TELECOM Digest Tue, 11 Jan 94 23:33:00 CST Volume 14 : Issue 25 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Re: Possible Internet Service Scam (John R. Levine) Re: Possible Internet Service Scam (Les Reeves) Re: Possible Internet Service Scam (Bill Mayhew) Re: Possible Internet Service Scam (Duncan Glendinning) Re: Phone Phreakers Down South (Gary W. Sanders) Re: Phone Phreakers Down South (Kriston Rehberg) Re: How to Phone US 0800 Numbers From the UK? (John Temples) Re: How to Phone US 0800 Numbers From the UK? (David Jones) Re: Hayes' New Modem (Fred R. Goldstein) Re: Hayes' New Modem (Charles Randall Yates) Re: Radio Religion in Canada (Rich Wales) Re: Radio Religion in Canada (Wm. Randolph U. Franklin) Re: V.35 to RS-232 Conversions (ssatchell@bix.com) Re: FTP Site For EIA Standards (ssatchell@bix.com) Re: SprintNet Access From the Internet (Steven H. Lichter) Re: Announcing networkMCI (Paul R. Coen) Re: Post Cool Phone Numbers - Strange Recorded Info Services (Gib Henry) Re: A Tale of Two Dialtones (Gordon Hlavenka) Cold Temperatures (Thomas Lapp) How To Download Files From Local Internet Access? (steve2400@delphi.com) TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of public service systems and networks including Compuserve and GEnie. Subscriptions are available at no charge to qualified organizations and individual readers. Write and tell us how you qualify: * telecom-request@eecs.nwu.edu * The Digest is compilation-copyrighted by Patrick Townson Associates of Skokie, Illinois USA. We provide telecom consultation services and long distance resale services including calling cards and 800 numbers. To reach us: Post Office Box 1570, Chicago, IL 60690 or by phone at 708-329-0571 and fax at 708-329-0572. 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Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only and messages should not be considered any official expression by the organization. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Jan 94 15:21 EST From: johnl@iecc.com (John R Levine) Subject: Re: Possible Internet Service Scam Organization: I.E.C.C., Cambridge, Mass. > In other words, IIA.ORG does NOT, at this time, exist. The Internic thinks they do: International Internet Association (IIA2-DOM) 30 South First Avenue Highland Park, NJ 08904 Domain Name: IIA.ORG Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Bochicchio, Charleen (CB45) char@JOY.ICM.COM +1 202 387 5445 (FAX) +1 202 387 5446 Record last updated on 01-Dec-93. On the other hand, it is kind of odd that their mailing address is in New Jersey, but their phone number is in Washington DC. Internic has this address for their contact Ms. Bochicchio: Bochicchio, Charleen (CB45) char@JOY.ICM.COM International Discount Telecommunications Corp 294 State Street Hackensack, NJ 07601 +1 202 387 5445 (FAX) +1 202 387 5446 When you look up ICM.COM, they are at the same address as IIA: Intellicom (ICM-DOM) 30 South First Ave. Highland Park, NJ 08904 Domain Name: ICM.COM Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact: Kramer, Michael (MK30) mikek@MINDVOX.PHANTOM.COM 201-417-2166 Perhaps Mr. Kramer can shed some light on the situation. Their requirement that you pay by credit card could be a legitimate way for them to keep costs down, since bills can then be handled entirely automatically, or might be bogus. I couldn't say. Let us know if they ever call you back. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, jlevine@delphi.com, 1037498@mcimail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 12:29:24 PST From: Les Reeves Subject: Re: Possible Internet Service Scam On Tue, 11 Jan 1994, John R Levine wrote: > Perhaps Mr. Kramer can shed some light on the situation. > Their requirement that you pay by credit card could be a legitimate way > for them to keep costs down, since bills can then be handled entirely > automatically, or might be bogus. I couldn't say. Let us know if they > ever call you back. By the time I forwarded this to TELECOM Digest, it was a third or fourth generation forward. I probably should have made that a little more obvious. Your research is very interesting. Have you considered sharing it with the author of the message? Regards, Les Reeves 404/874.7806 ------------------------------ From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.EDU (Bill Mayhew) Subject: Re: Possible Internet Service Scam Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 23:23:53 GMT Well, I did an MX entry check and found a record for iia.org pointing to mary.iia.org, which