r Message base CABLE Subboard Msg # 64-97 (H)lp,S)ince,L)ast,G)lobal,T)o,F)rom,M)ine, text, [Q]uit)? 64+ Msg #: 64 CABLE Subboard From: STEVEN TODD Sent: 09-27-91 06:46 To: IRA HALFON Rcvd: 09-27-91 11:42 Re: (R)PAY-PER-VIEW IH>>> One advatage of PPV is you can TAPE many movies that are IH>>> otherwise "Copy protected" if you rent them! IH>> Havent you heard about the new copygard now being tested for PPV and IH>> cable? IH> I seriously doubt that will EVER happen... I feel people have a IH>right to tape any programming that they wish that they can receive... IH>Whether it be normal TV like ABC,NBC,CBS or cable services like HBO, IH>people SHOULD be able to record them... IH> And if that copygard does make it, EVERYONE will simply just get IH>pirate devices to defeat it. Let's see the FBI arrest ALL the people in IH>the USA!!!!! I think NOT! ----------------- I heard a Nasty on Beyond 2000 the other day... More <[Y],N,C,A>? c A large city, somewhere inside the United States, had itself a blast... The local cable company knew that there were folks in the city with pirated cable boxes and homebrewed connections... they didn't get MAD... They got EVEN... watch... First, they got a list of all subscribers, and replaced their cable boxes with new boxes... and then, they threw a little switch... ...which sent a high-energy pulse throughout the cable system... ...the NEW boxes had circuitry and shielding to prevent damage from this pulse... but the PIRATED boxes DIDN'T! This cable company received many irate phone calls complaining about damaged cable boxes soon after the destroying pulse was sent. No comment was made on how the company responded to these calls... I wonder if the FBI / FCC / WHOever takes care of these things was given a list of these "customers" who called... hrmmm... By the way... the cable company is now sending these pulses every so often (randomly) to prevent new pirates from having access for long. Of course, sooner or later, the pirates will get access to the modified, shielded boxes, and the company will have to take a different approach... ---------------------- I agree... if you pay to see a movie in your own home, why shouldn't you be able to tape it? The dang movie industry has made it so that you have to pay $10.00 to see a movie (a small theatre in New Orleans, where I used to go to school, was showing Paramount flicks at $0.50 per ticket... and Paramount sent them a letter saying that they were about to shut off the movie flow from Paramount to this theater... no word on how it ended...)... makes it so that we can't copy videotapes... and now wants to make it so that we can't even tape off the cable?! Look at it from THEIR point-of-view for a moment. They own the copyrights to these things. If somebody tapes one of their movies or copies a tape, it means less revenue for the company. Now, it's not enough to, like, SINK the company, but they get irked all the same. They complain to the FBI, and the FBI goes a-hunting... They hire R & D people to create new ways of preventing piracy, spending massive amounts of money on this effort... ...when they'd probably be just as well-off just not even worrying about it, considering the cost of R & D these days. They're going to get a massive box-office revenue (assuming that their release is worth watching)... and at least SOME money on videocassettes... more than enough to pay for the movie and wages of the various personnel involved... the advertising... and so on. Why should they even bother? They're GREEDY, that's why! Take that tidbit about Paramount... trying to control the price at which an independent theatre "sold" its movies... I can understand FOX theatres (a national chain) wanting to maintain fairly standard prices... but how much revenue will Paramount lose when a locally-owned, non-chain theatre shows its movies for cut-rate prices? The theatre pays the same for the right to show the movie that a higher-charging theatre would... are there royalties or some-such involved here? S. Todd --- * SLMR 2.0 * What is this key foõëñÄÏò Msg #: 65 CABLE Subboard From: STEVEN TODD Sent: 09-27-91 06:46 To: ALL Rcvd: 11-04-91 17:28 Re: VISTA COMMUNICATIONS Vista Communications is the local cable here in Choctaw County, AL... Is this a nationwide service, or are we folks in this one little area the only ones fortunate