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Ralph Kuntz, M.S., N2HBN, EMT-A, EIEIO grk@attunix.att.com --- QM v1.23/b * Origin: St Joseph's Medidcal Center Phoenix (602) 235-9653 (1:114/15.0) PATH: 114/15 103/501 265/7 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:dbcd 14f1b421 MSGID: 1:114/15 26a3fbcc UFGATE newsin 1.27 From: al@gtx.com (Alan Filipski) Date: 17 Jul 90 22:20:17 GMT Organization: GTX Corporation, Phoenix Message-ID: <1278@gtx.com> Newsgroups: sci.med Is Radioactive Iodine still an accepted treatment for Hyperthyroidism? Does it increase the chances for thyroid cancer later in life? I am asking because I had a (low, they said) therapeutic dose about 25 years ago when I was 17 and wonder if I have an unusually high risk of thyroid cancer. I have heard that accidental doses of Radioactive Iodine from nuclear accidents may lead to cancer in later life, but have no idea how the reported accidental doses compare with a therapeutic dose, or if the same isotope is involved. Just wondering, as if I need more to worry about. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ( Alan Filipski, GTX Corp, 8836 N. 23rd Avenue, Phoenix, Arizona 85021, USA ) ( {decvax,hplabs,uunet!amdahl,nsc}!sun!sunburn!gtx!al (602)870-1696 ) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --- QM v1.23/b * Origin: St Joseph's Medical Center Phoenix (602) 235-9653 (1:114/15.0) PATH: 114/15 103/501 265/7 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:dbcd 14f1b422 MSGID: 1:114/15 26a3fbcc UFGATE newsin 1.27 From: geb@dsl.pitt.edu (Gordon E. Banks) Date: 17 Jul 90 14:58:22 GMT Organization: Decision Systems Laboratory, Univ. of Pittsburgh, PA. Message-ID: <1990Jul17.145822.591@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu> Newsgroups: sci.med In article <21500125@m.cs.uiuc.edu> carey@m.cs.uiuc.edu writes: > >One thing about human growth hormone that I do know, is that it used >to be very expensive, and supplies were very limited, because it had >to be derived from the pituitary glands of some animal (I don't remember >which one). > >Now, genetic engineering has been done, so that some bacteria (E. coli? ) >produces the hormone, so it is relatively cheap to produce. > It still ain't cheap. Eli Lilly spent a lot of money developing the bacteria and they plan to make a pile on it. Current costs for the regimen published in the NEJM: $14000/yr. --- QM v1.23/b * Origin: St Joseph's Medical Center Phoenix (602) 235-9653 (1:114/15.0) PATH: 114/15 103#/501 265/7 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:2f5c 14f10420 I'm no specialist in scorpion stings, but I believe its sting is quite poisonious, causing death in some victims. I siggest you get actual information on this subject. --- TBBS v2.1/NM * Origin: ONLINE LIBRARY - LLUMC MEDICAL LIBRXARY & INFO CENTER (10/211) PATH: 10/211 114/15 103/501 265/7 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:3e4e 14f24d51 In a message of <17 Jul 90 00:33:48>, Ken Onwere (1:10/211) writes: KO>I'm no specialist in scorpion stings, but I believe its sting is quite KO>poisonious, causing death in some victims. I siggest you get actual KO>information on this subject. The sting is very painful and some deaths have been reported in the very young and the debilitated. The small tan ones seem to be the nastiest and are a little harder to spot. The big green ones are the scariest. 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Smith Registration $10.00 CDN APR90 BIBLE QUIZ BIBLEQ SMITH FILES: BIBLEQ41.SDN New Release "Bible-Q" is a quiz-type game for the IBM PC and compatibles. It is designed to challenge your factual knowledge of the Scriptures and to encourage you to dig in them. The shareware version of the game contains 600 multiple-choice questions drawn from the Scriptures. More questions are available through registration. "Bible-Q" is meant to be easy to play. Simply follow the onscreen instructions. There are modes of play. types of game. In the manual game the player(s) can choose the category and difficulty level of the question. In the automatic game the program does this automatically. At the request of several users, Bible references were added so that users can check the context of the questions. At times no specific reference was applicable, so the program refers the user to a map or dictionary, or simply replies with the word "general." The questions are arranged in five categories--Old Testament 1, Old Testament 2, Geography etc., Life of Jesus, and New Testament. The "Old Testament 1" category contains questions drawn from the books of Genesis through Ruth. "Old Testament 2" contains questions from 1 Samuel through Malachi. "Geography etc." contains questions on geographical facts drawn from the whole Bible. It also contains general questions on the Bible. "Life of Jesus" contains questions drawn from the four gospels. "New Testament" contains questions drawn in general from the New Testament. Each category has 120 (240 for registered version) questions. You now have the option of printing out quizzes. This option appears on the first menu. Subsequent menus will display the types of quizzes available. This feature should be useful for Bible classes and church groups. THE BEREAN AWARD: Players scoring more than 30,000 points in the game get the Berean award on the scoreboard screen. 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So I thought about it for a while > and decided to make the following pledge: I will try to > stick to facts instead of to emotions. I will try to talk You know how to push my buttons, I'll grant you that much. When that happens I tend to launch my defense (or attack) full tilt boogie. To debate is one thing - to denigrate your opponent is another. Keep the points impersonal and I pledge to do the same. > *I am a vet. Not only did I serve, but I was in the frontlines > during and after the 1973 war in Israel. I knew people > who got killed, I knew POW's, I know people who lost organs, > I know some who flipped out. To deduce from that that OK - point granted. I've often told those who were discussing the "protesters" that if you want to meet someone who is *seriously* against war - then find someone who has FOUGHT in one. It's hard to see death on that scale and still be able to believe that supposedly civilized people could resort to that. It happens though - and sometimes it's even necessary. I have a good friend who, after serving in Nam, went to Israel for the 73 war. He was on the Golian (sp?) Heights watching the arty and Air Force lay the Arabs to waste. Said he'd never seen anything in Nam to compare to it. I asked him why, after knowing war, he'd went over there. His answer was simple - "I'm a Jew" > don't wish war on the Americans or anybody else, but I > think that going through a war as a civilian is something > that is sorely missing from the American experience. US > forces went to many places to fight, but Americans never That's an experience I will gladly pass by. If you recall, one of the rationals in Vietnam was "If we don't stop them (the communists) over there, we'll have to stop them here" Nobody thought the Vietnamese were gearing up to invade, it was the "generic" communist expansion that we went to stop. Strangely enough it seems to have worked. > I never accepted any title and never followed any party > line. It's against my nature. But let's say for a minute > that I was a communist. So what? Is this a free country? > Is there a freedom of speech here? If that's the case, Yes there is freedom of speach. You have the freedom to recite that dogma, and I have the freedom to say bulls*it. > an old way of stifling discussion and self sencorship > has never done anybody good, at least in my humble opinion. > Well, peace... > *Any* kind of name calling gets off topic. Commie is not the only names being thrown around lately. Peace to you to. I hope you mean --- Opus-CBCS 1.13 * Origin: The Fireside Houston, Texas (713)49S6-6319 (1:106/114.0) PATH: 106/114 116 321/203 109 322/1 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:6f4e 14f28a2a MSGID: 1:106/449 26a4fc21 In a message of Michelle Bowlin (1:106/114) writes: MB>nothing seems to put out the fire. Your posts crack me up and bring MB>much needed relief...Please don't simmer down... Me? Nevah.... Lefty --- QM v1.00 * Origin: The Exec Washroom "Alternet<>VetNet<>Qlink<>Multinet Gate" (1:106/449.0) PATH: 106/449 116 321/203 109 322/1 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:daa7 14f28a4c MSGID: 1:106/449 26a4fc62 In a message of Scott Summers (1:106/114) writes: SS>Yipes! You get PTSD and PMS under the same roof and there's hell to SS>pay. Uh....no never mind. Lefty --- QM v1.00 * Origin: The Exec Washroom "Alternet<>VetNet<>Qlink<>Multinet Gate" (1:106/449.0) PATH: 106/449 116 321/203 109 322/1 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:0e4d 05f835b9 True, Life is not like a waterfall. It's absolutely, positively like a deep well! I think... --- via Silver Xpress V2.27 [NR] --- RBBSMail 17.3A # Origin: The Skeptic's Board -- Exploring the fringe. (RBBS 8:914/207) * Origin: Netwhork Gateway to RBBS-NET (RBBS-PC 1:10/8) PATH: 914/207 201 8/0 103/501 265/7 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:f1b0 05f85463 NA> notes. I never got around to it, but I did learn to take NA> conventional notes quite quickly, semi-printed rather than NA> in script writing. Isn't it the purpose of handwriting to make the writing process faster? Like you, I've found that I can print neatly far more quickly than I can script-write. --- via Silver Xpress V2.27 [NR] --- RBBSMail 17.3A # Origin: The Skeptic's Board -- Exploring the fringe. (RBBS 8:914/207) * Origin: Network Gateway to RBBS-NET (RBBS-PHC 1:10/8) PATH: 914/207 201 8/0 103/501 265/7 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:88b1 14f1ab55 I read somewhere lately how a restaurateur opened a place called something like McKabobs and how McDonalds immediately sued and won. The next week the owner was pictured in front of the new sign and altered storefront, which now read: Kabobs 