Computer Underground Digest--Sat July 27 19:39:41 CDT 1991 (Vol #3.27) Moderators: Jim Thomas and Gordon Meyer (TK0JUT2@NIU.BITNET) Contents, #3.27 (July 27, 1991) Subject: File 1-- Response to "The Terminus of Len Rose"(1) Subject: File 2-- Response to "The Terminus of Len Rose"(2) Subject: File 3-- Response to Neidorf's "Terminus of Len Rose"(3) Subject: File 4-- chinet review Subject: File 5-- Comsec Data Security Article Corrections Subject: File 6-- Crypto-conference statement Subject: File 7-- Reasonable laws on computer crime Subject: File 8-- re: Bill Vajk's latest comments Subject: File 9--Chaos Computer Club archives at titania.mathematik.uni-ulm.de Subject: File 10--Late reply to Dutch Crackers article (CUD3.19) Administratia: ARCHIVISTS: BOB KUSUMOTO BRENDAN KEHOE BOB KRAUSE CuD is available via electronic mail at no cost. Printed copies are available by subscription. Single copies are available for the costs of reproduction and mailing. Issues of CuD can be found in the Usenet alt.society.cu-digest news group, on CompuServe in DL0 and DL4 of the IBMBBS SIG, DL1 of LAWSIG, and DL0 and DL12 of TELECOM, by FidoNet file request from 1:100/345, on Genie, on the PC-EXEC BBS at (414) 789-4210, and by anonymous ftp >from ftp.cs.widener.edu, chsun1.uchicago.edu, and dagon.acc.stolaf.edu. To use the U. of Chicago email server, send mail with the subject "help" (without the quotes) to archive-server@chsun1.uchicago.edu. COMPUTER UNDERGROUND DIGEST is an open forum dedicated to sharing information among computerists and to the presentation and debate of diverse views. CuD material may be reprinted as long as the source is cited. Some authors do copyright their material, and they should be contacted for reprint permission. It is assumed that non-personal mail to the moderators may be reprinted unless otherwise specified. Readers are encouraged to submit reasoned articles relating to the Computer Underground. Articles are preferred to short responses. Please avoid quoting previous posts unless absolutely necessary. DISCLAIMER: The views represented herein do not necessarily represent the views of the moderators. Digest contributors assume all responsibility for ensuring that articles submitted do not violate copyright protections. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Jul 1991 09:59:30 -0500 From: chris@Cinnabar (Chris Johnson) Subject: File 1--Response to "The Terminus of Len Rose" Regarding: > Computer Underground Digest--Thu Jul 18 17:22:30 CDT 1991 (Vol #3.26) > > Contents, #3.26 (June 18, 1991) > File 3: The TERMINUS of Len Rose > Regarding Craig Neidorf's article 'The TERMINUS of Len Rose' and his follow-up backing down on his position on the prosecutors involved: This sounds amazingly like law enforcement personnel have put the screws to him. Yes, it is true, people like William Cook and Tim Foley are ordinary people like you and me, with hobbies and families and all that nonsense. As anyone who stops and thinks for a moment will realize, that also means they are subject to the same human foibles of pride, self-doubt, need for recognition and so forth. It's been my experience that most trial lawyers and law enforcement officers are cocky, arrogant people with a great need for recognition and success, and the need to win, to beat the opposition. They're often hard-headed and stubborn. Now, other than what I've read about these two law enforcement men, I don't know them. But Craig's remarks "Illinois State Police and SSA Tim Foley (what is HE doing here!?) came to Len's new home..." and "Assistant U.S. Attorney William Cook in Chicago wanted a piece of the action, in part perhaps to redeem himself from his highly publicized defeat in U.S. v. Neidorf..." are particularly telling. Those remarks are particularly reflective of men who need to make a name for themselves to feel good. It all fits very well. That doesn't mean they are not in the profession because "They believe in their work like a sacred religious mission", but that perhaps they let their personal wants and needs get in the way of objective vision, just like the rest of humanity. I'm sorry, but I just don't buy "that the prosecutors and law enforcement officials in our system overall are dedicated to doing the right thing and going after offenders that they truly believe to be committing real crimes." Some are, no doubt, doing just that. Some make honest mistakes, too. But I think there are far more bad apples than Craig is willing to admit publicly. Law enforcement does not gain a universal, wide reputation as being corrupt, or abusive, or ineffectual, or whatever bad image they might hold because there is a very few bad apples. Does anyone here really believe the LA cops who beat the motorist on video tape were dedicated to doing the right thing? I think Mr. Foley and Mr. Cook let their egos get in the way, big-time. ------------------------------