enough to have it? They have a GREAT selection of channels, compared to the other 2 systems in the area, and service is rarely disrupted (the only things that shut THIS system down are severe -- and I mean SEVERE -- thunderstorms and fallen poles/trees that break the cable). When it IS disrupted, the technician for our area gets it fixed within 2 hours... and that's GOOD, considering that at least part of that time is spent waiting for the power company to clear fallen electric wires or for the storm to blow over. The cost? About $22/month ($20/month for 1 linkage -- we have two in this house). CNN... HeadLine News... the Big 3 networks... TDC, FOX, WGN-Chicago, TBS, TNT, TNN, ESPN, USA, QVC, A&E, PBS, NICK, MTV... and a few other channels like BET, VISN (a religious channel), a business channel... not bad for $22/month! Later... --- * SLMR 2.0 * Happiness is connecting on the first try. Msg #: 66 CABLE Subboard From: STEVEN TODD Sent: 09-27-91 06:46 To: JACQUELINE MAYTON Rcvd: 10-29-91 05:25 Re: (R)PAY-PER-VIEW JM>IF it's used privately for MY use ONLY and I DON'T charge a fee for JM>others to watch it, then I'm NOT breaking the copyright law. Good point, here... ever notice the little ditty played during each televised major-league baseball game? "No reproduction of the televised images or accounts within FOR REBROADCAST without the express written consent of Major League Baseball..." You can tape 'em, but you can't charge for 'em! JM>What is MacroVision?! Haven't heard of it. JM>About Cable prices in general......I know quite a few people in my areai JM>who complain about the cable prices rising every year. It went from JM>$11.00 one year to 14.95 the next, then a few months later, it changed JM>to $16.00....Our cable service covers MOST of the county < about 15,000 JM>to 20,000 residents plus the hospitals, nursing homes, etc> Vista just went up by $2/month... so they could expand their service into new parts of the county... people in JM>the area, but...figure in HBO, Max, Prism, Disney into that What's PRISM? Sounds INTERESTING (and, probably, NOT AVAILABLE here!)... S. Todd --- * SLMR 2.0 * Telephone Tag - The Sport of the Future... Msg #: 68 CABLE Subboard From: MICHAEL MAY Sent: 09-27-91 21:16 To: STEVEN TODD Rcvd: 09-27-91 22:36 Re: (R)PAY-PER-VIEW This just in........... From TVRO Dealer Sep 1991 Independent research indicates that an unprotected PPV service is a pillaged service. N.Y.-based Schulman, Ronca & Bucuvalas (SRB) said 41% of all VCR owners have tried to copy pre-recorded videocaS<1Ýwwwwwww÷vIÚÎý‘¿z\éHV³•óOÏÌk´Î=ð×!Á `Í+’Åv±æcp×­S×jî£3îhPA¨x‡n!~ºjõ§Û]ɧÑÉ‹$ˆµd‘c@Ú[gZª'ð¿6Îé©ìgß @…p\šºvÙ<¡­¹S©Æ½¾ƒâÆ÷H÷xŸ E?XC)FÌïíûsZ€¡¯æÙ†áô÷-ÀYsô84Yz)v%¢…Ë;ï\ ƒÔé.‡ç~Ê#C`#Cýs, neighbors or relatives; 26 million households have 267 million illegal copies of pre-recorded videocassettes in their libraries - an inventory valued at $5 billion (retail); and the value of all lost sales and rentals is $500 million per year. The new copy protection system is called Eidak. This system is unlike Macrovision used on tapes. (when you copy a Macrovision tape you get a tape that has bright and dim spots in it) The Eidak copy-protection method varies the field rate so that synchronization is upset and the video signal is distorted. The effect on playback is "snow" and on-screen artifacts caused by non-synchronized head switching and other video distortions. Assessing the Damage Altho most VCR owners believe it is illegal to make a copy, nearly half 49% of those who consider it illegal would not have made their most recent purchase if they could have copied the tape from a rental. My comments::::: At this time it is not clear what copy protection will be used but since decoders are easy to get for macrovison and none exist for Eidak I would think that Eidak will show up on a lot of services. And if it works well on PPV it will show up on HBO as well. If people don't want copy protection then they should stop admitting to surveyors that they copy pay programing! --- * SLMR 2.0 * -------------------<<<<< Lets TAG IT More <[Y],N,C,A,H,R,T,M,=,+,->? Jvx˜þ€æ`s0à?˜†† Ϙæf™æø€à˜àx<þæfÌfƒæ`†äžþ昆æðžøàþž€~üøÀø~žž`Ï~xxðææÀà€þ&àfàž˜`†ø€þ0†~ø˜€žž~°ff›þ˜æþ€€p p€`˜Ãž†þæxOÌø~~C?󞀆fÌàð&`3æ~~ø€~`üøžþ˜†ææžæ†žþøæø†`~àžøø8c<ÿfþ‡f0xφþ>~Æÿüx3à8` xþfgó<Àþ`Ìó~Ìžæàü†8€žfž~Ïxþ~Ά~€†˜|?