TELECOM Digest Thu, 3 Feb 94 11:44:00 CST Volume 14 : Issue 59 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson V&H Report - 15 January 1994 (David Esan) Book Review: "Navigating the Internet" by Gibbs/Smith (Rob Slade) Data-Communication on Voice Lines in Bell Atlantic Territory (S. Davidson) 20GHz Wireless is the Future? (S. L. Lee) Need Information About POLYCOM Soundstation (Markolf Gudjons) Moriarity Fax Number, -Maybe- (Ken Staggers, misc.legal via Danny Burstein) Can Anybody Tell Me About: V.26 Modems, Signalling System 6? (David Myers) Is Shortened BCH Code a Shortened Cyclic Code? (G.R. Pradeep) Caller ID/CNAM (Michael G. Godwin) Inmarsat-B (mph469@aberdeen.ac.uk) Question on Trunks and T1's (Steven L. Spak) Looking For Videoconferencing Newsgroups (cthurrot@jade.tufts.edu) Brussels Student Needs Information on Israel Telco (Severine Burgers) Cancellation of VSI94 (A. 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Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: de@moscom.com (David Esan) Subject: V&H Report - 15 January 1994 Date: 2 Feb 94 20:30:29 GMT Organization: Moscom Corporation, Pittsford NY Once a quarter I USED to receive the BellCore V&H tape. Using this information I could total the number of exchanges in each area code. The twenty most populous area codes are listed below. After the written text of this article I have included the count for each of the area codes. This is no longer our procedure. The information in FCC #10 is now detailed enough that we no longer need to order the tape from BellCore and are using FCC #10 for our V&H information. There will be some changes during the changeover, FCC #10 is more current, and some exchanges due for addition and included in the tape may not yet be in FCC #10. We have used pages issued prior to January 15, 1994. I am not responsible for the information supplied in FCC #10. I have not included the following in my counts of exchanges: - NXX's that are not dialable by a standard user (ie nxx's that begin with a 1 or 0). - Mexican exchanges in the 52? series of area codes. I've got them, you can dial them with 011, but they're not really NPAs. - Exchanges that are non-dialable in the 88? series of area codes. I've got those also, but you can't dial them, so I'm not including them. Numbers that begin with 88 are nondialable stations in the US, Canada and Mexico. They are ranches in the middle of the Nevada or Texas desert, or isolated outpost of civilization (always wanted to use that phrase) in the tundra of Canada. I find place names like the Bar J Ranch, Double B Ranch, and JD Dye, Texas, Amargosa, Corncreek and Reese Valley, NV, and Chick Lake, Redknife and Taglu, NT. I gather they are ringdown stations, or radio-telephone stations. [It has been noted in c.d.t. that at least two of these numbers are for a bordello on the NV-CA border.] - This list includes three new area codes: 905, 810, and 910. I have not yet received information on 610. The fields are: ------------ rank last in October, 1993 213: 736 (1, 7) area code --^^^ ^^^ ^------- number of new exchanges |-------------- total number of exchanges 919: 723 ( 1, 12) 206: 682 ( 7, 12) 212: 639 (12, 2) 615: 601 (18, 9) 313: 722 ( 2, 16) 602: 676 ( 9, 14) 604: 617 (14, 8) 303: 601 (19, 13) 205: 716 ( 3, 10) 708: 675 ( 8, 8) 403: 617 (13, 2) 503: 597 (16, 3) 416: 699 ( 4, 7) 713: 663 (10, 10) 216: 604 (15, 5) 813: 592 (21, 15) 215: 696 ( 6, 15) 703: 645 (11, 5) 803: 602 (17, 10) 404: 590 (20, 7) 1. 919 - split is in progress. Number should be reduced by split. 2. 313 - split is in progress. Number should be reduced by split. 3. 205 - split is planned. Number should be reduced by split. 4. 416 - split is in progress. Number should be reduced by split. 5. 215 - split is in progress. Number should be reduced by split. 6. 206 - split is planned. Number should be reduced by split. 7. 