'R' Us. Now, I don't vouch that this is -true-, just that it's funny... It was "McSushi's" which became "Sushis-R-Us", but it is indeed true. There was a picture of the man in front of the new store in the newspaper a while back. --- msged 1.99S ZTC * Origin: Crossrhodes (1:151/1000.42) PATH: 30444/42 151/1000 1003 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:4a75 14f39593 4d453220 BH> ... BTW: Yagonnabeat the social party?????? BH> yea, i was thinkingh of comming by and demonstrating adult behaviour ...robert --- ME2 * Origin: MotherBoard (Fidonet 1:19/9) PATH: 19/9 147/7 46 EID:6b05 14f3899d MSGID: 1:396/16 26a6225a Steven: Thanks so much for the information about the Canadian decision. I find it quite interesting. There's still some squabbling about it here. h. --- Maximus-CBCS v1.00 * Origin: High Concepts (RaLise it to the Power) 504/391-2925 (1:396/16) PATH: 396/16 3 1 147/7 46 EID:3795 14f38d15 MSGID: 1:396/29 26a628da CS> We are retransmitting the message for the user and perhaps we will find CS> out what happens. Where is Barren Earth located and who is the sysop? CS> How long have you been in operation? CS> Barren Earth XI is in Metairie, LA (technically), and we just went on-line this past Monday (about 4 days ago). Mike Whalen is sysop. Thanks so much for your re-transmission. I'm his erstwhile assistant and general kibitzer. All the best, h. (i'm typing with cut fingers; trying to install a refrigerator while moving into a new condo.) --- Maximus-CBCS v1.00 * Origin: The Barren Earth XI <-> The adventure continues.. (1:396/29) PATH: 396/29 3 1 147/7 46 EID:5be5 14f38600 In a message posted <17 Jul 90 21:32:51>, Esty Dinur writes: _> I'm out oftime again, will have to continue tomorrowountry? C Thank God you dont get more time to spread your Liberal Communist Babble around Supporting The Right To Keep and Arm Bears --- RMB v1.30 * Origin: / A Point Of Desperation NOLA TCTFtC / (1:396/20.1) PATH: 30348/1 396/20 1 147/7 46 EID:962e 14f36198 MSGID: 1:129/104 26a5dc16 Hubble Space Telescop Update July 18, 1990 During the last week, the Orbital Verification team continued with tests to further characterize the spherical aberration and to refine the telescope focus. Specifically, the team has been working to eliminate a slight coma and astigmatism from the optics. A number of diagnostic exposures were taken during the week with both the Wide Field Planetary Camera (WFPC) and the Faint Object Camera (FOC) as part of the process. On July 15 the Faint Object Spectrograph (FOS) placed itself into safemode. The verification team is studying the cause, and the instrument is scheduled to be recovered from safemode as part of a series of commands to be stored aboard the spacecraft and executed later this week. --- Opus-CBCS 1.13 * Origin: NSS BBS - Ad Astra! (412)366-5208 *HST* (1:129/104.0) PATH: 129/104 5 34 265/7 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:0776 14f34564 4d453220 On 15-Jul-90, sources inform us that Jon Jerome @ 1:115/634.0 said: >> My point is, audio test equipment can provide another means >> of determining performance, because simply listening will not always >> reveal which amp is the"better" performer. JJ> And I respond: if you like the sound of amp A over the sound of amp B, JJ> then you're crazy to buy amp B just because it's the "better" performer o JJ> some lab analyzer. You'll be stuck with an amp that looks good on paper, JJ> but doesn't SOUND good. Exactly! You understood what I was saying. --- Opus-CBCS 1.13 * Origin: Scott's Excellent BBS:Austin TX *HST DS* 650mb (1:382/17.0) PATH: 382/17 35 1 265/7 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:602e 14f33800 David, Thanks for sending the address. If you don't mind saying here would you tell me why you weren't too happy with the radio you bought? Bill is supposed to send me an address of some other place who sells similar radios to what they do. ]Susan, The Native Texan --- QuickBBS 2.64 (Reg) * Origin: >< Health-Link >< Austin Tx 512-444-9908 (1:382/5) PATH: 382/5 19 1 265/7 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:a809 14f373a0 TW, We received your mail yesterday; as always thanks. Have dialed up your BBS several times, always busy! HOpe to check in there after we get back from Louisiana. Take care. Susan, Larry --- QuickBBS 2.64 (Reg) * Origin: >< Haealth-Link >< Austin Tx 512-444-9908 (1:382/5) PATH: 382/5 19 1 265/7 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:793d 14f28d80 I was told to contact you concerning shareware on CD-ROM. Can you suggest a good collection to start with> I have just bought a CD-ROM drive and I would like to add a shareware collection on CD-ROM to my BBS (Austin ProSoft 382/47 (512)478-2903). A collection in Zipped format would be ideal as all my other files are Zipped. Thanks for any suggestions....... --- QuickBBS 2.64 (Reg) * Origin: Austin ProSoft * Austin, Texas * (512)478-2903 (1:382/47) PATH: 382/47 19 1 265/7 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:3dd9 14f33b4e Is anyone having problems with their CD-ROM under Desqview and QEMM? I run a multinode BBS and when 2 people are trying to d/l from the CD-ROM the thing hangs and gives me error not reading drive I:. Is ther a way I can get a hold of some different extensions from Microsoft? Regards Michael --- QM v1.00 * Origin: Outland BBS Austin, Tx (512)343-8124 1:382/59 (1:382/59.0) PATH: 382/59 35 1 265/7 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:d7ae 14f35e05 I just tried Tlink 3.0 with Clipper and it worked fine. Of course, Tlink 2.0 does not work with Clipper (and I still don't understand why not). Is there any reason why I should use Tlink 1.1 rather than Tlink 3.0...or vice versa? Any comments? --- * Origin: Wilton Woods OPUS Wilton,CT (HST) (203)762-8481 (Opus 1:141/250) PATH: 141/250 322/1 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:597e 14f3614b I just read an ad for something called MultiBase in DBMS magazine. It claims to give you "true multi-user multi-tasking capablility. Without a LAN!" "MultiBase is a dBase compiler that creates a powerful multi-user environment that loads directly from DOS...MultiBase's AutoLock freature even turns your single-user Clipper and dBase applications into multi-user applications -- instantly and without recoding!" This sounds too good to be true! Any comments? --- * Origin:p Wilton Woods OPUS Wilton,CT (HST) (203)762-8481 (Opus 1:141/250) PATH: 141/250 322/1 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:9386 14f2bed6 FMPT 23 In a message of <16 Jul 90 13:27:23>, Joe Sollenberger (1:270/211.3) (1:167/133) writes: >Roy, from the Sept. 1984 issue of PROFILES I found some >information about the WEB local area network produced by Adveco, >Inc., P.O. Box 606, Camp Hill, PA 17011 [(717) 763-1799]. The >copy reads "up to 100 Kaypros can communicate through ordinary >telephone wire with every other computer on the network over a >distance of up to 2000 feet. The package has networking >software and a hardware modification." Would you believe they >were asking $450 per computer back then!!! I'm sure Adveco is >no longer around, but since they were in your back yard, you >just might get a lead on someone who designed this stuff. Well, I just looked in the phone book and they're not listed. Too bad they only show a P.O. Box as the address. >I apologize for not writing something to you when I first read of >your interest in the Kaypro LAN. I did remember of the group on >the West Shore that did this, but I wanted to be specific in my >reply. Golly, is it ever fun to page through those old Profiles >magazines--aah the memories of a time when CP/M ruled supreme!! Yeah, sorta like old Byte and Kilobaud magazines. I took one of those off the shelf for some bathroom reading the other day, and had a few chuckles about the wonders of paper tape, etc. :-) >--- Ybbat (DRBBS) v. 2.11 r.1 > * Origin: CP/M is Alive and Well in Elizabethtown, PA (1:270/211.3) > > >--- RBBSMail 17.3A > * Origin: Juxtaposition BBS. The little PCjr that could (RBBS >1:167/133.0) >PATH: 167/133 90 12/12 265/7 13/13 270/101 1501/23 Why are some (but not all) of your messages showing two tag lines like this? That path seems like kind of a roundabout way for stuff to get here from E'town, too. Oh, BTW, we expect to sign a lease on the new shop tomorrow... --- msged 1.99S ZTC * Origin: TechPoint (1:270/101.23) PATH: 1501/23 270/101 13/13 396/1 1 47/7 46 EID:b53d 14f2bf73 FMPT 23 In a message of <15 Jul 90 11:08:59>, Ed Grey (1:102/752) writes: >modified somewhat. The author developed it on a system running a >Microsoft MSX (I think that's the name) operating system, which is >supposed to be CP/M 3.0 (Plus) compatible. I tested it (when I got it That's interesting. I own an MSX machine (a Yamaha CX5) but never heard of any claims to compatibility to any flavor of cp/m. Was it the people who uploaded this file who claimed this? --- msgced 1.99S ZTC * Origin: TechPoint (1:270/101.23) PATH: 1501/23 270/101 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:b6c5 14f300e8 FMPT 23 In a message of <17 Jul 90 18:10:53>, Online Ward (1:151/121) writes: >I would really appreciate some assistance from those of you who use the >H89. I suppose it is a power supply problem, but it only runs the fan, >and something is burning on the underside (the connector next to the >yellow connector that is next to the empty socket on the power supply >board on the very last connector. Anyway, (I will send another message >with a lot more detail when I get time) its not running the disk at >startup, no monitor comes on, and no beep. What do you think?? >So far that is. > THANKS!! I'm not real sure from your description, but there was a common problem with the power supply connectors on some of those units. If this is the same thing as what I'm thinking of, the metal contacts in the connector with the wires in it are probably discolored from overheating, due to bad connection at the connector itself. You may also have some damage to the board, too. The best suggestion I can offer for this is to remove the wires from the