Ά~†xÇxy<‡xy>Çxy™˜˜æ`3˜xø˜þf0~ð昀æ€sü€x03~Àö Msg #: 69 CABLE Subboard From: MICHAEL MAY Sent: 09-27-91 21:16 To: STEVEN TODD Rcvd: 09-27-91 22:37 Re: (R)PAY-PER-VIEW ST|°>Good point, here... ever notice the little ditty played during each |°>televised major-league baseball game? "No reproduction of the televised |°>images or accounts within FOR REBROADCAST without the express written |°>consent of Major League Baseball..." ST|°>You can tape 'em, but you can't charge for 'em! That is only for that game and if the game is being retransmitted over the air then it falls under different rules than Pay TV. The courts have ruled that you can tape over the air Tv no matter what warning is displayed. JM >the area, but...figure in HBO, Max, Prism, Disney into that ST|°>What's PRISM? Sounds INTERESTING (and, probably, NOT AVAILABLE |°>here!)... More <[Y],N,C,A>? PRISM must be a local service since it is not being retransmitted via satellite. At least under that name. --- * SLMR 2.0 * When your argument is weak atack their spelling. More <[Y],N,C,A,H,R,T,M,=,+,->? Msg #: 70 CABLE Subboard From: JACQUELINE MAYTON Sent: 09-27-91 21:54 To: STEVEN TODD Rcvd: 09-27-91 22:37 Re: (R)PAY-PER-VIEW I'd rather pay $1.50 to rent a tape and $2.49 for a blank one and copy it IF I had another VCR.....I don't, so I can't do that...I wait till it comes on TV and have my parents tape it for me More <[Y],N,C,A,H,R,T,M,=,+,->? Msg #: 71 CABLE Subboard From: JACQUELINE MAYTON Sent: 09-27-91 21:57 To: STEVEN TODD Rcvd: 09-27-91 22:37 Re: (R)PAY-PER-VIEW Prism is like HBO and Cinemax....... My parents do a lot of taping during the free weekends they have 2-3 times a year on those channels..... /s More <[Y],N,C,A,H,R,T,M,=,+,->? Msg #: 72 CABLE Subboard From: STEVEN TODD Sent: 09-28-91 08:05 To: MICHAEL MAY Rcvd: 09-28-91 22:05 Re: (R)PAY-PER-VIEW MM>ST|°>You can tape 'em, but you can't charge for 'em! MM> That is only for that game and if the game is being retransmitted over MM> the air then it falls under different rules than Pay TV. The courts MM> have ruled that you can tape over the air Tv no matter what warning MM> is displayed. Yeah, but can you charge for others to view that tape... or copy the tape and sell it (e.g. taping World Series games and selling copies of those tapes for profit)? S. Todd --- * SLMR 2.0 * Paronomasia! Deduce: de Lowest Card in de Deck More <[Y],N,C,A,H,R,T,M,=,+,->? Msg #: 73 CABLE Subboard From: RICK ROBINSON Sent: 09-30-91 17:47 To: STEVEN TODD Rcvd: 09-30-91 20:28 Re: (R)PAY-PER-VIEW ST>IH>>> One advatage of PPV is you can TAPE many movies that are ST>IH>>> otherwise "Copy protected" if you rent them! ST>IH>> Havent you heard about the new copygard now being tested for PPV and ST>IH>> cable? ST>IH> I seriously doubt that will EVER happen... I feel people have a ST>IH>right to tape any programming that they wish that they can receive... ST>IH>Whether it be normal TV like ABC,NBC,CBS or cable services like HBO, ST>IH>people SHOULD be able to record them... ST>IH> And if that copygard does make it, EVERYONE will simply just get ST>IH>pirate devices to defeat it. Let's see the FBI arrest ALL the people in ST>IH>the USA!!!!! I think NOT! ST>----------------- ST>I heard a Nasty on Beyond 2000 the other day... More <[Y],N,C,A>? ST>A large city, somewhere inside the United States, had itself a blast... ST>The local cable company knew that there were folks in the city with ST>pirated cable boxes and homebrewed connections... they didn't get MAD... ST>They got EVEN... watch... ST>First, they got a list of all subscribers, and replaced their cable ST>boxes with new boxes... and then, they threw a little switch... ST>...which sent a high-energy pulse throughout the cable system... ST>...the NEW boxes had circuitry and shielding to prevent damage from this ST>pulse... but the PIRATED boxes DIDN'T! ST>This cable company received many irate phone calls complaining about ST>damaged cable boxes soon after the destroying pulse was sent. No ST>comment was made on how the company responded to these calls... ST>I wonder if the FBI / FCC / WHOever takes care of these things was given ST>a list of these "customers" who called... hrmmm... ST>By the way... the cable company is now sending these pulses every so ST>often (randomly) to prevent new pirates from having access for long. Of More <[Y],N,C,A>? ST>course, sooner or later, the pirates will get access to the modified, ST>shielded boxes, and the company will have to take a different ST>approach... ST>---------------------- ST>I agree... if you pay to see a movie in your own home, why shouldn't you ST>be able to tape it? The dang movie industry has made it so that you ST>have to pay $10.00 to see a movie (a small theatre in New Orleans, where ST>I used to go to school, was showing Paramount flicks at $0.50 per ST>ticket... and Paramount sent them a letter saying that they were about ST>to shut off the movie flow from Paramount to this theater... no word on ST>how it ended...)