602 - split is planned. Number should be reduced by split. -> The NPA that is largest and is not splitting nor has plans, at this time, to split, is 708. [PAT - keep your ears open for the impending split!] -> The 3 smallest NPA's were 302, 906, 807. They are now: 302: 134 - Delaware (+1 exchanges) 906: 117 - Michigan's Upper Peninsula (no change) 807: 106 - Western Ontario (no change) -> The NPAs with the greatest growth rates are: NPA % growth 917 4.35 314 3.01 909 2.75 406 2.70 813 2.60 310 2.55 305 2.49 504 2.47 214 2.45 817 2.44 -> The 10 NPAs with the least growth rates are: NPA % growth 714 -39.57 *Decline due to deletion of NXXs now in 909.* 512 -8.71 *Decline due to deletion of NXXs now in 210.* 218 0 306 0 316 0 319 0 413 0 418 0 506 0 517 0 All the NPAs and the number of nxx's in each are listed below: 919: 723 612: 581 201: 466 316: 390 408: 357 208: 315 709: 264 313: 722 314: 581 412: 461 219: 389 204: 357 613: 309 806: 263 205: 716 809: 577 913: 454 213: 386 318: 356 706: 308 608: 259 416: 699 305: 577 306: 454 704: 384 207: 356 918: 307 509: 258 215: 696 501: 567 614: 447 406: 380 304: 349 218: 302 603: 251 206: 682 904: 561 818: 443 914: 379 512: 346 909: 299 901: 244 602: 676 203: 561 407: 443 910: 379 419: 345 202: 296 308: 216 708: 675 619: 560 210: 443 502: 375 517: 343 903: 291 417: 214 713: 663 817: 545 410: 441 217: 375 319: 342 808: 291 707: 205 703: 645 405: 545 515: 440 801: 374 505: 340 606: 291 506: 186 212: 639 804: 534 601: 437 504: 373 618: 339 610: 290 719: 184 604: 617 310: 523 617: 435 908: 372 702: 333 712: 288 802: 183 403: 617 717: 521 415: 434 301: 371 805: 331 812: 287 307: 181 216: 604 312: 517 402: 426 418: 370 915: 324 518: 279 607: 178 803: 602 414: 514 516: 421 510: 368 715: 321 507: 279 917: 168 615: 601 514: 509 714: 417 701: 364 815: 319 902: 278 401: 146 303: 601 718: 508 907: 411 605: 360 409: 318 705: 275 413: 135 503: 597 816: 486 716: 410 912: 359 819: 317 814: 271 302: 134 813: 592 513: 484 508: 410 519: 359 905: 315 315: 270 906: 117 404: 590 317: 481 616: 408 810: 358 609: 315 309: 268 807: 106 214: 585 916: 471 209: 396 David Esan de@moscom.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 1994 05:41:50 MDT From: Rob Slade Subject: Book Review: "Navigating the Internet" by Gibbs/Smith This happens to be (not *entirely* by my own choice :-) the textbook to be used in two upcoming seminars that I will be giving. If you are in the area of Vancouver, BC on Feb. 19th and Feb. 24, 25th, you might contact Cyberstore at 604-526-3373 or susan@cyberstore.ca. They are the ones organizing the seminars. (The one day course is the first day of the two day seminar.) BKNAVINT.RVW 940110 Prentice Hall/SAMS Publishing 11711 N. College Avenue, Suite 140 Carmel, IN 46032 1-800-428-5331 Fax: 1-800-835-3202 "Navigating the Internet", Gibbs/Smith, 0-672-30362-0, U$24.95/C$31.95 rjs@lis.pitt.edu mgibbs@rain.org 75600.1002@compuserve.com With this title, one would expect an emphasis less on introduction and more on the search tools of the Internet. This is not the case; what we have here, is, again, another introductory guide to the Internet. The book leans quite heavily on the "Internet as ocean" metaphor in the first chapter, but thereafter abandons it. The choice and organization of individual chapters is reasonable, but tends to be application specific rather than function specific. The discussion of LISTSERV mailing lists gets a chapter of its own rather than being combined with either email, which is how you use them, or Usenet news, to deal generically with conferencing or discussion type activities. The organization within chapters is somewhat discontinuous, with topics being discussed in two or three places within a chapter, but most chapters are short enough that this should not be a problem. Coverage is not exhaustive; the topic on finding people does not list the extremely useful MIT "usenet-addresses" mail server; but should be enough to get a novice started. The tone is very light, at times flippant. (The computer humour literate will immediately recognize a description of a FORTRAN specific ftp site as coming from the "Rambo Guide to Real Programmers".) This should not prove too much of a problem as most of the asides are clearly that, and could not be mistaken for directions. Indeed, one story by Mark Gibbs about carelessly reading a message and confusing "resent" (as in taking offense) for "re-sent" (as in forwarding of a message) is a fine object lesson in the importance of