From: MX%"" 16-JAN-1991 10:09:42.70 To: DC CC: Subj: Re: Q: how to make home PC an internet node? Return-Path: <@MAX.BERKELEY.EDU:jgreco@archimedes.math.uwm.edu> Received: from uwm.edu by MAX.BERKELEY.EDU with SMTP; Wed, 16 Jan 1991 10:09:33 PST Received: by uwm.edu; id AA15804; Wed, 16 Jan 91 12:13:57 -0600 Received: by archimedes.math.uwm.edu; id AA18979; Wed, 16 Jan 91 12:13:55 CST Date: Wed, 16 Jan 91 12:13:55 CST From: Joe Greco Message-ID: <9101161813.AA18979@archimedes.math.uwm.edu> To: dc%max.berkeley.edu@uwm.edu Subject: Re: Q: how to make home PC an internet node? Newsgroups: comp.misc,comp.os.minix,comp.sys.nsc.32k,comp.unix.xenix.sco In-Reply-To: <00942BD0.3790B740@max.berkeley.edu> Organization: University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee - Department of Mathematics X-MX-Warning: Warning -- Invalid "CC" header. CC: In comp.sys.nsc.32k article <00942BD0.3790B740@max.berkeley.edu>, you wrote: :It sure would be great if my PC at home were on the internet. I'm :sure this must be possible, since there are plenty of smallish :businesses on the internet. However, a perusal of the documents at :nic.ddn.mil shows only how to launch a new network, which requires :divine intervention from a government agency, and is definitely of a :grander scale than what I have in mind. You have a few choices: 1) find a site that is already on the Internet and bum a SLIP gateway off of the host. More on this later. 2) Be assigned a new address in the namespace. This is what you saw on nic.ddn.mil.... mega bucks, and you still have to obtain a network *link* (more bucks). 3) Go uucp. This is cheap, cost effective, and easy. :I'm hoping that someone out there who's done this can tell me how to :go about getting assigned an internet address, and what kind of :physical connection they use and to where, and just how massive a :financial outlay is required. (Software is another issue, but I was :going to worry about that later.) : :If this turns out to be impossible, I figure I'll settle for news and :mail via uucp. I know one way to do this, which is to get in contact :with one of the sites on the NIXPUB list. If anybody knows a better :way, I'd like to hear about it. : :And finally, if there is a more appropriate place to post this, :please let me know. (Intensive scrutiny of the list of active :newgorups turned up none which really seemed right, but these :seemed slightly plausible.) : :Please mail replies to me, if there's interest I'll summarize. Somewhere. : :Thanks, :Dave Cottingham :dc@max.berkeley.edu A SLIP gateway is the most economical way to do this. You find a host willing to let you do it. They will assign you an internet name and IP number... something in their domain. (cottingham.berkeley.edu?) ... your home machine will dial in and "log in" to this machine, which will establish an Internet connection. This is much easier if your home machine is a UNIX machine. This requires a modem on each end. Higher speed modems are nicer but more expensive. It may also require a "router," if your home PC is not capable of the hard work. A router is a cheap dedicated computer running something like pcroute. This adds to the cost.... Finding a willing host is the harder part, though. .... Joe ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joe Greco - University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee - Department of Mathematics jgreco@archimedes.math.uwm.edu USnail: Joe Greco Voice: 414/321-6184 9905 W. Montana Ave. Data: 414/321-9287 (Happy Hacker's BBS) West Allis, WI 53227-3329 ICBM: 43 05 20 N 87 53 10 W #include Disclaimer: I don't speak for the Math Department, the University, or myself. From: MX%"sungate!glen@uunet.UU.NET" 16-JAN-1991 10:11:28.92 To: DC CC: Subj: PC Network Hookup Return-Path: <@MAX.BERKELEY.EDU:sungate!glen@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from uunet.UU.NET by MAX.BERKELEY.EDU with SMTP; Wed, 16 Jan 1991 10:11:20 PST Received: from sungate.UUCP by uunet.UU.NET (5.61/1.14) with UUCP id AA10141; Wed, 16 Jan 91 13:15:56 -0500 From: sungate!glen@uunet.UU.NET Message-ID: <9101161815.AA10141@uunet.UU.NET> To: dc@max.berkeley.edu Subject: PC Network Hookup Date: Wed Jan 16 10:57:32 1991 Hello, Dave! I got your article as follows: > From: dc@max.berkeley.edu (Dave Cottingham) > Newsgroups: comp.misc,comp.os.minix,comp.sys.nsc.32k,comp.unix.xenix.sco > Subject: Q: how to make home PC an internet node? > Message-ID: <00942BD0.3790B740@max.berkeley.edu> > Date: 15 Jan 91 17:03:03 GMT > Sender: usenet@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU > Reply-To: dc@max.berkeley.edu (Dave Cottingham) > Organization: University of California, Berkeley > It sure would be great if my PC at home were on the internet. I'm > sure this must be possible, since there are plenty of smallish > businesses on the internet. However, a perusal of the documents at > nic.ddn.mil shows only how to launch a new network, which requires > divine intervention from a government agency, and is definitely of a > grander scale than what I have in mind. Depending on what type of PC you have, you can definitely get hooked up to the net. SCO produces a short version of UNIX (called Xenix) which should satisfy your needs - a version is even available for an 8088-XT based machine. > I'm hoping that someone out there who's done this can tell me how to > go about getting assigned an internet address, and what kind of > physical connection they use and to where, and just how massive a > financial outlay is required. (Software is another issue, but I was > going to worry about that later.) Now, getting a true internet registration cannot be done under Xenix, because it lacks some of the communications systems needed to perform true internet connections. From my experience, you