Date: Tue, 9 Mar 93 13:00 PST From: john%zygot.ati.com@HARVUNXW.BITNET(John Higdon) Subject: File 2--Re: Hackers in the News (CuD #5.18) Having been a guest on a Los Angeles radio talk show with a representative from Thrifty Tel, I can give you the real reason that company keeps its totally insecure five-digit access codes. The "hacker tariff" (which the CPUC approved, bypassing normal hearings, etc.) is a major profit center for the company. Thrifty Tel stays in business because of the money that it extorts from its "hacker trap", not from its third-rate reselling operation. The claim that adding a couple of digits to the access codes would inconvenience customers is utter nonsense. The calls are placed using dialers, and at 50 ms dialing rates the addition of five more digits to the code would increase the call setup time by less than one-half second. As a reseller, I would never consider using less than ten digits for an access code, which happens now to be the industry norm. But no one should be taken in by Thrifty Tel's self-righteousness. The company has no desire whatsoever to eliminate its "hacker problem". On the contrary, it is the constant supply of "new meat"--kids that have not yet heard about the infamous Thrifty Tel--that keeps the doors open on that despicable operation. I would even be willing to bet that there are many open codes that are not even assigned to customers to make it even easier for those nasty hackers to fall into the trap. While I give no quarter to people who steal computer and telephone services, I have even less respect for the Thrifty Tels of the world who exploit the problem for self-enrichment. Downloaded From P-80 International Information Systems 304-744-2253