iastate.edu                         System Operations
                                            Student Development Group
                                            Engineering Animation, Inc.

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From: peek@cs.utk.edu (Michael Peek)
Subject: SCSI CDROM playing Audio CD's
Date: 22 Apr 94 18:27:22 GMT

I have recently installed a SCSI CDROM in my machine.  I can mount and use
CDrom's just fine, but I can't play audio files.

CDplayer says /dev/mcd doesn't exist. (It does)
Workbone initializes then exits without ever saying anything.
Workman says there's not CD in the drive (when there is)

Any ideas?  Is there something stupid I forgot to set up?  I did install Linux
telling it I had a cdrom an all.

Thanks,
        Michael Peek - peek@math.utk.edu

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From: evansmp@mb48026.aston.ac.uk (Mark Evans)
Subject: Re: [NET] WD8013 Ethernet
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 1994 21:10:57 GMT

Russell Coker (Russell.Coker@f363.n633.z3.fidonet.org) wrote:
:    I have some WD8013 series Ethernet cards that can be jumpered for IO
: addresses 0x380, 0x340, 0x300, 0x2c0, 0x2a0, 0x280, 0x260, 0x240, 0x220, and
: 0x200.

:    The wd.c driver in the Linux kernel (version 1.1.0) only supports addresses
: 0x300, 0x280, 0x380, and 0x240.  Why doesn't it support addresses 0x340,
: 0x2c0,0x2a0, 0x260, 0x220, and 0x200?  Is there any good reason for the kernel
: distribution to not support those extra addresses?

Is it too difficult to alter your kernel.

:    I would like to see the default kernel changed if possible, because the
: current setup means that I (and others with the same type of Ethernet card)
: can't use the standard boot/root disks that come with distributions of Linux.

You don't need an ethernet card to recompile the kernel, not being able to 
address your SCSI disk, because the kernel thinks it is an ethernet card
causes far more grief.

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From: ac3slh@sunc.sheffield.ac.uk (Stuart Herbert)
Subject: Re: What is an SDK?
Date: 21 Apr 1994 16:55:40 GMT

Riku Saikkonen (riku.saikkonen@compart.fi) wrote:

: It's a good idea, as long as the SDK is _completely free_, as the
: HOW-TOs and other documents.

Why must it be completely free?  If the licensing of commercial documentation,
code or whatever will enhance the quality of the SDK, then why not?

I think the idea is to be able to bring real, killer applications to Linux ...
at the moment, Windows enjoys a significant advantage in this area ...

Stuart

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Subject: Re: What is an SDK?
From: boekhold@morra.et.tudelft.nl (Maarten Boekhold (Who'd you expect??))
Date: 22 Apr 94 22:52:43 +0200

Jarkko Aitti (ajake@snafu.muncca.fi) wrote:
> In article <1994Apr19.172936.19968@uk.ac.swan.pyr>,
> Alan Cox <iiitac@uk.ac.swan.pyr> wrote:

> >o    Like it or not Motif or a Motif option needs to be in a commercial
> >SDK.
> >
> >This sounds a lot but bear in mind if people get to treat Linux seriously,
> >a few hundred dollars for an SDK is peanuts to them.
> >
> >Alan

> Huh, few hundred dollars is nothing compared to zero expenses of everything
> else?-------------------

> What is so wonderful with Motif, i've always though it is quite a hog for
> system resources? (i'll bet that hard/software salespersons like it;-)
> Also, if developers are forced to use Motif this way, it tempts them to write
> more of that s**t needing Motif, yuck! What happened to free OS with free
> software with free development evironment?
> (Remember poor Linus struggling with his few hundred dollars payments?;-)

> -AJake

Do you think you can get major softwarecompanies to write/port software for/to
Linux which will be distributed free? Get real, one thing people want is
programs like WP/Word/Exel etc. etc. Those kind of programs (that quality, and
*don't* come with "WP sucks" and such, I know that :-) are, sadly, not available
as freeware. So we need big companies targeting at Linux, else Linux won't come
out of it's hackers background.....

Maarteny

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