... makes it so that we can't copy videotapes... and now ST>wants to make it so that we can't even tape off the cable?! ST>Look at it from THEIR point-of-view for a moment. They own the ST>copyrights to these things. If somebody tapes one of their movies or ST>copies a tape, it means less revenue for the company. Now, it's not ST>enough to, like, SINK the company, but they get irked all the same. ST>They complain to the FBI, and the FBI goes a-hunting... They hire ST>R & D people to create new ways of preventing piracy, spending massive ST>amounts of money on this effort... More <[Y],N,C,A>? c ST>...when they'd probably be just as well-off just not even worrying about ST>it, considering the cost of R & D these days. They're going to get a ST>massive box-office revenue (assuming that their release is worth ST>watching)... and at least SOME money on videocassettes... more than ST>enough to pay for the movie and wages of the various personnel ST>involved... the advertising... and so on. ST>Why should they even bother? They're GREEDY, that's why! ST>Take that tidbit about Paramount... trying to control the price at which ST>an independent theatre "sold" its movies... I can understand FOX ST>theatres (a national chain) wanting to maintain fairly standard ST>prices... but how much revenue will Paramount lose when a locally-owned, ST>non-chain theatre shows its movies for cut-rate prices? The theatre ST>pays the same for the right to show the movie that a higher-charging ST>theatre would... are there royalties or some-such involved here? ST>S. Todd ST>--- However, one thing occurs to me. What about the VCR and Cable Ready TV that I have plugged directly into the cable (which for da**ed sure IS legal). Are they going to pay for the damage when their electronic pulse is unable to distinquish between a 250.00 cable box and 2500.00 worth of video gear? Hmmmmmm, another case for Judge Wopner. --- þ SLMR 2.0 þ WWhhaatt ddooeess DDUUPPLLEEXX mmeeaann?? Msg #: 74 CABLE Subboard From: WESLEY JONES Sent: 10-01-91 00:06 To: RICK ROBINSON Rcvd: 10-01-91 18:28 Re: (R)PAY-PER-VIEW RR>However, one thing occurs to me. What about the VCR and Cable Ready TV that RR>have plugged directly into the cable (which for da**ed sure IS legal). Are RR>they going to pay for the damage when their electronic pulse is unable to RR>distinquish between a 250.00 cable box and 2500.00 worth of video gear? RR>Hmmmmmm, another case for Judge Wopner. Or it could be a way to get that big screen TV you always wanted! --- þ SLMR 2.0 þ I [] My Dog. I [] My Cat. Msg #: 75 CABLE Subboard From: STEVEN TODD Sent: 10-01-91 07:02 To: RICK ROBINSON Rcvd: 10-01-91 18:28 Re: (R)PAY-PER-VIEW RR>However, one thing occurs to me. What about the VCR and Cable Ready TV that RR>have plugged directly into the cable (which for da**ed sure IS legal). Are RR>they going to pay for the damage when their electronic pulse is unable to RR>distinquish between a 250.00 cable box and 2500.00 worth of video gear? RR>Hmmmmmm, another case for Judge Wopner. Heh, heh... I suppose they had some sort of shielding adapter for THAT situation... I HOPE they did...!! S. Todd --- þ SLMR 2.0 þ NEWS FLASH 2001! Next week, Rocky XXVI will be released. Msg #: 76 CABLE Subboard From: MICHAEL MAY Sent: 10-02-91 18:22 To: RICK ROBINSON Rcvd: 10-02-91 21:36 Re: (R)PAY-PER-VIEW RR|°>However, one thing occurs to me. What about the VCR and Cable Ready TV tha |°>have plugged directly into the cable (which for da**ed sure IS legal). Are |°>they going to pay for the damage when their electronic pulse is unable to |°>distinquish between a 250.00 cable box and 2500.00 worth of video gear? |°>Hmmmmmm, another case for Judge Wopner. Well that's not really what they did the system was using addressable