need a minimum 386-based PC, with 2M RAM, at LEAST a 40MB hard drive, and SCO UNIX. If you don't mind being in another domain, instead of having your own, you don't need UNIX. I, for example, have a machine called "sungate", but I'm "in" the UUNET domain. So, instead of being glen@sungate.ORG, I am glen%sungate@uunet.UU.NET... makes no difference to me, but I'm running Xenix, and that's just me. Being in the UUNET domain as I am, I still have full access to news and mail, and 24-hour support from them for changes and problems. Getting news and mail requires a minimum 286-PC, and SCO-Xenix with a minimum of 20MB hard drive and 1M RAM. If you want to store news for a while, you should probably have more space. I have 25 newsgroups coming in here, and they require 10MB for two weeks storage. If you just want mail access, you can do it on an 86-XT machine with 640K and as little as 10MB of hard drive space. SCO's Xenix-86 will do that job nicely. If you have the hardware, the software reatils for about $400 from SCO. Send a message to info@sco.COM for up-to-date pricing, and a sales referral. > If this turns out to be impossible, I figure I'll settle for news and > mail via uucp. I know one way to do this, which is to get in contact > with one of the sites on the NIXPUB list. If anybody knows a better > way, I'd like to hear about it. In any event, many people choose to hook up to a number of networks. The most popular of these is probably UUNET Communications in Fairfax, VA. They offer a full news feed, mail service, FTP's and other services. You can reach them at postmaster@uunet.UU.NET for info; however, I can tell you that, to become a uunet member costs $35/month plus $2/hour connect. There is no setup charge. UUNET can help you register a domain with all the proper people. This is provided free to members, and costs $35 for non members. The uunet postmaster can provide you with more info. For me, I started out not knowing what "uucp" was, and learned everything I know from SCO and UUNET. I recommend you contact them; however, feel free to re-contact me. I'd be happy to help you get set up and, since I'm in the uunet domain, I can get assistance from them for you very quickly. You can reach me again at glen%sungate@uunet.UU.NET . Hope this helps! From: MX%"mjohnsto@govt.shearson.com" 16-JAN-1991 13:39:27.60 To: DC CC: Subj: Q: how to make home PC an internet node? Return-Path: <@MAX.BERKELEY.EDU:slcpi!govt.shearson.com!mjohnsto@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from uunet.UU.NET by MAX.BERKELEY.EDU with SMTP; Wed, 16 Jan 1991 13:39:21 PST Received: from slcpi.UUCP by uunet.UU.NET (5.61/1.14) with UUCP id AA02277; Wed, 16 Jan 91 16:43:57 -0500 Received: from slhsu.slhcmg.shearson.com by govt.shearson.com (4.0/SMI-4.0) id AA10872; Wed, 16 Jan 91 15:54:49 EST Received: from admin8780.slhcmg.shearson.co by slhsu.slhcmg.shearson.com (4.0/SMI-4.1) id AA23419; Wed, 16 Jan 91 15:54:49 EST Date: Wed, 16 Jan 91 15:54:49 EST From: mjohnsto@govt.shearson.com (Mike Johnston) Message-ID: <9101162054.AA23419@slhsu.slhcmg.shearson.com> Received: by admin8780.slhcmg.shearson.com (4.0/SMI-4.1) id AA02806; Wed, 16 Jan 91 15:54:55 EST To: dc@max.berkeley.edu (Dave Cottingham) In-Reply-To: dc@max.berkeley.edu's message of 15 Jan 91 17:03:03 GMT Subject: Q: how to make home PC an internet node? It sure would be great if my PC at home were on the internet. I'm sure this must be possible, since there are plenty of smallish businesses on the internet. However, a perusal of the documents at nic.ddn.mil shows only how to launch a new network, which requires divine intervention from a government agency, and is definitely of a grander scale than what I have in mind. Ok, I'll give it to you straight. Unless you're prepared to spend several thousand dollars for hardware and pay connect costs to the telco of several hundred to several thousand a month I won't get into it. If you are send email. 8-) If this turns out to be impossible, I figure I'll settle for news and mail via uucp. I know one way to do this, which is to get in contact with one of the sites on the NIXPUB list. If anybody knows a better way, I'd like to hear about it. Easy enough. Run SCO Xenix on your PC along with smail 2.5 or smail3.1 and B or C news. Get a connection with either UUNET or PSI. PSI runs about 75/month for unlimited news mail etc. And finally, if there is a more appropriate place to post this, please let me know. (Intensive scrutiny of the list of active newgorups turned up none which really seemed right, but these seemed slightly plausible.) Probably the right place since you have a PC and you'll be running something close to what is used by most people who use this group. -- Michael R. Johnston mjohnsto@shearson.com || mjohnstonn@mcimail.com System Administrator UUCP: uunet!slcpi!mjohnsto Lehman Brothers Inc. Phone: (212) 640-9116 "Unix Uber Alles!" From: MX%"isishq!kesrith!rjbeeth@watmath.waterloo.edu" 17-JAN-1991 03:09:11.54 To: DC CC: Subj: Q: how to make home PC an internet node? Return-Path: <@MAX.BERKELEY.EDU:isishq!kesrith!rjbeeth@watmath.waterloo.edu> Received: from watmath.waterloo.edu by MAX.BERKELEY.EDU with SMTP; Thu, 17 Jan 1991 03:09:04 PST Received: from isishq.UUCP by watmath.waterloo.edu with UUCP id ; Thu, 17 Jan 91 06:09:59 EST Received: by isishq.fidonet.org (DistNet 5.42B) via UUCP; Thu, 17 Jan 91 03:52:46 EST for max.berkeley.edu!dc Received: by kesrith.uucp (DistNet 5.32B) via UUCP; Wed, 16 Jan 91 23:22:13 EST for max.berkeley.edu!dc To: isishq!max.berkeley.edu!dc@watmath.waterloo.edu From: isishq!kesrith!rjbeeth@watmath.waterloo.edu (Rick Beetham) Subject: Q: how to make home PC an internet node? In-Reply-To: <00942BD0.3790B740@max.berkeley.edu> Message-ID: <188290838D5.35B@kesrith.uucp> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 91 23:22:11 EST Organization: Distnet Beta Leaf Node X-Mailer: DistNet [version 5.35B] In <00942BD0.3790B740@max.berkeley.edu> (Dave Cottingham) writes: > It sure would be great if my PC at home were on the internet. I'm > sure this must be possible, since there are plenty of smallish > businesses on the internet. However, a perusal of the documents at > nic.ddn.mil shows only how to launch a new network, which requires > divine intervention from a government agency, and is definitely of a > grander scale than what I have in mind. > > I'm hoping that someone out there who's done this can tell me how to > go about getting assigned an internet address, and what kind of > physical connection they use and to where, and just how massive a > financial outlay is required. (Software is another issue, but I was > going to worry about that later.) > > If this turns out to be impossible, I figure I'll settle for news and > mail via uucp. I know one way to do this, which is to get in contact > with one of the sites on the NIXPUB list. If anybody knows a better > way, I'd like to hear about it. > Thanks, > Dave Cottingham > dc@max.berkeley.edu Dave, Not sure if this fits exactly what you are looking for or not. Is it that you don't know how to register your address or is it that you don't know how to go about creating a site for yourself at home? If it is the latter then I think it should be fairly straight forward. I originally contacted UNIFORUM trying to just get access to email & USENET News. Through my contacts there they put me in contact with a local outfit (SKAN) who were working on a new software product called DISTNET. I was fortunate enough to be given an offer to become a Beta Tester for them, which has worked out extremely well for me in that 1) I have developed a very good friendship with Doug Thompson - without a doubt the driving force behind the program and 2) NEWS and email access to the network via my own PC. It is great! I have heard of several products that are available for DOS machines that will allow them to do this. DistNet is very similar to another product called WAFFLE, I have downloaded WAFFLE and taken a look at the documentation and found it very confusing and intimidating (after having become used to DistNet) I have also heard of several others called UUPC and I believe UULINK. DistNet is designed to be simple to set up, simple to use and simple to maintain. The hardware necessary to run the program can be very simple (even an XT) - I myself started on a 286 with a hard-disk and a 2400 baud modem. I think the weekest link is the modem 2400 baud is very very slow for transfering a lot of mail and wish I could afford a telebit modem for much faster transfers. DistNet is now going into it's final stages of Beta Testing before being released into the open arena. The whole key to setting up any sort of "leaf node" as DistNet calls my PC is to have a host that is already connected to the network and has email and news capability. If you already have a host available then all you really need is a PC with hard disk (if you are planning to get a lot of NEWS I recommend planning 30 Megs of hard disk for it) and a fast modem that can communicate with it (9600 HST, Telebit, etc). As for the software itself I will let the introduction to the manual talk for itself: "DistNet is a subset implementation of unix uucp mail and news for MS-DOS computers. Its overall structure and operations will look quite familiar to those experienced with unix uucp. This version of DistNet is designed to enable a DOS PC to become a uucp site and interact with a uucp host exactly as any other uucp site does over the modem. To use it you must, therefore, have a site to call, and that site must give you a uucp login account and you must agree with the postmaster there as to what your site name will be. UUCP stands for Unix-to-Unix-CoPy, and is one of the most popular and common (and thus one of the most useful) electronic mail systems in use in the world today. A vast world of networking is accessible to uucp/modem users who have compatible software through existing links between many uucp machines and the internet, and through the uucp mapping project which makes it possible for connected sites to exchange mail with millions of computer users all over the world. This package includes user interface software to enable you to read and write mail messages, along with uucico to conduct uucp sessions with other uucp sites, and uux and uuxqt to sort and file both inbound and outbound mail. Aliases, forward, paths, and signature files may be created along with multiple user accounts for the machine running DistNet version 5. DistNet also includes utilities to facilitate exchanging other files with direct uucp neighbours, as well as transferring files by mail to those who are not direct uucp neighbours. All of these are (to the best of our knowledge) wholly compatible with unix systems. The DOS user will encounter frequent 'unixisms' since this software is essentially a subset of the capabilities unix users often take for granted. The difference is, this runs on DOS, and thus contains some 'DOSisms' which will strike the ear of the unix user as unfamiliar. Most of the central capabilities of uucp are accessible to the DistNet user in a form fully compatible with common practice and standards in use in the unix electronic mail world. In addition this package contains a menu program which integrates all the pieces into a user-friendly installation which requires very little experience to operate. The system configuration can be inspected or altered through another menu program, accessible through the main menu program or the command line such that the user never need pay detailed attention to the inevitably complex" I don't have a firm date for the actual release of their software but if you need more information then I do recommend you talking to Doug directly. He can be reached by the following means. UUCP: isishq!testsys!doug DNS: doug@isishq.fidonet.org Voice: 613-722-4724 Fido: Doug Thompson on 1:163/162 POST: P.0. Box 3041, Stn C., Ottawa, K1Y 4J3, CANADA Hope this rather long response (sorry I do get carried away with myself) is helpful to you. Good luck in your quest - I have found that there are a lot of good and very helpful people out here and I am sure that you will shortly get all the answers you need. Take Care, Rick Beetham -- {...