thoughtful reading of email. (I am glad to see the extended coverage given to network etiquette.) One bad fault is in the proofreading, confusing ".ed" for ".edu" as the educational domain, and calling the "rn" newsreader "nr". The UNIX bias is even more deeply embedded than with Krol (cf. BKKROL.RVW) or Dern (cf. BKTIGFNU.RVW) and assumes that everyone is on a UNIX system with Elm and rn. Strangely, though, there seems to be an underlying BITNET bias as well. One example is the insistence that domain names can be shortened as long as a unique version remains. In the Internet this would very much depend upon the (possibly multiple) domain name servers between the user and the target system. In BITNET, however, all sites have unique machine names, and so the .BITNET domain can be dropped. The LISTSERV program discussed is also limited to the BITNET version, with no discussion of the general differences between it and the Internet version, and no mention of the JANET (UK) MAILBASE system. Finally, there seems to be an odd confusion between BITNET and Usenet, referring to BITNET "newsgroups" and to Usenet as if it were an actual network. Nonetheless, the book is a handy introduction. Appendix B is a command reference for archie, elm, ftp, gopher, LISTSERVE, rn, telnet, WAIS and World Wide Web (WWW). There is also a tear-out reference card for common mail gateways, ftp, telnet and gopher. Appendix E, the Internet Navigator's Gazetteer, is a resource guide. It is a nice counterpoint to Krol's Catalogue. Where Krol goes overboard on WAIS, WWW and gopher, this Gazetteer is almost exclusively mailing lists (most of them BITNET). Many are outdated. The listings are by no means complete. A complete list, of course, would be an enormous task, and one which would be out of date before it ever saw print. Nevertheless, in my own searching I could find no entries for computer communications, data communications, or telecomm- unications, nor did I find any for computer security. I looked in vain for a general listing on ecology, although I did find an ecology list under another topic. Part of the difficulty lies in the practice of major headings with subdivisions. The subheads can go on for pages, and the major topics are not "carried forward" to following pages. (I found a subheading of "Viruses" under the "Computer" topic. I noted two listings for VIRUS-L one of which had an obsolete address, and VALERT-L list, a list I'd never heard of which didn't seem to have much to do with the topic, three listings for the cert.org ftp site, and one for the VTC site at the University of Hamburg. And there, at the end of the subsection on Page 350, is your humble scribe's Quick Reference Antiviral Review Chart. Fame!) A substantial number of people will have access through UNIX systems, and will have elm and rn available. Even for those who do not, this work is a good guide. The errors are not major, and the included resources may be a very handy start. copyright Robert M. Slade, 1994 BKNAVINT.RVW 940110 DECUS Canada Communications, Desktop, Education and Security group newsletters Editor and/or reviewer ROBERTS@decus.ca, RSlade@sfu.ca, Rob Slade at 1:153/733 DECUS Symposium '94, Vancouver, BC, Mar 1-3, 1994, contact: rulag@decus.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 Feb 1994 01:35:25 -0400 From: DAVIDSON Subject: Data-Communication on Voice Lines in Bell Atlantic Territory In issue #56 Michael W. Jacobs, Service Technician Bell Atlantic- Pennsylvania wrote: > 2) Noise on the line is not the only determinant of data transmission > speed. Depending on the circuit makeup (loaded or non-loaded, pair > gain or copper, and length/number of bridge taps), and overall > distance from the CO, a voice-grade telephone line may not be able to > carry speeds over 1200 baud. Most telcos do not guarrantee that you > can send data at all! A voice line is just that, for voice. > Conditioned dial-up data circuits are available from most telephone > companies; there may or may not be an additional charge to improve > the line transmission to accommodate your required data rate. I don't question the data provided here, but I suggest the "plug" for a