descramblers. Some people had modified addressable descramblers, so the cable company sent out a signal that reprogrammed the memory in the modified boxes. I am not sure if it erased the software or just changed it so it wouldn't work. One of the scare tatics Cables uses is to make it sound very frightening to break the law. They will also run adds in the paper telling you that their van can drive down the road and detect extra cable hookups and illegal connections but it cant. Sometimes they will actuality take one of there vans and bolt a dummy microwave dish on it and drive around town. At the same time there will be adds in the paper telling you to turn in your illegal boxes before they find you. Strange thing is that these scare tatics really work great everytime they do it a lot of people turn in a lot of boxes. --- * SLMR 2.0 * How do you spell Floppy? Msg #: 77 CABLE Subboard From: RICK ROBINSON Sent: 10-02-91 21:35 To: WESLEY JONES Rcvd: 10-02-91 22:10 Re: (R)PAY-PER-VIEW WJ>RR>However, one thing occurs to me. What about the VCR and Cable Ready TV th WJ>RR>have plugged directly into the cable (which for da**ed sure IS legal). Ar WJ>RR>they going to pay for the damage when their electronic pulse is unable to WJ>RR>distinquish between a 250.00 cable box and 2500.00 worth of video gear? WJ>RR>Hmmmmmm, another case for Judge Wopner. WJ>Or it could be a way to get that big screen TV you always wanted! WJ>--- Yes, however, picking up the glass off the living room floor is not a side benefit in my opinion. rick --- þ SLMR 2.0 þ Test message...... el gnore ill sender! Msg #: 78 CABLE Subboard From: RICK ROBINSON Sent: 10-02-91 21:35 To: STEVEN TODD Rcvd: 10-03-91 00:07 Re: (R)PAY-PER-VIEW ST>RR>However, one thing occurs to me. What about the VCR and Cable Ready TV th ST>RR>have plugged directly into the cable (which for da**ed sure IS legal). Ar ST>RR>they going to pay for the damage when their electronic pulse is unable to ST>RR>distinquish between a 250.00 cable box and 2500.00 worth of video gear? ST>RR>Hmmmmmm, another case for Judge Wopner. ST>Heh, heh... I suppose they had some sort of shielding adapter for THAT ST>situation... I HOPE they did...!! ST>S. Todd ST>--- And if you believe that, I have some swampland in Arizona you can buy-- cheap. If you use the cable company in this area, then you would really revise that opinion. This bunch is sooooo stuuupid. (just like dragons). It took them seven months to figure out that all of the filter elements at the local distrubition box had blown. Only after I had made two calls a day for three months and threatened to present the case to circuit court. And then, they only did it because their franchise was up for renewal. Their favorite response when you call them to report trouble is: (a) Are you sure?, and (b) Are you sure the trouble isn't in your set? They tried to tell me that my problem was in my set (I couldn't get cable channels 2-6). Except that two of the sets were less than six months old, the other one was about three years old, and both VCR's were less than a year old. Funny thing that all of those could develop the exact same trouble at the exact same time. --- þ SLMR 2.0 þ CompuTerms! ROM: Capital of Italy. Msg #: 79 CABLE Subboard From: STEVEN TODD Sent: 10-03-91 06:30 To: RICK ROBINSON Rcvd: 10-06-91 19:24 Re: (R)PAY-PER-VIEW RR>ST>Heh, heh... I suppose they had some sort of shielding adapter for THAT RR>ST>situation... I HOPE they did...!! RR>And if you believe that, I have some swampland in Arizona you can buy-- chea RR>If you use the cable company in this area, then you would really revise that RR>opinion. This bunch is sooooo stuuupid. (just like dragons). It took the RR>seven months to figure out that all of the filter elements at the local RR>distrubition box had blown. Only after I had made two calls a day for three RR>months and threatened to present the case to circuit court. And then, they RR>only did it because their franchise was up for renewal. Their favorite RR>response when you call them to report trouble is: (a) Are you sure?, and (b RR>Are you sure the trouble isn't in your set? The company I use: "Where are you...? OK... what's your name? OK, the technician is on the way to fix it... it should take xx hours/minutes... thanks for calling!" I love their attitude, and the repair-time estimates aren't