}isishq!kesrith!rjbeeth | Nepean, Ontario rjbeeth@isishq.fidonet.org From: MX%"rfarris@rfengr.com" 17-JAN-1991 10:22:30.93 To: DC CC: Subj: Return-Path: <@MAX.BERKELEY.EDU:serene!rfarris@UCSD.EDU> Received: from ucsd.edu by MAX.BERKELEY.EDU with SMTP; Thu, 17 Jan 1991 10:22:24 PST Received: from serene.UUCP by ucsd.edu; id AA10148 sendmail 5.64/UCSD-2.1-sun via UUCP Thu, 17 Jan 91 09:40:48 -0800 From: rfarris@rfengr.com (Rick Farris) X-Mailer: SCO System V Mail (version 3.2) To: dc@max.berkeley.edu Date: Thu, 17 Jan 91 9:25:43 PST Message-ID: <9101170925.aa13490@serene.rfengr.com> To: dc@max.berkeley.edu CC: dc@max.berkeley.edu In-reply-to: dc@max.berkeley.edu's message of Wed, 16 Jan 1991 10:53:23 PST <00942ca8.cbb8f080.3051@max.berkeley.edu> Subject: Q: how to make home PC an internet node? > Could you tell me how you went about getting an internet > address? I'm not sure whether you mean an Internet address like this: rfarris@rfengr.com or one like this: 141.193.1.1 In the case of the first, you have to find a mail forwarder that is on the Internet. Uunet is the most accessible. If you choose to open an account with uunet they will do the paperwork to get you set up for free. As a matter of fact, I think uunet will process the paperwork for anyone for $35 or so, but if you don't connect with them you have to find another mail forwarder. In the case of the second, write to hostmaster@nic.ddn.mil and they will send you a form to fill out. (You have to have the first address before you can be assigned a numerical IP address.) -- Rick Farris RF Engineering POB M Del Mar, CA 92014 voice (619) 259-6793 rfarris@rfengr.com ...!ucsd!serene!rfarris serenity bbs 259-7757 From: MX%"greg%turbo.atl.ga.us@mathcs.emory.edu" 18-JAN-1991 15:32:08.56 To: DC CC: Subj: Re: Q: how to make home PC an internet node? Return-Path: <@MAX.BERKELEY.EDU:greg@turbo.atl.ga.us> Received: from emory.mathcs.emory.edu by MAX.BERKELEY.EDU with SMTP; Fri, 18 Jan 1991 15:31:59 PST Received: from turbo.UUCP by emory.mathcs.emory.edu (5.59/2.15.EUCC-MathCS) via UUCP id AA07454 ; Fri, 18 Jan 91 18:33:37 EST Return-Path: greg@turbo.atl.ga.us Received: by turbo.atl.ga.us (1.63/waf) via UUCP; Fri, 18 Jan 91 17:12:07 EST for dc@max.berkeley.edu To: dc@max.berkeley.edu (Dave Cottingham) Subject: Re: Q: how to make home PC an internet node? From: greg%turbo.atl.ga.us@mathcs.emory.edu (Greg Montgomery) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 91 17:12:07 EST In-Reply-To: <00942BD0.3790B740@max.berkeley.edu> Organization: Montgomery Consultants, Inc. dc@max.berkeley.edu (Dave Cottingham) writes: > It sure would be great if my PC at home were on the internet. I'm > sure this must be possible, since there are plenty of smallish > businesses on the internet. However, a perusal of the documents at > nic.ddn.mil shows only how to launch a new network, which requires > divine intervention from a government agency, and is definitely of a > grander scale than what I have in mind. I'm sure it's pretty expensive. I have a internet address, but am actually just a UUCP node. This is what many companies do. I think for Internet access, you have to have a leased line, and pay charges to UUNet or whoever your provider is. It won't be cheap. It's much easier just to get an Internet adddress, but stay UUCP... ---- Greg Montgomery | Montgomery Consultants, Inc. | Atlanta, Georgia, U.S.A Internet: greg@turbo.atl.ga.us | Home of the '96 UUCP: {rutgers,ogcise,gatech}!emory!turbo!greg | Olympics! From: MX%"railnet!rad@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu" 18-JAN-1991 18:41:58.79 To: DC CC: Subj: Re: Q: how to make home PC an internet node? Return-Path: <@MAX.BERKELEY.EDU:ncoast!nshore!railnet!rad@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Received: from usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu by MAX.BERKELEY.EDU with SMTP; Fri, 18 Jan 1991 18:41:52 PST Received: from ncoast.UUCP by usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu with UUCP (5.61+ida+/CWRU-1.4-UUCPGW) id AA20315; Fri, 18 Jan 91 21:46:30 -0500 (from ncoast!nshore!railnet!rad for dc@max.berkeley.edu) Received: by ncoast.ORG (smail2.5) id AA02253; 18 Jan 91 15:02:11 EST (Fri) Received: by nshore.uucp (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.32) id ; Fri, 18 Jan 91 13:46 EST Received: by railnet.UUCP (1.63/waf) via UUCP; Fri, 18 Jan 91 12:33:42 EST for dc@max.berkeley.edu To: dc@max.berkeley.edu (Dave Cottingham) Subject: Re: Q: how to make home PC an internet node? From: railnet!rad@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu (Rick DeMattia) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Jan 91 12:33:38 EST In-Reply-To: <00942BD0.3790B740@max.berkeley.edu> Organization: Railnet BBS +1 216 883 6298 dc@max.berkeley.edu (Dave Cottingham) writes: > It sure would be great if my PC at home were on the internet. I'm > sure this must be possible, since there are plenty of smallish > businesses on the internet. However, a perusal of the documents at > nic.ddn.mil shows only how to launch a new network, which requires > divine intervention from a government