Rebuttle to phrack Issue 8 and 11 (file 11)
Written by Scan Man.....

It has been requested of Taran King (Who doesnt agree with KL on this subj) to put this somewhere in the next issue of Phrack (12 or 13) for proper distribution. Whether he does or not I can not say.                                                


     Well a number of months have gone by now and I have been written about accused of and had rebuttles wriiten for me, all of which were about as clear and factual as mud. And that includes the rebuttle that Telecomputist has in effect tried to stand with me, and making matters only worse by inaccurate information. But then all of this started with inaccurate information from pwn didnt it. KL has resorted to interfering in other peoples lives inorder to promote his so called news publication. To this I say, if you are going to call it news then make it facts. I can buy the Enquirer if I want sensationalistic readership boosting and inflated gossip. You do no justice to yourself or your publication. I really shouldnt dignify any of this with comment but shall as the entire matter has been blown so far out of preportion and since I have been phreaking since these kiddies were still messing there diapers I feel it a little more than an inconvenience, particularly since these gentlemen (and I use the term losely) cant seem to accomplish anything but guesswork and conjecture and have cost me (and my wife and son) a $50,000 job so the least I can do is get a few FACTS out.

First, I was (and I stress was) employed by a company called Telecom Managment Corperation. Notice the initials of this company (TMC). Telecom Mgnt is a managment company, and a managment company manages other companies. Amoung the companies it manages are 6 TMC Long Distance markets  (none of which are in Vegas) two of which are in Charleston where I live and NY where I worked (up until two snotty nose teenagers(kl & sr)decided to stick there nose where it didnt belong). At any rate I was hired and paid by Miami, lived in Charleston, and worked in NY. And yes with regard to your "he must have been quite an asset to them" I was an asset to them. And KL you seem to think it was surprising that they flew me to NY every week, I dont,and I'm sure the other 100 businessmen on my flights who I traveled with regularly would be suprised that they carried the unique distinction of being somehow in the wrong for having there companies send them to NY every week. Ill have to tell them this one for a good laff next time I get a 50,000 doallr a yr job that sends me to NY. Moving right along I will add that I was employed as a Systems Analyst. When I was originally hired my interview was by a fellow from Miami (Telecom Mgnt) and the interview was conducted in the Chas office (one of the few times I was ever in there). This however doesnt explain why Pauline Frazier and Ben Graves knew me or didnt care for me. The reason for this was quite simple, they both knew about me and the bulletin board and had also been trying to catch me stealing  calls from there company (dont know where they ever got that idea<grin>, at any rate they obviously were quite unhappy because I got that job.

The next comment in rebut to telecomputist which was a rebut to pwn phrack issue 8 (what a nightmare), was and i quote "I calimed not to have any ties with Vegas but didnt claim not to have ties with TMC. Boy talk about factual journalism, really grabbing for straws arent you. Anything to make me look bad huh, wonder why, wouldnt be for more copy for your next issue would it. As you could see at the beginning of this rebuttle I clearly stated that Telecom Managment ran 6 TMC markets as well as other companies and that they were connected but seperate from each other. Although none of it is relavent to any of this, but that doesnt matter when you are out to get copy for your next issue does it KL. At any rate this also shows where telecomputist although trying to do a good thing got there facts mixed up too by misunderstanding the fact that Telecom Managments initials were the same as TMC and were unrelated companies when actually they are.

In you next comments you say "they rest of my statments are highly debatable"(might try looking at a few (no make that all) of your own). you also said that my statments have no proof (as if yours are so damn factual). First I dont have to prove a thing to assholes like you or anyone else for that matter. You also state your decision (as if you have the right to make any decisions about me,(shit boy you dont even know me, but you may soon) was to do nothing because of lack of proof. And you call what you came up with truth? based on what, your vast personal knowledge of me, your knowledge of something some phone phreak told you, because of having worked with me. As for providing more ammunition to the idea im not what I claim to be, I have claimed to be nothing, its you doing all the claiming. And there is no "ammunition" to be had from the Telecomputist article as it was about as accurate as yours have been. Shows you what two people who know nothing about nothing can do if they put there minds to it. I might add that this is the first and last statement I have personally written that has anything to do with any of this. You also stated that "after three months you had proof". Yet you have shown only words, not a speck of proof or truth. You have taken the telecomputist article apart and tried every way there was to tear it apart, most of which was guesswork and inuendo, examples of this are your quotes of "Gee isnt that awful expensive", "Notice how he didnt say he had no ties with TMC", "Statements were highly debatable" "Now that he has had a few months to come up with a story" etc, thats some real facts there KL, your a real journalist who deals only with facts. Your not out for gossip or character assasination. Riiiiiight. Ive just been waiting for you to put your foot in your mouth (in this case both feet). (dont worry im sure they will fit nicly)

