Date: Mon, 29 Mar 93 11:15:00 PST
From: erikn@BOA.MITRON.TEK.COM(Erik Nilsson)
Subject: File 3--Re: Debating the Virus contest - 2 (#5.23)

Roy Batchelor Writes:

 > Surely, Mr. Ludwig would not hold me responsible for the
 > destruction of his home caused by someone who decided to
implement
 > the plans I presented purely for "scientific research purposes".

And Mr. Ludwig would be right.  In fact, there are lots of Little
Black Books of Bomb Making Techniques in existence, and a News
conference (Alt.rec.fireworks) that could also fairly be named
Alt.rec.explosives.manufacture or Alt.rec.bombs.  Yes, people do
blow
things up for the fun of it, and it turns out that we live in some
facsimile of a free society where you can say and think a pretty
wide
range of things, and even do a pretty wide range of things, without
much more than applying for a permit without drooling on yourself.

If I write a book on gravity, and someone tries to drop a piano on
you, do you think you have a case for some reason?

For me, the analogy with viri is imperfect, because I can't imagine
why someone would waste their time writing one.  Of course, people
could fairly wonder why I get several dozen of my friends together
at
least once a year to burn, detonate, and obliterate objects of
varying
artistic value.

In any case, I consider credit databases, CNID, and the FBI wiretap
proposal far more dangerous to my way of life than computer viri.

Oh yes, here's a simple bomb:

1. Apply for an explosives handling permit from your state Fire
   Marshall.  Tell them you have a few stumps that you need to get
rid
   of.

2. Take the permit and your driver's license to your local farm
supply
   store, and buy the following:
 - Explosive of your choice.  Dynamite has a quaint charm, but the
   plastic stuff is better.
 - A blasting cap.
 - A firing kit.
 - Several pounds of concrete anchors.
 - A roll of duct tape.

3. If it isn't obvious what to do from here, you shouldn't be
making
   bombs.

4. Modern explosives are probably a lot more powerful than you
think.
   Start with small amounts, a LONG WAYS away from where you are.
   Wear ear and eye protection.  Be careful, etc, etc.

A friendly warning: this is not a good way to make a bomb that is
really going to upset anyone, since commercial explosives are
widely
reputed to have impurities imbedded in them for tracing.


Here's the infamous "Dry Ice Bomb," this version off of
Alt.Rec.Fireworks (posted by Eric Donaldson):

    -   dry ice
    -   water
    -   container
    -   a cap that fits tightly on the container

    -   Mix in an open environment.
    -   [apply the cap & run like hell (always "like hell" on
        principle, you never "run laconically" from an imminent
        explosion)]
    -   Wait somewhere btw 1-30 minutes.
    -   and do not go near unless you want to risk your life.

I'd like to emphasize this last point.  It's a good idea to have
some
sort of firearm handy to trigger the thing if it fails to go off by
itself, so you don't spend all afternoon throwing rocks at it (you
can
NOT just leave it for someone to find.).  I personally would not do
this with a glass container, 2 liter plastic bottles work just
fine.
Dry ice bombs are pretty safe, unless you have a short attention
span.

Do not handle dry ice with your bare hands.

You might want to check local laws before making one of these, as
they
are major illegal in some places.

For more info, try Alt.Rec.Fireworks, Protechnic Guild
International
(18021 Baseline Avenue, Jordan, MN 55352), or American Fireworks
News
(Star Route Box 30, Dingmans Ferry, PA 18328).

Here's an older list of pyro BBSs:

Name            Phone Number    Location
Evergreen Micro (206)452-2012   Port Angles, WA
Exchange of Byte(206)692-7301   Silverdale,  WA
Jimby BBS       (206)698-1044   Brownsville, WA
West Coast Pyro (209)661-5355   Madera, CA
Sundial         (509)545-1789   Pasco, WA
Spokane Data    (509)747-5199   Spokane, WA
The Hideaway    (509)586-0104   Kennewick, WA
Strikezone      (509)586-6803   Kennewick, WA
FOG-Line        (515)964-7937   Des Moines, IA
Empire BBS      (516)325-0827   Eastport, NY
VAXCat          (603)424-0923   Merrimack, NH
Babble Board    (603)267-5921   Belmont, NH
Nuke-Zone       (603)474-8915   Seabrook, NH
jBBS            (619)221-0311   San Diego, CA
Starhelm        (619)479-3006   San Diego, CA

Maybe somebody has a newer list, I'm not sure how many of these are
still up.  I fergit who I got most of this info from, but thanks
anyway.

I hope this helps.

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