agency, and is definitely of a > grander scale than what I have in mind. > If you have $30,000 to spare I think you will enjoy putting your home system on the Internet. On the other hand, if you want Usenet news and uucp mail, you can run Waffle software ($30 to register the MS-DOS shareware version). It works! Check out newsgroup alt.bbs.waffle for more information. From: MX%"jpq@laue.ms.nwu.edu" 20-JAN-1991 11:14:05.55 To: DC CC: Subj: Re: Q: how to make home PC an internet node? Return-Path: <@MAX.BERKELEY.EDU:jpq@laue.ms.nwu.edu> Received: from laue.ms.nwu.edu by MAX.BERKELEY.EDU with SMTP; Sun, 20 Jan 1991 11:13:58 PST Received: from ewald.ms.nwu.edu by laue.ms.nwu.edu (4.1/SMI-NWU-1.01) id AA00910; Sun, 20 Jan 91 13:13:28 CST Date: Sun, 20 Jan 91 13:13:28 CST From: jpq@laue.ms.nwu.edu (John Quintana) Message-ID: <9101201913.AA00910@laue.ms.nwu.edu> Received: by ewald.ms.nwu.edu (4.1/SMI-NWU-1.01) id AA02750; Sun, 20 Jan 91 13:22:43 CST To: dc@max.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: Q: how to make home PC an internet node? Newsgroups: comp.misc,comp.os.minix,comp.sys.nsc.32k,comp.unix.xenix.sco In-Reply-To: <00942BD0.3790B740@max.berkeley.edu> Organization: Academic Computing and Network Services, Evanston, Il. X-MX-Warning: Warning -- Invalid "CC" header. CC: In article <00942BD0.3790B740@max.berkeley.edu> you write: >It sure would be great if my PC at home were on the internet. I'm >sure this must be possible, since there are plenty of smallish >businesses on the internet. However, a perusal of the documents at >nic.ddn.mil shows only how to launch a new network, which requires >divine intervention from a government agency, and is definitely of a >grander scale than what I have in mind. > >I'm hoping that someone out there who's done this can tell me how to >go about getting assigned an internet address, and what kind of >physical connection they use and to where, and just how massive a >financial outlay is required. (Software is another issue, but I was >going to worry about that later.) > >If this turns out to be impossible, I figure I'll settle for news and >mail via uucp. I know one way to do this, which is to get in contact >with one of the sites on the NIXPUB list. If anybody knows a better >way, I'd like to hear about it. > >And finally, if there is a more appropriate place to post this, >please let me know. (Intensive scrutiny of the list of active >newgorups turned up none which really seemed right, but these >seemed slightly plausible.) > >Please mail replies to me, if there's interest I'll summarize. Somewhere. > >Thanks, >Dave Cottingham >dc@max.berkeley.edu You only need to do 2 things. 1) Get a copy of a uucp mailer/news reader availiable for DOS. I use FSUUCP which can be obtained from wuarchive.wustl.edu or polyslo.calpoly.edu. Its very easy to set up. 2) Get a local unix machine to give you a news feed. I see your in the Physics Dept at Berkeley (I did my undergrad there). You should be able to swing a news/mail UUCP account from one of the local machines. I see that max.berkeley.edu is a VMS system;so you might have to go over to EECS or somebody that has a UNIX box somewhere. After you have your account, you just have to be registered with a local nameserver. They place a record in the nameserver tables that says that all mail to your home machine should actually be sent to the UNIX box. You then poll the UNIX box at your leisure to get your mail. I have a timer on my PC that picks up my mail once a day while I'm asleep. Hope this helps. - John From: MX%"voder!nsc!jrr@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU" 21-JAN-1991 19:44:38.50 To: DC CC: Subj: Re: Q: how to make home PC an internet node? Return-Path: <@MAX.BERKELEY.EDU:voder!nsc!jrr@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU> Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by MAX.BERKELEY.EDU with SMTP; Mon, 21 Jan 1991 19:44:30 PST Received: from voder.UUCP by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.42) id AA17110; Mon, 21 Jan 91 19:40:56 -0800 Received: from nsc.UUCP by voder.nsc.com (5.61/1.34) with UUCP id AA25565 for max.berkeley.edu!dc; Mon, 21 Jan 91 17:57:17 -0800 Received: by nsc.nsc.com (5.61/1.34) id AA11370 for dc; Mon, 21 Jan 91 17:24:31 -0800 Date: Mon, 21 Jan 91 17:24:31 -0800 From: voder!nsc!jrr@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Jerry Roe) Message-ID: <9101220124.AA11370@nsc.nsc.com> To: dc@max.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: Q: how to make home PC an internet node? Organization: National Semiconductor, Santa Clara In article <00942BD0.3790B740@max.berkeley.edu> you write: >It sure would be great if my PC at home were on the internet. I'm >sure this must be possible, since there are plenty of smallish >businesses on the internet. However, a perusal of the documents at >nic.ddn.mil shows only how to launch a new network, which requires >divine intervention from a government agency, and is definitely of a >grander scale than what I have in mind. Dave, I think you'll find it to cost a bit more than you want to spend. Here at National we still don't have a "true" Internet connection; we're just well-connected UUCP-wise and our Telebits get a good workout (we're a news-feed site for a number of others) {:^). That's supposedly going to change sometime this year, but it requires (unless the rules have changed) an up-front $$ layout for some kind of network interface equip- ment and then a dedicated line to your site (as in T1 or something similar). However, unless your goal is to have ftp access, it's not much of a handicap because we do have an Internet domain name (nsc.com) so mail, news, etc. works just fine. You might be able to do the same. Good luck. Jerry Roe National Semiconductor Article 11878 of