I think Its also Time to tell the story of how all this got started. Its really a comedy of errors (only im not laffing). As I stated earlier I was paid by Miami as thats where the home office was. This meant that on occasion I also went to Miami as well as NY. In Dec of 85 I learned of a new organization being formed called the CFCA (Communications Fraud Control Association) although in addition to communications they support computer and credit security as well. Knowing that all the top security people were going to be there and being a good phone phreak on the eternal quest for inside knowledge, I wanted in on this conference which was held the 6th 7th and 8th of feb 86 in Miami. Soooooo I convinced Telecom that we should check these People out for some benefit to our company with regard to my job (Systems Analist) as after all it was my job to not only develope and operate the companies computers but keep them secure as well. So I had Had the perfect exscuse to get me in the conference. They agreed with me and went for it and paid for my flight down there and the conference fee. Moving right along, it was the 1st day into the conference when just at lunch I was talking to a guy from pac NW Bell named Larry Algard (whos name i had forgotten till Sally Ride showed up on the BBS saying Larry the Algardian had sent me a couple of weels later). At any rate while talking to this guy a security agent from one of the other LD companies that was there came up and said "arent you Scan Man, the guy that runs P-80". Needless to say I about shit, and had to come up with a damn good answer in about a 100th of a second. Knowing I was there legally with the athority of my company I answered back (in front of Larry Algard) "Yes, but unbeknownst to my members its an undercover board for TMC the company I work for. And since Telecom Management Corperations initials were TMC and they did manage 6 TMC LD companies I knew I was Safe if he decided to check me out, which I was worried about because earlier this same guy (the one that said arent you Scan Man) had made a comment about the security of the meeting and that he beleived hackers had infiltrated the meeting. At any rate I was out of the fire with this guy and everyone (about 7 others) standing around in our circle. It does however get worse. Two weeks later I got a new user on the board named Sally Ride saying "Larry The Algardian sent me" and the msg subj was titled Scott Higginbotham.  I answered the msg asking him where he got that name (Scott Higginbotham, my real name) but he thought I meant where did he get the name Larry the Algardian (see msg reprint below). His reply is as follows (actual copy of msg)

Scan Man, I got the name from an electronic memo from Sec. Mgr. Larry Algard to his boss, George Reay. Since I've access to these files via PNB's UNIX AOS I read about Algard's meeting with Scott at a CFCA Conf. in Miami. It's nice to be able to know what the other side is up to, but how did you infiltrate CFCA? I was able to infiltrate PNB Sec. thru their own system. But, to attend such a meeting of the toll carriers of the nation and learn their plans to combat us is a real coup!  Understand where I'm coming from?   Sally Ride:::Space Cadet

Now from this msg you can see two things, first that Sally Ride is a two faced little s.o.b, plus you can also see why he would think I was fed. I can almost (again I stress almost) understand why he was suspicious. This msg also points out that at least in his msgs to me he was of the opinion that I had infiltrated the conference not that his opinion about anything matters). Then on a social ladder climbing binge he turns it around to me being one of them (as if he was the only person in the world who could infiltrate something. to this I say again, I was doin this when you were still in diapers (SR). Even though I can legitimatly understand why he would think I was a fed as this at least "APPEARS" to be proof that im a fed, by that I mean if I had broken into a telco security computer and found a msg saying that so and so was running a sting board I would be prone to beleive it myself. What Sally didnt know was that I had to say that at that conference to keep from being fried myself when confronted by a security agent who recognized me. But then what are the odds of someone breaking into the very computer reading that very msg. If it were me and I was going to take this information to the phreak community I would have to state the facts, which were that he found this msg "then print msg". I would not go into the guessing that he and KL did in the original phrack article (or this last one, since the first obviously wasnt enough). But back to the point of all of this "WHAT WOULD YOU SAY STANDING IN THE MIDDLE OF 500 TOP TELCO SECURITY PEOPLE AND ONE WALKS UP AND SAYS ARENT YOU SO AND SO THAT RUNS SO AND SO BBS?  See what I meant about a comedy of errors. Do you also see why sometimes what is apperantly the truth isnt always what it appears as. Do you also see what I mean about gossip and poor journalism? This is not the first time that Sally  or KL has tried to distort facts and interfere with peoples lives, I am refering to the past David Lightman incident. Instead of belaboring this point I shall in the fashion of the great journalists (KL & SR) reprint another msg from Sally regarding this other incident in order to show what kind of individual we are dealing with (a 19 yr old who if he spent as much time hacking and phreaking as he does stretching the fatcs and butting into peoples lives might be a good phreak/hack).