indeed does exist. A telnet shows that it is a SunOS system of some type. I didn't feel like doing a traceroute, since it is not on this host, but a ping to that system takes 91 mS from here in Rootstown. That probably indicates that mary.iia.org is within a few states' distance of Ohio, so an east coast USA location seems reasonable. None the less, a demand for credit card number seems bogus to me and I certainly would not agree to it. Bill Mayhew NEOUCOM Computer Services Department Rootstown, OH 44272-9995 USA phone: 216-325-2511 wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu amateur radio 146.58: N8WED ------------------------------ From: ddrg@superior.ccs.carleton.ca (Duncan Glendinning) Subject: Re: Possible Internet Service Scam Organization: Carleton University Date: Wed, 12 Jan 1994 02:26:54 GMT > 3. They claim your E-mail address would be @iia.org. However: > a. No iia.org is listed in the hq.af.mil hosts table > b. No iia.org is listed in the acq.osd.mil hosts table > c. No iia.org is listed is the INTERNIC 'whois' database > d. No iia.org is listed using the INTERNIC 'netfind' Internet lookup > In other words, IIA.ORG does NOT, at this time, exist. They're registered somewhere: Script started on Tue Jan 11 21:25:10 1994 {superior:1} nslookup Default Server: alfred.ccs.carleton.ca Address: 134.117.1.1 > set type=any > iia.org Server: alfred.ccs.carleton.ca Address: 134.117.1.1 Non-authoritative answer: iia.org nameserver = MARY.IIA.ORG iia.org nameserver = NS.UU.NET Authoritative answers can be found from: MARY.IIA.ORG inet address = 198.4.75.9 NS.UU.NET inet address = 137.39.1.3 > server ns.uu.net Default Server: ns.uu.net Address: 137.39.1.3 > iia.org Server: ns.uu.net Address: 137.39.1.3 iia.org origin = mary.iia.org mail addr = char.mary.iia.org serial=2, refresh=10800, retry=3600, expire=604800, min=86400 iia.org nameserver = mary.iia.org iia.org nameserver = ns.uu.net iia.org preference = 10, mail exchanger = mary.iia.org mary.iia.org inet address = 198.4.75.9 ns.uu.net inet address = 137.39.1.3 > exit script done on Tue Jan 11 21:25:40 1994 Duncan Glendinning ddrg@ccs.carleton.ca Carleton University Ottawa, Ontario K1S 5B6 ------------------------------ From: news@cbnews.att.com Date: Mon, 10 Jan 94 14:54:22 GMT Subject: Re: Phone Phreakers Down South Organization: AT&T In article vantek@aol.com writes: > Thought I'd pass this little story along ... > Charlotte Observer, N.C. > Knight-Ridder/Tribune Business News > Jan. 7 -- Another Charlotte company has fallen victim to telephone > hackers. Pic 'N Pay Stores Inc., the Charlotte-based shoe retailer, > says it got stung for $17,000 by high-tech hijackers who got into the > company's voice- mail and dialed anywhere they pleased. > Pic 'N Pay filed suit last week against BellSouth Telecommunications > Inc., parent of Southern Bell, which made and serviced the phone > system in question. Hmm, maybe I'll file suit against Ford the next time my car is stolen. They made and serviced the car. Gary W. Sanders (N8EMR) gary.w.sanders@att.com AT&T Bell Labs 614.860.5965 [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: You might have a good case if Ford made the claim to you that the car was 'theft proof' or 'could not be stolen due to the way we have designed it ...' etc. It is alleged that AT&T made this claim to the user of the phone system. Should the customer have known better? Did the customer know better? What if Ford made those claims to you and 'documented' their claim with some high-tech sounding language that you as a typical consumer did not understand? AT&T could easily avoid this kind of lawsuit if they would make certain in writing that the purchaser of the equipment is aware of its flaws. PAT] ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Phone Phreakers Down South Reply-To: krehberg@vnet.IBM.COM Date: Tue, 11 Jan 94 10:25:03 EST From: V2ENA81%OWEGO@zeta.eecs.nwu.edu In-reply-to: vantek@aol.com's message of Sat, 08 Jan 94 21:09:02 EST: > Jan. 7 -- Another Charlotte company has fallen victim to telephone > hackers. Pic 'N Pay Stores Inc., the Charlotte-based shoe retailer, > says it got stung for $17,000 by high-tech hijackers who got into the > company's voice-mail and dialed anywhere they pleased. I am assuming that how is this done is to figure out people's voice mail passwords and then use the transfer feature to get off-site. However, on our voicemail system, you only have the option to transfer to another on-site extension or off-site tie-line (within the corporation, only), and