comp.misc: Path: agate!apple!julius.cs.uiuc.edu!psuvax1!psuvm!ysub!doug From: DOUG@ysub.ysu.edu (Doug Sewell) Newsgroups: comp.misc Subject: Re: Q: how to make home PC an internet node? Message-ID: <91016.224746DOUG@ysub.ysu.edu> Date: 17 Jan 91 03:47:46 GMT References: <00942BD0.3790B740@max.berkeley.edu> Distribution: usa Organization: Youngstown State University VM system (YSUB) Lines: 58 (note: this followup is only going to comp.misc) A couple of ideas: 1. If I was running 2400-baud or less, I wouldn't run TCP/IP, I'd settle for UUCP. MS-DOS based programs for usenet news and e-mail are Waffle, fsuucp, and the soon-to-be-released fsbbs (I believe it's in beta). Waffle is a multiple-user system that can be configured as a bbs, or with separate user-names for husband/wife/each kid/etc. I believe FSBBS has the same facilities. FSUUCP is more single-user oriented, based on the docs I've read. I'm looking into setting up Waffle. For more information, look in alt.bbs or alt.bbs.waffle. 2. To run TCP from home, you'll probably want to run some type of dial-up IP connection. There are several MS-DOS TCP software packages that can use FTP Software's packet driver interface - KA9Q is probably what I'd pick for home use. You need a 'packet driver' that speaks a protocol you can use - there's one for SLIP (serial-line IP) that will run with KA9Q. PPP is a more-sophisticated dial-up protocol - I don't know much about it - and I don't know if there's a MS-DOS packet driver for it yet. Check comp.protocols.tcp-ip.ibmpc for more information. 3. You need a site to connect to. Sometimes universities or employers will offer this to you for free or a reasonable price. Sites on the 'nixpub' public-access unix lists may be able to set you up with a UUCP newsfeed/mail. 4. The easiest way to get a domain-name is to get one in the .us domain - there's no charge, you can fill out the application by e-mail. You need to know what configuration you're using (TCP or UUCP) and have it somewhat-working before you can answer the questions. I don't remember where you can ftp the information from, but if nothing else you can e-mail Ann Westine (westine@isi.edu) and ask for information - Ann is the domain-coordinator for the .us domain. If your connection is uucp, you can go with the more-traditional 7-or-less-characters.uucp site name. In this case, your entry should go into the UUCP maps. The Waffle docs talk about getting a UUCP connection. Some of the ideas would be equally applicable for TCP connections. 5. USR HST modems are not particularly good for UUCP use. The Telebit Trailblazer seems to be the "standard" modem for high-speed UUCP connections. I probably would choose a V.32 modem of some sorts, but all of this is based on discussions in alt.bbs. Most of the software is available via anon FTP from wuarchive.wustl.edu - look in /mirrors/msdos/bbs for waffle, /mirrors/msdos/uucp for fsuucp, and /mirrors/msdos/ka9q-tcpip (I think - I'm doing this all from memory). Hope this helps. -- Doug Sewell, Tech Support, Computer Center, doug@ysub.bitnet Youngstown State University, Youngstown, OH 44555 doug@ysub.ysu.edu Blessed are the pessimists, for they have made backups. Article 11903 of comp.misc: Xref: agate comp.misc:11903 comp.os.minix:14510 comp.sys.nsc.32k:1538 comp.unix.xenix.sco:1465 Path: agate!apple!usc!samsung!uunet!dsuvax!ghelmer From: ghelmer@dsuvax.uucp (Guy Helmer) Newsgroups: comp.misc,comp.os.minix,comp.sys.nsc.32k,comp.unix.xenix.sco Subject: Re: Q: how to make home PC an internet node? Message-ID: <1991Jan19.184735.12103@dsuvax.uucp> Date: 19 Jan 91 18:47:35 GMT References: <00942BD0.3790B740@max.berkeley.edu> <155838@felix.UUCP> Distribution: usa Organization: Dakota State University Lines: 44 In <155838@felix.UUCP> asylvain@felix.UUCP (Alvin "the Chipmunk" Sylvain) writes: >In article <00942BD0.3790B740@max.berkeley.edu> dc@max.berkeley.edu (Dave Cottingham) writes: >> It sure would be great if my PC at home were on the internet. I'm >> sure this must be possible, since there are plenty of smallish >> businesses on the internet. However, a perusal of the documents at >> nic.ddn.mil shows only how to launch a new network, which requires >> divine intervention from a government agency, and is definitely of a >> grander scale than what I have in mind. >There is interest. [...] Sites attached to the internet such that they send may send packets across NSFnet or other parts of the federally funded internet must have some relation to institutions or groups that are doing research under federal funding or are educational institutions. It's hard to find out exactly where the line is drawn, but this could rule out home ip sites unless one is involved with federal research or a university. If you are involved like this, it shouldn't be too hard to talk to your network administration and find out details of how to connect remotely to your IP net, if they will allow it. Otherwise, you will have to either be rich or have a real good reason to be on an IP net. Two commercial internet providers are UUNET Communications, which runs AlterNET, and PSI, which runs PSInet. These two providers give services which range from 9600 baud dialup to T1 (1.544Mbaud) dedicated IP service. You can't send packets from AlterNET or PSInet across NSFnet or the DDN unless you, once again, are doing federal research or are involved with a university. This makes the AlterNET and PSInet services good for connecting geographically separated portions of a company's network, but poor for your average Joe at home that wants to FTP stuff from NSFnet sites. AlterNET and PSInet people will help take care of the site setup and administration details, but they get paid well to do that. If we could just get the feds to change their restrictions on the use of the NSF & other backbones... 