Subject: Linux-Development Digest #304
From: Digestifier <Linux-Development-Request@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU>
To: Linux-Development@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU
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Date:     Sat, 11 Dec 93 00:13:09 EST

Linux-Development Digest #304, Volume #1         Sat, 11 Dec 93 00:13:09 EST

Contents:
  Re: SCO binaries ??? (Gerald Sternagl - SunSoft Germany - Munich)
  Bug in libc-4.5.6 ? (Lutz Molgedey)
  Re: Lots more stats in /proc aka /proc/loadavg (Randolph Bentson)
  Re: Neuronal networks (Tilo Schuerer)
  Re: What is JAM? (Re: What tools would you use on Linux for business applications?) (Alfred Longyear)
  Re: What is JAM? (Re: What tools would you use on Linux for business applications?) (Phillip Hardy)
  Re: Has xpm been ported to Solaris 2 yet? (Arnaud Le Hors)
  Does LINUX support Magneto-Optical (MO) drives ? (Sohail M. Parekh)
  Booten mit Adaptec 1542C (Arnd)
  Re: Merry $*!@ing Christmas! (Markus Stumpf)
  Re: Neuronal networks (Frits Daalmans)
  Re: Notif - The Free MOTIF Clone Project (Per Abrahamsen)
  nfsd uid changes when users access nfs drive (Mike McCarrick)
  Re: SCO binaries ??? (Brandon S. Allbery)
  Re: Lots more stats in /proc aka /proc/loadavg (Kai Kretschmann)
  Re: Bug in libc-4.5.6 ? (H.J. Lu)
  Re: Merry $*!@ing Christmas! (David Casseres)

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From: gerald@phoenix.Germany.Sun.COM (Gerald Sternagl - SunSoft Germany - Munich)
Subject: Re: SCO binaries ???
Date: 10 Dec 1993 11:28:14 GMT
Reply-To: gerald@phoenix.Germany.Sun.COM

To stop this discussion. There are special patches for "ibcs/coff" available on tsx-11. These patches were written for 0.99pl11 or 12 that means that you have
to modify a few things. I've done this under 0.99pl14 and I can run basic text applications like "vi" or "emacs" from my SCO-machine. X-Applications are not
runnning yet and some text-applications produce a seg.viol. Nevertheless I think
the author of these patches has done some excellent work and everybody should
have a look at his work. 
See: tsx-11.mit.edu: /pub/Linux/ALPHA/ibcs2/...

regards
gerald sternagl



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From: molgedey@theo-physik.uni-kiel.dbp.de (Lutz Molgedey)
Subject: Bug in libc-4.5.6 ?
Date: 10 Dec 1993 13:36:45 GMT
Reply-To: molgedey@theo-physik.uni-kiel.dbp.de

Hi,

Mtools works fine under libc4.4.4, but using libc4.5.6 i got an error:
"Config file syntax: drive device [ fat [ tracks heads sectors ] ]".
Is this a bug in libc4.5.6?
Thanks.
========================================================================
Lutz Molgedey                      |molgedey@theo-physik.uni-kiel.de
Institut fuer Theoretische Physik  | 
Olshausenstr. 40                   |Tel. (+49/431)8804071
D-24118 Kiel                       |Fax. (+49/431)8804432


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From: bentson@CS.ColoState.EDU (Randolph Bentson)
Subject: Re: Lots more stats in /proc aka /proc/loadavg
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 14:25:39 GMT

In article <2e507gE829@uni-erlangen.de>,
Rudolf Koenig <rfkoenig@immd4.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> wrote:
>...
>I wrote an rstatd and a perfmeter clone for Linux about two months ago.
>...
>For those who would like to try it out, it is available in
>  faui43.informatik.uni-erlangen.de:/pub/Linux/LOCAL/rstatd

I'd like to check this out, but I can't even get a ping
from faui43.  Please drop me a note if you've an ftp-able
copy (especially if in North America), or if it's small
enough and you can e-mail it.  I'll post a summary.