bad, either. The longest this service has been out at any one time (since I subscribed) was around 6 hours, and that was only because the repairmen had to wait for a nasty storm to vacate the area. RR>They tried to tell me that my problem was in my set (I couldn't get cable RR>channels 2-6). Except that two of the sets were less than six months old, t RR>other one was about three years old, and both VCR's were less than a year ol RR>Funny thing that all of those could develop the exact same trouble at the ex RR>same time. Yikes... perhaps someone should investigate this company and see just how much experience they have with the system they're using. You're not paying 'em to treat you like an idiot every time you make a complaint. I am happy to say that the company I subscribe to has a "service-oriented" attitude. They WANT to satisfy their customers... but... they have just raised the rate (on this one bill? I don't know) by three MORE dollars. $9.00 was for "service". I suppose reconnecting the cable in Lisman, AL several times this month after 1) a severe storm (lightning strike knocked it out) 2) another storm (apparently it disconnected the main cable) and 3) tree falling on the cable, cutting it into Two Pieces would qualify as service. I watched (and slightly aided) the cable technician while he was installing our cable... and I can see why they would get high wages... their job is DANGEROUS!!! If you don't get blown out of a tree/off a light pole, you might get garotted by the cable when a flying vehicle comes down the road! Wow... I had NO idea how tough their job is until I actually saw it (our case WAS, however, extra-difficult, since the tech had to weave the cable through a tree in order to get us connected!). Sorry to hear that the company you use has such a lousy attitude towards their clients. S. Todd --- þ SLMR 2.0 þ NEWS FLASH 2001! Cray Y-MP declared obsolete... Msg #: 81 CABLE Subboard From: MICHAEL MAY Sent: 10-04-91 23:35 To: STEVEN TODD Rcvd: 10-05-91 00:20 Re: (R)PAY-PER-VIEW ST|°>would qualify as service. I watched (and slightly aided) the cable |°>technician while he was installing our cable... and I can see why they |°>would get high wages... their job is DANGEROUS!!! If you don't get |°>blown out of a tree/off a light pole, you might get garotted by the |°>cable when a flying vehicle comes down the road! Wow... I had NO idea |°>how tough their job is until I actually saw it (our case WAS, however, |°>extra-difficult, since the tech had to weave the cable through a tree in |°>order to get us connected!). ST|°>Sorry to hear that the company you use has such a lousy attitude towards |°>their clients. Well the power company's job is much more Dangerous than cable wiring. And I don't think CABLE installers get high wages Cable keeps most of what you pay for installation and service. I am a Licensed Tv Technician and the CABLE installers I have seen know nothing of electronics, when there is a problem someone is called in from another town to tell them what to do. They give them a simple course in running wires from the poll into the house. I have had several arguments with them when there was nothing wrong with the customers set and they didn't want to fix the cable. Just think if the power company used the same rules as CABLE does you would have to $5.00 a month for each extra AC outlet in your home. According to Consumer Reports most CABLE service is lousy. What CABLE co do you have? They must either have a new system or be competing with another cable system. --- þ SLMR 2.0 þ Today is Thu at the tone the time will be 11:18 am Msg #: 82 CABLE Subboard From: JACQUELINE MAYTON Sent: 10-04-91 23:52 To: THOMAS STEELE Rcvd: -NO- Re: (R)PAY-PER-VIEW I don't know what those people thought.. A couple years back, I heard of a VCR that would Descramble HBO, Cinemax, etc.....so that you could record off those channels... I can't remember what the name of the VCR was.... Maybe they didn't think the general user of the VCRs wouldn't know how to use the record feature... My 5 yr old son KNOWS what to push to record something! At first, it was accidental recordings..till he figured out what he was doing... This kid is TOO smart for his own good! Msg #: 83 CABLE Subboard From: STEVEN TODD Sent: 10-05-91 07:47 To: MICHAEL MAY Rcvd: 10-06-91 23:52 Re: (R)PAY-PER-VIEW MM> Well the