conditioned line may be overstated. I have found now at two locations that a trouble call to 611 has resulted in a visit from a repairman who in both instances swapped pairs until he found me a quieter one. In one case, this was an internal job at my business location and required tracing lines through 4-5 junction boxes in a 70+ year old three story building. The repairman came back twice. In the other case, it was at my temporary residence, the repairman took 10-15 minutes to find a quieter pair and even set-up a new demarc for it. I paid nothing in either case to assure reliable 14.4Kbps connections. Steven J. Davidson, MD, MBA, FACEP | Davidson@ccc.medcolpa.edu Division of Emergency Medical Services | 71535.204@compuserve.com 3426 Conrad Street, Phila. PA 19129-1651 | 215.843.3001/3029 voice/fax ------------------------------ From: sllee@bronze.coil.com (S. L. Lee) Subject: 20GHz Wireless is the Future? Date: 3 Feb 1994 07:08:57 -0500 Organization: Central Ohio Internet Link (614-538-8294 login: guest) I heard that a technology is available (or becoming available) that can transmit voice, data, fax, video, two-way and simultaneous and automatically routed. I posted a msg but might have misposted. I would like to see professional evaluation of its feasibility. I have the following questions: 1. Would there be any health hazard? 2. Can the technology be implemented internationally, if not, what are the barriers? 3. How long has this idea been around? Why didn't anybody look at it? I would like to see discussion on various aspects of this technology. SL ------------------------------ From: markolf@lfbs.rwth-aachen.de (Markolf Gudjons) Subject: Need Information About POLYCOM Soundstation Date: 2 Feb 1994 18:33:37 GMT Organization: Lehrstuhl fuer Betriebssysteme, RWTH Aachen, Germany Hi, I need information concerning a telephone named "POLYCOM Soundstation", produced by POLYCOM, USA. We need to buy one and cannot find it locally. No one here seems to have heard of it. I would like to know whether it is a current product, how expensive it is, and where we can buy one (mail order or shop outlets in Europe). The address of POLYCOM Corp. would be nice as well. Answers by email please, I'll summarize to the group. Thank you. Markolf Gudjons, Lehrstuhl fuer Betriebssysteme RWTH Aachen, Kopernikusstr. 16, D-52056 Aachen Tel. : 0241/80-6344 | Fax : 0241/80-6346 e-Mail : markolf@lfbs.rwth-aachen.de ------------------------------ From: dannyb@panix.com (danny burstein) Subject: Moriarity Fax Number, -Maybe- Date: 3 Feb 1994 01:51:37 -0500 I found the attached note in misc.legal, in which the author states taht the actor Michael Moriarity (now in a -big- dispute with Janet Reno over TV censorship), has set up a fax line with an '800' number. I -don't- know if this is really his, or if someone is spoofing, but I figure people in the telecom group are smart enough to understand the deal ... (Now why doesn't someone set up a 1-800 number to fax stuff to teh White House??) ================ From misc.legal Thu Feb 3 01:45:49 1994 From: staggers@cup.hp.com (Ken Staggers) Subject: L&O: Moriarty sets up 800 number for fans Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 20:12:20 GMT Followup-To: rec.arts.tv On the Howard Stern Show, Michael Moriarty gave out an 800 number so that fans can FAX him letters of support. The number is 1-800-890-3195. I tried it this morning, but I havent used the fax part of my modem very often, so I am not sure if it actually worked (I sent it three times. I would have tried more, but this guy is paying $$$ for my mistakes via the 800 number, so I stopped at three). I told him to take his message to the Internet. I hope he has access. The thing I find very interesting is that he said (if I heard him correctly this morning) he put full page ads in {Variety} and the {Hollywood Reporter} and got no support except for the Cagney & Lacey producer. He said that he will be placing another ad, costing him $52,000 in another paper soon. I wasn't sure if he said the {New York Times}, the {Washington Post}, or {USA Today}. Does anyone know? Where is Mike getting all this money? If I heard him correctly, he has already