connector, and the connector from the board, and solder the wires directly to the pc board, after cleaning everything up. If the traces on the board are damaged, you may need to connect the wire to a different point that's electrically connected to the same place. If you aren't technically inclined enough to feel comfortable with this, take a copy of this message to a friend who is. If you can't find someone local to help you out, as a last resort you could ship the machine to me, but I think netmail is a better place to deal with that end of the conversation... Oh yeah, handles are generally frowned upon in this conference. --- msged 1.99S ZTC * Origin:K TechPoint (1:270/101.23) PATH: 1501/23 270/101 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:7975 14f300d1 FMPT 23 In a message of <17 Jul 90 08:50:01>, Charles Falconer (1:141/209.1) writes: >1990, Jul 16 20:32, Dave Ramsey (1:106/601) To: All: > > DR> I have a Wyse 60 terminal that recently went on the blink. > DR> Symptoms are video that is compressed drastically towards the > DR> center of the screen and which then fades in a few seconds to > DR> black. Keyboard input seems ok as I can ^P console output to > >Sounds like horizontal oscillator and/or high voltage supply. Any >COMPETENT tv technician should be able to handle it. You may need to get >schematics. Yeah, or the power supply that's feeding those stages... --- msged 1.99S ZTC * Origin: TechPoint (1:270/101.23) PATH: 1501/23 270/101 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:a1a1 14f37619 FMPT 23 I'd be interested in the Cromemco systems, but not the Daisywheel printer. Also the Zebec controller card. Shipping on the systems is liable to be a real bear, though. I take it from your phone number that you're in Colorado? Ouch... I have a Cromemco System 3 right now and I know how big and heavy that bear is. --- msged 1.99S ZTC * Origin: TechPoint (1:270/101.23) PATH: 1501/23 270/101 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:0182 14f2b120 > question is why will I get 802K expanded memory sometimes > and other > times 995K expanded memory. My RAM is untouched. Is there a > way I can > always get the 995K memory everytime I log ON? How about showing us the contents of your config.sys and autoexec.bat. The answer may be there. --- QuickBBS 2.64/O (Reg) * Origin: Atlantis BBS - Home of the Protocol Echo! (1:382/36) PATH: 382/36 6 1 265/7 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:7dbf 14f2b1c0 > work. Well my friend made it work.... WITHOUT QEMM! He said > the instructions to make it work were in the DOS (4.01) > directory. I checked it and it wasn't there. And QEMM is > 55$!!! Does anybody know how he did it! Too bad you couldn't ask your 'friend'. QEMM is an expanded memory manager. The DOS 4.01 comes with expanded memory manager XMA2EMS, etc. Or if you have a Compaq User Program Disk, the program is called CEMM. I think all you need is an expanded memory manager, and there are several out there. --- QuickBBS 2.64/O (Reg) * Origin: Atlantis BBS - Home of the Protocol Echo! (1:382/36) PATH: 382/36 6 1 265/7 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:5f88 14f2b2a0 > Can you multitask on a 8088 machine if so how? If you write a program that would swap programs to and from disk, and execute one at a time, you have it. --- QuickBBS 2.64/O (Reg) * Origin: Atlantis BBS - Home of the ProHtocol Echo! (1:382/36) PATH: 382/36 6 1 265/7 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:6c35 14f34832 4d453220 Has anyone noticed a decrease in message flow in this echo? I am getting an average of 20-30 messages per day. Is this what everyone else is getting? Scott --- Opus-CBCS 1.13 * Origin: Scott's Excellent BBS:Austin TX *HLST DS* 650mb (1:382/17.0) PATH: 382/17 35 1 265/7 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:cc7b 14f295a0 FORG 1:270/117 Actuallyay, Iay utpay aay otlay ofay atthay onay yselfmay. Comprende? .ORIGIN: 023/000 - CATHOLIC INFORMATION NETWORK #1, SAN DIEGO (619) 283-0889 --- QM v1.00 * Origin: LSS NightLine (Big Mack's) BBS HarrisbFurg, PA (1:270/117.0) PATH: 270/117 211 101 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:209f 14f295c0 FORG 1:270/117 Well, I've always wanted to get bumper stickers made with things like: . GYNECOLOGISTS KNOW WHERE ITS AT . or . AT YOUR CERVIX, WE DELIVER . However, I suppose those type of things are appropriate on a pickup truck (say from Houston or somewhere else in the Lone Star State), and all I've got is a little Chevy suburban... . Cowabunga, Dudes! .ORIGIN: 023/000 - CATHOLIC INFORMATION NETWORK #1, SAN DIEGO (619) 283-0889 --- QM v1.00 * Origin: LSS NightdLine (Big Mack's) BBS Harrisburg, PA (1:270/117.0) PATH: 270/117 211 101 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:3266 14f29620 FORG 1:270/117 >...not an athletic supporter.< . I sense (sniff) what you mean.... .ORIGIN: 023/000 - CATHOLIC INFORMATION NETWORK #1, SAN DIEGO (619) 283-0889 v --- QM v1.00 * Origin: LSS NightLine (Big Mack's) BBS HaKrrisburg, PA (1:270/117.0) PATH: 270/117 211 101 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:3263 14f29640 FORG 1:270/117 Muchisimas gracias, hombre. I'd also like the correct spelling of AMDG. I'm writing a book, and I'd like to put that in somewhere (probably some- where really tricky...), in Latin, of course. Joe Pastorek .ORIGIN: 023/000 - CATHOLIC INFORMATION NETWORK #1, SAN DIEGO (619) 283-0889 a --- QM v1.00 * Origin: LSS NightLine (Big Mack's) BBS Harrisburg, PA (1:270/117.0) PATH: 270/117 211 101 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:ed07 14f29740 FORG 1:270/117 Medically speaking, a sperm is certainly alive. However, genetically and otherwise biochemically, the sperm is not actually HUMAN. However, the sperm and egg together, AFTER FERTILIZATION, do INDEED make up a human being. Those who insist that the living "thing" produced thusly is not a human until it is born and perhaps develops some "personality" or "per- sonal worth" or something equally as nebulous are those same persons who would have us believe that we, as adult human being, are completely de- termined by our environment and experiences and therefore ARE NOT RESPON- SIBLE FOR OUR OWN ACTIONS (e.g. we murdered our neighbor because our par- ents beat us, or we raped the coed because Hugh Hefner sold us dirty mag- azines). Basically, we are only a depository for input from our environ- ment. I think this whole arguement has been used to death by the psych establishment to justify their jobs. If you have any "guilt", it's not because YOU did anything to be guilty of, it's because someone ELSE (i.e. the Church, your parents, some foolish teacher) heaped some on you against your will. Joe Pastorek .ORIGIN: 023/000 - CATHOLIC INFORMATION NETWORK #1, SAN DIEGO (619) 283-0889 --- QM v1.00 * Origin: LSS NightLine (Big Mack's) BBS Harrisburg, PA (1:270/117.0) PATH: 270/117 211 101 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:0120 14f298c0 FORG 1:270/117 The Church opposes abortion (whether by coat hanger, IUD, or whatever) as murder of innocent life. Contraception, on the other hand, is NOT seen as murder (although many people mistakenly see it as murder of sperm and egg). Actually, the Church opposes contraception because is warps,if you will, a relationship between a man and woman endorsed by God, blessed by God. If you take reproduction out of sex, so says Cardinal Ratzinger, you remove the "reference point" of the act. So sex then searches for a refer- ence and generally gravitates to a more selfish aspect, that is Pleasure. If reproduction is not in the cards, then you don't have to particularly worry about having sex with your spouse, and adult, or even someone of the opposite sex. Of course, this is just an "off the top of my head" reply. Cardinal R. says it better. Your should look him (his writing) up. Joe Pastorek .ORIGIN: 023/000 - CATHOLIC INFORMATION NETWORK #1, SAN DIEGO (619) 283-0889 u --- QM v1.00 * Origin: LSS NightLine (Big Mack's) BBS Harrisburg, PA (1:270/117.0) PATH: 270/117 211 101 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:30e4 14f385a0 > and equally effective method might be to have the key > activate a registration number in the tear line (like --- > TosScan (#311)). Would not really lengthen the messages, Haven't you heard? They don't *like* statements in the TearLine. So beneficial ideas such as yours won't fly. :-( --- D'Bridge 1.30/001770 * Origin: * ABySS BBS * WASHDC (1:109/134) PATH: 109/134 10 25 265/7 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:6d3c 14f35b01 MSGID: 1:270/611 26a5d092 Tom, Many thanks for your reply. I will order the dual standard modems and make a reccomendation we accept them as the corporate standard. John --- P/T BBS*xHST* 14.4 * Origin: ACCESS MICRO SYSTEMS Warranty Stinks (1:270/611) PATH: 270/611 211 101 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:f279 14f35b38 MSGID: 1:270/611 26a5d0fc Dan, Thanks for the reply. I will do it. John --- P/T BBS*HST* 14.4 * Origin: ACCESS MICRO SYSTEMS Warranty Stinks (1:270/611) PATH: 270/611 211 101 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:3ef5 14f2b620 > A consultant investigating our hardware requirements for a > Novell LAN has stated that the only types of micros to be > bought should have "Novell certification", and he knows > where we should buy them from. Is there such a thing as > Novell certification or is he trying to put something > over us? Yes, there is a novell certification program. Send them a machine or product, let them test it and do a tech bulletin on it, and pay for their time and you get certification. Is it always necessary or important? NO.. Almost all of the major manufacturers are Novell certified and show a little certification label in their ads. The fact is there are a lot of clones and compatibles that run novell just fine and are certified under a different name. Anything with an American Megatrends motherboard works just fine(regardless of whose label is on it), Mylex is ok, DTK is only so-so and sometimes oh-no.. Anytime a consultant recommends only a certain