1/2 :-) Followups should probably go to email, since there isn't a usenet group that discusses this subject. -- More information that you couldn't have existed another day without, from: Guy Helmer helmer@sdnet.bitnet, uunet!dsuvax!ghelmer work: DSU Computing Services (605) 256-5315 play: MidIX System Support Services - Crufty Hacks 'R' Us (605) 256-2788 From: MX%"ben%banzai.pcc.com@griffin.UVM.EDU" 23-JAN-1991 09:39:37.67 To: DC CC: Subj: Re: Q: how to make home PC an internet node? Return-Path: <@MAX.BERKELEY.EDU:banzai!ben@griffin.UVM.EDU> Received: from uvm-gen.uvm.edu by MAX.BERKELEY.EDU with SMTP; Wed, 23 Jan 1991 09:39:29 PST Received: by UVM.EDU (5.64+/1.08) id AA17455; Wed, 23 Jan 91 12:42:19 -0500 Received: by banzai.PCC.COM (smail2.5) id AA02456; 23 Jan 91 12:37:39 EST (Wed) To: dc@max.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: Q: how to make home PC an internet node? Newsgroups: comp.misc,comp.os.minix,comp.sys.nsc.32k,comp.unix.xenix.sco In-Reply-To: <00942BD0.3790B740@max.berkeley.edu> Organization: The People's Computer Company X-MX-Warning: Warning -- Invalid "CC" header. CC: Message-ID: <9101231237.AA02452@banzai.PCC.COM> Date: 23 Jan 91 12:37:38 EST (Wed) From: ben%banzai.pcc.com@griffin.UVM.EDU (Ben Deliduka) One way to get an internet address for a PC at home, is to get a FIDO address (look for local FIDO BBS's and check with them about getting an address) after you have that, sent FIDO-NET Mail to 325/101 (James Pallack) and ask him for the required programs, as he has such a gateway working here in Vermont, and I have passed several files and such through that gateway to and from work... - Ben From: MX%"halcyon!ralphs@sumax.seattleu.edu" 24-JAN-1991 23:40:39.36 To: DC CC: Subj: Re: Q: how to make home PC an internet node? Return-Path: <@MAX.BERKELEY.EDU:halcyon!ralphs@sumax.seattleu.edu> Received: from sumax.seattleu.edu by MAX.BERKELEY.EDU with SMTP; Thu, 24 Jan 1991 23:40:30 PST Received: by sumax.seattleu.edu id AA17968 (5.64+/IDA-1.3.4 for dc@max.berkeley.edu); Thu, 24 Jan 91 23:50:24 -0800 Received: by halcyon.uucp (1.64/waf) via UUCP; Thu, 24 Jan 91 20:44:26 PST for dc@max.berkeley.edu To: dc@max.berkeley.edu (Dave Cottingham) Subject: Re: Q: how to make home PC an internet node? From: halcyon!ralphs@sumax.seattleu.edu (Ralph Sims) Comments: The 23:00 News - +1 206 292.9048 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 24 Jan 91 20:44:25 PST In-Reply-To: <00942BD0.3790B740@max.berkeley.edu> Organization: The 23:00 News dc@max.berkeley.edu (Dave Cottingham) writes: > I'm hoping that someone out there who's done this can tell me how to > go about getting assigned an internet address, and what kind of > physical connection they use and to where, and just how massive a > financial outlay is required. (Software is another issue, but I was > going to worry about that later.) Send mail to info@psi.com. They operate a network that has direct dialup internet addressing. They are a tad pricey, but should offer what you want. They have a multitude of services, including Usenet and email, sortof like uunet but geared more towards the commercial end. From: MX%"" 15-JAN-1991 10:42:10.13 To: DC CC: Subj: Re: Q: Is packet radio hookup to internet feasible? Return-Path: <@MAX.BERKELEY.EDU:torbortc@clutx.clarkson.edu> Received: from omnigate.clarkson.edu by MAX.BERKELEY.EDU with SMTP; Tue, 15 Jan 1991 10:42:03 PST Received: from clutx.clarkson.edu by omnigate.clarkson.edu id aa09344; 15 Jan 91 13:07 EST Received: by clutx.clarkson.edu (5.54/5.17) id AA12390; Tue, 15 Jan 91 13:07:13 EST Date: Tue, 15 Jan 91 13:07:13 EST From: Tadd Message-ID: <9101151807.AA12390@clutx.clarkson.edu> To: dc@max.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: Q: Is packet radio hookup to internet feasible? dc@max.berkeley.edu (Dave Cottingham): > I think having my PC at home be an internet node would be quite > convenient. I'm wondering if packet radio is a good (or legal) way of > doing this. If anyone is doing this, how do you get an internet > address assigned to you? > > Please mail replies to me, if there's interest, I'll summarize. > > Thanks, > Dave Cottingham > dc@max.berkeley.edu Dave, This has been covered on this net before (several times in the past 6 months in fact). The upshot has been that making a linkup so that a Ham can telnet to you over internet and then use your station is legal and fine. To have a ham read internet mail without going over the radio (i.e. a local console on the internet computer) and then having that ham post those articles he finds of interrest onto ham packet is legal and fine. THe questionable stuff is where a ham can log onto an internet machine via packet and then play around out on the internet, including reading mail and news. That would not be legal unless ALL of the stuff that he has access to is previewed by a ham. Also, using ham for a link between two "internet" machines is not legal as the traffic between the machines could have lots of non-ham traffic across it. You might find the part 97 rules interresting to read. I'm sure there's a copy on the internet someplace. (I hope there is). The neat project would be to define a mod to the news header that internet currently uses to include a 'read by a ham' spot that would include the ham's callsign. Then at your gateway between ham and internet you could check for that semiphore and pass or not pass the traffic depending on it. Hmmmm... =8^) From: MX%"gt4393c@prism.gatech.edu" 15-JAN-1991 11:21:35.86 To: DC CC: Subj: Re: Q: Is packet radio hookup to internet feasible? Return-Path: <@MAX.BERKELEY.EDU:gt4393c@prism.gatech.edu> Received: from hydra.gatech.edu by MAX.BERKELEY.EDU with SMTP; Tue, 15 Jan 1991 11:21:29 PST Received: from richsun11.gatech.edu by hydra.gatech.edu (5.61/3.1) id AA16178; Tue, 15 Jan 91 14:26:03 -0500 Received: by prism.gatech.edu (4.1/1.0) id AA19642; Tue, 15 Jan 91 14:25:57 EST Date: Tue, 15 Jan 91 14:25:57 EST From: gt4393c@prism.gatech.edu Message-ID: <9101151925.AA19642@prism> To: dc@max.