Randolph
bentson@cs.colostate.edu (!home)
bentson@grieg.seaslug.org (home!)

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From: tilo@cs.tu-berlin.de (Tilo Schuerer)
Subject: Re: Neuronal networks
Date: 10 Dec 1993 15:05:13 GMT

In article <1993Dec9.221234.756@arthax.satlink.net>, floyd@arthax.satlink.net (Christian Pablo Tagtachian) writes:
> Christian Wehrfritz (sz0166@cd4680fs.rrze.uni-erlangen.de) wrote:
> : bcr@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Bill C. Riemers) writes:
> 
> : The best Network Simulator is SNNS, you can get it at
> : ftp.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de in pub/SNNS/.
> : There's a graphical user interface for X and many learning functions.
> 
> May be it does... but since I can only get to a few newsgroups and I want to 
> run it on a Linux system...., this was my only choice. 
> I am in Argentina, many things are not in my grasp.


You can get the source from ftp.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de:/pub/SNNS.
After unpacking simple type ./configure and there will be the choice
between SUN, DEC etc. and LINUX! Then simple type ./build all and
all will be compiled without any problems!

I think getting the code with ftp is better than mailing it!

Hope this helps,

Tilo
--
tilo@cs.tu-berlin.de

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From: longyear@netcom.com (Alfred Longyear)
Subject: Re: What is JAM? (Re: What tools would you use on Linux for business applications?)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 15:01:05 GMT

spj@ukelele.gcr.com (Guru Aleph_Null) writes:

>In article <1993Dec8.223434.12433@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>,
>Martin Zam <marz@cococay.NoSubdomain.NoDomain> wrote:
>>If you were to attempt this on Linux, what tools would you choose and why?
>>I'm looking (hoping) for JAM-like functionality in the development tools.
>>This ought to make for a lively discussion!  Have at it!

>It ought to, because my first question is: What is JAM?

JAM - Just Another Make ???
      ^    ^       ^

If so, it compiles cleanly on Linux. Just get the source and compile it.
(Source is in the alt.sources archive site near you.)

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From: phillip@mserve.kiwi.gen.nz (Phillip Hardy)
Subject: Re: What is JAM? (Re: What tools would you use on Linux for business applications?)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 05:49:56 GMT

Guru Aleph_Null (spj@ukelele.gcr.com) wrote:
: In article <1993Dec8.223434.12433@porthos.cc.bellcore.com>,
: Martin Zam <marz@cococay.NoSubdomain.NoDomain> wrote:
: >If you were to attempt this on Linux, what tools would you choose and why?
: >I'm looking (hoping) for JAM-like functionality in the development tools.
: >This ought to make for a lively discussion!  Have at it!

: It ought to, because my first question is: What is JAM?

Well JAM is a message base system for Remote ACCESS BBS versions 2.00 >
thay use to use a system called HUDSUN message base....
Limited to 200 areas :) 64000Messages... (15MB limit)
with jam your limited to 64000 messages per area :)
hehhe but if rather use the unix system of doing things :)
much faster.
now i got an fantastic news system pop into my head.
how about useing compress on every message in news spool and get the news
reader to use uncompress when it reads it?
be good :) get 6x or more your news space :)

or is this just to non - unix :)


--
PGP 2.3A Key id: Phillip W. Hardy <phillip@mserve.kiwi.gen.nz) 
What do you mean you don't use linux :-() Get it while its HOT
PPG Digital fingerprint {A4 A9 DE 59 B8 FB 62 1B | E7 54 57 D7 27 06 0F 8E} 
for Public key Email me / finger phillip@status.gen.nz / visit keyserver
(echo Disclamer ; yes "I will not leave my terminal loged in"

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From: lehors@babar.inria.fr (Arnaud Le Hors)
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.windows.x.motif,gnu.misc.discuss,comp.sources.d
Subject: Re: Has xpm been ported to Solaris 2 yet?
Date: 10 Dec 1993 17:09:06 GMT

Xpm had been modified to compile on Solaris 2.0 at the beginning of this year
(that was xpm-3.2d). However it seems that Solaris 2.3 brought some
modifications which leads to problems since I've already mentionned of such
difficulties. If anybody having fixed the code (this should only be some
problem regarding include files) is willing to send me a patch, I'll be glad to
apply it to the next release.