From: Sally Ride

Well a couple of things..first about Phrack World News..the above mentioned article about Blade Runner and David Lightman was creditd to David Lightman and Blade Runner and someone else, maybe K.L. I really don't know either David or Blade that well, but when someone is accused of being a cop, or a phone cop, or whatever I see no reason to keep that a secret from the phreak-world. Everyone is able to make their own conclusions based on the information provided and considering the sources. Finally, and I hope this ends all discussion about this on the "Elite" section of this BBS, is that what is allowed for discussion here? Really, character assasination should be kept to the War Room of some other K-Rad luzer BBS. Secondly, thanks to all who kept me up to date on the status of the BBS's that had suddenly dropped out of sight all for separate unrelated reasons. I found The Twilight Zone, now the Septic Tank, it's back at 203-572-0015, old accounts intact. Taran King's Metal Shop Private should be back up within hours of this message, see PWN 6 for the details. And Stronghold East is still down as far as I know, should be back around 7/1. Broadway's always been wierd but turning informant? Will wonders never cease? And, TUC has a board again? And, here I thought he was a "Security Consultant", per W.57th St. Who knows who's side who is on?  Scan Man, here's news from your neck of the woods. A company named Advanced Informantion Management Inc. run by Robert Campbell. The June 23rd issue of Communications Week says this guy and his 17 consultants are all over the BBS world. They are based in Woodbridge, VA. Know anything about them? Sound like some more narcs to worry about.  What is the true story on Ralph Meola? PWN6 says he's the head of AT&T Security. Has anyone ever heard of him before?             Sally Ride:::Space Cadet

I beleive your words were character assasinations should be kept on some k-rad Luzer war board (try taking some of your own advice, or is it different when its your friend). you also made the statement that everone should be able to make there own decisions based on the sources. In my case its two guys that dont know me or really anything about me (KL&SR). Did anyone also notice Sallys tendency toward a persecution complex, everone he mentioned in the msg is thought to be a phone cop. I mean really take a good look at that msg, its quite obvious this boy is playing god and deciding who is and isnt on whos side (Your not the only one who saves msgs). Hes either attacked or defended (mostly attacked or insinuated) about 5 people in one msg of being the bad ole phone cop). Who set you two up as judge and jury. As to how I feel about it ill use an old saying with a new twist "If you want to here the juke box you damn well better have a quarter" better known as "pay the piper". Does it sound like im upset, I mean how would you feel if you had trouble keeping your family feed, heated, and housed because some asshole that just hit puberty stuck there nose into your life. Tell your son no he cant go skating because you dont have the money because........etc.....Also I might add that a number of us old guard who were phreaking before there were computers and bbs's such as my old friend Joe Engressia (secrets of little blue box, Esquire 71)(avail P-80) and others have done actual security work (not busting heads) defeating security systems on new payphones (test before marketing) etc for yrs, I dont see anyone jumping up and yelling phone cop on these guys. People who are admited security people who also claim to be phreaks are ignored. So why all the stink with me. In closing I would like to say that I have little doubt that in there usual fashion KL and or SR will attempt to go over every word I have typed looking for more SO CALLED FACTS, any way you try to reword it will only be more twisting and supposition. Sooo be my guest you will get no more comments from me. The next time either of you two here from me you better have your Quarter for the jukebox cause it will be time to pay the piper.

Ps. KL do me a favor and call my board and let me know whether you will be at this phreak conf in St Louis, if so I recommend old cloths, and clean underware.


(oh yes and a quarter)

Scan Man (3-10-87)
                                  
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