power company's job is much more Dangerous than cable wiring. MM> And I don't think CABLE installers get high wages Cable keeps most of MM> what you pay for installation and service. I am a Licensed Tv Technician MM> and the CABLE installers I have seen know nothing of electronics, MM> when there is a problem someone is called in from another town to tell MM> them what to do. They give them a simple course in running wires from the MM> poll into the house. I have had several arguments with them when there MM> was nothing wrong with the customers set and they didn't want to fix the MM> cable. Apparently Vista gives their technicians more training... I don't think they have personnel just to install cables. The customer support personnel (and technicians) show a good attitude towards the cable consumers here. MM> Just think if the power company used the same rules as CABLE does you MM> would have to $5.00 a month for each extra AC outlet in your home. Good grief... their rates are bad enough as-is... don't give them any ideas!!! :-) MM> According to Consumer Reports most CABLE service is lousy. MM> What CABLE co do you have? MM> They must either have a new system or be competing with another MM> cable system. We subscribe to Vista Communications -- the only cable system in this area! The nearest major city (Meridian, MS) is "ruled" by ComCast... Vista has been here for about 2-1/2 years and I've heard no complaints from any of my 5 relatives who subscribe to it. Later... S. Todd --- þ SLMR 2.0 þ Paronomasia! Paralyze: Two Untruths Msg #: 84 CABLE Subboard From: IRA HALFON Sent: 10-07-91 09:00 To: MICHAEL MAY Rcvd: 10-07-91 22:08 Re: (R)PAY-PER-VIEW Scare tatics??? Yea our cable company does them... ALL THE TIME.. I don't know how well it works, but it does get annoying! I wish they would spend more time trying to keep their signal strength (sp?) up or getting some new channels instead of scaring everyone however.... Msg #: 85 CABLE Subboard From: MICHAEL MAY Sent: 10-07-91 22:07 To: STEVEN TODD Rcvd: 10-17-91 21:16 Re: (R)PAY-PER-VIEW ST|°>We subscribe to Vista Communications -- the only cable system in this |°>area! The nearest major city (Meridian, MS) is "ruled" by ComCast... |°>Vista has been here for about 2-1/2 years and I've heard no complaints |°>from any of my 5 relatives who subscribe to it. Well 2 1/2 years is a new system you wont see any problems with service or outages until it gets about 10 years old. If the CABLE deregulation bill goes through everyone will see service as good as yours. --- * SLMR 2.0 * Today is Mon at the tone the time will be 11:45 pm Msg #: 87 CABLE Subboard From: IRA HALFON Sent: 10-09-91 08:03 To: MICHAEL MAY Rcvd: 10-09-91 09:23 Re: (R)PAY-PER-VIEW > If the CABLE deregulation bill goes through everyone will see > service as good as yours. Please let this be TRUE... My cable company's middle name is PROBLEMS! Msg #: 88 CABLE Subboard From: MICHAEL MAY Sent: 10-11-91 09:12 To: IRA HALFON Rcvd: 10-15-91 08:35 Re: (R)PAY-PER-VIEW MM|°>> If the CABLE deregulation bill goes through everyone will see |°>> service as good as yours. IH|°> Please let this be TRUE... My cable company's middle name is |°>PROBLEMS! At this time it looks like it will pass but Bush is threating a veto. --- * SLMR 2.0 * Cross channeling power to shields. Msg #: 89 CABLE Subboard From: JACQUELINE MAYTON Sent: 10-11-91 18:17 To: MICHAEL MAY Rcvd: 10-11-91 22:04 Re: (R)PAY-PER-VIEW > At this time it looks like it will pass but Bush is threating a veto. > --- Yeah, BUSH will veto anthing that helps those who bust their butts for min wage! Msg #: 91 CABLE Subboard From: JACQUELINE MAYTON Sent: 10-13-91 17:54 To: HENRY TOBER Rcvd: 10-14-91 16:19 Re: (R)PAY-PER-VIEW > Well my 3 and 4 year olds have learned to do everything BUT record. I > don't know how amny times I have woken up during the weekend to find > them already up and watching some cartoon tape. Sigh....:) well, i understand that one. I solved that one. I told them that they couldn't go down stairs till I was awake and IF I caught them downstairs when I woke up, they wouldn't have the VCR for 1 week. So far, it's worked....They now come in my room and wake me up so that they can go downstairs. I hate getting up early on Saturday Mornings.....I'd rather sleep all day..... Msg #: 92 CABLE Subboard From: HENRY TOBER Sent: 10-14-91 