not an actual local or long-distance telco off-site line. Are some PBX's just plain stupid in transfer restrictions, or am I missing something here? Kriston J. Rehberg Internet External :krehberg@vnet.ibm.com Associate Programmer/Analyst FSC Internal RSCS :V2ENA81 AT OWEGO ENSCO, Incorporated FSC Internal AFS :v1ena81@legend.endicott Loral Federal Systems Co, Owego, NY Tel: 607-751-2180 :Tieline: 662-2180 [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: There are probably various levels of security with some users only allowed to transfer to other extensions while others are allowed to make calls outside the system if desired. So often, there has to be a compromise between security and user convenience. Then too, sometimes the phreaks manage to get the root password (the code used by the system administrator for system maintainence) and reconfigure the system for themselves. Maybe it did not allow transfers to outside lines until the phreaks worked it over using the root password for entry and programmed it to start doing that. I am reminded of the time that former Digest participant John Higdon called me at home very late one evening on a three-way call with some phreak phriend(s) of his on the line because they wanted to brag and show me how 'someone' (the name(s) of the other person(s) on the line were never given to me) had broken into and looted the voicemail system of a certain long distance carrier which specializes in 900 service. It seems 'someone' had gotten in via the root password and proceeded to rephrase certain prompt messages, replacing what had been there with lewd comments of their own about the carrier's pending bankruptcy. So don't assume the sysadmin left that feature there. Phreaks could have called one night and put it back in then run up quite a phone bill by the time the proprietors found out what had happened. PAT] ------------------------------ From: john@gulfa.ods.gulfnet.kw (John Temples) Subject: Re: How to Phone US 0800 Numbers From the UK? Date: 10 Jan 1994 19:45:45 +0300 Organization: Gulfnet Kuwait > [ ... You need to match carrier with 800 number for this > however; the carrier of the 800 number is the carrier who's 'home > direct' service you need to connect with, *and not all of them will do > this*, although I think AT&T and MCI will. PAT] I just spoke to an AT&T USA Direct operator who told me that AT&T will attempt to put through calls to any 800 number, regardless of whose 800 number it is. But the number must be "reachable on the AT&T network." He specifically said AT&T does not have a policy of blocking calls to 800 numbers on other carriers. John W. Temples, III Gulfnet Kuwait Phone: +965 242 6728 Fax: +965 242 6720 ------------------------------ From: dej@eecg.toronto.edu (David Jones) Subject: Re: How to Phone US 0800 Numbers From the UK? Organization: CSRI, University of Toronto Date: Mon, 10 Jan 1994 15:10:37 -0500 In article msb@sq.sq.com (Mark Brader) writes: > Actually, in all of the foregoing, "USA" should read "USA and/or > Canada, as appropriate for the particular number". Some 800-numbers > in each country can be called from the other in the usual way. In > fact, some can *only* be called from the other country. Of course, there are ways for Canucks to make use of USA-only 800 numbers. If you work for BNR, you dial 6-1-800- ... from any phone. If you live in Toronto, then ACC Long Distance Inc. will let you dial US 800 numbers through their network for ten cents/min. David Jones, M.A.Sc student, Electronics Group (VLSI), University of Toronto email: dej@eecg.utoronto.ca, finger for more info/PGP public key ------------------------------ From: goldstein@carafe.tay2.dec.com (Fred R. Goldstein) Subject: Re: Hayes' New Modem Date: 10 Jan 1994 05:41:34 GMT Organization: Digital Equipment Corp., Littleton MA USA In article hummes@osf.org (Jakob Hummes) writes: > ...But there is an absolute limit (Shannon's Law). The > question was about the transmission over a *real* phone line. And that > means there exists *noise*. The limit of bps is proportional to the > logarithm of the signal to noise ratio. Unfortunately I don't remember > the constant factors. Shannon's law is, in plaintext, BPS(max) = Bw * log(2)((1+S)/N) That is, take the signal-to-noise ration (adding 1 to signal, so a negative SNR has some information present) and represent it as a power of 2. Multiply by bandwidth (in Hz) and you get BPS. THus if you have a 30 dB (1000) signal to noise ratio, that's 1001/1 which is a smidgen under 2^10. If you