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: Q: Is packet radio hookup to internet feasible? Newsgroups: rec.ham-radio.packet In-Reply-To: <00942BD1.3B27CB40@max.berkeley.edu> Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology X-MX-Warning: Warning -- Invalid "CC" header. CC: Hey There, This question keeps popping up, along with the usual legality debate. The debate usually centers around the feasibility of filtering unwanted text strings, business communications, etc. The bottom line seems to be that it would be nigh impossible to automatically monitor and filter all incoming traffic so to make it suitable for packet radio. I know ... our club had this idea about 5 years ago ... it seems to pop up on this board about every month or so. 73, -Ivan KB5BBD gt4393c@prism.gatech.edu From: MX%"xanadu!jeff@uunet.UU.NET" 16-JAN-1991 10:36:12.05 To: DC CC: Subj: Re: Q: Is packet radio hookup to internet feasible? Return-Path: <@MAX.BERKELEY.EDU:xanadu!jeff@uunet.UU.NET> Received: from uunet.UU.NET by MAX.BERKELEY.EDU with SMTP; Wed, 16 Jan 1991 10:36:00 PST Received: from xanadu.UUCP by uunet.UU.NET (5.61/1.14) with UUCP id AA18093; Wed, 16 Jan 91 13:40:33 -0500 Received: by xanadu (4.1/SMI-4.0.2) id AA05045; Wed, 16 Jan 91 10:17:34 PST Date: Wed, 16 Jan 91 10:17:34 PST From: xanadu!jeff@uunet.UU.NET (Jeff Crilly N6ZFX) Message-ID: <9101161817.AA05045@xanadu > To: xanadu!max.berkeley.edu!dc@uunet.UU.NET Subject: Re: Q: Is packet radio hookup to internet feasible? Newsgroups: rec.ham-radio.packet In-Reply-To: <00942BD1.3B27CB40@max.berkeley.edu> Organization: Xanadu Operating Company X-MX-Warning: Warning -- Invalid "CC" header. CC: In article <00942BD1.3B27CB40@max.berkeley.edu> you write: >I think having my PC at home be an internet node would be quite >convenient. I'm wondering if packet radio is a good (or legal) way of >doing this. If anyone is doing this, how do you get an internet >address assigned to you? > >Please mail replies to me, if there's interest, I'll summarize. > >Thanks, >Dave Cottingham >dc@max.berkeley.edu People will tell you this is illegal. Or at least that the persone providing the packet/internet gateway would be open to the problem of passing traffic on the air that might be illegal. Anyhow, last night I monitored some tcpip transmissions. And the headers on the smtp packets were from amdahl.com. So some folks are doing it. Also the message talked about how wonderful packet radio was and that there was gateways to the internet. I just caught this in trace mode. If you hear any responses of folks doing this, please let me know. Jeff Crilly (N6ZFX) AMIX Corporation 2345 Yale Street Palo Alto, CA 94306 jeff@markets.amix.com, {uunet,sun}!markets!jeff, N6ZFX@N6IIU.#NOCAL.CA.USA From: MX%"Mark@ARDSLEY.Business.UWO.CA" 19-JAN-1991 23:30:22.38 To: DC CC: Subj: In-Reply-To: Q: Is packet radio hookup to internet feasible? Return-Path: <@MAX.BERKELEY.EDU:Mark@ARDSLEY.Business.UWO.CA> Received: from ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU by MAX.BERKELEY.EDU with SMTP; Sat, 19 Jan 1991 23:30:15 PST Received: from [129.100.1.23] by ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (5.63/1.42) id AA25759; Sat, 19 Jan 91 23:34:27 -0800 Received: from ardsley.business.uwo.ca by ria.ccs.uwo.ca with SMTP; (id AA15628) Sun, 20 Jan 91 02:33:40 -0500 Date: Sun, 20 Jan 91 02:09:10 EST From: "Mark Bramwell" Message-ID: <13946.Mark@ARDSLEY.Business.UWO.CA> To: DC@max.Berkeley.EDU (Dave Cottingham) Reply-To: Mark@ARDSLEY.Business.UWO.CA Subject: In-Reply-To: Q: Is packet radio hookup to internet feasible? My machine (this machine) is on the internet. I work in the computer dept at the local university and I simply assigned myself a non 44.x.x.x address, otherwise known as a 'real' ip address. Works great. I can send/receive internet mail, and I can also ftp to any ip address. My address at home is 129.100.29.33 Legal? Who knows, ask me no questions, and I tell you no lies.... The only 'complaints' I have ever seen where from some hams who eventually started doing the same thing. I do not use the link for business, I simply receive info-hams, info-packet, and IBMPC-L via smtp. The only legal issue is probally the un-attended running of a packet station. I feel that most people forget that it is only a hobby, to be enjoyed, and not something to fight about at all times. PS: I am at 1200 baud now, but I just bought a pair of mfj 2400 TNCs. Hope to speed up the link. Maybe next year, DSY modems for real speed! > Date: 15 Jan 91 17:10:19 GMT > From: DC%max.Berkeley.EDU@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU (Dave Cottingham) > Subject: Q: Is packet radio hookup to internet feasible? > To: packet-radio@ucsd.edu > > I think having my PC at home be an internet node would be quite > convenient. I'm wondering if packet radio is a good (or legal) way of > doing this. If anyone is doing this, how do you get an internet > address assigned to you? > > Please mail replies to me, if there's interest, I'll summarize. > > Thanks, > Dave Cottingham > dc@max.berkeley.edu > > ------------------------------ > > End of Packet-Radio Digest > ****************************** > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Mark Bramwell, VE3PZR Located in sunny London, Ontario Internet: Mark@ARDSLEY.business.uwo.ca IP Address: 129.100.29.33 Packet: VE3PZR @ VE3GYQ UWO Phone: (519) 661-3714 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- End of messages. Downloaded From P-80 International Information Systems 304-744-2253