-- 
 Arnaud LE HORS - lehors@sophia.inria.fr - BULL Research France, Koala Project

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From: sohail@trixie (Sohail M. Parekh)
Subject: Does LINUX support Magneto-Optical (MO) drives ?
Reply-To: sohail@rhonda.jsc.nasa.gov
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 17:14:21 GMT


Does LINUX support Magneto-Optical (MO) drives ? I am looking at the 
Fugitsu 3.5 inch drive that support 128M on the each drive. The I have
read a little bit on the technology and the drive and it looks good. As 
you all know MO optical drives are READ/WRITE drives  where the READ/WRITE
access is much slower then a normal magnetic drive but you can you use the
media like normal floppy drives. Although its expensive then DAT Tapes but
the media life is much longer. Any way, the drives provide a standard SCSI
(or SCSI-II) interface.

I have the following questions:

a) Since the drives have standard SCSI interface and will be connected
   to my standard scsi card, do I even need any additional driver support ?

b) How will the MO-floppy change detection will take place ? Is it gonna be
   similar to the way floppy driver detects floppy drive change ?

c) Last but not least as anyone dared to use these drives on Linux yet ?


Sincerely,

Sohail
--
     Sohail M. Parekh                Grumman  Data Systems
     sohail@rhonda.jsc.nasa.gov      12000 Aerospace Ave. 
     (713) 483-5912                  Houston, TX 77034

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From: arnd@BOELKSTOFF.cilnet (Arnd)
Subject: Booten mit Adaptec 1542C
Date: 10 Dec 1993 17:35:39 GMT
Reply-To: arnd@BOELKSTOFF.cilnet

I'm using an Adaptec 1542C with a Toshiba 1 GB Drive and an 250 MB Quantum IDE drive as bootdrive.
I've just problems booting the SLS bootdisk with the adapter BIOS enabled. Is it possible to boot from flopy with the BIOS enabled ?
Any help would be very nice.


A. Hekermans



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Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.windows.x.motif,gnu.misc.discuss,comp.sources.d
From: stumpf@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE (Markus Stumpf)
Subject: Re: Merry $*!@ing Christmas!
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 18:44:22 GMT


In article <CHoC77.8Ir@lut.ac.uk>, M.T.Hamilton@lut.ac.uk (Martin Hamilton) writes:
|> [ Marcus Roberts said: ]
|> 
|> > I love Mosiac, and the NCSA httpd, and I hope all this crap doesn't put them
|> > off futher development.  If you don't like the way Mosaic is developing,
|> > bugger off and find another browser.  
|> >
|> > Thanks NCSA people!
|> 
|> Ditto!

Thanks from me, too!
And I am sure from all the "freshies" in our labs, too, who use Mosaic for
X11 and our ncsa-httpd all day long as the primary infosystem to get help
and from all the others, too, who use it to explore the universe.

        \Maex
-- 
______________________________________________________________________________
 Markus Stumpf                        Markus.Stumpf@Informatik.TU-Muenchen.DE 

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Crossposted-To: comp.ai.neural-nets
From: frits@rulglj.LeidenUniv.nl (Frits Daalmans)
Subject: Re: Neuronal networks
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 93 17:56:53 GMT

:> >In article <1993Dec4.161139.22431@arthax.satlink.net> floyd@arthax.satlink.net (Christian Pablo Tagtachian) writes:
:> >>Hello, I am looking for a developement package for neuronal networks,
:> >><floyd@arthax.satlink.net> Buenos Aires, Argentina.

:> bcr@bohr.physics.purdue.edu (Bill C. Riemers) writes:
:> >I'm not sure why you posted the same message twice, but anyways would
:> >something like JETNET work?  It should compile with f2c and seems about
:> >one of the most intelligent neural network code I've used.  If you like
:> >I can look up the e-mail address so you request the latest version.