have 3000 Hz usable bandwidth that's the 10 times 3000, or around 30000 bps max. It was often said that a phone line couldn't go beyond 26000 bps or so, based on the typical bandwidth and SNR. Today a good clean line is more likely to be digitally switched at 64000 bps, which is well above the Shannon limit (digitization is lossy), but you still get a theoretical limit closer to 40 kbps. Thus V.34, at 28.8 kbps, is pushing the envelope, but still possible. But it won't work on a line that's transcoded down to 32 kbps, or just plain noisy. Note the 300 to 3400 Hz nominal frequency range; the 3400 is a hard filter. Fred R. Goldstein k1io goldstein@carafe.tay2.dec.com Opinions are mine alone; sharing requires permission ------------------------------ From: yatesc@eggo.usf.edu (Charles Randall Yates) Subject: Re: Hayes' New Modem Date: 11 Jan 1994 03:34:36 GMT Organization: University of South Florida In article ssatchell@BIX.com (ssatchell on BIX) writes: > Actually, if you really want to find out how the Hayes Optima 288 and > the GDC V.F modems work, get Draft Recommendation V.34 ... It's worth a look -- anyone know where this can be ftp'ed from? Randy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jan 94 22:57:55 EST From: richw@mks.com (Rich Wales) Subject: Re: Radio Religion in Canada Reply-To: richw@mks.com (Rich Wales) Organization: Mortice Kern Systems Inc., Waterloo, Ontario, Canada Earlier, I mentioned that the CRTC (Canadian TV/radio regulatory agency) had recently changed the long-time policy forbidding "single-faith" religious stations in Canada. I just saw a comment on USENET (talk.religion.misc) from someone in the Vancouver area, reporting that an AM station there (formerly CHRX, now CKBD) had changed format from "classic rock" to contemporary Christian music. I'll try to let TELECOM know if I hear of any more such stations up here in Canada. In this area (Kitchener-Waterloo, west of Toronto), the closest such station right now is WDCX in Buffalo, which doesn't really come in very well this far away. Rich Wales (VE3HKZ, WA6SGA/VE3) Mortice Kern Systems Inc. richw@mks.com 35 King Street North +1 (519) 884-2251 Waterloo, Ontario, Canada N2J 2W9 ------------------------------ From: wrf@ecse.rpi.edu (Wm. Randolph U Franklin) Subject: Re: Radio Religion in Canada Date: 11 Jan 1994 21:22:21 GMT Organization: ECSE Dept, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy, NY, 12180 USA Reply-To: wrf@ecse.rpi.edu (Wm. Randolph U Franklin) Canada didn't need all-religious radio stations in the past so much since normal stations would broadcast so much religious programming. I grew up (in Ottawa) listening to Ernest C. Manning's weekly "Canada Bible Hour" (or some such title). Manning was the Social Credit Premier of Alberta at the time. How many American state Governors have longtime nationwide religious programs? Side notes for Murricans: The Social Credit party started in the depression with the theme that if the government printed money and handed it out then the depression would end. EC Manning's son is Preston Manning, leader of the third largest party in Parliament now. He attracts a lot of invective from opponents of his right-wing pro-English politics. Wm. Randolph Franklin, wrf@ecse.rpi.edu, (518) 276-6077; Fax: -6261 ECSE Dept., 6026 JEC, Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst, Troy NY, 12180 USA [TELECOM Digest Moderator's Note: As another side note, my earlier message on this thread right at the end of the year used the past-tense in saying that the CBS Radio Network carried "Music and the Spoken Word" for over forty years which originated with station KSL in Salt Lake City, Utah. A few different people wrote to point out that the weekly show, a/k/a the Mormon Tabernacle Choir is still sending out the weekly broad- cast via KSL. WBBM, the CBS affiliate here hasn't carried the show for thirty years! Sometime in the middle 1960's they dropped it and it was picked up by WCLR in Skokie which coincidentally (or maybe not so coin- cidentally) is a radio station owned by the Bonneville Corporation, a corporation wholly owned by the LDS Church. Whether 'Double-You Clear' as they call themselves is still carrying it is anyone's guess, as I am not usually awake at 8 AM on Sunday. PAT] ------------------------------ From: ssatchell@BIX.com (ssatchell on BIX) Subject: Re: V.35 to RS-232 Conversions Date: 11 Jan 94 18:44:36 GMT Organization: Delphi Internet Services Corporation The V.35 interface is described in the Red Book. The entire section