16:19 To: JACQUELINE MAYTON Rcvd: 10-14-91 19:03 Re: (R)PAY-PER-VIEW Well that sound like a good idea. We also had a problem with the fact that they liked to eat while wtching cartoons so they would grab their cereal boxes and munch down half a box before we would get downstairs. We were able to curb that problem, though. We'll have to try that 1 week trick. Thanks! Msg #: 93 CABLE Subboard From: JACQUELINE MAYTON Sent: 10-14-91 19:03 To: HENRY TOBER Rcvd: 10-21-91 00:00 Re: (R)PAY-PER-VIEW My kids do that as soon as they come home from school before I can get a chance to get supper started...... I work until 5pm and by the time I get home from picking them up, its 5:30..... we don't usually have supper till something like 7pm.... rough....... Now to solve the coming home from school munchies....any ideas Msg #: 94 CABLE Subboard From: IRA HALFON Sent: 10-15-91 08:35 To: MICHAEL MAY Rcvd: 10-15-91 10:24 Re: (R)PAY-PER-VIEW > MM|°>> If the CABLE deregulation bill goes through everyone will see > |°>> service as good as yours. > > IH|°> Please let this be TRUE... My cable company's middle name is > |°>PROBLEMS! > > At this time it looks like it will pass but Bush is threating a veto. Well if Bush wants to be relected next year, he better not veto it! As for good ol'e US CABLEVISION, we've only gotten these "brief" service interruptions for the last 2 weeks every morning! Msg #: 95 CABLE Subboard From: MICHAEL MAY Sent: 10-20-91 12:42 To: ALL Rcvd: 11-02-91 09:13 Re: HBO HAS LOST CASE Dawson Wins Suit Against HBO ----------------------------- Chuck Dawson President of Home Theater TV was awarded $5000,000 in actual and punitive damages in a judgement against Home Box Office Inc. for interfering with a 1985 pay-per-view contract. The case involved pay-per-view rights for a 1985 fight between Larry Homes and Leon Spinks. HBO interfered with a valid contract to sell the fight to Satellite Dish owners The original suit, filled in 1986 also included Paramount and Universal under antitrust and conspiracy charges for refusial to sell movies to Satellite Dish owners via anyone but HBO or Showtime. The two studios settled privately with Dawson without a financial award in 1987. The final hearing was based only on two points: interference with the pay-per-view contract and malicious intent to do so. Dawson claims there is a "black-out" that prevents the home dish market from getting fight rights. "In this particular instance we had a contract," Dawson said "Now we know for a fact that HBO interfered with that contract and got it pulled". Dawson had advertised for the fight but when HBO saw the adds Don King was told by HBO to pull the rights. -*-DESKTOP V6-*- --- * SLMR 2.0 * Satellite TV is Wireless CABLE with better service Msg #: 97 CABLE Subboard From: JACQUELINE MAYTON Sent: 11-01-91 20:03 To: HENRY TOBER Rcvd: 11-02-91 00:25 Re: (R)PAY-PER-VIEW I don't have junk food in the house as a rule. but..with Halloween and Other Holidays, well.....rules tend to get laxxed a bit. My kids are very active. they can't be still long enough to do anything, except for when it comes to playing games on the computer, watching something really great on the VCR... They usually munch out on Cereal or something like that. Atleast it's something nutrional, right..... Joining linked conference HAM Checking Users... Welcome to HAM Subboard Loading messages. Msg #: 95 HAM Subboard From: DENNIS BAER Sent: 11-03-91 19:54 To: CANDY PETTEYS Rcvd: 11-04-91 14:58 Re: (R)PASSED! Hi Candy Congratulations on passing your amateur radio test. Let me know if you operate packet. My packet address is wa2utv @ n2bqf. Enjoy and do well. Dennis Msg #: 96 HAM Subboard From: ROB KOPPERT Sent: 11-04-91 00:29 To: DENNIS BAER Rcvd: -NO- Re: (R)PASSED! Hi Dennis...I haven't been on packet for a week now...need to get interfaced with my ancient Icom 211. Thought I'd tell you. 73's Rob N0NGZ @ K0CNM Msg #: 97 HAM Subboard From: CANDY PETTEYS Sent: 11-05-91 03:25 To: DENNIS BAER Rcvd: -NO- Re: (R)PASSED! DB>Hi Candy DB>Congratulations on passing your amateur radio test. Let me know if you DB>operate packet. My packet address is wa2utv @ n2bqf. DB>Enjoy and do well. Thanks...I got my call sign..it is N2OKA.. --- þ SLMR 2.0 þ A real estate bargain is when you get good neighbors Joining linked conference MAC OK ll day..... Msg #: 92 CABLE