hardware and knows just exactly where to find it usually means there are kickbacks to the consultant and possibly he isn't very objective. That is an over simplification. There are great objective consultants but specifications should be limited to types of requisate and functional equipment leaving off brand names and dealers unless specifically asked for by the client. What I recommend for a network, 80386 machine 20mhz or higher, with 4mb of ram or more using an arcnet, ethernet, tokenring card depending on situation, with disk space to fit number of users. Now if you ask for specifics I have several brands that I like and some I don't. It all comes down to what works for you at a reasonable price that assures value. --- ConfMail V3.3 * Origin: "Livfing on Tulsa Time 69:666/802" (1:170/329) PATH: 170/329 136/601 382/1 265/7 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:54c7 14f2b800 > There is one redeeming feature on Netwire, if you know > what you are looking for and know where to get it. It > does have the latest patches, but you first have to > know about them to get them! TAPCIS will pull off the news bulletins for particular areas at a very reasonable price. These tell you what is new and important. I let TAPCIS check for area news daily, runs me about $10/month. If I get a patch or announcement that saves me 10 minutes of time it is well worth the $10.. --- ConfMail V3.3 * Origin: "Living on Tulsa Time 69:666/802" (1:170/329) PATH: 170/329 136/601 382/1 265/7 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:a757 14f2b880 >> loading (it hung also) while using the DTK Keyboard >> controller. > Sorry for interupting but are you talking about the > BIOS set or the keyboard chip and the keyboard chip > should not affect whether Novell hangs or not. Sometimes the keyboard controller plays a significant role in whether netware works or not. Although it is usually when someone runs it in a non-dedicated mode. There are Novell tech bulletins describing problems with older keyboard controllers and bios just like you said.. >> I changed the chip to Phoenix and all was OK. > This sounds as if you are talking about the BIOS. What > version BIOS are you using. You might want to contact > either your dealer or DTK to get the latest BIOS > version. I and another dealer of DTK systems have > installed several networks and not experienced any > difficulty or conflict with the DTK BIOS. There are Novell Tech bulletins warning about certain versions of the DTK bios and keyboard controllers. > Also, what version of Novell were you trying to > install? What types of drives, etc...? Usually symtoms show worst in the ELS1 arena, sometimes in ELSII, seldom in ADV or SFT.. --- ConfMail V3.3 * Origin: "Living on Tulsa Time 69R:666/802" (1:170/329) PATH: 170/329 136/601 382/1 265/7 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:597e 14f38c76 Dave, we just installed a Turbosetter 1000 Plus (the model based on the H-P Series III laserjet) and are very pleased with it so far. We are installing Archetype designer under Windows 3.0 and will install Pagemaker 3.01 so that we can use the new printer. The quality of the output is terrific: the characters are well-formed and there is very little of the overall toner "spray" that we have seen on printouts from other high-resolution printers. So far we are quite pleased with the machine. It is an excellent purchase at $ 7995! --- * Origin: Wilton Woods OPUS Wilton,CT (HST) (203)762-8481 (Opus 1:141/250) PATH: 141/250 322/1 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:7035 14f2bea0 I bought OS/2 1.1 used from someone for $100. I tried it and kinda liked it! I would like to upgrade to 1.2 now. I read in PC Magazine that the upgrade from 1.1 to 1.2 is $100? I do not have the receipt or anything, but I _do_ have all the manuals, keyboard overlays, and original disks. IBM and microsoft are punting me around ... I feel like a raquetball. Does anyone know _if_ I can upgrade? If so, HOW? Thanks mucho, Chris --- QuickBBS 2.64/O (Reg) * Origin: Atlabntis BBS - Home of the Protocol Echo! (1:382/36) PATH: 382/36 6 1 265/7 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:6f61 14f2ab5b Seems to me if the dry suit has a opening and you use it you wont be using a dry suit anymore.....kinda defeats the purpose... --- * Origin: Oak Hill General Store (Opus 1:382/34) PATH: 382/37 1 265/7 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:d1c9 14f26423 Uploaded by Wayne Roorda From news Fri Jul 13 11:21:30 1990 Path: dpscg1!dsac.dla.mil!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!ucsd!swrinde !cs.utexas.edu!yale!bunker!wtm From: GE0013@SIUCVMB.BITNET (Roy Miller) Newsgroups: misc.handicap Subject: Rendezvous At SHHH Meetings Message-ID: <12690@bunker.UUCP> Date: 12 Jul 90 21:16:50 GMT Sender: wtm@bunker.UUCP Reply-To: GE0013@SIUCVMB.BITNET (Roy Miller) Distribution: misc Lines: 24 Approved: wtm@bunker.UUCP Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference Index Number: 9098 I attended the SHHH meetings (Self Help for Hard of Hearing People) in Little Rock, Arkansas, a week ago and participated in a very special rendezvous, which I thought I would mention here on this conference. Late Saturday evening a group of people got together in a room in the Capitol Hotel and "talked" for several hours like typical keyboard junkies -- banging away on a couple of laptop computers. Although the people in the room had come from distant parts of the U.S. (New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Illinois, Oklahoma, and California), and although they were all hearing impaired to one degree or another, neither cultural distance nor deafness interfered with the communications and comradery that evening. I had not met any of the others face-to-face before that night, but had seen their posts here on this echo. It was really exciting to meet the "faces behind the words," and I loved every minute of it. Thanks for the "special rendezvous" to my CMC (and now "personal") friends - - Jack O'keefe, Ann Stalnaker, Wayne Roorda, and Frank Hicinbothem. IT WAS FUN!!!! (And maybe nexy year we can get several others to join us.) Roy Miller The Professor Who Never Listens, But Whose Eyes Hear A Lot --- Opus-CBCS 1.13 * Origin: Fingers Talk - Lawton, OK - (405) 248-1563 (1:385/14.0) PATH: 385/14 6% 382/1 265/7 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:d1c9 14f268af Uploaded by Wayne Roorda From news Wed Jul 18 11:19:51 1990 Path: dpscg1!dsac.dla.mil!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sam sung!cs .utexas.edu!yale!bunker!wtm From: cynthia@homxa.att.com Newsgroups: misc.handicap Subject: TDD for sale Message-ID: <12737@bunker.UUCP> Date: 17 Jul 90 13:51:24 GMT Sender: wtm@bunker.UUCP Reply-To: cynthia@homxa.att.com Distribution: usa Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 11 Approved: wtm@bunker.UUCP Index Number: 9136 TDD for sale!! must sell $300.00 Original price $575.00 Krown Research Porta Printer Plus Good Condition If interested - send email to Cynthia homxa!cynthia --- Opus-CBCS 1.13 y * Origin: Fingers Talk - Lawton, OK - (405) 248-1563 (1:385/14.0) PATH: 385/14 6 382/1 265/7 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:d1c9 14f268bc Uploaded by Wayne Roorda From news Wed Jul 18 11:19:53 1990 Path: dpscg1!dsac.dla.mil!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!ucsd!usc!snorkelwacker!husc6! yale!bu nker!wtm From: cynthia@homxa.att.com (Cynthia Jeffery) Newsgroups: misc.handicap Subject: Deaf/hard of hearing business owners Message-ID: <12746@bunker.UUCP> Date: 17 Jul 90 15:15:33 GMT Sender: wtm@bunker.UUCP Reply-To: cynthia@homxa.att.com (Cynthia Jeffery) Distribution: misc Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 20 Approved: wtm@bunker.UUCP Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference Index Number: 9145 Deaf/Hard of hearing Business Owners Gary L. Viall of U.S. Small Business Administration, Washington,DC and Cynthia Jeffery of New Jersey are collecting names and addresses of all deaf/hard of hearing persons who own/opearate their own businesses. The purpose of the collection is to conduct survey and research for our new book on businesses owned or operated by deaf/hard of hearing persons. Please send us your business card, names and addresses to the attention of: U.S. Small Business Administration Gary L. Viall 1441 L. NW Room 418 Washington, Dc 20416 TDD 202 653-6702 or send email to homxa!cynthia --- Opus-CBCS 1.13 * Origin: Fingers Talk - Lawton, OK - (405) 248-1563 (1:385/14.0) PATH: 385/14 6 382/1 265/7 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:d1c9 14f268d1 Uploaded by Wayne Roorda From news Wed Jul 18 11:19:52 1990 Path: dpscg1!dsac.dla.mil!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc !snorke lwacker!mintaka!yale!bunker!wtm From: cas@mtdcb.att.com (Clifford A Stevens, Jr) Newsgroups: misc.handicap Subject: Speech? Summary: Dunno? Message-ID: <12742@bunker.UUCP> Date: 17 Jul 90 15:07:55 GMT Sender: wtm@bunker.UUCP Reply-To: cas@mtdcb.att.com (Clifford A Stevens, Jr) Distribution: misc Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 26 Approved: wtm@bunker.UUCP Fidonet: Silent Talk Conference Index Number: 9141 I was in Bridgewater participating on an Affirmative Action panel, and I started talking w a HI lady. Anyway, right after we started we found we couldn't communicate very well. Since I can't sign, I thought we were outa luck. :-( She was *VERY* cute! But she surprised me! She grabbed a piece of scratch paper and started writing, then I wrote my response! That worked great! And then when someone came up we just handed them the paper and they were right up w our conversation! I can see some problems w this already! You have to be pretty good at hand writing, you have to have something to write on (ie a table and paper), and it's slow; but it sure worked well w us, so I wonder if anyone else could use it! Actually, for all I know, this is already well known! If so, I'm displaying my ignorance! (No problem, I do it all the time! :-) I also discovered a good pick-up line for a HI lady, instead of, "Gimme your number, I'll call!", use, "Gimme your adress, I'll write!". So if any of you HI ladies feel like it, my email address is below! ------------ Militant Handicapped Survivor! Cliff Stevens MT1E228 att!cbnewsj!ncas (908)671-7292 --- Opus-CBCS 1.13 * Origin: Fingers Talk - Lawton, OK - (405) 248-1563 (1:385/14.0) PATH: 385/14 6 382/1 265/7 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:d1c9 14f268e8 Uploaded by Wayne Roorda From news Wed Jul 18 11:19:53 1990 Path: dpscg1!dsac.dla.mil!