Christian Wehrfritz (sz0166@cd4680fs.rrze.uni-erlangen.de) wrote:
:> The best Network Simulator is SNNS, you can get it at
:> ftp.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de in pub/SNNS/.
:> There's a graphical user interface for X and many learning functions.
:> But maybe this belongs to comp.ai.neural-nets...
:> Christian

For Linuxers: WARNING: I crossposted this thread to comp.ai.neural-nets.
You can read the FAQ there, or maybe the readers of C.ai.NN will help
you a bit further. Or maybe flame me for crossposting :-)

For C.ai.NN readers: I think (optimistically :-)) that any ANN which runs
under a UNIX with X-windows will compile under Linux.
There are *LOTS* of packages available, I'm sure.
I crossposted this because there might be interest in you group to 
implement your programs on the Linux operating system for i386/486 PC's

To the original author:
Please specify WHAT kind of problem you want to solve (classification?
pattern recognition?), using WHICH algorithm (backpropagation, Kohonen
self-organizing feature map, other..  I'm a bit out of the subject,
sorry).

--
Another waste of network bandwidth by:
Frits Daalmans                          Gorlaeus Laboratoria                    
OIO Conformational Analysis             Leiden, The Netherlands 
E-mail: frits@rulglj.leidenuniv.nl      Tel: [+31] (0)71-274505

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From: abraham@iesd.auc.dk (Per Abrahamsen)
Crossposted-To: comp.windows.x.motif
Subject: Re: Notif - The Free MOTIF Clone Project
Date: 10 Dec 1993 20:55:30 GMT


>>>>> "Matt" == mattb@sdd.hp.com (Matt Bonner) writes:

Matt> Has OSF issued any sort of statement about people working on this
Matt> project who have seen the Motif source?  If not, could they?

>>>>> "Rick" == Rick Richardson <rick@digibd.digibd.com> writes:

Rick> I think you would be in grave danger of destroying the effort
Rick> if you or anyone else who worked on the project had ever seen
Rick> the Motif source code.

It is probably safe to follow the GNU guidelines in this and similar
cases.  From the GNU Coding Standards:

GNU> Referring to Proprietary Programs
GNU> *********************************

GNU>    Don't in any circumstances refer to Unix source code for or during
GNU> your work on GNU!  (Or to any other proprietary programs.)

GNU>    If you have a vague recollection of the internals of a Unix program,
GNU> this does not absolutely mean you can't write an imitation of it, but
GNU> do try to organize the imitation internally along different lines,
GNU> because this is likely to make the details of the Unix version
GNU> irrelevant and dissimilar to your results.

GNU> [ ... ]

Send mail to gnu@prep.ai.mit.edu if you want a complete copy.

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From: mmccarri@physics.ucla.edu (Mike McCarrick)
Subject: nfsd uid changes when users access nfs drive
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 93 00:02:37 GMT

Hi,

I export a filesystem from my Linux 0.99.14 system using nfsd 
from the net-2/source/nfsd/nfsd-150.tar.z distribution. Then
I run bwnfsd to allow pc users to access the shared filesystem
using Beame and Whiteside's bwnfs client on the pc.

The pc's can mount the drive and access things as expected, 
however, the uid of the running nfsd process always changes
to the uid of the last user that accessed the drive! This means
that any user can kill the nfsd by accessing the drive and then
killing the process, since they now own it. 

Can anyone offer any help on this problem?

Thanks,
Mike

-- 
Dr. Michael McCarrick                   UCLA Department of Physics
Plasma Physics Lab                              405 Hilgard Avenue
mmccarri@physics.ucla.edu                    Los Angeles, CA 90024

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From: bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org (Brandon S. Allbery)
Subject: Re: SCO binaries ???
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 23:31:10 GMT

In article <2e9mge$np5@sungy.Germany.Sun.COM>, gerald@phoenix.Germany.Sun.COM says:
+---------------
| See: tsx-11.mit.edu: /pub/Linux/ALPHA/ibcs2/...
+---------------------------------^^^^^

For people who refuse to read READMEs:  ALPHA means "this software is not
ready for public consumption yet; if it trashes your whole system, it's YOUR
fault, not ours!".  You have been warned.