spent between $100,000 to $150,000 on ads. He has not only set up a fax number for fans to show their support, he is ALSO paying for the calls. Now you know once this number is propagated thru the net, he is going to get a TON of FAX calls, and he has to pay for each of them. And of course, this man has no job. What is he thinking? Ken ------------------- dannyb@panix.com (or dburstein@mcimail.com) (10288) 0-700-864-3242 ------------------------------ From: dcmyers@astro.umd.edu (David Myers) Subject: Can Anybody Tell Me About: V.26 Modems, Signalling System 6? Date: 3 Feb 1994 15:56:47 GMT Organization: U. of Maryland @ College Park, Astronomy My company is evaluating a project calling for the interfacing of billing data collection systems to Alcatel 10C switches, a semi-digital switch of approximately 20 years ago. These switches output data over V.26 modems using Signalling System 6 protocol. V.26 is apparently a synchronous modem standard operating at 2400 bps. SS6, I would suppose, is the precursor to SS7, but I can't guess much else. Can anybody point me to technical info on these, or to companies that have these products? Thanks for any help. Please respond by e-mail, as I don't often read these groups. ------------------------------ From: prad@master.miel.mot.com (Pradeep G R) Subject: Is Shortened BCH Code a Shortened Cyclic Code? Organization: Motorola India Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 07:05:40 GMT I am working on an error correction scheme that uses a shortened version of the (63,51) BCH code primitive. I have read that BCH codes are cyclic in nature. I have read about implementations of shortened cyclic codes being similar to that of ordinary cyclic codes. Can a shortened cyclic code encoder be used as an encoder for these BCH codes? The polynomial I have for the code generates a shortened linear systematic block code with a minimum distance of 5. Thanks in advance. Pradeep Email: prad@master.miel.mot.com No.1 St.Marks Road Bangalore India 560 001 Voice: (091)-80-2213175 x318 ------------------------------ From: mgodwin@mcl.bdm.com (Michael G. Godwin) Subject: Caller ID/CNAM Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 12:07:09 Organization: BDM International, Inc. I recently purchased a Caller-ID box that will not only receive the calling party's number, but the name the number is registered (billed) to. So I hook this thing up and call my phone company to sign up for Caller-ID. While I'm on the phone, I ask if they offer the CNAM (caller name) service, and much to my surprise, the rep says she's never heard of it! Now I'd have been less surprised if this were in Hicksville, USA, but I'm in Metropolitan Washington D.C.! Anyway, the box works great, I just don't get the name (and it sure would come in handy for those numbers I don't recognize). Now to my question: Does anyone know if, and where, CNAM is currently up and running? I'd imagine SOMEONE should be using it if the boxes support it. Mike mgodwin@mcl.bdm.com ------------------------------ From: mph469@aberdeen.ac.uk Subject: Inmarsat-B Date: 2 Feb 1994 12:13:30 -0600 Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Hi, I saw your query about INMARSAT in comp.dcom.telecom. For my knowledge, INMARSAT uses digital transmission. Burst modems are used as it works on DAMA mode. Security is not a problem because the data is encrypted. We are searching for INMARSAT - B service providers. Could you please give some guidance? We are intending to purchase ViaSat LYNXX INMARSAT-B Terminal. It is a portable earth station with eight telephone channels, one FAX and one compressed video channel. Do you know any suitable service provider( space segment)? Sooriyajeevan ------------------------------ From: sspak@seas.gwu.edu (Steven L. Spak) Subject: Re: Question on Trunks and T1's Date: 03 Feb 1994 02:02:57 GMT Organization: George Washington University I'm fairly certain that it's really the telco's choice as to how to provide transport for your T1s. If the fiber isn't nearby and copper is in sufficient quantity, why pull a cable in and place a terminal that could run $30k? A neat idea would be to tariff "Fiber T1s" and charge a