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!cica!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!sam sung!uu net!ogicse!mintaka!yale!bunker!wtm From: cas@mtdcb.att.com (Clifford A Stevens, Jr) Newsgroups: misc.handicap Subject: AT&T Deaf/Hard of Hearing Network Message-ID: <12751@bunker.UUCP> Date: 17 Jul 90 15:25:50 GMT Sender: wtm@bunker.UUCP Reply-To: cas@mtdcb.att.com (Clifford A Stevens, Jr) Distribution: misc Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 18 Approved: wtm@bunker.UUCP Index Number: 9150 Deaf/Hard of Hearing Network Several colleagues and I would like to collect the names of deaf/hard of hearing employees currently working at AT&T to make new friends and for networking. Presently, approximately 125 Deaf/Hard of Hearing employees works for AT&T....need more names. Cynthia Jeffery AT&T Bell Labs Room 1M-211 Crawfords Corner Rd Holmdel, NJ 07733 201- 949-4571 TDD --- Opus-CBCS 1.13 * Origin: Fingers Talk - Lawton, OK - (405) 248-1563 (1:385/14.0) PATH: 385/14 6 382/1 265/7 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:8a7e 14f26988 Hi there, Vixen! Pardon my intrusion but as you probably remember, one of my closest friends is visually impaired. She decided to go back to school two years ago at the age of 41 (is almost finished now as this is her last year). She is a character as she is often doing the UNREAL at times. I was on the floor laughing when she told me about going to classes and having to use the stairs (she carries a cane). She stated one day she was moseying along and feeling the wall while going from ground level to second level and as she reached the 2nd level floor, she ran into a male. In fact, she said she was using her hands to feel her way around and just happened to catch this male. Talk about getting one's share of touchy feelies!!! (grinning) Our local university is not exactly accessible (something we are working on) and I was appalled when she told me she fell of one of the small bridges that are a part of the landscape. She said two fellas tried to catch her before she went over but were too late. It was not a bad fall but she had wet herself when it happened and said the fellas kept trying to help her and she said she wanted to be alone as she was more embarrassed about the wet spot on the back of her skirt than anything. My friend's coordination is not very good at this point but she's getting better. I just love her sense of humor and the way she turns everything into a joke. It also gets a little risque' at times but sure is hilarious. --- Opus-CBCS 1.13 * Origin: Fingers Talk - Lawton, OK - (405) 248-1563 (1:385/14.0) PATH: 385/14 6 382/1 265/7 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:8a7e 14f26aaa I'm sorry you couldn't make it this time, too, Fran. Perhaps you can come to the one in Denver next year. We had such a wonderful time and there were no communication barriers. Some of us do not sign but there was always someone around who could if we needed them. I have a copy of your newest Sign Friends but haven't had time to check it out. Am looking forward to doing that this weekend as well as sharing it with others here in Lawton that I know will enjoy it. Thanks for making it available for us. --- Opus-CBCS 1.13 * Origin: Fingers Talk - Lawton, OK - (405) 248-1563 (1:385/14.0) PATH: 385/14 6 382/1 265/7 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:fca8 14f26b07 WR > I'm with you on that one for sure. But there are times WR > when I wish I had the convenience and features of a laptop WR > in the size of the TDD's as was discussed in my original WR > post. WR > Dream On.... WIBNI --- Wouldn't It Be Nice If..... Maybe someday we might win the lottery! Ah...dreams! --- Opus-CBCS 1.13 * Origin: Fingers Talk - Lawton, OK - (405) 248-1563 (1:385/14.0) PATH: 385/14 6 382/1 265/7 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:8a7e 14f26bc9 In your message to me 16-Jul-90, 01:24 pm, you stated the following WR> Well what would you expect "Miss Piggy" to do when Miss WR> Anniewich was standing (stomping really) on top of "Miss WR> Piggy" with those 25" spike heels? She was just trying to WR> keep from getting poked full of holes and not drown in WR> the muddy Arkie Well, Miss Anniewich, being only 5' tall, had to do something so she could topple "Miss Piggy", especially since she was using illegal tactics. (snicker) I noticed that "Miss Piggy" was huffing and puffing...boy, sure am glad Miss Anniewich is agile! Since when did "Miss Piggy" decide boxing gloves were used in a wrestling match? Uh-huh....see! --- Opus-CBCS 1.13 * Origin: Fingers Talk - ^Lawton, OK - (405) 248-1563 (1:385/14.0) PATH: 385/14 6 382/1 265/7 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:8a7e 14f26d73 I understand, Irv. I didn't mean it the way it came out. --- Opus-CBCS 1.13 * Origin: Fingers Talk - Lawton, OK - (405) 248-1563 (1:385/14.0) PATH: 385/14 6 382/1 265/7 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:288e 14f2ae10 4d453220 On <17-Jul-90> Ken Wetz said this about that: KW> The message you refered to came from my system. But I have a question KW> for you. Both the utility you mentioned and the one Gene Mentioned are KW> suburb with Telix. The Zmodem setup works so smoothly with it. So why KW> not mention off line utilities. If the discussion was something to the effect that XYZ utility works well with Telix, or, I use the folowing SALT script to use the XYZ utility...that would be fine. However, in my opinion, the discussion started to be about the inherrent benefits of Opus Express rather than about methods of utilizing Telix with Opus Express. KW> There are echo's for the actual KW> utilities yes. But not everyone knows they do not have to stay online KW> to read and reply to mail. This is the responsibility for the SysOp. I use Opus Express on my system, and have done quite a bit of testing and debugging for Hector in discovering problems with previous versions. I also have an entire opening screen dedicated to informing users of the program and it's benefits with respect to echomail. KW> Brief mentions of the programs is ok by my book. Same here. Except when it appears as though the message is merely an advertisement for a product rather than a discussion of how it is utilized with Telix itself. KW> I also use Telix, and use a Utility that Gene Zeak wrote for it. I use Telix too (no kidding 8-), as well as a Paul Roub utility. In fact, I have a program for SysOps to reformat a nodelist into a Telix .FON dialing directory file. However, I kept my discussion of my utility to how it is utilized for Telix uses. I did not go into detail of all of it's other functions. With 30-40 messages per day in this echo, the users prefer very little off topic messages as they tend to add up and clog the echo. Anyway, thanks for your taking the time to express your opinions. I hope I have made my reasoning behind my statement clear. Regards, Steve. --- QM v1.00 * Originn: LoneStar CBCS (512) 258-3643 -=Moderator Node=- (1:382/35.0) PATH: 382/35 1 265/7 13/13 396/1 147/7 46 EID:7f1e 14f3ab28 Agreed. I won't go any further. --- QM v1.00 * Origin: Runnin' from a Laptop When I could have a CoCo? (1:147/30.70) PATH: 1091/70 147/46 EID:fb74 14f3a9ac > Guess who introduced him to it.....I (in my > extreme ignorance) brought the first trial copy of > Wildcat into OKC........ Grin........ --- QM v1.00 * Origin: Runnin' from a Laptop When I could have a CoCo? ((1:147/30.70) PATH: 1091/70 147/46 EID:b366 14f3aaf7 > YOU DON'T COUNT....... Then You don't either since I'm responsible for your mail. --- QM v1.00 * Origin: Runnin' from a Laptop When I could have a CoCo? (1:147/30.70) PATH: 1091/70 147/46 EID:b366 14f3ab14 > As I recall it was ME that wrote the original > bridge..... Who did the Interfacing? --- QM v1.00 * Origin: Runnin' from a Laptop When I could have a CoCo? (1:147/30.70) PATH: 1091/70 147/46 EID:7029 14f3ab60 >> >> > If you guys would really like all the daily >> > arrivals in THIS echo, I can send them here instead of >> > to the SDN_OKC echo. This would allow us to do away >> > with one of the local echoes, and give us more stuff >> > to wade thru in this echo. I'm sure John would not >> >> That wouldn't be in the best interests of the users. >> They seem to enjoy that echo, at least on my system. >> I say keep that there, and if the sysops want to see >> the entire description (SDA) of the file, they can get >> that echo. I'll just post the one liner blurb here >> that has the brief description of the files. One >> message from me is a lot easier to skip than four >> messages from KDSDN. Don't you agree? >> >> > > > Yes. Simple, yet carrying great meaning. (This whole message quoted just to bug Larry and Stoner and to waste disk space on everyone's machines.) ;-) Vic "All hell's broken loose and guess who's in charge... heh, heh." --- D'_Bridge 1.30/002612 * Origin: Another proud owner of D'Bridge!! (1:147/4) PATH: 147/4 46 EID:3cd5 14f3aba0 >> Anyway, I will be there. >> Consider that official! > good. > Is this official that you are confused, or official that you > are going to be there? Maybe she should be our Official Officially Confused Official. Does anyone care to second this nomination so we can bring it to a vote and make it official? Vic "All hell's broken loose and guess who's in charge... heh, heh." --- D'Bridge 1.30/002612 * Origin: Another proud owner of D'Bridge!! (1:147/4) PATH: 147/4 46 EID:5e86 14f3ae60 >> > It just occured to me that the ONLY REAL veterans of > this >> > Net are me and John Knox. >> >> Ahem. >> > > YOU DON'T COUNT....... You don't exist....... --- D'Bridge 1.30/002612 * Origin: Another proud owner of )D'Bridge!! (1:147/4) PATH: 147/4 46 EID:5d38 14f3aea0 > Guess who introduced him to it.....I (in my extreme > ignorance) brought the first trial copy of Wildcat into > OKC........ You are aware that you should be shot... --- D'Bridge 1.30/002612 * Origin: Another proud owner of* D'Bridge!! (1:147/4) PATH: 147/4 46 Derek, I am Michael Brown...I have considered this at great length and have now decided to use QuickBBS software for my first attempt at my own BBS. If you would, I have spoken to Mona (Misty) Shaver, she recommended that you might be able to point me in a good direction. I am a consultant here in the city proper, and deal at the high end of advanced data communication products, networks, gateways and the such, so I have a good technical base, I just haven't used, installed or otherwise put any great effort toward learning BBS's, and so I could most certainly use some help. If you would help me get the right software down and maybe provide me with a helpful hint or two, I would be very appreciative. Thank You - Michael P. Brown --- QuickBBTS 2.64 (Reg) * Origin: Engineering HQ of Oklahoma City (405) 946-6279 (1:147/36) JJ> Ah, you sound quite interesting, it is hard to get into JJ> detail in a message, if you are from the OKC area, you are JJ> more than welcome to give me a call, and i should do my JJ> best to enlighten you. It is really an interesting subject JJ> to me, and it has made me so happy, that i love sharing my JJ> knowledge with others.... Now Come on, how would I sound interesting? I think it's really fascinating to learn about another religion. I've studied Jehovah's Witnesses for 2 years, and I know enough to act like one. I've had people from a Baptist church (which I used to go to regularly, but still do on occasion) tell me I will get in serious trouble if I did study the JW's. I must admit, I did a few crazy things to get the job done, but I did it. You mentioned to Les in a message some time back, you asked if it was wrong for you to believe the way you do. Way I've learned about the whole deal is this, for me, whateve the person wishes to go with, it's fine with me. I'll send you a net-mail message, 'cause there's more which is a little personal. Gregorio :-) --- QuickBBS 2.64 (Reg) * Origin: Engineering HQ of Oklahoma City (405) 946-6279 (1:147/36) EID:1cec 14f38a09 > > Small world indeed! I have friends with kids just > getting out of Grandview High and others _in_ East now. > I really like it here. But then I liked OKC also, lived > there in '74 where I met my current partner. These days > the best kind of Okie to be, is a transplanted one. Once > the Oil Industry comes back to life, it won't be so bad > there, but until then ... > We're located on Scott Street in Belton; 1 Mile > south of the Waffle House on 155th. Drop in any time, we're > almost always here for some reason or another. Again Welcome > to EGGnet, feels more like home already. I heard that about Okla..... I will probably never go back unless a better job offer were to come along....I am not REALLY happy here in Memphis. It is alright but.....It has changed and I have changed soooo much since I lived here before...I'm not one for major change in any case so I may be here for a while unless like I said a BETTER job comes along....I'm currently working as a com-tech at a local hospital and just don't like the atmosphere that has swallowed the place....Oh well....Glad you feel at home....Modern technology is wonderful for bringing people that have things in common together... Later, Hays --c- Opus-CBCS 1.13 * Origin: The Melmack BBS! (1:123/28.0) PATH: 9009/4 123/17 9008/206 147/3 EID:8a13 14f2b660 MSGID: 1:137/29.3 26a52e85 REPLY: 1:321/218 26a10fc8 VR> Will some one please write m,ail to me?please? Just interrupt someone else's mail and have at it - it's all public, which means that anyone can reply. Say something outrageous, like all straights should be forced to have sex with homosexuals - you'll get mail. --- via RA/XRS 3.2 * Origin: Hide the beer, the Pastor's here! Venice, FL (RAX 1:137/29.3) PATH: 30027/3 137/29 25 9008/1000 206 147/3 EID:f04e 14f37260 MM>Welcome aboard. I trust you will lay aside our teeny tiny MM>little spat of several looooong weeks ago & let me keep MM>posting here..... Oh, sure. We're swapping NEC's right now in 9100 so it may be a few days before we get clean feeds here in Austin. later, --- RemoteAccess 0.03 * Origin: EGGNET Town Hall and Forum: No fighting or soliciting! (99:9100/12) PATH: 9100/12 6 15 37 9008/206 147/3 EID:f04e 14f37280 Yes, yes, please continue posting, and Rouster too!!!!!! :-) later, --- RemoteAccess 0.03 * Origin: EGGNET Town Hall and Forum: No fighting or soliciting! (99:9100/12) PATH: 9100/12 6 15 37 9008/206 147/3 EID:b6f7 14f3aa60 Speaking of lips, do you know how you can tell when a politician is lying to you?... ... ... ... ...When you can see their lips moving. --- QuickBBS 2.64 (Eval) * Origin: Sonic Boom ..The Best Net-EggNet (99:9100/15) PATH: 9100/15 37 9008/206 147/3 EID:9a59 14f3aa80 Nothing ventured, nothing gained vs. Better safe than sorry --- QuickBBS 2.64 (Eval) * Origin: Sonic Boom ..The Best Net-EggNet (99:9100/15) PATH: 9100/15 37 9008/206 147/3 EID:b8f4 14f3ab20 Hi, Donna. What shall we talk about? I live in Austin, Texas. I work for the local MHMR, used to be a private practice psychotherapist and a private practice lawyer. I like to play chess and mess with computers. How about you? } --- QuickBBS 2.64 (Eval) * Origin: Sonic Boom ..The Best Net-EggNet (99:9100/15) PATH: 9100/15 37 9008/206 147/3 >there's not conflict that God knew us spiritually Jimmy Then please show some harmonious scripture. Les --- QuickBBS 2.64 (Eval) * Origin: * TradeWinds, Oklahoma City, Ok. (405)728-2061 (1:147/60) PATH: 147/60 EID:1093 0220a8f2 MSGID: 1:147/34 6500be1c ELVIS Echomail Traffic History by Noel Crow - FidoNet 170/40/ Registered User Version 2.10 for John Burton - 147/34 Message count for period 7/19/90 to 7/19/90 Areas to report: LOCAL_C METROJOB OKCBBS OKCBUSS OKCINTERSYSTEM OKCPASCAL OKC_DEBATE OKC_LAN OKC_SALE REMINIS ROCK&ROLL SALECHO STATS USERHELP Nodes to report: All ----------------------------------------------------------------- Area Name Sending Node Messages ----------------------------------------------------------------- OKC_DEBATE 147/46 ......................27 1091/34 ......................4 OKCINTERSYSTEM 147/46 ......................1 USERHELP 147/46 ......................4 SALECHO 147/46 ......................10 OKCPASCAL 147/66 ......................5 STATS 147/54 ......................16 Total messages reported...............................67 --- End of report --- --- TosScan 1.00 * OXrigin: The SANDBOX -- MidWest City OK (405)736-6878 *HST* (1:147/34) PATH: 147/34 54 MSGID: 1:147/39 79921aa4 IT'S COMING!!! DON'T MISS IT!!! STILL TIME TO REGISTER!!! ******************************************************************* THE NINETEENTH HOLE BBS INVITES YOU TO SIGN UP FOR THE FIRST ANNUAL *** OKLAHOMA CITY YANKEE TRADER CHALLENGE *** Rules: Individual Play ONLY, NO TEAMS!! Only those who sign up for the Challenge will have access to the game. Dates: August 1, 1990 to midnight August 31, 1990. Play: Plays per day [3]. Time limit each play [25min]. ******************************************************************* Please, please, please, don't call if you can't take the heat from the BEST in the City. Limited number of players will be accepted. Call 946-5222, (Callback verifcation for new callers allows immediate access. Leave SysOp a message if you would like to Challenge. Rankings will be posted in the Local Games, BBS and TW echos. Why haven't you called?? --- QuickBBS 2.64 (Reg) * Origin: 19th Hole BJBS = 946-5222 "WHO KILLED MY PLANETS!?!?!? (1:147/39) PATH: 147/39 37 THANK YOU KINDLY FOR THE DOWNLOAD. BAMBI, BYE. --- QuickBBS 2.64 (Reg) * Origin: Engineering HQ of Oklahoma City (405) 946-6279 (1:147/36) EID:1093 0026107a 1076 14f34860 MSGID: 1:147/2 7993f2a2 > I believe the classes I have to have up here at > CSU are Principles of Microeconomics and Principles of > Macroeconomics. Is that anything close to your > course? > > > Gregorio :-) Exactly the same... --- FD 1.99b * Origin: TurboLink West * Running WILDCAT * OKC's Premier BBS (1:147/2) PATH: 147/2 46 EID:1093 002611ec 6e6e 14f38da0 MSGID: 1:147/2 79940cef > > Tony > Your ugly .... --- FD 1.99b * Origin: TurboLink West * Running WILDCAT * OKC's Premier BBS (1:147/2) PATH: 147/2 46 EID:dbfe 14f3b9c0 > I just tried Tlink 3.0 with Clipper and it worked fine. Of > course, Tlink 2.0 does not work with Clipper (and I still > don't understand why not). Is there any reason why I should > use Tlink 1.1 rather than Tlink 3.0...or vice versa? Any > comments? I use Tlink 1.1 for development work, but have learned (the hard way) not to release the software until it is linked with Plink. For some reason, Tlink seems to produce occasional and non-repeatable errors when placed in the customers enviornment. Several really weird bugs disappeared when the same programs were linked with Plink. --- D'Bridge 1.30/001045 * Origin: BIZ-NET, The Business Network (1:147/17) PATH: 147/17 46 EID:b0b0 14f3b9e0 > I just read an ad for something called MultiBase in DBMS > magazine. It claims to give you "true multi-user > multi-tasking capablility. Without a LAN!" > > "MultiBase is a dBase compiler that creates a powerful > multi-user environment > that loads directly from DOS...MultiBase's AutoLock freature > even turns your single-user Clipper and dBase applications > into multi-user applications > -- instantly and without recoding!" > > This sounds too good to be true! Any comments? According to their technical people, it is not quite 100% compatible .. but they are working on it. --- D'Bridge 1.30/001045 * Origin: BIZ-NET, The Business Network (1:147/17) PATH: 147/17 46 EID:1093 02242403 MSGID: 1:147/34 6496a882 > Nothing is more cruel than taking a person's life. A > person can carry on a productive life in prison. How?? By putting otherwise