++Brandon
-- 
Brandon S. Allbery         kf8nh@kf8nh.ampr.org          bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org
"MSDOS didn't get as bad as it is overnight -- it took over ten years
of careful development."  ---dmeggins@aix1.uottawa.ca
Do not taunt Happy Fun Coder.   (seen on the Net...)

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From: kai@fix.kmk.rhein-main.de (Kai Kretschmann)
Subject: Re: Lots more stats in /proc aka /proc/loadavg
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 1993 08:25:25 GMT

Donald J. Becker (becker@super.org) wrote:
: Check out /proc/net/dev, which contains the netcard device-level statistics.
Oops, I saw it now the first time! But these values are 'only'
the totals. I would like to see an average like number of packets
sent/received during the last 1/5/15 min. The same like the result of
the uptime command.
-- 
Kai Kretschmann,
  >>>   FidoNet:  2:248/312, 21:100/5729, 16:100/6006    <<<
  >>>   Internet: kai@fix.kmk.rhein-main.de              <<<
  >>>   FAX/BBS:  +49-6172-305379                        <<<

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From: hjl@nynexst.com (H.J. Lu)
Subject: Re: Bug in libc-4.5.6 ?
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 93 02:02:12 GMT

Lutz Molgedey (molgedey@theo-physik.uni-kiel.dbp.de) wrote:
: Hi,

: Mtools works fine under libc4.4.4, but using libc4.5.6 i got an error:
: "Config file syntax: drive device [ fat [ tracks heads sectors ] ]".
: Is this a bug in libc4.5.6?
: Thanks.

I don't know where/how you got libc 4.5.6. If you get it through the
GCC channel, you will get/should have got new information regarding
libc 4.5.6. Otherwise, please don't use it.

H.J.
The Linux C library maintainer.

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Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www,comp.windows.x,comp.windows.x.i386unix,comp.windows.x.motif,gnu.misc.discuss,comp.sources.d
From: David Casseres <casseres@apple.com>
Subject: Re: Merry $*!@ing Christmas!
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 18:48:26 GMT

In article <CHMB0z.ALE@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Jon Gefaell,
jeg7e@Hopper.ITC.Virginia.EDU writes:
>NCSA is not some private corporation, you do realize this don't you? It is
>paid for by the taxpayers money and should be responsive to the needs of the
>community it is intended for. If those people (your underwriters and audience)
>are complaining, you need to hear that and respond. If you want to do your
>own thing then start your own company with your own capital. In the meantime
>you work for us. 
>
>There are very valid reasons that we don't want to spend our money having
>people like you develop for a platform that will require us to spend even
>more money on Yet Another Library. There may be reasons that you feel you
>need to do so anyways... These should be communicated effectively and without
>insults of the type you sling about to your paying customers/clients..

Why, those rat fink bastards at NCSA!  They developed Mosaic to run only on
the platforms THEY chose, so if you have a TRS-80 or an Amiga or an Apple III,
and you want to run Mosaic, you have to go out and spend YOUR money and BUY
one of the platforms THEY chose to support!  Heinous!  Inexcusable!  They
should have used the taxpayers' money to support these systems, and besides,
they should have reimplemented Motif or at least done the extra work to avoid
using anything that isn't FREE.  And then they had the gall to give Mosaic
away for FREE!  And then, after being abused for a few days by a bunch of
incredibly well-informed, mature, courteous, reasonable, rational people on
the Net, one of them was so unbelievably ill-bred as to complain about it!

Call in Jesse Helms, these people are as bad as (insert your favorite artistic
villain here).  Cut their funding.  Send them to Somalia.  Make them write
everything in Basic and Fortran.  Make them support Mosaic on HyperCard and in
Excel macros.  That'll teach those smartass SOB's a lesson and remind them of
whom they are working for.

=============

David Casseres
Exclaimer: Hey!

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