about V.35 was removed from the Blue Book, and all attempts I've made to obtain this information has met with roadblocks. If you can find someone who has a copy of the Red (or Orange) book, you can get this information. ------------------------------ From: ssatchell@BIX.com (ssatchell on BIX) Subject: Re: FTP Site For EIA Standards Date: 8 Jan 94 18:48:00 GMT Organization: Delphi Internet Services Corporation rob@ubitrex.mb.ca (Rob McConnell) writes: > Does anyone know the whereabouts of an FTP site for EIA standards, > specifically EIA IS-60? Currently, I know of no FTP site for EIA or TIA documents. They want you to buy them from Global Engineering Documents. With money. ------------------------------ From: ue554@freenet.victoria.bc.ca (Steven H. Lichter) Subject: Re: SprintNet Access From the Internet Organization: Camosun College, Victoria, B.C. Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 20:43:25 GMT If you have SprintNet access type C CRIS at the @ prompt. This will put you onto an information BBS which offers a service like you want. The cost is not free, but a lot less then some services. -=- Sysop: Apple Elite II -=- an Ogg-Net Hub BBS (909) 359-5338 12/24/96/14.4 V32/V42bis Via PCP CACOL/12/24 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 22:55:04 EST From: Paul R. Coen Subject: Re: Announcing networkMCI Organization: Drew University Academic Technology > Is that what the MCI TV commercials with the little girl with the > pseudo-[B]ritish accent standing in a puddle spouting existential > gibberish are all about? Is it a girl? I thought it was a boy. Then again, I didn't look very closely. All I noticed was an overly-perfect child dressed in weird black clothes and a really ghastly hat. And the kid sounded like one of the brats from _Mary Poppins_. > And I thought they were just trying to finally beat AT&T for the worst > imaginable ad campaign :-) You know, I felt like I was watching some sort of weird one act play that I didn't understand. Then again, considering that I *still* don't understand what "networkMCI" is besides a new name for stuff they already have, maybe that's okay. Does someone want to take a stab at explaining it? Maybe they blew the fiscal year's budget for ads on that commercial with everyone from "Star Trek," and they're going low budget :) ------------------------------ From: gibhenry@cscns.com (Gib Henry) Subject: Re: Post Cool Phone Numbers - Strange Recorded Info Services Organization: Community_News_Service Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 15:06:05 GMT In article , feedle@kaiwan.com (Feedlebom) wrote: Here's another dial-a-joke number (try overnight, after 6 p.m. until 6 a.m.): 1-404-REQUEST. Gib Henry ------------------------------ From: cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us (gordon hlavenka) Subject: Re: A Tale of Two Dialtones Organization: Vpnet - Your FREE link to the Internet (708)833-8126 Date: Tue, 11 Jan 1994 22:06:07 GMT > This is what happened: in ordering the new service, the phone company > put the new service on the original number, and put our old service on > the new line! Well, I have only two lines, and Illinois Bell managed to screw even _that_ up... When we moved to our new home, we ordered both lines at the same time. But because one is a residential line and the other is a business line they were installed at different times. The residential line went in first, and worked just fine. Two days later, the business line went in. But they wired the business line to the residential circuits, and _disconnected_ the residential line altogether! Calls to the residential line were RNA. I don't get it; they had to add a new drop for the business circuit, so they must have known there were supposed to be two lines working. I called and raised whatfor, and FWIW they were back within an hour and put things right. Gordon S. Hlavenka cgordon@vpnet.chi.il.us Proud father of Daniel Scott born August 9, 1993 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 94 08:32:22 EST From: Thomas Lapp Subject: Cold Temperatures Pat, you complained of the temps being below zero in Chicago the next few days. Well, someplace it is always worse. In the Philadelphia/Delaware Valley area, we had freezing rain wich put 1/4 inch or more of ice on trees, power and phone lines, hanging traffic lights, etc. Philadelphia Electric reported 500,000 consumers out of power, with half of them not getting power back for up to 48 hours. 