productive, law-abiding citizens out of the licence plate stamping business?? I think not. No, society needs to protect itself from those losers and put them out of our misery... --- TosScan 1.00 * Origin: The SANDBOX -- MidWest City OK (405)736-6878 *HST* (1:147/34) PATH: 147/34 46 EID:1093 0224f6f1 MSGID: 1:147/34 649795d5 I must say I am impressed... fairly extensive setup you have here. Hi. Names Amgine. Sysop of Parisian Dream, a TP Board in Minnesota. The reason I'm here is to see if I can get some info, and to see if you have a file I'm looking for, that I saw mentioned on the TP Board echo... The info I'd like is how to get the full-screen editor to work. I'm using TP version 6.2 (yes, I have a copy of 6.34G, but I think I'll just wait until 6.4 is finished, pollished, and released b4 upgrading...) and I have a copy of TPBEdit 3.2. I've tried using the setup program to add tpb Edit, but it doesn't seem to take. The users are not asked if they want to use a full screen editor. The file I'm looking for is the call back verifier that goes with TPB Script's on-line validater. I'll go looking for it in a minute. If it isn't available, could you drop me a line on where to get it? (either on the TPBoard echo, my BBS, or Jim's Boardroom) I'd really appreciate it... Amgine --- TPBoard 6.3 * Origin: The SANDBOX -- MidWest City, OK (405)736-6878 *HST* (1:147/34) PATH: 147/34 46 EID:9dde 14f38779 > I love learning, it is fun. Do you know a way that learning can > be unprofitable? Doug Well, not as long as its legal, I guess. Les --- KramMail v3.15 R. * Origin: The Pill Box CBCS (1:147/12.0) PATH: 147/12 46 EID:6d4a 14f2b01c > My feeling is - I try to set an example and hopefully, over time, >that example will be carried by others. > > I know it must have SOME impact cause this echo is ALOT more tame >than it used to be. Yep! alot of improvement, for awhile there I only read it for intertainment purposes when in a rare mood to see how ridiculous people would get in public. A good way to continue the trend would be for all of this echo's participants to NOT reply to really offensive messages, if ignored they will go away, by offensive I mean non constructive personal slams. Not an opposing point of view of course! we need those. PATRICK -- Via Opus Msg Kit v1.11 --- PillMail v1.13 * Origin: When I want your opin>ion, I'll beat it out of you! (1:147/12) PATH: 147/12 46 EID:c754 14f2b44a >I reckon that a properly carried out death sentence would accomplish that, >plus society wouldn't be paying this dude's way for years and years... I would make space available on death row rather quickly (lots of it)! considering the lengthy expensive stay most down there have had. I would consider the death penalty after numerous felony convictions appropriate! on the grounds they have proven to be enemies of society. Should they have the right to life while the innocent unborn do not? PATRICK -- Via Opus Msg Kit v1.11 --- PillMail v1.13 * Origin: When I want your opinion, I'll beat it out of you! (1:147/12) PATH: 147/12 46 EID:0f1b 14f2b679 >I have never heard of a jury charged with BEYOND THE SHADOW OF A DOUBT. >You and I both know that is wrong. >The charge is BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT. Mona worked around those silver tongued attorneys to long :) PATRICK -- Via Opus Msg Kit v1.11 --- PillMail v1.13 * Origin: When I want your opinion, I'll beat it out of you! (1:147/12) PATH: 147/12 46 EID:e7f9 14f39ca5 In a message of <18 Jul 90 22:34:20>, Pat Dixon writes: PD>I would consider the death penalty after numerous felony convictions PD>appropriate! on the grounds they have proven to be enemies of society. PD>Should they have the right to life while the innocent unborn do not? Excellent point! Douglas p.s. Haven't seen ya around in a while. Where ya been hidin? --- PillMail v1.13 * Origin: When I want your opinion, I'll beat it out of you! (1:147/12) PATH: 147/12 46 EID:9b85 14f3b437 > > I make > > the recommendation that we move STATS147 > > While your at it, move the checkbook as well. > We discussed this last night. Why do you bring it up now? You forget that I'm waiting too! --- QM v1.0g0 * Origin: American Fido * Zone 1 Fido Help * Fido12s/HST * (1/117) (1:147/7.0) PATH: 147/7 46 EID:d8e6 14f3b47b > Think I will leave now, and get a good seat. When you > start coming into the room, be sure to look under the > table. If I am under one, sit me up. Don't want no > one puking on me. I hope I don't find you under MY table! I don't like strange men crawling around under me! See ya tomorrow! --- QM v1.00 * Origin: American Fido * Zone 1 Fido Help * Fido12s/HST * (1/117) (1:147/7.0) PATH: 147/7 46 EID:f0b8 14f3b4fa > As of a couple of hours ago, I *think* I am back up > again. For some reason, the modem wasn't recognizing > the phone line even being there, so didn't call out, > and didn't answer the phone. Played around a bit, and > finally got it to do working again. Whoopie! It works! Would you please give me a call? We need to talk. --- QM v1.00 * Origin: American Fido * Zone 1 Fido Help * Fido12s/HST * (1/117) (1:147/7.0) PATH: 147/7 46 EID:d689 14f33568 MSGID: 1:106/992.1 14f33568 No, I don't get the picture. Why did I get a message about racism? I think you meant to forward that to someone else (yea....I thought so...). Happy trails! Jim --- TAGMAIL v2.20 * Origin: Faer Point Relay.... Katy, Tx (1:106/992.1) PATH: 8324/1 106/992 386/15 106/13 116 396/1 147/7 46 EID:3e3c 14f33a84 MSGID: 1:106/12 26a59768 Sorry about that. --- Maximus-CBCS v1.00 * Origin: The SoundingBoard BBS of Houston (713)821-4148 [HST] (1:106/12) PATH: 106/12 222 13 116 396/1 147/7 46 EID:c0ed 14f33e80 MSGID: 1:106/12 26a59ee0 The hard way to do it (and I don't think there is an easy way) would be to set up a Data Dictionary .DBF file that relates the indexes to their respective databases. When you need to know which index is open look for the DBF filename and skip to the order. The field NTX_NAME (or whatever) should be what you need. Another way could be to set up memvars with the filenames as you open the indexes. USE ACCOUNTS INDEX ABC, DEF, XYZ M_ACCT1 = "ABC.NTX" M_ACCT2 = "DEF.NTX" M_ACCT3 = "XYZ.NTX" . . . SELECT ACCOUNTS ? &"M_ACCT"+STR(INDEXORD(),1) This is off the top of my head but it seems like a way to get the job done. Bottom line is there is NO system variable to get this info. You just have to plan ahead. Bryce Giesler --- Maximus-CBCS v1.00 * Origin: The SoundingBoard BBS of Houston (713)821-4148 [HST] (1:106/12) PATH: 106/12 222 13 116 396/1 147/7 46 EID:9c61 14f34298 MSGID: 1:106/12 26a5a5a0 Also suggest you tell students to go into Options & Set Preferences and select Backup ON, this will create a backup file each time a chapter is saved. It has saved me more than once when a chapter got corrupted. The backup files have a *.$?? extension, ie: FILENAME.$HP for the chapter file backup. You can open a backup chapter either by deleting the old one or simply type in the $?? extension and it will load as is. --- Maximus-CBCS v1.00 * Origin: Thje SoundingBoard BBS of Houston (713)821-4148 [HST] (1:106/12) PATH: 106/12 222 13 116 396/1 147/7 46 EID:277d 14f331aa Yuppers, It did tickle my fancy! Susan (aka Rex) --- KramMail v3.15 * Origin: Kingdom Productions * Houston * (713)630-0553 (1:106/270.0) PATH: 106/270 131 13 116 396/1 147/7 46 EID:0161 14f35020 MSGID: 1:106/2000 26a5cd81 I am trying to put a hard drive in a 1000SL. What controllers work on it? Does it use IRQ5 for the hard drive interrupt or does it use IRQ2 like the old Tandy 1000's? Whichever it is are there some currently available controllers that work? Also does anyone have one they want to sell? The shacks answer to all of this is that they make two hard cards for this computer and which one do I want. Plese answer on this echo which I read nearly every day. Gene Reed --- Opus-CBCS 1.13 * Origin: COMM Port One *HST/DS* OPUSarchive (713) 980-9671 (1:106/2000.0) PATH: 106/2000 386/15 106/13 116 396/1 147/7 46 EID:4885 14f15c20 MSGID: 1:106/455 14f15c20 REPLY: 1:203/988.1 26a13760 ** Quoting Dave Overton to Arthur Mol ** >I got that beat. I didn't even bother to order my upgrade >till Friday the 13th, and they said 2 or 3 more weeks... That >should cheer you up! > >Dave ** End of Quote ** Or you were just gullible(SP) for believing them...HEHEH |-> -Ed --- TAGMAIL v2.30 * Origin: The Twilight Zone BBS - Houston, Tx - *HST/DS* (1:106/455) PATH: 106/455 112 116 396/1 147/7 46 EID:05bf 14f15ceb MSGID: 1:106/455 14f15ceb REPLY: 1:130/35 14eface2 ** Quoting Jean-Claude Demars to Marc Wolf ** >Actually, your getting closer. The AA lighht will be lit if >you did NOT originate the call. It does not reflect on who >is sending and who is receiving but rather who placed the call. > If your modem ANSWERED the phone, then it will have the AA >(auto answer) indicator lite. If you dialed out then the modem >will not have the AA lite as you did not answer the call. > > ** End of Quote ** Close J.C,...It does reflect who has the 14400 channel only on 14400/450 connections...Who ever has the 14440 channel has the AA light on...When there is a line reversal, it will change... -Ed --- TAGMAIL v2.30 *n Origin: The Twilight Zone BBS - Houston, Tx - *HST/DS* (1:106/455) PATH: 106/455 112 116 396/1 147/7 46 EID:7699 14f10de4 OK, guys... The consensus seems to be that Roy's idea for a moderator election with me as the neutral election judge is a good one. The rules are: 1. The nomination period has already begun and will continue through July 31. 2. The voting period will run from August 1 through August 14, inclusive. 3. I'll announce the winner (sic) and tallies on August 15. 4. Candidates must be either sysops or points (trust me, this is necessary!) 5. Nominations must be made by someone other than the nominee, although no seconds will be required. Nominations must be accepted by the nominee. 6. Vote should be sent via NetMail to me at 1:106/506.6 or, if necessary, via the echo itself. Due to NetMail delays, all are encouraged to vote early since votes received after midnight, August 14 will not be counted. 