bit more for the CLEANER pipe. Steven Spak sspak@seas.gwu.edu Transmission Engineer Tel: (202) 392-1611 Fax: (202) 392-1261 ------------------------------ From: cthurrot@jade.tufts.edu (cthurrot@pearl) Subject: Looking For Videoconferencing Newsgroups Organization: Tufts University - Medford, MA Date: Thu, 03 Feb 1994 02:51:10 GMT Hi all, I was just wondering if anyone knows of a newsgroup that discusses videoconferencing technology and usage. I figured this group was pretty clsoe but that there may be something more specific out there. If anyone has any ideas, please e-mail me. Chris___]cthurrot@jade.tufts.edu ------------------------------ From: hw42858@is1.vub.ac.be (BURGERS SEVERINE) Subject: Brussels Student Needs Information on Israel Telco Date: Thu, 3 Feb 94 10:51:35 MET [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Here is a note I got in the mail recently. Can anyone help this student with his assignment? PAT] Mister P. Townson, The reason of my writing is that I have to ask a few questions about telecommunication and I hope that you can answer them. I'm studying communication sciences at Brussels Free University in Belgium and at this moment I'm working on a paper about telecommunication in the occupied territories in Israel. But I don't know the name of the national telecommunication operator of Israel, nor the actual telecommunication situation in the occupied territories. And, of course, this is of great importance for my paper. I should be very grateful if you can send me the name and the adress of the telecommunication authorithy. Thanks in advance and greetings from Brussels, Severine Burgers, hw42858@is1.vub.ac.be hw42858@is1.vub.ac.be (BURGERS SEVERINE) Student Communicatiewetenschappen Vrije Universiteit Brussel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 94 11:48:42 -0500 From: padgett@tccslr.dnet.mmc.com (A. Padgett Peterson) Subject: Cancellation of VSI94 Unfortunately it has become necessary to cancel the anti-virus conference scheduled for 28-29 March in Philadelphia (aka VSI 94), there was just insufficient interest. A. Padgett Peterson, P.E. Program Chairman ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 94 14:24:45 -0800 From: Steve Forrette Subject: Last Laugh: Tayna Harding Uses Talk Tickets to Avoid Detection During this afternoon's press conference, an attorney stated that the FBI had surveilled Tanya Harding and her cohorts using "Talk and Toss" long distance calling cards from payphones in order to avoid toll records that were associated with them from being generated. I guess this method doesn't work too well when you're under surveillance. So, Pat, is Tanya one of *your* customers? :-) Steve Forrette, stevef@wrq.com [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I hereby use my Fifth Amendment to the USA Constitution rights to refuse to answer, on the grounds that my answer may tend to commercialize the net, and we all know what happens to people like that when they get a life sentence in Usenet, forced to read news.groups. The other inmates don't like people who engage in intellectual intercourse with small minds. I guess you've read the latest proposal for a 'news group': (I am being serious now) ... its name is 'zoophile', and it, uh, has to do with people who uh, like sex with Fido, Garfield and J. Fred Muggs. I don't know if this is the result of a schism in the existing alt.sex.bestiality group or what. (Yes, I am still being serious) ... Following the discussion, there will be one of the infamous 'Usenet votes' after which the results will be completely ignored and some decision reached by the person in charge of those things. Sysadmins everywhere will rush to be first to newgroup the new forum in their haste to prove they are more tolerant and liberal than the others. Those who don't carry the group will be called 'zoo-phobes', and over all, it should be an exciting month on Abusenet, the place where anything goes, and usually does. :) PAT ------------------------------ End of TELECOM Digest V14 #59 ***************************** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Downloaded From P-80 International Information Systems 304-744-2253