160 crews from outside PECO service area were coming in to help them out. While you sit in your home, there are a goodly number of folks who had to leave their homes because they have no power to heat the home. I'd also not enjoy being one of the utility folks who had to work a full shift last night repairing lines with temperatures in the teens. Brrr. tom internet : mvac23!thomas@udel.edu or thomas%mvac23@udel.edu (home) Location : Newark, DE, USA [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Next thing you know, I'll be printing messages from you here telling me I should be grateful for what I have and not complaining so much ... :) I believe outside utility workers are worth every nickle they are paid and then some. Christmas Eve, 1983: record cold temperatures here ... the temperature dropped to 29 *below zero* early Christmas Eve and did not go above zero again for three days. On Christmas, the *high* temperature for the day was something obscene like minus ten degrees. Despite conditions as they were, three friends and myself decided to have our holiday dinner downtown at Berghoff's. On the corner of State and Adams, a big excavation in the street with a truck parked there from the Municipal Water Works. The excavation area was blocked off by street barricades and a trash barrel sitting nearby had been set afire, with three men standing there around the fire warming themselves. In the hole in the street, at least fifteen feet below down into the ground was this black, muddy, gunky looking water swirling around rapidly and therein stood two men in hip boots with water halfway up to their posterior with tools doing their thing to replace an obviously quite broken underground water pipe. Despite the ten or fifteen below zero or whatever -- it had gotten so cold it no longer mattered -- I was fascinated by this and stood there a minute or so peering down into the hole at those two guys, the water swirling around everywhere and them banging away and digging, etc ... Christmas Day in downtown Chicago. One of the men standing by the barrel of burning trash was the foreman; he saw me and said jokingly, "Would you like to give it a go, sir? I've got a tool here for you that's about the right size ... when they come up, you can go on down a bit and see what you think ..." I asked him what those guys got paid and his answer was that 'normally' they get seventeen dollars per hour, ".... but today being Christmas they get *double time and a half* ... and for reasons of safety the union requires two men on the job to look out for each other, so that one doesn't fall down and drown, or have it all cave in him, you know? ... ". The two who had been in the hole apparently got the water flow shut off about that time and climbed up to the street and headed right to the fire to warm themselves. They passed among themselves a bottle which did not appear to contain iced tea and the foreman invited me to share with them but I declined and went inside Berghoff's to join my friends. When we came out nearly two hours later full of turkey and stuffings and a few drinks of our own, all five of the water works crew were down in the hole installing a new section of pipe, slopping around through the now nearly frozen mud. Outside utility workers are marvelous people. Does anyone remember when the two AT&T workers were killed in an accident in the Rocky Mountains in January several years ago? They had volunteered to go out to a very desolate area and replace a downed aerial cable that provided telephone service to a little town. Due to very icy, very hazardous conditions their vehicle skidded and overturned; they were killed. It happens, and it t'aint funny. PAT] ------------------------------ From: STEVE2400@delphi.com Subject: How To Download Files From local Internet Access? Date: Tue, 11 Jan 94 05:33:57 EST Organization: Delphi Internet I recently got access to the internet at my local school. I'm pretty new to the Internet and Unix but I managed to FTP some files into my directory at the local site. Now I need someone to tell me how to get the files from the computer at school to my computer at home. I would appreciate if some of you experienced Internet users could help me with the correct information. Please send mail to stevens@tstc.edu first or STEVE2400@delphi.com. Thank you, Steve [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: The above message was recieved from this new user and perhaps one or more of the regular readers will write him and try to help him resolve his problem. Thanks! 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