|To: Jay Appell |Date Sent: 89Nov21 at 8:51 pm |From: uucp ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From uucp Tue Nov 21 20:51 EST 1989 >From bu.edu!WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL!INFO-HAMS-REQUEST!WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Tue Nov 21 20:33:19 1989 remote from cloud9 Received: from cloud9 by es with UUCP; Tue, 21 Nov 89 20:51:00 EST Received: by cloud9.Stratus.COM (smail2.5) id AA24236; 21 Nov 89 20:33:19 EST (Tue) Received: from BU-IT.BU.EDU by BU.EDU (1.90) Tue, 21 Nov 89 16:04:47 -0500 Received: from BUITA.BU.EDU by bu-it.BU.EDU (5.58/4.7) id AA04933; Tue, 21 Nov 89 16:04:45 EST Received: from WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL by buita.bu.edu (11/17/89); Tue, 21 Nov 89 16:04:24 EST Message-Id: <8911212104.AA07795@buita.bu.edu> Date: Tue, 21 Nov 89 12:15:08 MST From: cloud9!WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL!bu.edu!INFO-HAMS-REQUEST Reply-To: bu.edu!INFO-HAMS@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL Subject: INFO-HAMS Digest V89 #914 To: INFO-HAMS@WSMR-SIMTEL20.ARMY.MIL INFO-HAMS Digest Tue, 21 Nov 89 Volume 89 : Issue 914 Today's Topics: Celebrity HAMS Listen to Mannix on your scanner Military aircraft callsigns...Eugene Balinski The "right to receive" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 21 Nov 89 03:54:57 GMT From: usc!cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!stjhmc!f1.n234.z1.fidonet.org!Jim.Grubs@ucsd.edu (Jim Grubs) Subject: Celebrity HAMS > From: 702WFG@SCRVMSYS.BITNET (bill gunshannon) > > >The newest Newsline claims that Marlon Brando has had many different > >ham calls, and that a biographer is looking for people who may have > >had contacts with him. I looked up Brando on marvin, with no results. > >He probably has a real name that he has on his license. > > Yes, Marlon Brando's call was under his real name (which I don't remember > at the moment) and if I also remember correctly, he let his US license I've been told that his original last name is Brandeaux (same pronunciation, Americanized spelling). > expire when he retired cause he settled down in Tahiti. He fell in love > with the island during the filming of "Mutiny on the Bounty" and also Hehehe. Actually he fell in love with a Tahitian, namely, the island beauty who was his love interest in that movie. Don't know if he married her, but they had a child, a boy, I believe. Incidentally, Brando played Fletcher Christian, whose descendent, Tom Christian, VP6TC, still lives on Pitcairn Island to this day. > Does anyone remeber the call signs of: > Arthur Godfrey, Clayton Moore (The Lone Ranger) K4LIB ?????? 73 de Jim Grubs, W8GRT ?????? 73 de Jim Grubs, W8GRT -- Uucp: ...{gatech,ames,rutgers}!ncar!noao!asuvax!stjhmc!234!1!Jim.Grubs Internet: Jim.Grubs@f1.n234.z1.fidonet.org ------------------------------ Date: 21 Nov 89 13:18:10 GMT From: att!cbnewsc!parnass@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Bob Parnass, AJ9S) Subject: Listen to Mannix on your scanner Dick Tracy, the square jawed comic strip detective, was well known for his 2-way "wrist radio," but aside from eavesdropping gear, real detectives use more conventional radio equipment. The readily available 'Police Call' directory lists most frequencies used by police investigators, and there are published lists of frequencies used by federal investigators, but where can you hear private detectives? ... real-life private eyes portrayed by shows like Barnaby Jones, Columbo, Mannix, Cannon, and Booker? Here is a sampling of frequencies licensed to private investigators. Although most are located in Illinois, some can be used across the country. Accident Investigation/Photography [Marengo]___________ 462.1000____call? (govt recds) Active Detective Agency [Chicago]___________ 462.7000_gm_KAC4317 (B. Parnass) " [Lockport]__________ 462.0750____KBJ789 (govt recds) Alarm Detective Systems [Aurora]____________ 956.0500____WNEO826 (govt recds) Ambassador City Wide Patrol and Detective [Chicago]___________ 464.6500____KNFC954 (govt recds) Arlington Security & Investigation [Arlington Hts]_____ 461.3000____call? (magazines) Bowman Detective_______[Illinois]__________ 151.6250_it_KA53932 (govt recds) Citywide Detective Agency [Chicago]___________ 463.8750____KNGL405 (govt recds) Confidential Investigative Consultants, detective agency? [Chicago]___________ 464.6000____call? (govt recds) Cosmopolitan Detective & Security Investigation Inc [Chicago]___________ 472.4125____call? (govt recds) Cosmopolitan Detective Svc [Illinois]__________ 151.8350____WNAB850 (govt recds) Counselers Investigations [Chicago]___________ 464.3750____call? (govt recds) " " 464.5250____call? (govt recds) Crabtree Detective Agency [Illinois]__________ 854.0375____KNGR733 (govt recds) ERS Security and Detective [Chicago]___________ 462.0500____WNDK736 (govt recds) Executive Protection and Investigation [Rockford]__________ 464.5750____call? (govt recds) Fox Detective Agency___[Geneva]____________ 151.8050____KQR253 (govt recds) Frain, Peter, Detective [USA-wide]__________ 464.5000_it_KB65210 (govt recds) Gallione Detective Agency [USA-wide]__________ 35.0400_it_KAU918 (govt recds) Gloss Guard & Investigation, security agency [Glen Ellyn]________ 42.9600____KRS985 (govt recds) Hall Security & Investigation [USA-wide]__________ 464.5000_it_KB34586 (govt recds) Hawk Detective Svc_____[Chicago]___________ 463.7000____KBJ253 (others) Hoffman Security & Detective [USA-wide]__________ 151.6250_it_WNFB266 (govt recds) Illinois Counties Detective Agency [Mt Prospect]_______ 154.6000_2w_KTS974 (govt recds) J B Detective Agency___[Chicago]___________ 463.8750____WNDP861 (govt recds) Knorok Detective Agency [Chicago]___________ 464.0500____KNCD996 (govt recds) L & H Investigations, detective agency [Chicago]___________ 463.8250____WNID281 (govt recds) " [Illinois]__________ 154.5700_2w_KB84364 (govt recds) " " 461.1000____WNHA346 (govt recds) Lake Shore Detective & Patrol Svc [Chicago]___________ 461.9000____WNJF529 (govt recds) " [Park Ridge]________ 151.9250____KWB686 (govt recds) Loop Detective Agency, PL4A [Chicago]___________ 461.6250____KNCJ930 (others) Loop Detective Agency__[Chicago]___________ 151.7450____KAS555 (govt recds) May, Victor H Investigations, detective [Chicago]___________ 462.1500____KNGF664 (govt recds) " " 466.7000_mo_KH3996 (govt recds) McGuffey Detective Agency [Crystal Lake]______ 461.1000____KNFW995 (govt recds) Northwest Security & Detective Agency, id="NWS" [Chicago]___________ 463.8750____KWP312 (B. Parnass) Ohlson Investigation, detective agency [Bloomingdale]______ 151.8650____WNGE414 (govt recds) " " 462.6750_gm_KAC4388 (govt recds) " " 472.1625____KB6458 (govt recds) " " 475.1625_mo_WID869 (govt recds) Olympic Investigation, detective agency [Illinois]__________ 151.6250_it_KA81552 (govt recds) Owl Security & Investigation [USA-wide]__________ 154.5700_2w_KB35511 (govt recds) Palen Investigations___[USA-wide]__________ 151.9250____KNAN959 (govt recds) Peays Detective Agency [Chicago]___________ 463.9250____KAO401 (govt recds) Perry, RJ, Investigations, detective [Chicago]___________ 462.7000_gm_KAD4621 (govt recds) Pinkerton Detective____[USA-wide]__________ 151.9550____KB82889 (govt recds) Professional's Detective Agency [Chicago]___________ 461.8375_2w_call? (govt recds) " " 462.7875_pg_call? (govt recds) Quality Investigations, detective agency [Chicago]___________ 461.1750____KNGZ798 (govt recds) Regional Investigato..., detective agency? [Illinois]__________ 151.6550____KNDH389 (govt recds) SBW Investigation and Security Agency [Chicago]___________ 151.6250_it_call? (govt recds) Search Security & Investigation [USA-wide]__________ 151.6250_it_KB35605 (govt recds) Security Svc & Detective [Chicago]___________ 468.8750_mo_KD7812 (govt recds) " " 468.8750_mo_WFH488 (govt recds) Shadow Investigations, PL1A [Chicago]___________ 154.5400____call? (others) Spivey Investigative, detective agency [Illinois]__________ 463.5500____KNAV680 (govt recds) Star Detective & Security Agency, Inc [Chicago]___________ 461.0750____KGZ684 (govt recds) " " 472.1625____KGZ684 (govt recds) " [Illinois]__________ 475.1875_mo_KJ9438 (govt recds) Statewide Detective____[Chicago]___________ 463.4750____KNEW974 (govt recds) Statewide Investigative Svcs [Chicago]___________ 467.7750_2w_call? (govt recds) Target Detective_______[Chicago]___________ 461.9750____KNCX870 (govt recds) Three Star Detective Agency [Chicago]___________ 461.8000____call? (govt recds) United Network Bureau, detective, heard at Western Open golf tourney, PL2A [Oakbrook]__________ 153.1100____call? (others) United Network Bureau, detective [Oakbrook]__________ 151.6250_it_KU2361 (govt recds) " " 151.9250____KTX311 (govt recds) " " 154.5400____KU2361 (govt recds) Wren Detective Agency__[USA-wide]__________ 464.5500_it_KNFF998 (govt recds) Z Intl Investigative___[USA-wide]__________ 151.9250____KNAB997 (govt recds) -- ============================================================================ Bob Parnass, AJ9S - AT&T Bell Laboratories - att!ihuxz!parnass (708)979-5414 ------------------------------ Date: 21 Nov 89 03:55:33 GMT From: cs.utexas.edu!asuvax!stjhmc!f1.n234.z1.fidonet.org!Jim.Grubs@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu (Jim Grubs) Subject: Military aircraft callsigns...Eugene Balinski > From: kaufman@Neon.Stanford.EDU (Marc T. Kaufman) > In article <8387.256772D9@stjhmc.fidonet.org> > Jim.Grubs@f1.n234.z1.fidonet.org (Jim Grubs) writes: > >> From: kaufman@Neon.Stanford.EDU (Marc T. Kaufman) > > >Wrong! For example, ALL messages on AUTODIN are encrypted for the express > purpose of denying any potential adversary the knowledge that any > messages are > >more imprtant than the others. > > You obviously have never listened to the transmissions in question. The > SAC > air frequencies (Giant Talk) are NOT encrypted most of the time. As a member of USAF MARS BST acrtivities I did more of that sort of thing than you might imagine. > - > Are you telling me that it is OK for the Russians to listen to SAC, but > - > NOT OK > - > for Americans to listen to SAC? > > >It's not OK for either. > > Right. Well, you get the Russians to stop, then maybe I'll stop. Poor excuse! Do you also apply that logic to, say, income tax evasion? Vote fraud? Shoplifting? > - > When I was a kid, we had the Communications Act of 1934, which said I > - > could > - > listen to ANYTHING, so long as I didn't use it for commercial gain. > I'm > - > certainly not going to trust YOU to decide what I can listen to! > > >You interpretation of the Communications Act is erroneous. The ECPA became > >necessary because electronic Peeping Toms abused the privacy portions of > the > >CommAct. > > Your interpretation of MY interpretation is erroneous. The act meant > JUST what > it said: You can (could) listen to ANYTHING, but you can't make > commercial > gain of it. The privacy portions of it were intended to forbid disclosure of private (as opposed to BC) information which one happened upon by chance. I do not believe the authors anticipated that a cult of people who search out such information would arise. In that sense ECPA is a correction of an omission. If the authors of the CommAct had anticipated that cult, the CommAct provisions you cite as permission would not likely exist. > >You shouldn't have to trust me. I'm not involved. It's the message > sender's > >right to say "This is none of your business." This right is protected by > the > >constitution and laws of the United States. > > Oh? Just where in the constitution does it say that? If you choose to The Bill of Rights provision forbiding unlawful search and seizure. > a message sending medium that is inherently non-selective, such as a > billboard, > what right do you have to tell me not to read it? And do you also have > the > right to tell me not to listen to, say, Radio Moscow? or Voice of > America? Both are "broadcast" media. > Facists ALWAYS believe that THEY are the keepers of the one TRUE WORD. Generous of you to admit it. 73 de Jim Grubs, W8GRT ts ALWAYS believe that THEY are the keepers of the one TRUE WORD. Generous of you to admit it. 73 de Jim Grubs, W8GRT -- Uucp: ...{gatech,ames,rutgers}!ncar!noao!asuvax!stjhmc!234!1!Jim.Grubs Internet: Jim.Grubs@f1.n234.z1.fidonet.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Nov 89 13:13 EST From: Ed Schwalenberg Subject: The "right to receive" Date: 21 Nov 89 00:24:32 GMT From: vsi1!daver!lynx!neal@apple.com (Neal Woodall) If radio waves reach into my home, then I have a right to receive and attempt to demodulate them. Where did you get this idea from? It's not in the Bible, the Constitution, the Communications Act of 1934, the ECPA, or anyplace else that I know about. It's a nice idea, it's one that I approve of, but it is NOT one of the recognized rights of society, in the USA or in any other country. Governments have the unlimited right, which they have exercised in the past and continue to exercise, to determine not only who may transmit via radio and what they may transmit and when they may transmit it and what kind of equipment and antennas they may use, and who may fix them when they break, but also to regulate the reception of radio waves (including who and when and how and with what). The various state scanner and radar-detector laws are examples, as are the ECPA and the Communications Act of 1934 and the zoning regulations of Boulder County. If you think that the government's rights in this area ought to be restricted, or the individual's rights made clearer, you should exercise your unquestioned right to petition your government for redress of grievances. However, simply declaring that you have a right to receive based on some layman's notion of the laws of trespass does not create that right. Again, let me say that I agree with the spirit of what you're saying. And I'm not picking on Neal particularly; he's one of many people in this group who have said or thought the same thing. But wishful thinking, even if it has a certain amount of moral force, is not the same as a right, God-given or otherwise. ------------------------------ End of INFO-HAMS Digest V89 Issue #914 **************************************