7. The voting is open to all C_PLUSPLUS echo participants. To avoid any possibility of ballot stuffing, this means that to vote, you must have posted something in the echo relating to a C++ topic other than this election during the voting or nomination periods. 8. All votes received via NetMail will be acknowledged via NetMail. I'll maintain archives of all votes received. These will be available for public inspection unless a voter explicitly requests his vote not be made public. I don't think a secret ballot is really necessary in this case and hope no one makes such a request. OK, that's it. To date, we have Roy Browning nominated. We need at least one other candidate. As a neutral judge, I can't nominate such people as Bob Jarvis, Martin Maney, Jim Nutt, David Engel, Grant deLorean, et al, but I can point out that we have (Commandant Lassard voice) many, many fine potential candidates! --- QM v1.00 * Origin: MicroFirm : Down to the C in chips (1:106/506.6) PATH: 30103/6 106/506 455 112 116 396/1 147/7 46 EID:3b26 14f11b27 In a message of , Leslie Satenstein (1:167/99@fidonet) writes: >In one of your responses to someone on ZTC versions, you mentioned that >you were evaluating vers 2.12. Is this what Zortech is shipping? Yes --- QM v1.00 * Origin: MicroFirm : Down to the C in chips (1:106/506.6) PATH: 30103/6 106/506 455 112 116 396/1 147/7 46 EID:29db 14f11b56 In a message of , Leslie Satenstein (1:167/99@fidonet) writes: >Cost to own Compiler is: >Purchase of (last product)/(time between upgrades). > >For Zortech, $130/6months = 260 per year. >For MSC 6.0 165/2.5 yrs = 65 per year. Leslie... I noticed that Programmer's Connection is selling off their available Mark Williams Let's C packages for $29. Now, Mark Williams is still in business and is available to support the existing product though no new updates will be released. Based on your equation, their rating is $29/infinity = $0/year. Are they therefore a best buy? On a more reasonable note, we could say Mix Power C is $20/2 yrs = $10/yr. What does this all mean? Nothing, really... P.S. The correct figures for Zortech, BTW, would be $90/9 months. --- QM v1.00 * Origin: MicroFirm : Down to the C in chips (1:106/506.6) PATH: 30103/6 106/506 455 112 116 396/1 147/7 46 EID:e65c 14f11c05 In a message of , Bob Jarvis (1:157/200.26@fidonet) writes: >Aw, c'mon Bob... Just imagine how much easier it'd be to coordinate >things between the two echoes if you were the moderator of both. Think >of the simplicity. Think of the clarity. Think of the power... Uh, >gee, on second thought - I think you're right. :-) Thanks, but I'll think of the phone bill instead! --- QM v1.00 * Origin: MicroFirm : Down to the C in chips (1:106/506.6) PATH:/ 30103/6 106/506 455 112 116 396/1 147/7 46 EID:7bbb 14f11c20 In a message of , Bob Jarvis (1:157/200.26@fidonet) writes: > >...post the election rules... > >Marquis of Queensbury, or New Jersey Boxing Commission? :-) Neither - WWF... --- QM v1.00 * Origin: MicroFir_m : Down to the C in chips (1:106/506.6) PATH: 30103/6 106/506 455 112 116 396/1 147/7 46 EID:ea10 14f11c40 In a message of , Bob Jarvis (1:157/200.26@fidonet) writes: >Oh, goody! Now we can get into a round of 'debugger wars'!!!! >Can we agree that both are functional and allow a programmer to debug >programs? Sure, as long as we're not talking about CodeView... :-) --- QM v1.00 * Origin: MicroFirm : Down to the C in chips (1:106/506.6) PATH: 30103/6 106/506 455 112 116 396/1 147/7 46 EID:8d46 14f14543 > Having thought a bit more on the subject of 'how to make things behave > the way I want them to and avoid unnecessary constructor and destructor > calls' I've modified the code we've been messing with to > A) Introduce the concept of 'temporary' and 'permanent' objects > B) Manage them in a fashion that cuts down on the creation and > deletion of innumerable temporaries (which my existing classes > suffer from - looks like retrofit time to me :-) > This code executes 'properly' (i.e. no unpleasant side effects), produces > correct results, and only creates/deletes a single temporary object (i.e. > it propagates the temporary and reuses it, resulting in minimal runtime > overhead). Your thoughts? Bob: You have achieved a very interesting solution to the problem, one I would not normally think of. Since I had already thought of a different method I will it post below. I tend to give the implementor as much latitude as possible thus created two different members. The first "+=" is designed for inlining but overwrites the subproducts. The second "+" creates complete temporaries with all the inherent overhead. The choice of which to use is at the programmer's discretion. Caveats: I recommend returning a value from an overloaded operator else its validity can't be tested "while (result[i++] = n1[i++] += n2[i++]);". Of course a NULL value will have to terminate the arrays, etc... Always create a copy constructor or a dummy one. Else anytime the assignment operator is overloaded you may be surprised by it being called instead. Comment out the one below and observe the output. This has turned into an excellent discussion, Roy Browning ******************************** Code follows ****************************** #include #include class A_NUMBER { private: // done like this to make it too big to return in a register long num; // or register pair char *name; public: A_NUMBER(int n, char *nm = "DEFAULT"); A_NUMBER(A_NUMBER&){} A_NUMBER operator+(A_NUMBER& a); A_NUMBER& operator=(A_NUMBER& a) {num = a.num; return *this;} A_NUMBER& operator+=(A_NUMBER& a) {num += a.num; return *this;} void print(void); }; A_NUMBER::A_NUMBER(int n, char *nm) { num = (long)n; name = new char[strlen(nm)+1]; strcpy(name, nm); } A_NUMBER A_NUMBER::operator+(A_NUMBER& a) { A_NUMBER number((int)a.num); number.num += num; return number; } void A_NUMBER::print(void) { cout << name << " = " << num << "\n"; } main() { A_NUMBER n1(1, "n1"), n2(2, "n2"), n7(7, "n7"), n14(14, "n14"); A_NUMBER result1(0, "result1"); result1 = n1 + n2 + n7 + n14; n1.print(); n2.print(); n7.print(); n14.print(); result1.print(); cout << "\n\n"; A_NUMBER result2(0, "result2"); result2 = n1 += n2 += n7 += n14; n1.print(); n2.print(); n7.print(); n14.print(); result2.print(); } ******************************************************************************* Standard Disclaimer: When solving software problems coding methods are selected to fit the task at hand. The method chosen will be determined by coding style of the programmer. All methods have side effects thus there can never be a perfect solution for any problem and there are exceptions for every rule. What is being presented here is a different coding style, it is not the "correct" method nor is it "incorrect". This post is presented in a very informal and inprecise manner. What I'm trying to exemplify is a common concept not the finer points of the C++ Langauge which will yet take years to master. --- msged 1.99S ZTC * Origin: The Fulcrum's Edge (713)350-6284 Spring, Texas (FidoNet 1:106/506) PATH: 106/506 455 112 116 396/1 147/7 46 EID:7cc7 14f19b77 Did the fact that you said that the Segate cards will not work with and MFM or RLI drive present mean that the Card will work only if it is the only DISK CARD? also I be interested how you got them working in Xenix too. Going to try again with OS/2..... Herb --- QM v1.00 * Origin: The Fulcrum's Edge ____WO'C'ing___the___Line____/\__ (713)35 (1:106/506.0) PATH: 106/506 455 112 116 396/1 147/7 46 EID:c62e 14f34b83 MSGID: 1:106/88 26a5c376 Mike Arst writes: MA> > consider treating others as you would like to be treated. MA> MA> Pretty radical stuff. What are ya trying to do, start trouble? MA> You'll upset The American Way at this rate. MA> MA> So, the same old contemptible gunk is *still* going on here, eh? MA> Plus ca change ... MA> And La meme chose to you too. Hi, Mike! How's the batch-master? Actually, I was feeling guilty for my contentious post. I shouldn't have done it. The reason for having a moderator is to avoid having admonititons flung from many directions (although I must admit, some of your best posts were your replies to old "et al"). Come on back. We need some of your wicked_edged humor. Ev --- Maximus-CxBCS v1.00 * Origin: Two Wheelers - The Bicylists' Communications Link (1:106/88) PATH: 106/88 116 396/1 147/7 46 EID:8436 14f34c5a MSGID: 1:106/88 26a5c50c Leon Franklin writes: LF> EW>...treating others the way you would like to be treated... LF> LF> I think I read that somewhere before... Nice thought that ALL of us LF> should remember....and remember... even a "FUNDIE" has rights...: ). Naaaah. Man-hating Lesbians, radical Communists and God-hating atheists maybe; but not Fundies. I mean, you gotta draw the line somewhere. Ev --- Maximus-CBCS v1.00 * Origin: Two Wheelers - The Bicylists' Communica;tions Link (1:106/88) PATH: 106/88 116 396/1 147/7 46 EID:2ad0 14f34cc7 MSGID: 1:106/88 26a5c5d6 Chris Sonnack writes: CS> Agreed. I'll add that it's interesting that in terms of creativity CS> nations are great at copying (and usually make superior copys), but CS> we got'm all beat hands down in originality! Why do you think that You're right....and you've also explained why Japanese companies are buying up our small, high-tech companies right and left. I don't know if you are aware of this but, in the last few years, they've bought hundreds of entrepreneuraial companies which were developing new technologies. If you wanna get real rich; come up with a good, original idea; start a company to develop it...and let the Japanese buy you out. I'm still not a Biological Determinist, however. I don't think that it's Japanese genetics that militates against technological originality. My perception is that there are very strong culturally-based negative sanctions against being original (or different). This is a strength, however, when it comes to Production techniques which tend to be Cooperative activities. Ev --- Maximus-CBCS v1.00 * Origin: Two Wheelers - The Bicylists' Communications Link (1:106/88) PATH: 106/88 116 396/1 147/7 46 EID:6463 14f34d8a MSGID: 1:106/88 26a